Can the Dubs do the double

Mike...

So from 2000 - 2009 Dublin failed to win an All Ireland at Senior level Football,
Does anyone think they can repeat this feat again during 2010 - 2019?
From the never ending hype on rte and the papers they were due to win it in 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004.... and so on, And if they manage not to win one over the next 10 years will Rte et all keep up this stupid charade of touting the Dubs as "this seasons favorites" every bloody season?

Spiritoftheseventies

I reckon they will win it in 2013. 1977 1983 1995. Get the pattern?

howiya

We'll win it at some stage hopefully. Not in the next couple of years anyhow.

The hype is nothing to do with Dublin and is largely based on other people's obsession with Dublin as evidenced by you creating this thread

whadabouchasir

Mike... wrote: »

And if they manage not to win one over the next 10 years will Rte et all keep up this stupid charade of touting the Dubs as "this seasons favorites" every bloody season?

This is mainly because they walked through Leinster in the last few years.honestly they would have been as well off sitting at home playing the xbox.then they get hammered later on.I think Leinster will improve in the next few years as Meath,Kildare and Wicklow are on the up.This means that the Leinster championship will actually be worth something and an accurate measure of success and ability.

Spiritoftheseventies

Think Dublin will struggle for awhile seeing they are in rebuilding process. No Whelan No Ryan and a few more to go besides that. Still there is hope for the hurlers

Bugnug

whadabouchasir wrote: »

This is mainly because they walked through Leinster in the last few years.honestly they would have been as well off sitting at home playing the xbox.then they get hammered later on.I think Leinster will improve in the next few years as Meath,Kildare and Wicklow are on the up.This means that the Leinster championship will actually be worth something and an accurate measure of success and ability.

Nothing to do with walking through Leinster. They simply are no where near as talented a footballers as Kerry, Tyrone or Cork. Hugely over rated and over hyped every year. But thats how the GAA want it so they can fill croker as often as possible. Winning Leinster or any provincial championship means absolutley nothing anymore. Look at Meath they went further than Dublin. Kerry have won a number of all Irelands without winning munster. The GAA seriously need to restructure the entire season with some kind of league system culminating in a knock out stage something like the Magners league. The GAA need to get their act together as they are loosing serious ground to other sports in Ireland.

Mossy Monk

howiya wrote: »

The hype is nothing to do with Dublin and is largely based on other people's obsession with Dublin as evidenced by you creating this thread

It is the national media that hypes them up.

Spiritoftheseventies

Bugnug wrote: »

Nothing to do with walking through Leinster. They simply are no where near as talented a footballers as Kerry, Tyrone or Cork. Hugely over rated and over hyped every year. But thats how the GAA want it so they can fill croker as often as possible. Winning Leinster or any provincial championship means absolutley nothing anymore. Look at Meath they went further than Dublin. Kerry have won a number of all Irelands without winning munster. The GAA seriously need to restructure the entire season with some kind of league system culminating in a knock out stage something like the Magners league. The GAA need to get their act together as they are loosing serious ground to other sports in Ireland.

Well to be fair Meath went further than Dublin because they had an easy enough draw in the back door qualifiers.
Dublin will fill Croker again this summer but expect the hurlers to make ground in the next season or two. Losing Ross O Carroll was a bit of a blow but hurlers have some quality players

Bugnug

bayviewclose wrote: »

Well to be fair Meath went further than Dublin because they had an easy enough draw in the back door qualifiers.
Dublin will fill Croker again this summer but expect the hurlers to make ground in the next season or two. Losing Ross O Carroll was a bit of a blow but hurlers have some quality players

I was using that as an example for why the the provincials no longer matter.

The two teams to watch in Leinster for the next 5 or 6 years wil be Kildare and Meath. Young very talented sides. Dublin wont be heard of for a least another 4 years.

Spiritoftheseventies

Bugnug wrote: »

I was using that as an example for why the the provincials no longer matter.

The two teams to watch in Leinster for the next 5 or 6 years wil be Kildare and Meath. Young very talented sides. Dublin wont be heard of for a least another 4 years.

Yeah Kildare I think are the team to watch out for in Leinster. Very impressive last year. McGeeney has done a good job there.

Pride Fighter

We will win Liam before winning Sam.

Marse

Bugnug wrote: »

I was using that as an example for why the the provincials no longer matter.

The two teams to watch in Leinster for the next 5 or 6 years wil be Kildare and Meath. Young very talented sides. Dublin wont be heard of for a least another 4 years.

Dublin will win Leinster again this year.

Bugnug

Marse wrote: »

Dublin will win Leinster again this year.

Even if they did, so what, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

howiya

Mossy Monk wrote: »

It is the national media that hypes them up.

so you agree with my point then

Mike...

howiya wrote: »

so you agree with my point then

I do but it is this media created hype which makes any defeat they suffer very enjoyable for the rest of the country.

Spiritoftheseventies

Mike... wrote: »

I do but it is this media created hype which makes any defeat they suffer very enjoyable for the rest of the country.

Well we'll cross that bridge we come to it.

Flukey

Weather-permitting, we'll get to see the hurlers and footballers in the Blue Stars matches on Sunday. Dublin can't lose there! They are guaranteed a double, barring draws.

Het-Field

Mike... wrote: »

So from 2000 - 2009 Dublin failed to win an All Ireland at Senior level Football,
Does anyone think they can repeat this feat again during 2010 - 2019?
From the never ending hype on rte and the papers they were due to win it in 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004.... and so on, And if they manage not to win one over the next 10 years will Rte et all keep up this stupid charade of touting the Dubs as "this seasons favorites" every bloody season?

Another serious thread, which the OP spoils by displaying a clear chip on his shoulder. There was no hype until August 2002, and 2007-2009 the machine went into overdrive. However, it wasnt a decade chock full of Dublin hype. Dublin were considered to be behind a variety of counties between 2000-2002. I dont recall any media hype then, save for the media friendly two game blitz in Thurlas against Kerry in 2001. A changed Dublin team wont the admiration of various media outlets in 2002, however that changed between 2003-2005 when Dublin were poor. I agree that between 2007 and 2009 the media did hype Dublin, however, it wasnt a decade of hype as the OP would suggest

On a serious note, I dont believe Dublin have the ability to take both. Dublin's football team needs a serious reconstruction as it moves forward into the new decade. Plays like the O Carroll brothers, Cian O Sullivan, Kevin Nolan, Mark Davoren, Mark Vaughan, Eamonn Fennell, Declan O Mahoney, Brendan McManamon will all need time to bed in, while players like Ger Brennan and Paul Flynn still have a large amount of maturing to do. Also, Gilroy needs to define a role for Bryan Cullen and Bernard Brogan. Is the former a half forward or a half back, and is the latter worth of the full forward shirt ?

Furthermore, Gilroy will need to build a squad of players, while dispencing with the likes of Casey, O Shaughnessy, Bonner, Lally, McConnell, Sherlock and Connolly, while mitigating for the loss of Whelan (which apparently is not a done deal as far as the management is concerned) and Ryan. He will also need to deal with the poor mindset of lads like Darren McGee, who has never shown a true desire to become a powerhouse of Dublin GAA

I think the O Byrne cup will tell us little. However, for the early games of the league, I would like to see some experimentation

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B.Brogan

I would keep some of the experienced players around for moral support, however, i would weed them out as time goes by, and new players come into their own.

Mike...

I have a chip on my shoulder from the intense build ups, It is wall to wall Blue for days nay weeks before games, If that wasn't the case I would actually enjoy watching a good solid performance by Dublin.

howiya

Mike... wrote: »

I do but it is this media created hype which makes any defeat they suffer very enjoyable for the rest of the country.

Well whatever helps you pass the time of day. Personally I think it's quite pathetic.

Hardly Dublin's fault they're in the papers so much. Maybe Breheny should write about his own county a bit more. But if you don't like the coverage don't read it. Maybe then you would be less bitter

howiya

Flukey wrote: »

Weather-permitting, we'll get to see the hurlers and footballers in the Blue Stars matches on Sunday. Dublin can't lose there! They are guaranteed a double, barring draws.

Looking forward to this. Hope it goes ahead. Always a good day out

dcr22B

howiya wrote: »

Looking forward to this. Hope it goes ahead. Always a good day out

Have a feeling that it won't go ahead as the weather prospects don't seem to be improving as the week goes on.

As for the OP, you might want to take a look at that chip on your shoulder and ask the media why they don't focus on your team.

Any serious Dublin fan will admit that we're sick of the overanalysis by the national media of our annual prospects but we know from attending all the matches that the reality doesn't match the hype.

anbrutog

Anyone know how Daveron's injury is coming along?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Look its obvious, Dublin are always going to be hyped and given more coverage than most counties because most of the national media in this country, not to mention a quarter of the population, is based there.

I personally don't think the Dubs will do it for another couple of years, a serious revamp is in order first. There's definately enough talent in the county.

Pride Fighter

dcr22B wrote: »

Have a feeling that it won't go ahead as the weather prospects don't seem to be improving as the week goes on.

As for the OP, you might want to take a look at that chip on your shoulder and ask the media why they don't focus on your team.

Any serious Dublin fan will admit that we're sick of the overanalysis by the national media of our annual prospects but we know from attending all the matches that the reality doesn't match the hype.

They could have it in UCD on the all weather GAA pitch. Is this on in some far northside club again? I cant cycle out that way

dcr22B

Pride Fighter wrote: »

They could have it in UCD on the all weather GAA pitch. Is this on in some far northside club again? I cant cycle out that way

It is due to be played in Fingallians ground out in Swords.

Pride Fighter

dcr22B wrote: »

It is due to be played in Fingallians ground out in Swords.

Its always on the Northside. When is it coming to a southside GAA club near me:)

howiya

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Its always on the Northside. When is it coming to a southside GAA club near me:)

Think Thomas Davis was last time it was on southside. Good few years ago now

dcr22B

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Its always on the Northside. When is it coming to a southside GAA club near me:)

There's a free shuttle bus operating between Malahide DART station and the ground if you're interested.

dcr22B

http://www.hill16.ie/viewstoryhill16.asp?id=11961&mainheading=Word+on+The+Hill&viewstory=yes

Flynn at midfield on home ground in Dubs Stars duel

Paul Flynn will line out for Dublin on his home pitch alongside Eamon Fennell in the annual Evening Herald/Dublin Bus Dubs Stars clash at Fingallians this Sunday (4.0).
James McCarthy, son of 70s Dubs hero John, is named at wing-back while Dean Rock, son of another Dublin legend Barney, has been selected at top of the right.
Kilmacud Crokes senior football team will be in New York for the New Year thereby depriving both sides of several playing options. Those that were selected on the Dubs Stars team will be replaced by those awarded replacement Dubs Stars.

DUBLIN (SF v Evening Herald/Dubs Stars) - Michael Savage (St Vincent’s); Paul Conlon (St Vincent’s), Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge St), Conor McCormack (St Mary’s, Saggart); Paul Casey (Lucan Sarsfields), Ger Brennan (St Vincent’s), James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams); Eamon Fennell (O’Toole’s), Paul Flynn (Fingallians); Brian Courtney (Na Fianna), Shane McGrath (Thomas Davis), Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens); Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams), Eoghan O’Gara (Templeogue Synge St), Tomás Quinn (St Vincent’s).
Subs: Stephen Cluxton (Parnells), Hugh Gill (St Vincent’s), Nicky Devereaux (Ballinteer St John’s), Diarmuid Connolly (St Vincent’s), Gerry Seaver (Ballyboughal), James Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett’s/Eoghan Ruadh), Brian Sexton (St Sylvester’s), Dean Kelly (Trinity Gaels), Colm Murphy (St Jude’s), Ciarán Farrell (Fingallians), Alan Hubbard (Ballymun Kickhams).
DUBS STARS (SF v Dublin) - David Nestor (Kilmacud Crokes); Philip McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams), Ian Clarke (Ballyboden St Enda’s), Chris Guckian (St Jude’s); Darragh Nelson (Ballyboden St Enda’s), Niall O’Shea (St Judes), Michael Brides (St Oliver Plunkett’s/Eoghan Ruadh); Michael Darragh MacAuley (Ballyboden St Enda’s), Andy Glover (St Judes); Adrian Morrissey (Kilmacud Crokes), Conal Keaney(Ballyboden St Enda’s), Blaine Kelly (St Mary’s, Saggart); Andrew Kerin (Ballyboden St Enda’s), Kenny Naughton(Ballyboden St Enda’s), Kevin McManamon (St Jude’s).
Subs: Daire Walsh (Ballyboden St Enda’s), Seán Breheny (St Jude’s), Paul Griffin (Kilmacud Crokes), Seán Murray (St Brigid’s), Declan O’Mahony (Ballyboden St Enda’s), David Henry (Raheny), Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett’s/Eoghan Ruadh).

Evening Herald/Dublin Bus Dubs Stars
Venue: Lawless Memorial Park, Fingallians, Swords.
Date: Sunday, January 3.
Hurling: Dubs Stars v Dublin, 2.0.
Official opening of the new facilities will be performed by the GAA president Christy Cooney, 3.30.
Football: Dubs Stars v Dublin, 4.0.
Dublin Bus will operate a free service on the day from Malahide DART station to Fingallians club with return buses to Malahide DART station after both games.

Flukey

Dublin need to be trying to win the league. Yes, they need to experiment and give some new guys a bit of experience, but what they really should be getting experience of is of winning matches. That's the kind of experience that will come in very handy once we get into July and August. You'll find most of the teams at the business end of the championship are also at the business end of the league and at those two business ends, it is often the same team that clinches the deal. It works for the likes of Kerry and Tyrone, and the likes of the Kilkenny hurlers to. They experiment with new players and give them experience in the league, but they also try to come out at the other end with the silverware. That's what Dublin should be doing.

Het-Field

Flukey wrote: »

Dublin need to be trying to win the league. Yes, they need to experiment and give some new guys a bit of experience, but what they really should be getting experience of is of winning matches. That's the kind of experience that will come in very handy once we get into July and August. You'll find most of the teams at the business end of the championship are also at the business end of the league and at those two business ends, it is often the same team that clinches the deal. It works for the likes of Kerry and Tyrone, and the likes of the Kilkenny hurlers to. They experiment with new players and give them experience in the league, but they also try to come out at the other end with the silverware. That's what Dublin should be doing.

The difference between the Dubs and Kerry and Tyrone is stability. Dubiln played a flawed system last term. Is Denis Bastick the answer to our long term search for a full back ? Would you be willing to continue with McGee and McConnell in the center of midfield ? I would hope that you would answer in the negative. As such we need to see development in both those key areas.

Dublin football has been far too transient in nature to expect a league win. Furthermore, even with the players at Gilroy's disposal, and the system he has set, it is unlikely that success would be forthcoming. We struggled badly in the league, and without the likes of Bryan Cullen,Shane Ryan, and Ciran Whelan intervening, I doubt we would have taken Leinster at all.

Marse

Bugnug wrote: »

Even if they did, so what, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

It means they'll be around in the next four years. You did just stand on a limb and say they wouldn't.

Mullet

Mike... wrote: »

I have a chip on my shoulder from the intense build ups, It is wall to wall Blue for days nay weeks before games, If that wasn't the case I would actually enjoy watching a good solid performance by Dublin.

Dublin fans including myself do not create the hype its the media and people like you that create these threads "its only the 2nd of January" The next time you read an article in the national media about dublin hurling/football why not check out who the Journalist is and were he/she is from you will be surprised to see hat most are from outside of dublin and are just playing to the crowd.

Mullet

Pride Fighter wrote: »

They could have it in UCD on the all weather GAA pitch. Is this on in some far northside club again? I cant cycle out that way

We do have public transport on the Northside and swords is not out in the sticks

blackbelt

Mullet wrote: »

Dublin fans including myself do not create the hype its the media and people like you that create these threads "its only the 2nd of January" The next time you read an article in the national media about dublin hurling/football why not check out who the Journalist is and were he/she is from you will be surprised to see hat most are from outside of dublin and are just playing to the crowd.

Absolutely.I don't understand the media attention at all.Wha have Dublin done since 2007 to deserve all this coverage?...nothing.We have been playing sub-standard football since the 2008 season even in Pillars last year.We had a very good season in 2007 and had the team learned to rally at the right time,could have pipped Kerry.That was followed in 2008 by winning the O Byrne Cup thrashing Wicklow and Westmeath and then only overcoming Carlow after a replay and then rescuing the O Byrne Cup from a fired up Longford team thanks to the old guard Jayo.

We were never a league team in the 90s and 00s and that told when we squeeked past teams like Westmeath,Meath while losing to a crippled and useless Armagh side.We then beat Louth and squeeze past Westmeath before demolishing Wexford and then we got thrashed by a real team that was able to unlock our weaknesses and expose them.

2009 was a dreadful year.Management basically p1ssed the O Byrne Cup away when we lost to Wicklow with out under 21s on the pitch while the week before there was good players on the pitch in Tullamore that comfortable beat an experienced Offaly side with Ciaran McManus in it.

Our league campaign was crap.It started off with an encouraging display against Tyrone but the loss to Galway and Derry was horrific.Apart from Hubbard and Bastic,we never got to season any new players from early in the year.McConnell is not working out at midfield and Magee isn't realising his potential hich is no use to us.Half of the old guard are gone and these were the players that were being subbed on to rescue situations.Players like Whelan and Cullen.

It will take a few more years for Dublin to be taken seriously again unless you are the Independent or The Times hyping the team up after another Leinster win.Gilroy will get hammered for more poor performances.He handled Ryan and Jayo badly and this is unforgiveable but I see why he is on the look out for new players and rebuilding.Things need to be freshened up for us to have a chance in the future and the DCB have the confidence Gilroy is doing the right thing.

So OP,I suggest you look at your own county and be more concerned about that.We'll worry about ourselves thank you very much.

The fact remains that Dublin are Leinster kingpins and peak in July in Leinster Finals

blackbelt

Mullet wrote: »

We do have public transport on the Northside and swords is not out in the sticks

Somebody better bring an oxygen tank and a spare stab proof vest for Flukey.:)

Spiritoftheseventies

howiya wrote: »

Think Thomas Davis was last time it was on southside. Good few years ago now

How about letting Crokes stage it. They do a terrific job with the All Ireland sevens every year. And their facilities are terrifc.

Mullet

The Bluestars games are currently still on as the pitch has passed inspection. See link to Fingalians website. Update at 10am in the Morning.

http://www.fingallians.ie/news_det.php?code=304&cate=1

Flukey

blackbelt wrote: »

Somebody better bring an oxygen tank and a spare stab proof vest for Flukey.:)

As you well know, I am not afraid of heading north of the Liffey, and I've seen you more often there than on the southside. I intend to be there. I've also made it a priority for tomorrow, which last I heard is not the case for yourself.

If any other Boardsies are going, it is likely we'll head for the warmth of a local hostelry afterwards, or just the club bar. It would be good to meet a few more of you. If you plan going, you can PM me. We can discuss Blackbelt's standard of refereeing in his absence. I'm sure we'll discuss Dublin issues too. It could be blue skies there, but we know it won't be sunshine fans in attendance, so we are guaranteed some good discussions. Even if you can't go tomorrow, there are league games to come and before that Dublin v Wexford in the O'Byrne Cup on Sunday the 10th of January. Maybe we'll meet at some stage.

Flukey

Confirmed. The Blue Stars games are on:

Blue Stars matches go ahead.

blackbelt

Flukey wrote: »

As you well know, I am not afraid of heading north of the Liffey, and I've seen you more often there than on the southside. I intend to be there. I've also made it a priority for tomorrow, which last I heard is not the case for yourself.

If any other Boardsies are going, it is likely we'll head for the warmth of a local hostelry afterwards, or just the club bar. It would be good to meet a few more of you. If you plan going, you can PM me. We can discuss Blackbelt's standard of refereeing in his absence. I'm sure we'll discuss Dublin issues too. It could be blue skies there, but we know it won't be sunshine fans in attendance, so we are guaranteed some good discussions. Even if you can't go tomorrow, there are league games to come and before that Dublin v Wexford in the O'Byrne Cup on Sunday the 10th of January. Maybe we'll meet at some stage.

And you'll see one more time today as I AM going.:) Yes and should I have given it a miss,I am still a real Dub.

Now,you know you are only bitter as when you have seen me referee it was when Kilmacud Crokes lost (some things never change ).:D Thank God you didn't turn up to that minor final I refereed.;) ....oh **** I let the cat out of the bag.

Where were you that particular day?You had no excuse,it was on the southside.:D:D:D

Flukey

This southsider arrived long before his northside mates got there.:) As to what we saw, it was much like how things left off last year: A good performance by the hurlers and a poorer one by the footballers. Well that is our first day of matches over. The GAA year has begun.

Spiritoftheseventies

Liked the ideal of the square ball goal. Could this be the proverbial bone we need thrown at us in our quest for Sam?

Flukey

It seemed to work ok, though protection of goalkeepers will be an issue. I was glad to see that they players had the good sense to keep the ball moving and not use that ridiculous mark rule. That is the way it should be.

It was a little annoying that the Parnell Pass was not accepted this year for entry. :mad: I told the guy I had to pay on the way in that it was the first time that I've had my Parnell Pass refused at a Blue Stars match, which is true. I didn't mention that it is only the second year I've had the pass.:) Nevertheless, it was accepted last year and should have been again.

Spiritoftheseventies

Flukey wrote: »

It seemed to work ok, though protection of goalkeepers will be an issue. I was glad to see that they players had the good sense to keep the ball moving and not use that ridiculous mark rule. That is the way it should be.

It was a little annoying that the Parnell Pass was not accepted this year for entry. :mad: I told the guy I had to pay on the way in that it was the first time that I've had my Parnell Pass refused at a Blue Stars match, which is true. I didn't mention that it is only the second year I've had the pass.:) Nevertheless, it was accepted last year and should have been again.

Would not have made much sense to make the mark on hard ground. Dont think its a good ideal anyway as it just stops the flow of the game and will turn people away. But would definitely keep the square ball rule
As far as keeper goes if you play the ball and not the keeper goal would be allowed to stand i would assume.

Paddyontherun

Flukey wrote: »

It seemed to work ok, though protection of goalkeepers will be an issue. I was glad to see that they players had the good sense to keep the ball moving and not use that ridiculous mark rule. That is the way it should be.

It was a little annoying that the Parnell Pass was not accepted this year for entry. :mad: I told the guy I had to pay on the way in that it was the first time that I've had my Parnell Pass refused at a Blue Stars match, which is true. I didn't mention that it is only the second year I've had the pass.:) Nevertheless, it was accepted last year and should have been again.

You were spoilt last year by our hospitality in Naomh Barrog

Mullet

Paddyontherun wrote: »

You were spoilt last year by our hospitality in Naomh Barrog

It was Baltic in Naomh Barrog last year too . Flukey i Think we are due a visit southside next year. We could start a petition.

Spiritoftheseventies

Mullet wrote: »

It was Baltic in Naomh Barrog last year too . Flukey i Think we are due a visit southside next year. We could start a petition.

while we are On the subject anyone have a favourite venue for the Bluestars?

blackbelt

bayviewclose wrote: »

while we are On the subject anyone have a favourite venue for the Bluestars?

My club St Vincents is ideal.:D

I think the Bluestars would be best played though in St Annes in Clontarfs ground.They could cordon the pitch off and Clontarf have good facilities.

Other clubs on the Northside worthy of a Blue Stars game are Trinity Gaels,St Brigids and O Tooles.

Flukey

Mullet wrote: »

It was Baltic in Naomh Barrog last year too . Flukey i Think we are due a visit southside next year. We could start a petition.

Good idea, but... would Blackbelt know how to get to the southside? :rolleyes: