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Is country living environmentally irresponsible?

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    #32
    robtri
    Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    Del2005 wrote: »
    If you bothered to look at all these buses, Luases and trains at peak times you'll notice that they are all full and some dangerously overloaded. A lot of people sitting in their cars are coming into the city to work/shop are from rural areas. Which leads us to setting up a proper park and ride system.

    can you back up that comment, that a lot of people are coming from rural area's to dublin to work.....
    i think you would be wrong in that most people working in dublin are from dublin or other urban area's.......
    the point being keeping on topic with the op.... CURRENTLY we have **** infrastucture in large urban area's and as a result this is causing the majority of commuters to continue to use their cars as a means of transport, resulting in the massive traffic jams every day... resulting in very high pollution levels.......


    Del2005 wrote: »
    We have very few big SUV's in this country. What most people are driving is a glorified estate which does slightly less MPG then the car it's based on.

    really???????
    i will give you that the SUV's arent as big or as gas guzzling as other places like the US, but they do emit high quanitities of Co2....

    so most SUV's here are based on cars??? care to list the top ten sold SUV's and the car the are based on.......
    try looking at co2 emmissions for SUV's such as Audi Q7, BMW X5, VW tourareg.... and so on..

    Del2005 wrote: »
    Take off them rose tinted glasses. We have litter black spots everywhere not just in or close to urban areas.
    If you actually bother to read my comments.... there is nothing rose tinted about them... yes we have litter black spots all over the country, just the reallybad ones are generally in Urban area's...... look up the litter leagues... ...


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    #33
    djpbarry
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    robtri wrote: »
    CURRENTLY we have **** infrastucture in large urban area's and as a result this is causing the majority of commuters to continue to use their cars as a means of transport, resulting in the massive traffic jams every day...
    I don't think it's quite as simple as that - a large number of those car journeys are totally unnecessary.


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    #34
    robtri
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    I don't think it's quite as simple as that - a large number of those car journeys are totally unnecessary.

    i agree, a lot of journeys are unneccessary, and only compund the problem.


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    #35
    Mahatma coat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    djpbarry wrote: »
    I don't think it's quite as simple as that - a large number of those car journeys are totally unnecessary.

    Eh, Stall the ball one goddammed second here, Who are you, that decides arbitrarily, whether a journey is 'neccessary' or not???


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    #36
    djpbarry
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    Eh, Stall the ball one goddammed second here, Who are you, that decides arbitrarily, whether a journey is 'neccessary' or not???
    I didn’t say ‘journey’, I said ‘car journey’; far too many people are overly-reliant on their cars for travelling short distances and surveys from the DTO support this. For example, a 2007 survey found that 40% of car owners don’t consider any travel options other than the car, 27% of all respondents said the car is preferable for short journeys of a mile or less, while 47% of all car owners take their car on these short journeys. A second 2007 survey found that half of all primary schoolchildren in Dublin and surrounding counties were driven to school every day, even though 55% of respondents travelled 2km or less to their school. Such a heavy reliance on private cars is totally unsustainable.


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    #37
    Sapsorrow
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    A second 2007 survey found that half of all primary schoolchildren in Dublin and surrounding counties were driven to school every day, even though 55% of respondents travelled 2km or less to their school.

    :eek: Thats a disgrace, when I was growing up you were lucky to get a lift in a tractor bucket in the p*ssing rain! And we had to cycle 5 miles to secondary school every day rain or shine and EVERYONE did it!
    No wonder kids are getting so obese what with all the crap food to compound the problem.


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    #38
    Mahatma coat
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    how many more people drop their kids off on the way to work than when we were kids ?


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    #39
    RedPlanet
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    I couldn't agree more with the OP.
    Here's an article written by a tree-hugger with an ideal of self-sufficiency.
    After spending a decade out in the country along with other self-sufficiency buffs, they packed it in and moved back to a city.
    http://www.energybulletin.net/node/3757
    The Big Rural Footprint

    I had always assumed that cities would be the worst place to be in bad times. I’m revising my opinion. Granted, Portland is an exceptional city. (Shhhh! Don’t tell anyone!) But I can’t help comparing this neighborhood to our old one. There, we were twelve families on two miles of road, driveways hundreds of feet long, all served by long runs of phone and electric wire, individual septic systems and wells, each commuting long distances.

    In the city, an equal group of twelve families use 10% of the road, wire, and pipe needed in my old neighborhood. Many neighbors bus or bike to work, or at worst, drive single-digit mileages.

    This is not the place to go deeply into the question of whether cities are more sustainable than contemporary American country life, but at each point where I delve into the issues, I find suggestions that
    urbanites have a smaller ecological footprint per capita    .

    Urbanites Have Smaller Carbon Footprints
    http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/environment/May-June-08/Urbanites-Have-Smaller-Carbon-Footprints.html


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    #40
    boomshackala
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    +1
    However villiage to large town living, that's another thing
    But big cities are probably not sustainable


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    #41
    RedPlanet
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    The city of Havana (pop 2.4m) is pretty much writing the book on this.
    Urban gardening is the future.
    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/04/0080501
    (long article)

    If you believe in Peak Oil, Life After Oil and a low energy future.


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    #42
    boomshackala
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    Agreed too. Cuba and the Soviet Union survived collapsing economies with a relative tolerable level of misery. They had the benefit of socialist systems though. Try ask an american who has just been foreclosed and living in a tent city if they have been allocated a decent garden. Dimitri Orlov has plenty to say on the matter, great read if you can spare he time

    Dublin is not actually too bad for green space it seems


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