"Terrorist Airliner Explosion": May have Just been a faulty device battery

Run_to_da_hills

According to this media report the recent explosion on board a Northwest A330 could well have been a battery from a PED (Personal Electronic Device) Netbook, PDA, etc. The guy was also Nigerian student and would have passed through very strict security at Schiphol.

We have heard of recalls from Sony and Nokia over faulty lithium Ion batteries and the effects of this type of explosion can be demonstrated in this video

This is not the first time we have heard of this type of paranoia.by the US authorities and media and it seems to be getting more frequent.Just last year an Indian doctor was arrested, detained and fined $2500 because he wanted to have a p*iss when the captain was out of the flight deck

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-374564

galwayrush

I thought he had some explosives wrapped around his leg..

Biggins

galwayrush wrote: »

I thought he had some explosives wrapped around his leg..

As far and I know, thats correct - or at least it was somewhere on his body.

A quote from todays New York Times - which I trust more than the likes of the British Sun any day and their hit and miss reporting:

The affidavit said the device contained PETN, also known as pentaerythritol, a highly explosive substance that was used in 2001 by Richard C. Reid, the so-called shoe bomber whose attempt to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight was also thwarted. Officials said analysis of the remnants of Mr. Abdulmutallab’s device was being carried out by the F.B.I. laboratory, but it was possible that had the chemical mixture detonated, it might have brought down the aircraft.

Here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27terror.html?_r=1&hp

mike65

Run_to_da_hills doesn't do facts.

partyatmygaff

mike65 wrote: »

Run_to_da_hills doesn't do facts.

Its a well known fact he's trying to prepare a good portfolio for his dream job as a journalist......



For the Sun that is.

Run_to_da_hills

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Its a well known fact he's trying to prepare a good portfolio for his dream job as a journalist......

For the Sun that is.

As long as its not TV3.

D-Generate

Another case of RTDH disputing the actual truth for a less believable form of truth that involves some conspiracy or something like that. He would do well to adhere to Occams Razor.

I hate these bombing *****. Not the fact that they bomb stuff, more the fact that they make air travel **** for the rest of us. There is talks now that passengers are going to have to sit down for the remaining 1 hour of flights from other countries in to the US. Crazy!

Dave!

Vintage RTDH

yawn

o1s1n

D-Generate wrote: »

There is talks now that passengers are going to have to sit down for the remaining 1 hour of flights from other countries in to the US. Crazy!

Yay!

DVTs for some, miniature American flags for others.

:mad:

Run_to_da_hills

D-Generate wrote: »

Another case of RTDH disputing the actual truth for a less believable form of truth that involves some conspiracy or something like that. He would do well to adhere to Occams Razor.

I hate these bombing *****. Not the fact that they bomb stuff, more the fact that they make air travel **** for the rest of us. There is talks now that passengers are going to have to sit down for the remaining 1 hour of flights from other countries in to the US. Crazy!

I am well aware of these restrictions and we can expect to see a lot more of them in time to come. In US airspace its illegal to stand up or move within the cabin when the captain leaves the cockpit to use the toilet. With each security breach they impose more restrictions. Some are necessary others are just simple paranoia.

It will come to the stage when people will just want to avoid air trave because of all the security hassles.

partyatmygaff

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I am well aware of these restrictions and we can expect to see a lot more of them to come. In US airspace its illegal to stand up or move the cabin when a captain leaves the cockpit to use the toilet. With each security breach they impose more restrictions. Some are necessary others are just simple paranoia.

It will come to the stage when people will just want to avoid air trave to avoid all the hassle.

I guess having to sit down on a plane for a few hours is too much hassle. A month long boat journey is the way forward.

Run_to_da_hills

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I guess having to sit down on a plane for a few hours is too much hassle. A month long boat journey is the way forward.

It dosen't take a month to cross the English channel. :rolleyes:

philologos

It appears that Islamic extremism has defined the noughties to a certain degree from close to the beginning right up to the end.

On a lighter note, now we'll probably be asked to perform a short Irish jig each before entering through airport security to make sure we've got nothing on us

It appears that people will always try and find a way to get past airport security, the more important question is really why do these people find the need to do such things, and how can we prevent this ambition?

Run_to_da_hills

Another thing that must be questioned, why did this guy try to explode a device on final landing approach rather than in mid air when oxygen levels would have been at its highest inside the cabin?

Mmcd

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Another thing that must be questioned, why did this guy try to explode a device on final landing approach rather than in mid air when oxygen levels would have been at its highest inside the cabin?

Building up the suspense for when a movie is made out of it!

galwayrush

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Another thing that must be questioned, why did this guy try to explode a device on final landing approach rather than in mid air when oxygen levels would have been at its highest inside the cabin?

Probably didn't read the instructions.:rolleyes:

Dave!

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Another thing that must be questioned, why did this guy try to explode a device on final landing approach rather than in mid air when oxygen levels would have been at its highest inside the cabin?

He wasn't aware that oxygen levels vary during the flight?

Biggins

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Another thing that must be questioned, why did this guy try to explode a device on final landing approach rather than in mid air when oxygen levels would have been at its highest inside the cabin?

Debatable but one reason might be that the higher up the plane the probability that the parts of the plane when it MIGHT have exploded, would have spread all over the place, not be as localised and of less damaging effect to that on the ground.

Lower down and closer to actual individual monuments, buildings and people etc, make more spectacular news had they been damaged, destroyed. Further more if you hear a bang up in the sky miles up, after your initial glance upwards, upon seeing (hopefully) falling material and their direction towards you, survival instinct would kick in and you'd go seek shelter.
Exploding a possible bomb closer to the ground but just high enough to have a balanced effect - maximum damage done for the least amount of effort and just wide enough area - lessens the reaction time and the ability to take cover.

Seachmall

Biggins wrote: »

Lower down and closer to actual individual monuments, buildings and people etc, make more spectacular news had they been damaged, destroyed. Further more if you hear a bang up in the sky miles up, after your initial glance upwards, upon seeing (hopefully) falling material and their direction towards you, survival instinct would kick in and you'd go seek shelter.
Exploding a possible bomb closer to the ground but just high enough to have a balanced effect - maximum damage done for the least amount of effort and just wide enough area - lessens the reaction time and the ability to take cover.

*Takes notes*

Run_to_da_hills

galwayrush wrote: »

I thought he had some explosives wrapped around his leg..

Thats what they want you to believe.

ejmaztec

He didn't want to blow up the plane over the Atlantic, because he didn't want RTDH stealing his thunder by blaming it on a CIA/Bilderberg conspiracy. With all of the evidence at the bottom of the ocean, there would always be that element of doubt.

Biggins

Seachmall wrote: »

*Takes notes*

There will be a knock on your door in five minutes.
We know where you live, we know what you look like.
Its useless to run....
DON'T MOVE - WE ARE COMING!

unkel

Dave! wrote: »

Vintage RTDH

yawn

+1

I've lost the will to go find the biggest facepalm picture on the interwebs...

TheZohanS

unkel wrote: »

+1

I've lost the will to go find the biggest facepalm picture on the interwebs...

Allow me.


Warning: Very Big File.

markok84

I heard it was a christmas cracker.

Run_to_da_hills

markok84 wrote: »

I heard it was a christmas cracker.

Christmas crackers are now classified as "explosives" :rolleyes:

Lab_Mouse

TheZohan wrote: »

Allow me.


Warning: Very Big File.

Lol..you werent joking!

PapaQuebec

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Another thing that must be questioned, why did this guy try to explode a device on final landing approach rather than in mid air when oxygen levels would have been at its highest inside the cabin?

Oxygen levels are lower whilst the aircraft is at altitude! Modern commercial airplanes are pressurised to a "cabin altitude" of typically 7000ft - meaning that the barometric pressure in the cabin is held at 7000ft above MSL where oxygen levels are considerably lower that at sea-level but still perfectly breatheable. This is done to alleviate the stress on the aircrafts fuselage from repeated pressurisation/depressurisation!

El_mariachi

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this media report the recent explosion on board a Northwest A330 could well have been a battery from a PED (Personal Electronic Device) Netbook, PDA, etc. The guy was also Nigerian student and would have passed through very strict security at Schiphol.

We have heard of recalls from Sony and Nokia over faulty lithium Ion batteries and the effects of this type of explosion can be demonstrated in this video

This is not the first time we have heard of this type of paranoia.by the US authorities and media and it seems to be getting more frequent.Just last year an Indian doctor was arrested, detained and fined $2500 because he wanted to have a p*iss when the captain was out of the flight deck

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-374564

Seriously How do people as retarded as you have the brainpower breath?! Do you wake up in the morning, go straight to boards.ie, smack yourself in the face with a hammer and type all the crap you think up till you come too?

Jesus tap dancing christ, my 6 month old cousin has more sense than you and he ****s in nappies.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I am well aware of these restrictions and we can expect to see a lot more of them in time to come. In US airspace its illegal to stand up or move within the cabin when the captain leaves the cockpit to use the toilet. With each security breach they impose more restrictions. Some are necessary others are just simple paranoia.

It will come to the stage when people will just want to avoid air trave because of all the security hassles.

That isn't true, I fly to the states at least once every 3 months for my job and I never, ever was told to remain in my seats when the captain was out of the cockpit.


Your not only a loony, your a lier.


Security is not the much of hassle if you prepare at home before you leave for the airport. The time issue with airport security is the amount of people who leave crap that forbidden in they bags.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Another thing that must be questioned, why did this guy try to explode a device on final landing approach rather than in mid air when oxygen levels would have been at its highest inside the cabin?

Erm? Maybe because blowing up a US Airliner over US soil, where it would cause damage on the ground as well as killing those on the flight. Where it can be found that it was a terrorist bomb would bring back the memories of 9/11 and strike fear back into the hearts of the American people. Added to the fact its the holidays mean that it would always be in the mind of those it affected directly.

A terrorist, with connections to an evil group who use religion, tried to mass murder 200+ people on xmas day and all you can do is come up with the NWO or some crap like it (your kind generally have some answer for everything) is trying to get one over on us.... Seriously your why I hope the human race never leaves this planet and contaminates the rest of the universe.

PapaQuebec wrote: »

Oxygen levels are lower whilst the aircraft is at altitude! Modern commercial airplanes are pressurised to a "cabin altitude" of typically 7000ft - meaning that the barometric pressure in the cabin is held at 7000ft above MSL where oxygen levels are considerably lower that at sea-level but still perfectly breatheable. This is done to alleviate the stress on the aircrafts fuselage from repeated pressurisation/depressurisation!

Thanks! Finally someone with common sense and some facts....

fizzynicenice

Back to the CT forum with you

CrazyRabbit

Another win for the terrorists.

Oh, it doesn't matter if the plane blew up or not. That's not the point. They have disrupted airports all around the world, caused delays for hundreds of thousands and will likely be the cause of yet more draconian security measures being introduced.

By stripping away people's freedoms and treating everyone like potential terrorists, the government have allowed the actual terrorists to win.

Terror, panic, distrust, doubt, confusion, hysteria....these are the only true weapons of terrorists.

Run_to_da_hills

El_mariachi wrote: »

Seriously How do people as retarded as you have the brainpower breath?! Do you wake up in the morning, go straight to boards.ie, smack yourself in the face with a hammer and type all the crap you think up till you come too?

Jesus tap dancing christ, my 6 month old cousin has more sense than you and he ****s in nappies.



That isn't true, I fly to the states at least once every 3 months for my job and I never, ever was told to remain in my seats when the captain was out of the cockpit.


Your not only a loony, your a lier.


Security is not the much of hassle if you prepare at home before you leave for the airport. The time issue with airport security is the amount of people who leave crap that forbidden in they bags.



Erm? Maybe because blowing up a US Airliner over US soil, where it would cause damage on the ground as well as killing those on the flight. Where it can be found that it was a terrorist bomb would bring back the memories of 9/11 and strike fear back into the hearts of the American people. Added to the fact its the holidays mean that it would always be in the mind of those it affected directly.

A terrorist, with connections to an evil group who use religion, tried to mass murder 200+ people on xmas day and all you can do is come up with the NWO or some crap like it (your kind generally have some answer for everything) is trying to get one over on us.... Seriously your why I hope the human race never leaves this planet and contaminates the rest of the universe.



Thanks! Finally someone with common sense and some facts....

Did you even bother to read the OP. The topic is based on an article that appeared in CNNI. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-374564

Incidently the headline and much of its content has since been altered since this morning.

TheZohanS

El_mariachi wrote: »

Seriously How do people as retarded as you have the brainpower breath?! Do you wake up in the morning, go straight to boards.ie, smack yourself in the face with a hammer and type all the crap you think up till you come too?

Your not only a loony, your a lier.


Seriously your why I hope the human race never leaves this planet and contaminates the rest of the universe.

Banned.

El Siglo

The chap is being charged now by the FBI, there must be pretty strong evidence against him.

Seachmall

El Siglo wrote: »

The chap is being charged now by the FBI, he must be Muslim.

FYP.

Run_to_da_hills

El Siglo wrote: »

The chap is being charged now by the FBI, there must be pretty strong evidence against him.

This Indian guy was also "charged" by the FBI for having a pis*s at the wrong time on an aircraft.

Executive Steve

Not sure i get all the hate in this thread? RTDH has made his or her fair share of utterly ridiculous tinfoil-hat posts, but faulty batteries in personal electronic devices causing explosions have been a feature of numerous class action lawsuits in the past, it certainly does seem to be a far more believable and simple explanation for the events that occurred, especially given the amount of airport security this chap would have passed through already in the course of his journey.

It's not exactly as though he's claiming it was Lizards and the Bush family who blew the plane up is it?

Seachmall

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

It's not exactly as though he's claiming it was Lizards and the Bush family who blew the plane up is it?

No, that was 9/11.

FlutterinBantam

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this media report the recent explosion on board a Northwest A330 could well have been a battery from a PED (Personal Electronic Device) Netbook, PDA, etc. The guy was also Nigerian student and would have passed through very strict security at Schiphol.

We have heard of recalls from Sony and Nokia over faulty lithium Ion batteries and the effects of this type of explosion can be demonstrated in this video

This is not the first time we have heard of this type of paranoia.by the US authorities and media and it seems to be getting more frequent.Just last year an Indian doctor was arrested, detained and fined $2500 because he wanted to have a p*iss when the captain was out of the flight deck

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-374564

"paranoia".. Sky marshall should have popped a cap in him.

Apologists for these idiots should be locked up too.

Run_to_da_hills

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

"paranoia".. Sky marshall should have popped a cap in him.

Yes in the exact same manner that they finished off Jean Charles de Menezes. :rolleyes:

Ciaran500

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this media report the recent explosion on board a Northwest A330 could well have been a battery from a PED (Personal Electronic Device) Netbook, PDA, etc.

Its not a media report, its just a piece that some guy posted on iReport. It even says "not vetted by CNN" at the top. :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Its not a media report, its just a piece that some guy posted on iReport. It even says "not vetted by CNN" at the top. :rolleyes:

I already explained that the content and heading of the same article was also modified since this morning not to have any connection with that incident.

Ciaran500

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I already explained that the content and heading of the same article was also modified since this morning not to have any connection with that incident.

I saw the original and my comment still applies, you took a story posted by some random guy that had almost no facts in it and posted it like it was news.

G_R

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

... RTDH has made his or her fair share of utterly ridiculous....

Surely your having a laugh. 9 out of 10 utterly ridiculous/tin foil hat/conspiracy theory threads in AH are started by RTDH. Way more than his fair share.

Run_to_da_hills

Ciaran500 wrote: »

I saw the original and my comment still applies, you took a story posted by some random guy that had almost no facts in it and posted it like it was news.

Even so the topic bears serious thinking of whether it is fact ot fiction.

L Ion batteries have exploded in the past. Fact.

With hearing posts like that from FlutterinBantam, which I would gather as the general thinking of US authorities ATM.

One would want to be extremely cautious if you were of middle eastern origin or had sallow skin. You maybe taking your life at risk carrying on board any sort of an electronic device containing one of these cells.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

"paranoia".. Sky Marshall should have popped a cap in him.

Apologists for these idiots should be locked up too.

daveirl

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