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China Blames Online Games for Drugs, Murder, Teen Pregnancy
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27-12-2009 12:33pm#1
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Sorry to say, There is something in it. All tho not do the extent they are saying. But playing Online Games or even watching Alot of TV/Movies will do the same thing. It changes you.
Now this might come as a bit of a shock but the things posted in that article have been happening before online gaming was available.Why do you think. The world has changed so much in the last 40 year.
Technology has/is evolving/progressing most likely.Even 20 year ago. You could walk around at night, Leave your house/car unlocked and not fear that something would happen.
Can't say that's true.This all happened in stages.
I wonder what stage we are at now ? Surely not endgame.
Bit by bit every year people got a little bit more Violent.
This makes no sense whatsoever.Kids started to have Sex at a younger age.
You can verify this somehow ?And the price of a life is so cheap. In some walks of life. If you don't kill someone. There is something wrong with you and your not part of the click.
I think you watch too much television.
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Sorry to say, There is something in it. All tho not do the extent they are saying. But playing Online Games or even watching Alot of TV/Movies will do the same thing. It changes you.
Why do you think. The world has changed so much in the last 40 year.
Even 20 year ago. You could walk around at night, Leave your house/car unlocked and not fear that something would happen.
Now a days. There are some places the garda cant even go in to.
This all happened in stages. Bit by bit every year people got a little bit more Violent. Kids started to have Sex at a younger age. And the price of a life is so cheap. In some walks of life. If you don't kill someone. There is something wrong with you and your not part of the click.
The problem is, We are all to blame.
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Joseph Some Sausage wrote: »I want to introduce you to FACT, he eats your opinion for breakfast...
What you need to do before you enter a debate on such a topic is educate yourself... even a little. Go read some books on how the mind works, behavioural science and perception etc etc. You may have a better understanding of the situation. To suggest, what you just did, implies that you do not have a clue about what you are talking about.
Nowhere in my post did I mention that if you play computer games you will kill people. You could have the best parents in the world but be exposed to a lot of violence from an early age through other mediums, this will influence you, depending on the nature of the games, films, your willpower, mental stability etc etc. Killing somebody and then blaming a game doesn't make you insane. Not necessarily. You could be quite sane, but you may lack the ability to differentiate between the virtual world and the real world.
There are reasons why things are sensored, why there is an age limit on games and films. Young minds should not be exposed to such things, it will effect you in one way or another, small or large. Saying there is no link between films/games and violence is quite illogical. There is a pretty strong link. Similar to being exposed to violence in the real world.
While opinions don't matter a sweet fúck, i'll let you hear mine. I think China is over exaggerating, I don't like the PC brigade too much, but sometimes they are needed. Over a certain age, when your brain is more developed, you should be able to chose for yourself what you watch and play. Until then, you should have limited exposure to excessive violence and gore...
Oh i am quite educated, and my post did cover your retort. Infants shouldn't be exposed to violence during the oedipal phase (between the ages of 3-5), to allow your child to do so would be deemed by me (and many others) to be bad parenting. If your buying your 5 year old grand theft auto your failing at parenting and most likely failing in all other departments, teaching right and wrong, manners etc.
But the Chineses answer to resolving bad parenting is to ban a fun game for ALL ages, which is ignorant and unnecessary.
My post didnt state that all ages should be exposed to any game they choose, keep the age limits in check by all means, there are other games for them to play in the mean time, but to ban all ages is just too extreme.
Heck Super mario and Sonic kept me going till my early teens
EDIT: In retrospect i do realise my post was a bit weak, when i said young age i ment from age 8-10 and up. Apologies!0 -
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Karl Hungus wrote: »Yeah, just like people playing Battlefield 2 have post traumatic stress disorder like real soldiers who witnessed violence in the real world. It's a pretty strong link, right? :rolleyes:
That's the dumbest shít I have ever heard...Saying that experiencing violence in games or films is in any way similar to experiencing it in real life is bordering on the offensive, it's wooly-headed nonsense, and the kind of sensationalist hyperbole The Sun would publish.
I don't see how difficult this is for you to understand, it's really quite simple... for most. Yet you seem to twist and turn my words. I said an exposure to such violence will influence your mind in one form or another, in a small or significant way. Key word here is INFLUENCE. Let me eplain this exceptionally complex word for you a little further:
"The power to affect, control or manipulate something or someone; the ability to change the development of fluctuating things such as conduct, thoughts or decisions; An action exerted by a person or thing with such power on another to cause change"People who have experienced violence in real life will frequently suffer from shock, and often much more serious psychological disorders and traumatized. The very fact that you can liken the real trauma that people who've witnessed violence in real life can suffer to playing a video game is shocking, it's by far the most insensitive and downright foolish things you've written.
Influence, not experience. They are differant... It seems you have a hard time differentiating between the two. I never once refered to the traumatic effects that violence has on people, in games or in real life. I spoke about the influence that high levels of exposure to gore and violence in games has on people and how it can leave them less sensitive to such violence in real life.
No matter what it is, the more you are exposed to something at a young age, the more "normal" you percieve it to be. Children on nudest beaches with their parents, they grow up more open about sex and it's less of a taboo subject. Children who grow up in a devout religious family will be the same. It's soooo simple to see, how you cannot is beyond me. It's quite obvious you know nothing about conditioning and how the human mind works...The utter nonsense about violence in fiction having such an effect on people is clearly disproved by the amount of people who do watch violent films or play violent games, and are not suffering from trauma or shock. But hey, lets not let common sense get in the way of moral indignation, shall we?
That's your argument? That lots of people play games? Are you for real? Again, understand the true meaning of influence. I think my argument is a little too complex for your mind to understand. If you cannot make the connection and cannot understand what I am talking about after the 3rd or 4th post, then stop trying... seriously, you are getting somewhat confused it seems, but hey, lets not let the ability to read properly get in the way of a good auld internet discussion, shall we?Oh i am quite educated, and my post did cover your retort. Infants shouldn't be exposed to violence during the oedipal phase (between the ages of 3-5), to allow your child to do so would be deemed by me (and many others) to be bad parenting. If your buying your 5 year old grand theft auto your failing at parenting and most likely failing in all other departments, teaching right and wrong, manners etc.
The problem is, children are not bought these games, they are exposed to them from other mediums. The internet is a library of gore, violence and porn. It doesn't make you a bad parent if your child was exposed to something when he is not in your care. If you buy your children these kind of games, you need a good kick up the arse.But the Chineses answer to resolving bad parenting is to ban a fun game for ALL ages, which is ignorant and unnecessary.
While the most dangerous age to be exposed to such violence is not adulthood, it can still influence you. What makes it easier is the level of quality of modern games. The physics engines and graphics are amazing. Banning the whole country from playing these games would seem to be a bit excessive from our point of view.My post didnt state that all ages should be exposed to any game they choose, keep the age limits in check by all means, there are other games for them to play in the mean time, but to ban all ages is just too extreme.
Yea it is a little extreme. Then again, it depends on the level of violence.Heck Super mario and Sonic kept me going till my early teens
Me too :PEDIT: In retrospect i do realise my post was a bit weak, when i said young age i ment from age 8-10 and up. Apologies!
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Does forcing us to read sickeningly condescending drivel constitute personal abuse by any chance?
Ah, poor baby, can you not get your little head around the idea? It's not my fault people don't understand my points. Anyhow, nobody is forcing you to read anything, if you don't like it, then stop reading... hardly that hard to do is it?Gummy Panda wrote: »tbh, you can't just say FACT and expect everyone to accept what you are saying is one. A bit of referencing and how you gathered the data for these facts would be nice, like how Johnny did for the female gamer thread.
AFAIK all studies into video game influence have said there may be links and not that there is an influence from them.
I can post links, then you will post other links to dismiss my claims, because there are two sides to this argument. Funny enough, the games industry so claim that violence in video games does not influence anybody ever... then there are the parents and psychiatrists that say otherwise. Studies have been done by students to find no conclusive evidence, then there have been other independant studies that show otherwise.
It goes for everything, you are influenced by your environment, every single day, conciously and subconciously. But what would I know, I only educated in that field...Cunny-Funt wrote: »My point stands, you dismissing my punch and judy examples just shows me you dunno wtf you are talking about and have the old grannies logic about violence in video games.
I can't remember them blowing holes in eachother with shotguns, or hacking arms off each other with swords, swearing and being racist to eachother... They were not graphically advanced and didn't represent true human beings. They are a show, that you see for a short time, not exposed to for 6+ hours a day every day. I don't have an old grannies logic about video games, I simply have logic, which many people seem to lack in this thread. True ignorance because their love of games blinds them. Well I am an true gamer, I play everything and anything, quite a lot, but I also have the brainpower to see that games can, and do, influence people negatively as well as positively. I apologise for being intelligent.Theres more facts in my post then yours actually. You obviously dunno anything about China either.
There is a defined differance between a fact and conspiracy theory... What you chose to believe in shows your naivety. Sorry if my points are extracted from scientific studies... damned scientists, always telling us porkies... :rolleyes:0 -
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It's all ignorant bs that has been presented
I know, I have tried telling them, but it's not workingGummy Panda wrote: »Well you could post them to back up your argument. Its well and good saying there is studies and others can post counter links but you still haven't presented these studies, which is strange considering you said they were facts.
I will when I get more time to dig them up.Also how is anyone to know you are educated in that field especially where you post FACT and then say everyone else opinion is the dumbest shít ever? You can hardly expect people to take you serious with that argument style considering it is usually the posting style of people who post their opinion but realise they don't have any substance to present once this opinion is questioned.
Not every opinion from everyone is dumb. I get a sense of "he's attacking what I love, lets defend it no matter what" attitude from a lot of ye. My education is not as in dept in that perticular area as I would like it to be, but I have studied enough to understand this topic and see how it works. Most will not see it.I agree games due have an influence but so does everything that happens in our daily routine, I have just never saw evidence that video games have the level of influence that could have a negative impact on a person (who doesn't already have mental health issues) and lead to anti-social behaviour.
Exactly, thank you... My main argument is that people being exposed to large amounts of gore/violence at an early age, even older ages, can be bad. Then the usual crap comes out "sure they must have been mental already"... which is bullcrap.
Prime example. World of Warcraft. That's very very antisocial.
Other examples would be children becomming enraged when they cannot play the game, becomming anxious and figity. Games can influence your behaviour quite a lot.BTW, I'm open to either sides arguments. I don't really have a stance as I'm not chinese and its not my product in the spotlight.
I can see both sides too, sadly, not many can see my side.Stercus Accidit wrote: »I'm getting a bit sick of xaviers intentionally insulting and condescending shite, if he has a legitimate argument in there at all, opening up with an insult is a sure way to get me to skim over it.
FACT
reported, do follow suit if you agree.
This a games forum, not an exposition for dire social skills, keep that to xbox live.
:rolleyes:
Or in other words:
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Congratulations on using your education to talk down to people on the internet, a noble pursuit if ever there was one. The sad fact is, there is some truth to some of the things you are saying but you're expressing yourself in such a way that no one wants to listen to you and those that do are simply enraged by your arrogance and condescension.Joseph Some Sausage wrote: »Ah, poor baby, can you not get your little head around the idea? It's not my fault people don't understand my points. Anyhow, nobody is forcing you to read anything, if you don't like it, then stop reading... hardly that hard to do is it? 0 -
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Maximilian wrote: »I'm still trying to figure out the teen pregnancy thing. Is it a HL mod? I'm thinking Garry's Mod maybe. I don't want a load of Chinese children knocking on my door one day looking for daddy. Is my firewall not enough? What anti-pregnancy software should I be using?
I have to laugh at Xavier. Insofar as I can tell (tl;dr) he derides other people's opinions on the basis that they are not facts, merely opinions and then proceeds to opine himself as though it were fact.
Not at all... I stated where I posted my opinion and where I have posted facts.Keep it friendly folks (and please stop reporting posts just because you don't agree with someone).
I'm all for healthy debate here (even if it is heavily weighted in favour of one side)
For those on the 'other' side, please back up your arguments with facts, or you'll have a tough time of it here.
Shouldn't that go for both sides, and not just one side? I have yet to see any "fact" from the other side of this debateCongratulations on using your education to talk down to people on the internet, a noble pursuit if ever there was one. The sad fact is, there is some truth to some of the things you are saying but you're expressing yourself in such a way that no one wants to listen to you and those that do are simply enraged by your arrogance and condescension.
Such is life.PogMoThoin wrote: »I'd call it trolling tbh
You need to update your definition of trolling then, don't you?
I cannot understand, and I apologise for this, how ye cannot see how being exposed to certain things is not healthy, be it violence, sex, or other. Being exposed to some things can be very benificial too. I don't think I can simplify it any more than I already have in previos posts.
I also understand what it is like to have something you love attacked, but some people gotta learn to drop their guard and listen a little. I mean, you scream for evidence and links, but how can ye not use your common sense to see the truth in what I am saying? Being exposed to ANY type of violence at any age (especially at a young age) is bad. How bad the outcome may be depends on some factors such as the age of the person, the level of gore/violence and the lenght of exposure, some other factors may be taken into account, such as the individual him/herself and their ability to break down what they are witnessing, to distinguish between right and wrong. We are not all the same, and we do not all deal with certain scenarios the same. Some may be exposed to slight violence at short intervals and react completely crazy, another may have witnessed extreme violence all his/her life, and it might have no effect at all. Playing a violent video game will not make you kill somebody, not directly. It WILL influence your personality... regardless of what you wish to believe or not...
Think that is about the 3rd or 4th time I said it, no?0 -
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