Legal High's Banned in UK

Zascar

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=en_ie&hl=en&q=legal+highs

Suppose we all knew this was coming. No loss with most of it, that horrible BZP crap etc etc

The good news is that Mephedrone or 4-MMC is still legal - but most likely not for long!

karlog

So i guess we should start calling them illegal highs from now on.

projectmayhem

Why people sought this stuff out makes no sense anyway. It's horrid stuff. Not once have I had one where I felt I was having an experience anywhere near the "illegal" one... far too intense, doesn't let you sleep afterwards and gives you a nasty, nasty hangover

Zascar

I've never done it really but from what I've heard all that all that BZP crap is awful.

Mephedrone on the other hand is brilliant. Better than most of the pills going round these days anyway. Nice happy chatty high, not too full on, but when you are down you feel fine and you can sleep grand and feel absolutely fine the next day.

projectmayhem

Zascar wrote: »

Mephedrone on the other hand is brilliant. Better than most of the pills going round these days anyway. Nice happy chatty high, not too full on, but when you are down you feel fine and you can sleep grand and feel absolutely fine the next day.

Never tried it but know of someone who does that instead of anything else because it's a much nicer high, as you describe. Will have to give it a go one day

disssco

UNfortunately there is a big fear that mephedrone is cardiotoxic, and that the damage might be long-term in the sense that it doesn~t become apparent until later down the line a la flenfluramine - google it.

methylone would be the safer option

BaZmO*

disssco wrote: »

UNfortunately there is a big fear that mephedrone is cardiotoxic, and that the damage might be long-term in the sense that it doesn~t become apparent until later down the line a la flenfluramine - google it.

They said the same about E when it first came out. Not saying that it's not true, but until there's scientific proof to back up the claims it's all just speculation and conjecture.

jonny68

Charge and blow is actually better than the rubbish you get on the street as coke, ive taken this stuff a few times,in fact i done some last nite and i can categorically state it's by far an away better than the crap dealers are churning out,these happy hippy shops are cleaning up big time.

fish fingers

Charge is rather good alright, bitch to sleep on though:(

copeyhagen

the pills are ****e, out of it for 2 days..no thanks.

i like the charlie though, done it a couple times.

no bother the next day. and i think the real charlie is a mugs game

DublinWriter

The phrase 'not for human consumption' is put on the packets of legal highs for a reason.

Chrisht knows what's in Spice or any of the rest, at least there's pharmacological data on what cocaine and THC does to the body in the short and long terms.

Massive Muscles

DublinWriter wrote: »

The phrase 'not for human consumption' is put on the packets of legal highs for a reason.

Chrisht knows what's in Spice or any of the rest, at least there's pharmacological data on what cocaine and THC does to the body in the short and long terms.

I read a police report on spice and they were quite positive about it.

Zascar

DublinWriter wrote: »

The phrase 'not for human consumption' is put on the packets of legal highs for a reason.

Yeah, it's called "Covering your ass" by the people who sell it in case something goes wrong it's less likely to come back to them.

These drugs were purposely synthesised chemically by scientists to get the same effects as other drugs, but without some of the negatives - it wan't an accident. However of course there are risks, there always are, putting anything like that into your body is a risk. However like the Drug Tsar recently came under fire for saying "Doing Ecstasy, LSD or Weed is no more dangerous than horse riding" - it just depends on what you consider Dangerous

jonny68

Zascar wrote: »

Yeah, it's called "Covering your ass" by the people who sell it in case something goes wrong it's less likely to come back to them.

These drugs were purposely synthesised chemically by scientists to get the same effects as other drugs, but without some of the negatives - it wan't an accident. However of course there are risks, there always are, putting anything like that into your body is a risk. However like the Drug Tsar recently came under fire for saying "Doing Ecstasy, LSD or Weed is no more dangerous than horse riding" - it just depends on what you consider Dangerous

indeed my thoughts as well.

jtsuited

Zascar wrote: »

These drugs were purposely synthesised chemically by scientists to get the same effects as other drugs,

really? i thought piperazines were used as a worming agent by vets. And most of these 'legal highs' were piperazine derivatives no?

I don't think there are scientists synthesising drugs to ape other drugs. More a couple of chemists going 'here look at this chemical. Very similar structure to that very popular illegal recreational drug. let's produce it'.

I could be way off the mark though.

Zascar

Yes I think you are right about the Piperazines, but I heard that Mephedrone was purpose built for no other reason than getting high. It has no actual benefit whatsoever to Plants - that is Purely small print to keep them safe..

DublinWriter

Zascar wrote: »

These drugs were purposely synthesised chemically by scientists to get the same effects as other drugs, but without some of the negatives

Scientists my swiss...how do you know they weren't formulated by some 18 year-old psychonaut working out of his bedroom?

You don't...that's the point.

There's never been any clinical trials on legal highs. There's no traceability, it's not like you have the likes of Glaxo or Merck producing these things, you don't know where they come from, who manufactures them, yet you're naive enough to believe that there must be scientists behind them.

Zascar

OK we're getting pedantic, but whoever they are, if someone is able to make a mind altering drug, knowing about chemistry and biology etc etc - they are a scientist in my mind. What I had heard about 4-mmc is that they purposefully looked at the chemical compounds of ecstasy and cocaine and synthesized something that stimulated serotonin in the brain in the same way as other drugs. They then made loads of it and sold it online and are probably making an absolute fortune. It will become illegal soon no doubt

DublinWriter

Zascar wrote: »

OK we're getting pedantic, but whoever they are, if someone is able to make a mind altering drug, knowing about chemistry and biology etc etc - they are a scientist in my mind.

I've just popped down to my kitchen and I've mixed some Jagermeister with Toilet Duck.

Take that cocktail and you'll find it pretty mind altering...now where's my accreditation as a scientist in your book?

If you're willing to trust your local 'Happy Hippy Shop' in your mind, then cherish your mind while you still have it intact. As someone who's worked in the pharma industry for ten years, I know some of the horrible interactions that even a drug as simple as Aspirin can have on the human body.

If you absolutely must, and I say this advisedly, stay illegal, or better still, don't take anything at all.

If you're comfortable taking 'legals' when you have no clue whatsoever as their chemical composition then I'd have to call you a great example of Darwinism in action.

Zascar

:rolleyes:

I don't know why you are getting so worked up about this... I agree with you, you probably are better off doing pure cocaine than some of the crap they sell in hippy shops. I'm not experienced that all those 'legal highs' they sell in these shops so I cannot really comment, I would not bother as I hear they are horrendous. But doing any drugs at all is dangerous and potentially hazardous to your health - its up to the person to weigh up the risks associated.

People do Ecstasy all the time and most have no idea what is in it, but we all know that all sorts of horrible crap can be found in pills. Are you saying that All people who do drugs are "a great example of Darwinism in action"?

DublinWriter

Zascar wrote: »

Are you saying that All people who do drugs are "a great example of Darwinism in action"?

No. I'm saying that at least with illegals you know what you are getting to a degree.

Your assumption that legals are manufactured by scientists proves the point that people stupidly believe that they must be safe and will therefore take them, oblivious to some of the horrendous sh*t that they contain.

Shulgin

DublinWriter wrote: »

No. I'm saying that at least with illegals you know what you are getting to a degree.

Your assumption that legals are manufactured by scientists proves the point that people stupidly believe that they must be safe and will therefore take them, oblivious to some of the horrendous sh*t that they contain.

Most if not all of the mephedrone circulating around at the moment is produced by legit chinese chemical companies and is very pure. Illegal street drugs could contain anything at all. Thanks to prohibition.

At least with mephedrone you know what you are getting is pure.
The long term side effects from this unresearched chemical are another story altogether though, I wouldnt be recommending anyone take it regularly. Too many unknowns further down the line. Legal yes, safe, no idea!

dublin 16 lad

DublinWriter wrote: »

No. I'm saying that at least with illegals you know what you are getting to a degree.

No you don't. You have no idea what you're getting

Recent studies in the UK have shown the average batch of cocaine to be just over 5% in purity

Nearly all 'ecstasy' pills to hit Ireland and the UK in the last 2 years do not contain mdma aka ecstasy. They contain piperazine blends which cause serious sickness in lots of it's users and sometimes even worse harmful chemicals

At least with mephedrone and some of these legal highs you know what chemical you're taking

This should't even be a topic because people should be allowed take whatever they want and drugs should be legalised!

projectmayhem

Zascar wrote: »

if someone is able to make a mind altering drug, knowing about chemistry and biology etc etc - they are a scientist in my mind.

In fairness mind-altering drugs probably require a very basic understanding of chemistry. Take a swig of some harpic and I'm sure you'll be seeing mad things in no time.

dublin 16 lad wrote: »

This should't even be a topic because people should be allowed take whatever they want and drugs should be legalised!

I would tend to agree. Set an age limit of 21 in Europe for drug taking and make ecstasy and cocaine legal. You can control the sale and quality of the product and people - who would be taking it anyway - will contribute to the exchequer. The problem is that governments aren't brave enough to face facts and own up to the idea that their citizens take drugs. Not even the Dutch...

Zascar

It's never going to happen - at least not for a very long time. The mere suggestion from any of the main parties about legalising hard drugs would probably send their approval ratings spiraling with a huge chunk of the voters, and they are not prepared to take that risk.

One major factor is that some studies show that if they did legalise drugs, they would make less money off taxing it etc than they would have to put back in due to issues on health & crime etc. Most people can use recreational drugs without ruining their lives but there is always a small percentage that will mess themselves up - and many think that its just not worth it.

I think the main thing is to decriminalise it to a certain extent. It's not so bad over here but in the US its horriffic, there are over 1 Million young men in US jails because of marijuana - this is really sad. They get caught with some weed, not a lot but enough to justify intent to supply, and then they have a criminal record that will follow them forever, greatly narrowing their chances of ever having a decent career. With the fact that they know they'll never get rich normally they often result to a life of crime. These guys are not scared of the downsides or consequences of prosecution.

Zascar

dublin 16 lad wrote: »

No you don't. You have no idea what you're getting

Recent studies in the UK have shown the average batch of cocaine to be just over 5% in purity

Nearly all 'ecstasy' pills to hit Ireland and the UK in the last 2 years do not contain mdma aka ecstasy. They contain piperazine blends which cause serious sickness in lots of it's users and sometimes even worse harmful chemicals

At least with mephedrone and some of these legal highs you know what chemical you're taking

Exactly. I read that there is basically a big shortage of MDMA (or the chemicals that are used to make it) because the production of them is being tightly constrained since they know what its being used for. So dealers are putting all sorts of crap in pills these days. From what I've heard there have been barely any proper mdma pills in Dublin over the last year or two - they are all full pf BZP and piperazine type crap they put in legal highs you get in head shops etc. I've only heard bad things about them so I've never bothered - aparently the skeg off them is horriffic so i stay well clear.

If you are in Columbia I'm sure you'll get good coke but I've heard in little old Ireland its been cut to bejeasus so you certainly can't rely on quality either. I was told the other day that they very often cut it with speed so that you get a bit of a buzz, but then also some stuff dentists use to numb your gums - that way people are under the illusion that its good coke but its actually mostly shyte.

This is why Mephedrone at least looks like a better option. You can be a lot more sure that it's pure. It does not get you a fcuked as a good pill but its a nice happy chatty fun high, you can sleep grand and you feel fine the next day. I'd trust that more than skanky pills that make you feel like a junkie the next day. However I do agree there are still considerable risks and like any drugs at all I don't think anyone should be doing it too often.

Hawk Wing

That BZP crap is the most vile substance I have ever come across

Fintomiginto

Mephedrone is a great buzz altogether, like a nice pill.

Ive done that Blow stuff from the Hemp shops a few times and have enjoyed it, better than your normal cocaine you get these days and at half the price.

Hawk Wing

Fintomiginto wrote: »

Ive done that Blow stuff from the Hemp shops a few times and have enjoyed it, better than your normal cocaine you get these days and at half the price.

Yeah, grand stuff, show the **** scumbags are trying to pass off as coke for what it is

disssco

Again I'd just like to warn people about mephedrone. Do your research (and lots of it) before you hammer your way through a gram in a night. Even moderate use could be dangerous in the long term.

As for legal highs and the lack of knowledge as to what substance(s) they contain I wholeheartedly agree. I overheard two junkies talking on the quays the other day about injecting "blow", and not coke either, rather the stuff you can get in the head shops. What a terrible terrible idea! Whatever about injecting pure mephedrone or 3-FMC or whatever the latest batch contains but the other stuff in it like creatine and vitamin c surely can't be too good for your veins!

milltown

Just curious, do people actually get this stuff mail order? I mean it's legal for the moment but would people not worry about "getting the eye on themselves" from various authorities for getting deliveries of white powder through the post? I'm talking about the meth/meph stuff btw, not the herbal head shop stuff.

Zascar

Some people I know used to use a service called BudMail - its some Canadian guys who send weed/resin through the post. At the beginning you could use an online payment system and later they changed so you had to post them cash and they'd post you back your order. They said it was about 80% reliable, maybe 1/5 times it would not arrive - but they were happy with it. I would not do it but it worked for them.

So if stinky illegal weed gets through ok, I doubt there is any problem with perfectly legal scentless white power - for feeding plants. It comes in a bubblewrap envelope with some layers of cardboard in it, I highly doubt they can know what is in each and every package. This is "An Post" its not the CIA

Plumpynutt

jonny68 wrote: »

Charge and blow is actually better than the rubbish you get on the street as coke, ive taken this stuff a few times,in fact i done some last nite and i can categorically state it's by far an away better than the crap dealers are churning out,these happy hippy shops are cleaning up big time.

yeah ive done blow a few times, i really enjoyed it. also tried the ministries(i think they were called)/ real happy, chatty buzz. really enjoyable, + no comedown and ability to sleep grand. a lot better than some of the illegal stuff out there IMO

Plumpynutt

dublin 16 lad wrote: »

No you don't. You have no idea what you're getting

Recent studies in the UK have shown the average batch of cocaine to be just over 5% in purity

Nearly all 'ecstasy' pills to hit Ireland and the UK in the last 2 years do not contain mdma aka ecstasy. They contain piperazine blends which cause serious sickness in lots of it's users and sometimes even worse harmful chemicals

At least with mephedrone and some of these legal highs you know what chemical you're taking

This should't even be a topic because people should be allowed take whatever they want and drugs should be legalised!

i agree, blue cupids were on the menu on NYE, mate had some and he was in bits for 2 days after. looked up on pillreports.com and no mdma at all just that piperazine sh*ite. ill be sticking to the head shop for a while yet tbh. and will be looking into mephedrone

milltown

Zascar wrote: »

This is "An Post" its not the CIA

Still the same An Post that shat on my buying duty free ciggies over t'internet money saving scheme years ago.

electrogrimey

Plumpynutt wrote: »

i agree, blue cupids were on the menu on NYE, mate had some and he was in bits for 2 days after. looked up on pillreports.com and no mdma at all just that piperazine sh*ite. ill be sticking to the head shop for a while yet tbh. and will be looking into mephedrone

Mephedrone is AFAIK the main ingredient in Blow, I'm 90% sure of that. They have a list of herbal plants as ingredients on one of the websites, but half of them don't even exist, and the effects are exactly the same as meph. Probably some caffeine in there too.

jonny68

Got this in an e-mail today so good news

jonny68

Drugs that mimic cocaine see sales soar
11/01/2010 - 09:15:35
Sales of legal drugs that mimic cocaine are on the increase.

Alternative lifestyle shops around the country have been selling out of the legal drugs.

The drugs are labelled as plant food or novelty bath salts and are labelled as "not for human consumption".

Known as snowblow, charge or white ice - the drugs are synthesised in laboratories to mimic the effects of illegal drugs such as cocaine and amphetamines.

The power substances are on sale in head shops - retail outlets that specialise in drug paraphernalia.

It is the latest craze to hit the party scene but doctors are now warning of the side effects which include nose bleeds, blood circulations problems, paranoia, fits and delusions.


http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/drugs-that-mimic-cocaine-see-sales-soar-441450.html

es-cee

i have yet 2 dabble with any of the "legal highs" as ive heard mixed reports about them.

in some cases ive been told that pills and powders of this variety are better than the illegal street stuff thats goin around nowadays, but on the other hand ive also been told about the paranoia and insomnia that also goes hand in hand with these products.

so just wonderin if this stuff is as bad or as good as the people ive spoken 2 about it claim. are the pills like good ecstasy or are they a totally different buzz 2 steer clear of? and the same with the powders, are they like a good coke or speed buzz?

the only thing ive heard nothin bad about is mephadrone, apparently this is supposed 2 be a lovely buzz with no major come down or sleep deprevation, i could be wrong in what im sayin as ive never done any of these.

so any info would be greatly appreciated, are these highs money well spent or are they just a crock of sh1te.

wexic0

has anyone tried this yet?

Zascar

probably would not be wise at this stage, although I'm sure loads of people are going to stock up

VinylJunkie

When are they to be banned here?

wexic0

many thanks for the quick reply.
I cant see why there wud be a reason for concern as it is still legal. Getting it from the Uk now is a bit of a pain in the arse as its banned from next wk i think- or sumtime close!

Only wanna get 10g or so anyway. nothin major

N yeah, I can see why theyre stocking up.

wexic0

I think the ban comes into effect in june here

Auvers

wexic0 wrote: »

I cant see why there wud be a reason for concern as it is still legal. Getting it from the Uk now is a bit of a pain in the arse as its banned from next wk i think- or sumtime close!

not going to be banned a few weeks but I sent you a PM

Pace2008

wexic0 wrote: »

Only wanna get 10g or so anyway. nothin major

Ah, I thought it might have been an entrepreneurial investment of kilo or so.

I can't see you having any trouble with 10g.

wexic0

Pace2008 wrote: »

Ah, I thought it might have been an entrepreneurial investment of kilo or so.

I can't see you having any trouble with 10g.

Hahaha ... entrepreneurial investment.
This is what im gonna say shud customs rape me sumtime down the line.
"Ya cant blame me for tryin" is what im gonna say.
A fukin kilo tho.....fuk ya wud want ta be fairly strong wilded to avoid the temptations of takin that should ya go over the 1g barrier some saturday night!!
Can anyone suggest some gud places to buy it?

Pace2008

I think you might have missed the boat to some extent man, I was looking at some hitherto-inexpensive UK vendors and they all seem to have almost doubled their price.

wexic0

Pace2008 wrote: »

I think you might have missed the boat to some extent man, I was looking at some hitherto inexpensive UK vendors and they all seem to have almost doubled their price.

Yes i do agree.
I was thinkin of this opportunity around january but college fees fukd me over for the year.
I dont mind getting it at ~€10/g.
Shall look into some links suggested.

Rage at bn complacent