50% drop in foreign nationals on 2004 figures.

Run_to_da_hills

"MORE THAN half the foreign nationals who came to work in Ireland in 2004 have probably left the country, according to the Central Statistics Office.

Research published yesterday shows 52 per cent of the almost 118,000 foreign nationals who received personal public service numbers (PPSNs) in 2004 are not working or claiming social welfare.

There has also been a sharp fall in the number of new arrivals to Ireland, with 127,695 PPSNs allocated to foreign nationals in 2008, down almost a third from a peak of 226,800 allocated during 2006"

I would say O'Leary is a big looser with this with less making regular trips back and foreword.

I also notice a heap of rentals up for grabs around town, a few years ago one couldn't get a place.

I also wonder has this any direct effect on the drop in the number of road fatalities this year?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1224/1224261231414.html

dsmythy

Makes sense.

Biggins

Rise in foreign nationals claiming welfare

Wednesday December 23 2009

The amount of foreigners claiming social welfare in Ireland has risen despite large numbers leaving the country, it has been revealed.
Of the 118,000 people arriving in Ireland in 2004, 10% registered for benefits but that figure jumped to almost a quarter last year.

The Central Statistics Office blamed rising unemployment for driving greater numbers of migrants to the dole.
The body also found the number of personal public service numbers (PPSNs) allocated to foreign nationals dropped by almost a third from their peak in 2006, from 226,800 to 154,800.
And less than half of those arriving in the country last year worked.

Of the 72,000 drop in allocations since 2006, 51,100 were from Poland alone, while significant falls were also seen for Lithuania and Slovakia.
But Brazil is bucking the trend as the number from the South American state continues to rise, from 3,437 in 2007 to 5,627 in 2008.
The CSO study also found that the percentage of PPSNs allocated to people under 15 is rising, accounting for 17.5% of the total last year, compared with just 10% in 2006.
Of the 118,000 foreign nationals over the age of 15 given PPSNs in 2004, only 48% had any employment or social welfare activity in 2008, the CSO said.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/rise-in-foreign-nationals-claiming-welfare-1987234.html

AlmightyCushion

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

MORE THAN half the foreign nationals who came to work in Ireland in 2004 have probably left the country, according to the Central Statistics Office.

Probably? Just like how my cock is probably the biggest thing in the known universe.

Senna

Deserting a sinking ship, they have the right idea.

Run_to_da_hills

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Probably? Just like how my cock is probably the biggest thing in the known universe.

Only quoting the press.

The Express

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

MORE THAN half the foreign nationals who came to work in Ireland in 2004 have probably left the country, according to the Central Statistics Office.

Research published yesterday shows 52 per cent of the almost 118,000 foreign nationals who received personal public service numbers (PPSNs) in 2004 are not working or claiming social welfare.

There has also been a sharp fall in the number of new arrivals to Ireland, with 127,695 PPSNs allocated to foreign nationals in 2008, down almost a third from a peak of 226,800 allocated during 2006

I would say O'Leary is a big looser with this with less making regular trips back and foreword.

I also notice a heap of rentals up for grabs around town, a few years ago one couldn't get a place.

I also wonder has this any direct effect on the drop in the number of road fatalities this year?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1224/1224261231414.html

Not too sure meself about pps numbers, rentals or fatalities but, by jaysus, some of the women were absolute honeys!!

I believe that many of the migrant workers never intended to stay anyway, just earn a wedge then go home! (depends on where home is of course)

Many of the later arrivals may have been forced to cut short their "tour" due to unemployment.

As for road safety, the opening up of a large number of new roads will have a huge impact (pun intended) on the reduction of crashes.

Sharpshooter

Senna wrote: »

Deserting a sinking ship, they have the right idea.

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

Sir Gallagher

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

Pretty bold statement there.

hooradiation

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

ha ha ha.

no.

dsmythy

It must really suck in Brazil so.

Senna

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

Bit harsh that SS, there was job shortages and they were welcomed by most employers, i know during 2005/6 if it wasn't for the Polish i would have had hardly any staff. On our list of contributors to Irelands downfall, the foreigners are number 4583, just after my local pub for putting condom prices up to €4.

plein de force

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

most of the jobs they were doing would hardly made them "all the more profitable"

TheZohanS

Very harsh. They took on the jobs that nobody wanted.

dsmythy

Perhaps he is talking about those in the construction industry. Put a bubble on that bubble and all that. Though it's the government's fault for opening it's arms too wide all with the plan of bribing the population into voting for them.

utick

Senna wrote: »

, i know during 2005/6 if it wasn't for the Polish i would have had hardly any staff.QUOTE]

thats not true, unless your wages are not in line with supply and demand

Asmodean

Whats with all this 'They did the jobs we wouldn't do?' load of crap. Give some examples.

utick

utick wrote: »

Senna wrote: »

, i know during 2005/6 if it wasn't for the Polish i would have had hardly any staff.

thats not true, unless your wages are not in line with supply and demand

There was no demand for minimum wage jobs amongst the Irish workers, as it turns out wages were too high here for international businesses. That's why they jumped ship first!

Senna

Senna wrote: »

, i know during 2005/6 if it wasn't for the Polish i would have had hardly any staff.QUOTE]

thats not true, unless your wages are not in line with supply and demand

Yeah its a lie, i had loads of Irish staff.:rolleyes:
Bubble supply and demand for wages maybe, but now i still have a good few of the original Polish staff (started around 2005) and plenty of Irish people who suddenly feel that the wages are good enough now, funny that.

Run_to_da_hills

Asmodean wrote: »

Whats with all this 'They did the jobs we wouldn't do?' load of crap. Give some examples.

Teaching Polish.

TheZohanS

Asmodean wrote: »

Whats with all this 'They did the jobs we wouldn't do?' load of crap. Give some examples.

Mostly in the services industry, contract cleaning, fast food outlets etc.

Asmodean

Asmodean wrote: »

Whats with all this 'They did the jobs we wouldn't do?' load of crap. Give some examples.

A couple of years ago the manager of a fast food resturant was asked why he only employed foreigners, his reply "they are the only ones applying for the jobs!"

dsmythy

So we would of had less fast food places? Sounds good to me.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Teaching Polish.

lol

We could do with some of then teaching English, judging by some of the replies here.

Ostrom

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

Entirely their own doing yes? What part might that be - because any account you give that might actively implicate them (as far as i can imagine) would be your own invention.

MikeC101

I suppose a case could be made for foreign workers driving up demand and prices for rental properties, thus making buying to let a more attractive proposition, and in turn adding to rising housing prices.

Though I don't know how significant their contribution would have been, and hell, it's not like they weren't also contributing to the tax take.

The Saint

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

Well that's a facepalm statement right there. :rolleyes:

indough

Deleted User wrote: »

lol

We could do with some of then teaching English, judging by some of the replies here.

sorry but it was begging to be done

K-9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

also wonder has this any direct effect on the drop in the number of road fatalities this year?

Do Go on?

AlmightyCushion

K-9 wrote: »

Do Go on?

Well it makes sense. Less people on the road should mean less accidents and less fatalities.

indough

indough wrote: »

sorry but it was begging to be done

typo

TheZohanS

K-9 wrote: »

Do Go on?

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Well it makes sense. Less people on the road should mean less accidents and less fatalities.

Not just that, the article that RTDH quoted stated:

Fri 05 May 2006

Foreign nationals account for one-third of road fatalities this year
Some 31 foreign nationals have lost their lives in road traffic accidents this year and many more have been indirectly involved in crashes accounting for almost one-third of all fatalities, Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy has told the Oireachtas Transport Committee

That's a disportionate amount of deaths amongst foreign drivers.

TheZohan

TheZohan wrote: »

That's a disportionate amount of deaths amongst foreign drivers.

Two were killed last year, just a couple of miles down the road.

Late at night, quiet road, forgot which side to drive on, head on with a bus!

More new duel carriageways has helped as well.

Tha Gopher

TheZohan wrote: »

That's a disportionate amount of deaths amongst foreign drivers.

Dont let hard facts get in the way of a challenge against a politically incorrect statement about foreigners driving skills ffs.

aligator_am

Out of interest, what percentage of those who apparently left Ireland were African? or more specifically, Nigerian? I assume it's about 0%, bunch of benefit grabbing louts IMO.

Bah, humbug!

EDIT: Yeah I know that's a generalisation about them, but from my experiences and those of people I know, Nigerians do seem to be milking the system, and don't get me wrong, there are plenty of others doing the same, including Irish naer do wells, but it just seems to me that a lot of Nigerians here are taking the piss out of the system

Liam Byrne

Deleted User wrote: »

.... head on with a bus!

More new duel carriageways...

Nodin

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

I was unaware that Fitzpatrick, Drumm or Fingleton were Eastern European names.....

El Weirdo

aligator_am wrote: »

Out of interest, what percentage of those who apparently left Ireland were African? or more specifically, Nigerian? I assume it's about 0%, bunch of benefit grabbing louts IMO.

Bah, humbug!

EDIT: Yeah I know that's a generalisation about them, but from my experiences and those of people I know, Nigerians do seem to be milking the system, and don't get me wrong, there are plenty of others doing the same, including Irish naer do wells, but it just seems to me that a lot of Nigerians here are taking the piss out of the system

You didn't need to type that much in your edit. You should've just prefaced your post with "I'm not racist, but...":rolleyes:

hooradiation

aligator_am wrote: »

Out of interest, what percentage of those who apparently left Ireland were African? or more specifically, Nigerian? I assume it's about 0%, bunch of benefit grabbing louts IMO.

Bah, humbug!

EDIT: Yeah I know that's a generalisation about them, but from my experiences and those of people I know, Nigerians do seem to be milking the system, and don't get me wrong, there are plenty of others doing the same, including Irish naer do wells, but it just seems to me that a lot of Nigerians here are taking the piss out of the system

What a refreshingly unique viewpoint....

Biggins

There seems to be some confusion over the figures been banded about and the figures are being used in some cases incorrectly I suspect.
For accuracy of statistics only I provide the following links:

* November numbers in downloadable PDF format: HERE
* Earlier numbers available HERE
* http://www.orac.ie/
* http://www.unhcr.ie/
* http://migration.ucc.ie/cdvec.htm

A slight part that some might have missed (if you compare the two articles above) is that although the numbers leaving has increased, the numbers of foreign nationals draining the welfare system, has increased. This adds credence to a "Primetime" investigation conclusion (and examples was shown in a recent programme) that the use of PPS numbers are being used to exploit the state of monetary funds.
Some of those that have left are in fact "renting" out their numbers to others still here that are now working under one PPS number while claiming the dole under another PPS number their have obtained from a person that has left.

Two weeks ago "Primetime Investigates" did a whole programme on this type of fraud. Its interesting watching and will help explain the above situation much better and clearer.
The programme can be watched by clicking HERE

Mike 1972

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe that many of the migrant workers never intended to stay anyway, just earn a wedge then go home! (depends on where home is of course).

Given that over the last fifty years a fairly large proportion of Irish emigrants (particularly the shorter haul ones) eventually chose to return to Ireland I really dont see why anyone should be suprised by this. As the benefits of EU membership lead (hopefully) to improved employment prospects and living standards in places like Poland more people will return (Probably to be replaced by migrants from other countries once our economy starts to pick up) most of those who stay here permanently will gradually assimilate.

Deleted User wrote: »

As for road safety, the opening up of a large number of new roads will have a huge impact (pun intended) on the reduction of crashes.

Ive always suspected this scapegoatting of foreign drivers was a crock anyway given that its generally acknowledged that the standard of driving in Ireland leaves a lot to be desired and the general tendency amongst bad drivers to scapegoat someone else e.g. "Its not the drink drivers its the speeders/young drivers/old drivers/people in big cars/people in small cars/slow drivers/overtakers/Johnny Foreigner/etc etc "

walshb

Don't forget the large numbers who came over for the handouts, to work for the two years and then jump on the gravy train. I doubt many of these are gone home, and who'd blame them?

The increase in welfare claims from the Foreigners has increased as Biggins pointed out, this is the real
glaring figure

walshb

hooradiation wrote: »

What a refreshingly unique viewpoint....

Well, it's far from inaccurate.

Aidric

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Seeing as they had a big part in said sinking they scurried back home all the more profitable for it.

I think you should explain your reasoning for a statement like that.

Run_to_da_hills

More here on the subject in the Sindo.

Is the EU subsidising the Social Welfare system in this country? It was their responsible for opening the flood gates for these guys to come into the country in the first place through the Nice treaty.

herya

walshb wrote: »

The increase in welfare claims from the Foreigners has increased as Biggins pointed out, this is the real
glaring figure

I just love The Independent

New figures show that more than 154,000 foreign nationals were given PPS numbers last year to help them gain access to social welfare benefits, public services and information in Ireland.

To help them get work in the first place maybe, wouldn't you think? Or maybe to join their families since now you need to decide if you want to live here or there? But surely you put welfare first as to enrage us tax paying softies.

But fewer than half of last year's arrivals had employment during the year, according to the latest data from the Central Statistics Office.

Because so many turned around and left? But I can see the urban legend "half of the recent immigrants are unemployed and on welfare" rising here, well done.

Of the 118,000 foreign nationals, who arrived to Ireland in 2004, only 10pc recorded social welfare activity that year but this had risen to 24pc by last year

Because they worked up to their benefit entitlement or had kids since their arrival in 2004?

walshb

Apologies, they must be coming to work, or maybe it's the weather. Or is it that they love the Irish? It can't be for the handouts, can it?;)

hooradiation

walshb wrote: »

Well, it's far from inaccurate.

No it's pretty much total shit.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More here on the subject in the Sindo.

Is the EU subsidising the Social Welfare system in this country? It was their responsible for opening the flood gates for these guys to come into the country in the first place through the Nice treaty.

It's like you are just constantly making things up. It's like a compulsion or something.

herya

walshb wrote: »

Apologies, they must be coming to work, or maybe it's the weather. Or is it that they love the Irish? It can't be for the handouts, can it?;)

Oh you're so right. They (we!) are all coming for the handouts, I can see it now. Why do I work again?...

johnathan woss

walshb wrote: »

Don't forget the large numbers who came over for the handouts, to work for the two years and then jump on the gravy train. I doubt many of these are gone home, and who'd blame them?

The increase in welfare claims from the Foreigners has increased as Biggins pointed out, this is the real
glaring figure

As far as I know you can claim benefits here if you've worked for two years in any EU country.

If I'm wrong could one of the champagne socialists provide actual evidence to the contrary ?