Hidden Knowledge

espinolman

Why would knowledge be hidden ?

To maintain a monopoly .

To prevent people from being self sufficient so that they are locked into a monetary system .

To maintain control over the populace .

I think there is knowledge and technology which is hidden from us .

namloc1980

Not much to go on here OP. Anything specific / in paticular you are referring to??

PirateShampoo

Like?

How do we know if something is hidden if its hidden?

mysterious

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Like?

How do we know if something is hidden if its hidden?

Because people look for the unknown, where the mainstream does not want you to know. It's how power operates. For example Noahs ark was found but it was classified when it was so. It has been a topical debate through the back door for years. But you will never hear it on mainstream sources. if you don't look and expect other people to tell you, then of course whats hidden will remain hidden, because you made the choice not to take stride outside this reailty to find out whats unknown. Thats the answer and it's pretty simple.


Another one is Human history before 6,000 years ago. Very limited within the mainstream. But if you go out and do your own research and observe your findings you wil find many hidden truths start to come to surface.

For example Atlantis. There is evidence all over the world, and yet we dont hear it in the mainstream. Therefore the general population must assume its a myth because we aren't told by mammy, Daddy, Authority and all the big new networks.


Espinolman has a great OP and it is a great topic.

RoboClam

mysterious wrote: »

Because people look for the unknown, where the mainstream does not want you to know.

Why would they hide this knowledge though?

It's how power operates. For example Noahs ark was found but it was classified when it was so. It has been a topical debate through the back door for years. But you will never hear it on mainstream sources. if you don't look and expect other people to tell you, then of course whats hidden will remain hidden, because you made the choice not to take stride outside this reailty to find out whats unknown. Thats the answer and it's pretty simple.

OK, I'm going to assume you're being serious for a second. Let me ask you, where did you look to find this info? Surely you didn't let someone else tell you it was so? Have you actually stood in front of the ark yourself?

In one breath you tell people not to believe what they hear and to do your own research, then you say something like this. What research did you do? You must have read about this somewhere, in which case you simply choosing to believe what the person writing it has claimed.

Another one is Human history before 6,000 years ago. Very limited within the mainstream. But if you go out and do your own research and observe your findings you wil find many hidden truths start to come to surface.

Once again, going by your logic, I should not believe silly things like well researched history, anthropology or archaeology literature. But, I should do my own research? I should discard the combined work of thousands of experts and do my own research? And what would that entail? Time travel?

For example Atlantis. There is evidence all over the world, and yet we dont hear it in the mainstream. Therefore the general population must assume its a myth because we aren't told by mammy, Daddy, Authority and all the big new networks.

Once again, I have never seen credible evidence for Atlantis, but you have? I assume you did your own research on this aswell. You'll probably tell me that I should just open my mind to these ideas; that my mind is currently closed and I am not free.

But you are just like me, you rely on the work of others to make your assumptions. You disregard my sources, while I disregard yours.

Espinolman has a great OP and it is a great topic.

With every respect to Espinolman, 5 vague sentences does not make a "great" OP.

Run_to_da_hills

There are also subjects and terminology that was once confined to CT Literature, forums and alternative news sites that are now finding their ways into the mainstream media.

A perfect example of this is the New World Order, world government or Globalization.

Of course the mainstream Media will publish much of the bells and whistles about the above just as they done about Lisbon. You will have to dig deeper under the skin to find the truth about this such as the stripping of your civil liberties.

The internet has been a great source for finding alternative news. When we hear of the likes of this threatening to suppress this wonderful source it is time for us to wake up. :eek:

Also when we hear in the media about the prospects of all our communication devices being tapped, bugged or logged into a data base (In the name of fighting so called terrorists :rolleyes:) it is also time to wake up and smell a rat.

me_right_one

There's absolutely nothing stopping you from being self sufficient. Save up a few quid, and go and buy 5 acres of land off whatever family member owns some. Or anyone who's selling some. Then free yourself:)

Hank_Jones

How about the way that the Chrisitan or Muslim God/Gods are the ''true'' Gods yet the Greek Gods are considered to be mythology.

What is that about?

mysterious

RoboClam wrote: »

Why would they hide this knowledge though?



OK, I'm going to assume you're being serious for a second. Let me ask you, where did you look to find this info? Surely you didn't let someone else tell you it was so? Have you actually stood in front of the ark yourself?

In one breath you tell people not to believe what they hear and to do your own research, then you say something like this. What research did you do? You must have read about this somewhere, in which case you simply choosing to believe what the person writing it has claimed.



Once again, going by your logic, I should not believe silly things like well researched history, anthropology or archaeology literature. But, I should do my own research? I should discard the combined work of thousands of experts and do my own research? And what would that entail? Time travel?



Once again, I have never seen credible evidence for Atlantis, but you have? I assume you did your own research on this aswell. You'll probably tell me that I should just open my mind to these ideas; that my mind is currently closed and I am not free.

But you are just like me, you rely on the work of others to make your assumptions. You disregard my sources, while I disregard yours.



With every respect to Espinolman, 5 vague sentences does not make a "great" OP.

Because human beings have a knack of making everything so bloody complicated. We are programmed to solve reality by indepth mathematical equations. We expect reference from education and authority. We wait for Authority to tell us what is. We expect others to show us the way. We expect our governments to disclosre everything.

And yet we all do the same uniform thing, go to school, go to college and do our best to be like everyone else, and anyone who speaks out and wants the truth to be known, will get hunted down.

You haven't seen any credible eveidence, because you heavily depend on a system that IS never going to tell you. 80% of of the evidence is under the sea. But its up to you to find the hidden truth that is on our planet, the hidden history that has always been on our planet and will always show to those who are aware and mastering of their own reality.

Espinolman doesn't need to make it complicated, thats the big part your missing. Espinolman doesn't need to post a big long draft to the ifs buts and whys.

Its through research, communication, intuition, logic, awareness, common sense and experience is how you find out.

Not by relying on education systems.....

mysterious

me_right_one wrote: »

There's absolutely nothing stopping you from being self sufficient. Save up a few quid, and go and buy 5 acres of land off whatever family member owns some. Or anyone who's selling some. Then free yourself:)

Well if your were to think that, how come 2 in half billlion can't buy land and do just that?

Heck if we were to really make it as simplistic as that, you would also know in logic that no elite, royal and leader on this planet own anything. Nobody owns the earth. No matter what you say you cant take the land with you!

And just to add, that extra quid, is printed by someone and their faces aren't at all too pleasant!.

me_right_one

mysterious wrote: »

Well if your were to think that, how come 2 in half billlion can't buy land and do just that?

Yes they can, and they get it for free in most places, handed down through the generations!

mysterious wrote: »

Heck if we were to really make it as simplistic as that, you would also know in logic that no elite, royal and leader on this planet own anything. Nobody owns the earth. No matter what you say you cant take the land with you!

Hmmm, you're catching on:D

mysterious wrote: »

And just to add, that extra quid, is printed by someone and their faces aren't at all too pleasant!.

That "extra quid" is only a media through which we normal people exchange goods and services. Its only paper. How does it matter who prints it?

RoboClam

Get ready for a post full of ifs and buts and whys!

mysterious wrote: »

Because human beings have a knack of making everything so bloody complicated. We are programmed to solve reality by indepth mathematical equations. We expect reference from education and authority. We wait for Authority to tell us what is. We expect others to show us the way. We expect our governments to disclosre everything.

The universe is a complicated thing. IT has a knack of being complicated. Trying to understand how complicated it is requires a somewhat complicated approach.

And yet we all do the same uniform thing, go to school, go to college and do our best to be like everyone else, and anyone who speaks out and wants the truth to be known, will get hunted down.

Hunted? Kind of exaggerating?

You haven't seen any credible eveidence, because you heavily depend on a system that IS never going to tell you. 80% of of the evidence is under the sea. But its up to you to find the hidden truth that is on our planet, the hidden history that has always been on our planet and will always show to those who are aware and mastering of their own reality.

What system do you depend on? How does your system examine the depths of the ocean?

It's not up to me to find it. I'm not some kind of deep sea explorer.

Its through research, communication, intuition, logic, awareness, common sense and experience is how you find out.

You make lists like these very often, but fail to really talk about them.

1. Research: I do research, I don't go to the "media" for it, I do it through peer reviewed papers. Clearly you abhor the education system, so you discredit all of this research with a simple handwave. So should I go to excellent sources such as abovetopsecret for my research? Or should I invent a submarine and go to Atlantis myself?

2. Communication: I'm not sure who you communicate with, so I won't comment.

3. Intuition, logic, awareness, common sense and experience are all subjective. I, like you have intuition, logic, awareness, common sense and experience. But my opinions differ wildly from yours. Everyone on these forums have these traits. You can't keep mentioning these, as they really mean nothing when you take everything into consideration. You use these traits to arrive at your conclusions as does everyone else. It is really only point 1 and 2 that are important.

If I asked an olympic runner how he was so fast and he answered "legs", I wouldn't consider it a great response, because I have legs too.

mysterious

RoboClam wrote: »

Get ready for a post full of ifs and buts and whys!



The universe is a complicated thing. IT has a knack of being complicated. Trying to understand how complicated it is requires a somewhat complicated approach.



Hunted? Kind of exaggerating?



What system do you depend on? How does your system examine the depths of the ocean?

It's not up to me to find it. I'm not some kind of deep sea explorer.



You make lists like these very often, but fail to really talk about them.

1. Research: I do research, I don't go to the "media" for it, I do it through peer reviewed papers. Clearly you abhor the education system, so you discredit all of this research with a simple handwave. So should I go to excellent sources such as abovetopsecret for my research? Or should I invent a submarine and go to Atlantis myself?

2. Communication: I'm not sure who you communicate with, so I won't comment.

3. Intuition, logic, awareness, common sense and experience are all subjective. I, like you have intuition, logic, awareness, common sense and experience. But my opinions differ wildly from yours. Everyone on these forums have these traits. You can't keep mentioning these, as they really mean nothing when you take everything into consideration. You use these traits to arrive at your conclusions as does everyone else. It is really only point 1 and 2 that are important.

If I asked an olympic runner how he was so fast and he answered "legs", I wouldn't consider it a great response, because I have legs too. If he said training, then I'd accept that answer.

The problem and you keep bringing it up about how complicated it is. It's not your making it complicated by following a complicated worn out preocedere. Human beings are complicated. Thats the problem today. We are so complicated in our lives, it makes the fallen ones decieve us even more.


Nature isn't
The Earth isn't it can look after itself
The universe isn't it can look after itself.

The only conscious being on this planet who has issue with existence is human beings, because we have followed a complicated, inbalanced, indocrinatating, controlling system that keeps us locked in a cocoon of whats easy and natural to understand. The embarassing point on that is we are at the mercy of these systems.

Humanity is waking up thankfully and we are not enslaved to these education socities anymore and thank heavens for that.


It's not complicated, because we are not just physical and you cannot understand the universe from only one persepecitive, one point and only from a phyiscal perspective in the above points. It's futile.

RoboClam

mysterious wrote: »

The problem and you keep bringing it up about how complicated it is. It's not your making it complicated by following a complicated worn out preocedere. Human beings are complicated. Thats the problem today. We are so complicated in our lives, it makes the fallen ones decieve us even more.


Nature isn't
The Earth isn't it can look after itself
The universe isn't it can look after itself.

The only conscious being on this planet who has issue with existence is human beings, because we have followed a complicated, inbalanced, indocrinatating, controlling system that keeps us locked in a cocoon of whats easy and natural to understand. The embarassing point on that is we are at the mercy of these systems.

Humanity is waking up thankfully and we are not enslaved to these education socities anymore and thank heavens for that.


It's not complicated, because we are not just physical and you cannot understand the universe from only one persepecitive, one point and only from a phyiscal perspective in the above points. It's futile.

OK, thanks for addressing the first three sentences of my post (kinda).

Undergod

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Like?

How do we know if something is hidden if its hidden?

Like algebra.
Or another example, you can know there are apples in a box, but not know how many cause you can't get it open fully. Or it's obvious that a secret society has rules, but we can't know them cause they're secret.

espinolman

I started this thread here yesterday and part of the reason i started it is i started putting two and two together and went searching on the net and what i was looking for everywhere i looked was deleted . Just deleted !

namloc1980

espinolman wrote: »

I started this thread here yesterday and part of the reason i started it is i started putting two and two together and went searching on the net and what i was looking for everywhere i looked was deleted . Just deleted !

what were you looking for?

PirateShampoo

espinolman wrote: »

I started this thread here yesterday and part of the reason i started it is i started putting two and two together and went searching on the net and what i was looking for everywhere i looked was deleted . Just deleted !

4?

Your not making much sense.

me_right_one

Expand more on why you think people cant be self sufficient OP, I'm intrigued....

PirateShampoo

Undergod wrote: »

Like algebra.
Or another example, you can know there are apples in a box, but not know how many cause you can't get it open fully. Or it's obvious that a secret society has rules, but we can't know them cause they're secret.

But you can see the box, you touch it, you can see the apples.

Now i have the meaning of life writen down in a dark room, theres no light, you cant see it and cant find it to touch it, but you have my word that its in there. Do you belive me?

Undergod

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But you can see the box, you touch it, you can see the apples.

Now i have the meaning of life writen down in a dark room, theres no light, you cant see it and cant find it to touch it, but you have my word that its in there. Do you belive me?

I was only saying we can be aware there are some things we don't know. Known unkowns and all the rest.

espinolman

me_right_one wrote: »

Expand more on why you think people cant be self sufficient OP, I'm intrigued....

Well some of the technology they could do with to be self sufficient is suppressed , for example electricity was supposed to be free , i mean we never had to burn oil and fossil fuels to have power and they have known that since over a hundred years now .

You really need power to be self sufficient , if want water you need to drill a well and pump the water up , you need electricity for that and wind and solar power is a joke , there is not always wind and there is not always sunshine .

me_right_one

espinolman wrote: »

Well some of the technology they could do with to be self sufficient is suppressed , for example electricity was supposed to be free , i mean we never had to burn oil and fossil fuels to have power and they have known that since over a hundred years now .

You really need power to be self sufficient , if want water you need to drill a well and pump the water up , you need electricity for that and wind and solar power is a joke , there is not always wind and there is not always sunshine .

What are you talking about? Energy cant just be made, it has to come from somewhere. Who knew how to make free electricity?

And no, you dont need electricity whatsoever to be self sufficient. Rural Ireland was only electrified in the 1960's, how do you think people survived before that? Whats wrong with digging a well by hand and fecking a bucket on a rope into it to get your water? And how do you think they build the pyramids? There were no tower cranes in 2300bc!

RoboClam

me_right_one wrote: »

What are you talking about? Energy cant just be made, it has to come from somewhere. Who knew how to make free electricity?

And no, you dont need electricity whatsoever to be self sufficient. Rural Ireland was only electrified in the 1960's, how do you think people survived before that? Whats wrong with digging a well by hand and fecking a bucket on a rope into it to get your water? And how do you think they build the pyramids? There were no tower cranes in 2300bc!

Take your pesky laws of thermodynamics and leave! They're not wanted here.

Don't ask how they built the pyramids, please don't go down that road.

mysterious

RoboClam wrote: »

Take your pesky laws of thermodynamics and leave! They're not wanted here.

Don't ask how they built the pyramids, please don't go down that road.

Hes entitled to his beliefs and his opinion on his position. You may not agree with it, but thats not the point, the point is we all have different views.

I beleive the pyramids go back millions of years.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i believe the pyramids were built yesterday, it's the only answer tha makes sense. before december 23 2009 the technology just didn't exist to move blocks of stone that big.

indough

espinolman wrote: »

there is not always wind and there is not always sunshine .

isnt that what batteries are for?

gizmo

mysterious wrote: »

I beleive the pyramids go back millions of years.

So I take it you don't believe in carbon dating at all then, no?

aurelius79

me_right_one wrote: »

What are you talking about? Energy cant just be made, it has to come from somewhere. Who knew how to make free electricity?

There once was a great man by the name of Nikola Tesla. He did many wonderful things with electricity but unfortunately he will never be as well known as the men who profited from Tesla's inventions. The end of this video also fits in nicely with the idea of "hidden knowledge", suppression of knowledge to be precise.

indough

he was no doubt a genius but a lot of the stories about him were made up

aurelius79

gizmo wrote: »

So I take it you don't believe in carbon dating at all then, no?

Stone can not be accurately carbon dated. In fact, I don't think you can carbon date stone at all.

aurelius79

indough wrote: »

he was no doubt a genius but a lot of the stories about him were made up

Such as?

indough

aurelius79 wrote: »

Such as?

the ones where he did impossible things like create free energy

gizmo

aurelius79 wrote: »

Stone can not be accurately carbon dated. In fact, I don't think you can carbon date stone at all.

True, however that does not stop you from carbon dating tools found at the site, contents of the pyramids or sand/soil samples.

That being said, I believe radiometric dating techniques work on stone. My knowledge of them is limited however so unfortunately I can't comment.

indough

it has to be from somehing which was once living afaik, the pyramids were dated from wooden tools etc

aurelius79

indough wrote: »

the ones where he did impossible things like create free energy

I'm not sure what you mean by free energy. Solar energy is free, hydroelectric energy is free, geothermal, wind, tidal....it's all "free".

aurelius79

gizmo wrote: »

True, however that does not stop you from carbon dating tools found at the site, contents of the pyramids or sand/soil samples.

That being said, I believe radiometric dating techniques work on stone. My knowledge of them is limited however so unfortunately I can't comment.

I actually stumbled upon a great site about the Great Pyramid a few months ago. Some of the mathematics involved are mind boggling, some would argue impossible for a relatively primitive race with no supercomputers.

http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html

Scroll down about halfway to geophysical and astronomical relations.

indough

aurelius79 wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean by free energy. Solar energy is free, hydroelectric energy is free, geothermal, wind, tidal....it's all "free".

no its not

youre thinking of renemwable energy

aurelius79

indough wrote: »

no its not

Usually when someone refutes a claim they provide some sort of opinion or evidence to support their opinion. I have no idea what you mean by "free energy". As far as I'm concerned, all the energy sources I referred to are free. When they are not harnessed, all that energy is wasted.

Edit: Renewable energy is free energy.

indough

they are not free energy, they are renewable energy

free energy has nothing to do with the cost, it means creating energy out of nothing

indough

aurelius79 wrote: »

Edit: Renewable energy is free energy.

no it isnt

aurelius79

indough wrote: »

they are not free energy, they are renewable energy

free energy has nothing to do with the cost, it means creating energy out of nothing

Why would you need to create energy out of nothing? Energy is all around us in various forms. Energy is what created the universe and everything in it. It is up to us to identify that energy and harness it. This was the mission of Nikola Tesla and others like him. He may have found a method of harnessing energy that resulted in a surplus, meaning more energy was released than was needed to harness it.

indough

he may also have woken up one day with the ability to shoot lightning bolts out of his fingertips, but i have no proof that he did so it would be irrelevant for me to bring up the possibility wouldnt it

and its not possible to create energy

aurelius79

indough wrote: »

and its not possible to create energy

Many things that were once considered impossible are now very possible. Sailing around the world would be one right off the top of my head.

indough

aurelius79 wrote: »

Many things that were once considered impossible are now very possible. Sailing around the world would be one right off the top of my head.

sailing doesnt break the laws of thermodynamics though

when was sailing around the world considered impossible?

aurelius79

indough wrote: »

sailing doesnt break the laws of thermodynamics though

The laws of thermodynamics are based on human understanding of the universe, which is still incredibly limited. Scientific theories are disproved all the time.

indough wrote: »

when was sailing around the world considered impossible?

When it was scientific fact that the world was flat.

indough

aurelius79 wrote: »

The laws of thermodynamics are based on human understanding of the universe, which is still incredibly limited. Scientific theories are disproved all the time.

show me proof that the laws of thermodynamics are breakable then i'll start listening to you

its not a theory either

aurelius79 wrote: »

When it was scientific fact that the world was flat.

this was never the case, its a myth

aurelius79

indough wrote: »

show me proof that the laws of thermodynamics are breakable then i'll start listening to you

its not a theory either

Everything in science is a theory, because scientists believe there is always a possibility that "facts" can be proven to be false. Just because I cannot prove that the laws of thermodynamics can be broken does not mean they never will.

indough wrote: »

this was never the case, its a myth

Actually, many ancient cultures believed that the earth was flat and the sky was round. The idea of a round earth didn't come around until the time of ancient Greece.

indough

aurelius79 wrote: »

Everything in science is a theory, because scientists believe there is always a possibility that "facts" can be proven to be false. Just because I cannot prove that the laws of thermodynamics can be broken does not mean they never will.

you are rambling now

there is a clear definitive difference between a scientific theory and a scientific law

aurelius79 wrote: »

Actually, many ancient cultures believed that the earth was flat and the sky was round. The idea of a round earth didn't come around until the time of ancient Greece.

i dont really know what youre basing this on because its simply not true, it was never considered a scientific fact that the earth was flat

Undergod

"Fact" isn't a fully accurate word for scientific models in the first placee.

The world was never considered to be flat, since Classical times at least. Before that, the Babylonians (I think) figured out the earth was round becuase it always casts a circular shadow on the sun.

But aurelius' point is still true, it was considered impossible to sail around the world because it was believed no ship could cross the Pacific with enough supplies to last the whole journey. But Magellan proved that wrong! And then took a spear in the face.

On the free energy thing, the term is usually used to mean energy that comes from nowhere, rather than energy without any monetary cost. Tesla never to my knowledge created a free energy device, but I think there may have been something about using the electricity in the earth itself. Anyone know more about that?
Under this definition, no energy is free, not tidal or solar or anything. Besides, using solar power to generate electricity means less will heat the earth, using wind generators will decrease the force of the wind (even if it's negligible, it's still there), and hydroelectric power will take energy out of the river.

Undergod

Undergod wrote: »

"Fact" isn't a fully accurate word for scientific models in the first placee.

But certain parts of the model can be described as fact.
Such as the fact of gravity.

Undergod wrote: »

The world was never considered to be flat, since Classical times at least. Before that, the Babylonians (I think) figured out the earth was round becuase it always casts a circular shadow on the sun.

They had even calculated quite accurately the circumference of the earth by 200 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

Undergod wrote: »

Tesla never to my knowledge created a free energy device, but I think there may have been something about using the electricity in the earth itself. Anyone know more about that?

I think this has more to do with Tesla's experiments in wireless transmission of electricity.
The claim being that if a power grid with such a method where built, the electricity would be free.

What's sad is to see people have such poor understanding of science but still think they are able to declare it invalid.

Yes, any scientific theory can be proved wrong. But you can't do it by just saying "it could be wrong".
The only way older theories are supplanted is when a new theory is presented and is supported by evidence and experiments.

When people claim "hidden knowledge" they're usually using that as an excuse to exclude their ideas from critical inquiry.