Man stabbed in tip connected to feud here... (Mod Warning Post #1)

jo06555

Heard on radio it was connected to traveller feud in the city , we are not hearing alot from wlr lately on this, but iv heard its all kicked off again , serious incident happened out in chip shop in lismore last week and then another in johns pk , now we have the first casualty ,

Will this now start to get out of control???
Says below 2 from waterford detained over it.

http://www.rte.ie/aertel/105-01.html

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Mod Note:
If you feel the need to go insulting the travelling community in Waterford, certain areas of Waterford, or certain people in Waterford (add your own minorities to this list), whether it be using derogatory terms, insults, slurs, or the like - expect a ban.

If the comments are specific to the person who committed the act, then fair enough but lets try tone down the expression of anger.

Thanks.

chrism2007

vermin filth bags is all they are

jo06555

Sully wrote: »

Mod Note:
I was wondering how long it would take.

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Ye it was coming all right , i think this may become out of hand now if their is more retaliation to come here , im hearing some of the guys involved on both sides are not to be messed with and i suppose this tragic incident proves it.

anplaya

jo06555 wrote: »

Ye it was coming all right , i think this may become out of hand now if their is more retaliation to come here , im hearing some of the guys involved on both sides are not to be messed with and i suppose this tragic incident proves it.

messed with?anyone can pick up a knife or a gun and stab or shoot someone.doesnt matter how big or wide they are.cowards hunt in packs.

regarding the waterford part it could be in any part of waterford, carrick etc, doesnt necessary mean it has anything to do with the feud going on here.

jo06555

anplaya wrote: »

regarding the waterford part it could be in any part of waterford, carrick etc, doesnt necessary mean it has anything to do with the feud going on here.

IV heard from reliable source it is and that a number of their cars have bein taken away too in one part of the city ,so thats what im baseing my points on. I could say more but id prefer not to on here as after all its not confirmed.

anplaya

jo06555 wrote: »

IV heard from reliable source it is and that a number of their cars have bein taken away too in one part of the city ,so thats what im baseing my points on. I could say more but id prefer not to on here as after all its not confirmed.

exactly,its just talk at this stage.reliable sources ?like what, neighbours etc?gossip everywhere sure.wouldnt believe it till it comes from the horses mouth.as ya said nothings confirmed.

jo06555

anplaya wrote: »

exactly,its just talk at this stage.reliable sources ?like what, neighbours etc?gossip everywhere sure.wouldnt believe it till it comes from the horses mouth.as ya said nothings confirmed.

Well all i can say is im not a nosey neighbour i have friends who would be close to travellers "who mostly are decent" and they find out things quickly , rte news have said gardai are saying its related to ongoing waterford feud just now, iv bein told a certain family and the people arrested so im not just goin on gossip off the street by a neighbour if you think i am . plus wlr rte ect will not and for recent months waterford media especially have taken steps back from covering anything that has happened in feud , i do not know why but its serious enough to be of interest to some people here who may be worried , maybe gardai have told them to not give them so much coverage incase in fuels it.

steven22

the tipp incident IS related to what happened in Brennans last week. A Stokes was stabbed in Brennans and a Stokes was stabbed in Tipp (not mentioning names, RTE did that )

jo06555

steven22 wrote: »

the tipp incident IS related to what happened in Brennans last week. A Stokes was stabbed in Brennans and a Stokes was stabbed in Tipp (not mentioning names, RTE did that )

yes , we shall find out more in days to come if someone is charged i suppose . but i do not think this will be the last of it after first death im afraid it may just get worse now. gardai will be very busy over xmas watching over things.

JohnC.

Who the hell thought it would be over by printing a picture of them shaking hands on a paper?

Asmodean

It's rotten carry on alright. People that carry on like that should all be shipped off to a big Island and let them kick the **** out of each other and do the world a favour I say. Scum of the earth.

dashboard_hula

It's horrible...I'm from Tipp Town, and I heard the man who died was described as a gentleman who stayed out of all that feuding etc, all his life, and that the alleged attackers may have actually gotten the wrong guy.

ziedth

Very sad end to the year,

We all know the backlash the horse incident caused so i'd this will really blow it up.

Sully, just to clarify are we not allowed call anyone scumbags are just anyone involved with this feud?

ROCKMAN

What ever we think , Someone has buried a son , brother ,father etc , A little bit of human dignity at this moment would not be to bad .

Sully

ziedth wrote: »

Sully, just to clarify are we not allowed call anyone scumbags are just anyone involved with this feud?

Its more the focus on travelers. We have a few on the board who tend to be very unhappy if we let comments like that slide so its a strict policy against the behavior. Since this is a traveler feud, I know peoples comments are directed more so at them then those who committed the act. The last thing I want is a repeat of people coming on here defending them and havoc being created again. But, I see your point, so we will probably have to look at a more balanced way.

jo06555

ROCKMAN wrote: »

What ever we think , Someone has buried a son , brother ,father etc , A little bit of human dignity at this moment would not be to bad .

YE , according to gardai in tip mr stokes was a gentleman and never in trouble , which makes this attack so much worse as he was innocent i cant bare to think what would or will happen to people directly involved in attacks or feud,

R.I.P to "as you said someones" son , brother ,father etc at such a bad time now .

dlofnep

This is ridiculous behaviour. They need to really let bygones be bygones, too many people are getting hurt. The new death will only increase the anger and hatred between the families. This isn't going to end anytime soon. Expect it all to escalate off again.

Does anyone know if this is the first death? I know there have been serious injuries and stabbings, but not sure if anyone died prior to this.

jo06555

http://www.wlrfm.com/tabId/503/itemId/3453/Waterford-feud-could-return-after-Tipperary-death.aspx

seems to be the latest news ,

jo06555

dlofnep wrote: »

This is ridiculous behaviour. They need to really let bygones be bygones, too many people are getting hurt. The new death will only increase the anger and hatred between the families. This isn't going to end anytime soon. Expect it all to escalate off again.

Does anyone know if this is the first death? I know there have been serious injuries and stabbings, but not sure if anyone died prior to this.

IM nearly sure this is the first death , many other serious incidents have happenned including slashings and hatchet attacks ect , im sure some serious injurys have bein inflicted but i think this is first death which is worrying.

dlofnep

Terrible that his poor son had to see it.

ziedth

I'm on the mobile site sully and I can't seem to quote ya but that's grand it would be good to have a black and white rule cause I know myself that I could call someone who committed a crime scum on here without any thought of their heritage, just because it was a scumbag act

Anyway, this is all the worse as it appears that the man who died was said to be an honest man. Gonna be a ****ty christmass to be a guard imo.

whittler

ok, this Is from the horses mouth, the son of the man attacked last week in the chipper was arrested for the murder of willie stokes, he was released today as he proved he was elsewhere, the wife and 2 daughter in laws of the man attacked are still being held for with holding information.

jo06555

whittler wrote: »

ok, this Is from the horses mouth, the son of the man attacked last week in the chipper was arrested for the murder of willie stokes, he was released today as he proved he was elsewhere, the wife and 2 daughter in laws of the man attacked are still being held for with holding information.

IS their still 4 bein held this evening? i did hear the same in relation to man attacked last week , i taught most of them arrested were in waterford were they?

Sully

Sully wrote: »

Its more the focus on travelers. We have a few on the board who tend to be very unhappy if we let comments like that slide so its a strict policy against the behavior. Since this is a traveler feud, I know peoples comments are directed more so at them then those who committed the act. The last thing I want is a repeat of people coming on here defending them and havoc being created again. But, I see your point, so we will probably have to look at a more balanced way.

I have edited the very first post to clarify this. Should make it clearer.

Asmodean

All I can say is that I hope that this situation will be resolved again, at least for a while, without any more tragedies. Terrible situation for the families especially at this time of year.

BlaasForRafa

Sully wrote: »

Its more the focus on travelers. We have a few on the board who tend to be very unhappy if we let comments like that slide so its a strict policy against the behavior. Since this is a traveler feud, I know peoples comments are directed more so at them then those who committed the act. The last thing I want is a repeat of people coming on here defending them and havoc being created again. But, I see your point, so we will probably have to look at a more balanced way.

In the last couple of years there have been feuds in Waterford, Kerry and Castlebar and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head.

You are quite right in saying that the more extreme views need to be reined in but something fundamental needs to change in the traveller culture and outlook. Anyone reasonable realises that 90% of travellers are not involved but the ones that are have a totally disproportionate affect on society.

The fact also that in cases like the car ramming last year the prosecutions fall apart leads to a lack of confidence from the settled community that cases involving travellers will come to a just solution.

A discussion on the broader topics involving travellers desperately needs to happen in this country but any time it does, views get polarised and then the pavee point and equality crew get involved on the other side.

Anyway I'm sorry to hear about Mr Stokes, from the news reports he was an innocent party who happened to belong to a family involved in this feud.

jo06555

Really is terrible mr stokes a innocent man murdered for what reports say having links with rival family , iv not heard who or what family he was married into? but maybe its one of other major names we have bein hearing , i knew after the attack in lismore chip shop last week that it would not take long for a retaliation , i just wonder how far it will go now , anyway heres monday mornings headlines on it. and once again most of all r.i.p mr stokes.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1221/1224261043648.html

Not The Real Scarecrow

Its terrible alright, but this is what happens when either the poilce or the justice system fails the community as a whole, innocent people end up getting hurt, or in this case killed. I can't possibly imagine what his has done to the son who witnessed it. Regardless of who they are or what's going on, I really think the focus should be on the son. The terrible thing about all this is that its just going to drag other people into a feud looking for revenge and I find it very doubtful that it will ever be resolved.

Hoffmans

whittler wrote: »

ok, this Is from the horses mouth, the son of the man attacked last week in the chipper was arrested for the murder of willie stokes, he was released today as he proved he was elsewhere, the wife and 2 daughter in laws of the man attacked are still being held for with holding information.

what horse told ya that a pieball or teaser?

nearly had it "was son of man who attacked da man in chippe with the axe of warcraft, who got lifted for the tipp thing"

wouldnt it make a great online game all tis carry on with those tossers?

whittler

yes they wereall from waterford, 2 of them were those that were rammin in the car last year

jo06555

whittler wrote: »

yes they wereall from waterford, 2 of them were those that were rammin in the car last year

Any idea on what people willie stokes were involved with who were in feud im thinking maybe he was married into other feuding familiy or something ? Could be wrong , strange like rte reported a stokes gets attacked in lismore and if connected another stokes is murdered in what seems retaliation on a innocent person , maybe its to get at someone , im sure it will now become tit for tat with eachother hopefully not.

whittler

he was one of the dirty dozen as there called, god rest him

Hoffmans

the dirty dozen was'nt that charles bronson and lee marvin ??

heard theyre getting the helicopter down for the funeral.....

so from belfast to tipp to west waterford and city the web of evil ethnics thrives.....

like how many went up the river for all the craic round the deise last summer .....
only one for playing bumpers with a lexus on john st..
the rest got slots on various tabloid rags page 3 pinups, eh..........:rolleyes:

gscully

I can barely understand a word in this thread. Has it become a training thread for illiterates? :mad:

As serious a topic it is, I think I'll avoid this thread from now on so that I don't have a migraine for Christmas...

jo06555

whittler wrote: »

he was one of the dirty dozen as there called, god rest him

Ah ye thats the name a friend told me was on them , iv bein told they would be as mad as any of them , gardai will be busy, is the funeral on today ye? Iv not heard much more on this in relation to the arrests either surely if they had someone for it they could go ahead and charge them.

seanybiker

Dirty dozen? Ha ha who do they think they are the fecking mafia or something.

jo06555

ALL five arrested over the murder have bein released without charge :rolleyes: looks like that was waste of time maybe , we shall all just wait and see if we see more trouble in days ahead.

Deisekickboxing

gscully wrote: »

I can barely understand a word in this thread. Has it become a training thread for illiterates? :mad:

As serious a topic it is, I think I'll avoid this thread from now on so that I don't have a migraine for Christmas...

out of the loop ? better off.................

irishvamp90

Alot of them travellers went around south limerick trying to get served in pubs the day of the funeral

BlaasForRafa

jo06555 wrote: »

ALL five arrested over the murder have bein released without charge :rolleyes: looks like that was waste of time maybe , we shall all just wait and see if we see more trouble in days ahead.

witnesses suddenly "lost" their memories I guess, the usual...

Paddy Boy

What a sad, terrible tragedy to have happened to such a wonderful man.

I knew Willie Stokes and can emphatically state that he was one of the nicest people one could possibly meet. He was, of course, related to some of those apparently involved in the ongoing feud, but he personally was not part of it and was only interested in living a peaceful existence with his wife and four young children.

It appears that he was targeted because he was considered easy to reach, which demonstrates just how far removed from the feud he actually was; ironically, if he'd been involved he'd probably have been more guarded against reprisals.

God rest his soul.

irishvamp90

Well travellers have a bad name with all the violence,dodgy trading,getting goverment handouts,not paying tax etc for such a small "ethnic group"so you cant blame people for being very weary of them

Paddy Boy

irishvamp90 wrote: »

Well travellers have a bad name with all the violence,dodgy trading,getting goverment handouts,not paying tax etc for such a small "ethnic group"so you cant blame people for being very weary of them

People are "weary" out of ignorance. It is, after all, but a small percentage of Travellers who carry out the unlawful things you mention, the vast majority are as law abiding as anyone else on this island of ours.

It’s unfortunate some wish to use the reporting of this tragedy to emphasise only negative aspects of my community.

Willie Stokes was an upstanding member of the whole community of Tipperary, not just among Travellers. He was hugely respected by everyone who knew him and his death leaves a great sadness with those of us who were fortunate enough to have known him.

This innocent, decent man was murdered while his 11 year old son looked on helplessly. Now, other innocent people die in similar horrendous incidences all the time, but it just so happens that on this occasion it’s someone from the Travelling Community and as a result yet another opportunity is presented for those with anti-Traveller leanings to jump at the chance to advance their views.

seanybiker

tis always the way paddy. Same really that people only talk about cops not doing this and that but never talk about the good that they do do. I didnt know willie meself. From what I hear he was sound. I have drank with plenty of travellers over the years and most of then where sound. Some where tools but sure so are loads of the "settled" people.

Magnum

Rest In Peace Willie Stokes.....I saw his grave Christmas Eve, This guy was liked by the traveler and settled people alike......

Hoffmans

these bohyos were no relation then

of a similar deed

jo06555

Hoffmans wrote: »

these bohyos were no relation then

of a similar deed

Not sure , i suppose they may have their own feud goin up their but im sure they are all in contact with each other as most travellers are ,

I heard from a mate last week ,he was in bar on barrack st and a load of travellers kicked off cops took bout ten min to arrive ended up bein brawl outside with pool cues , i actually think it was night of funeral of mr stokes ,so may be connected somehow , but cops took their time apparently they all met up somewhere to go together , i suppose ye could not blame them.