Smelly smokers!

qwert2

It's bad enough passing by the collection of smokers outside the library every time you go out for a bit of fresh air, but what's more annoying is when the person sitting next to you in the library comes back from their smoking break smelling like a chimney. Revolting! What a turn off too

scop

Do you want them to start conforming to how you want them to smell?

Plus you banned them from smoking inside and your pissed that they smoke outside?

What exactly do you want? That they smoke on the moon and then get doused in Chanel? Get a grip.

qwert2

scop wrote: »

Do you want them to start conforming to how you want them to smell?

Plus you banned them from smoking inside and your pissed that they smoke outside?

What exactly do you want? That they smoke on the moon and then get doused in Chanel? Get a grip.

I guarentee you in 30 years time we will be looking back saying how the **** did we tolerate smoking. It's disgusting

vote4pedro

You sound like the type of person who would ring the Joe Duffy phone show.

Lab_Mouse

qwert2 wrote: »

I guarentee you in 30 years time we will be looking back saying how the **** did we tolerate smoking. It's disgusting

nah you won't.You'll 30 years older and stil be whinging about it on internet forums.

If you want people to agree with you,you should post up on ranting and raving.

Im an ex smoker,smell drives me mad but I believe in freedom of choice,other peoples bodies,other peoples choice

Riamfada

Have you ever considered that you might smell or that the cheap lynx you use to cover it might be even more offensive ?

Evolute

I'm a smoker and to be honest I think non smokers like the OP should get off their high horse would you prefer the person sitting beside you to smell of BO and dog crap?
Oh and if your looking for fresh air go to somewhere the smokers don't congragate

jamser89

qwert2 wrote: »

It's bad enough passing by the collection of smokers outside the library every time you go out for a bit of fresh air, but what's more annoying is when the person sitting next to you in the library comes back from their smoking break smelling like a chimney. Revolting! What a turn off too

Fair play. Outside the Arts Building is worse!

Notorious

In fairness, it is a bit annoying just walking out the front door of the library (or the arts block too), and being hit by a wall of smoke. That's coming from someone who isn't a smoking nazi.

Riamfada

Im sure it is irritating but its a fact of life. Build a bridge

Evolute

Notorious wrote: »

In fairness, it is a bit annoying just walking out the front door of the library (or the arts block too), and being hit by a wall of smoke. That's coming from someone who isn't a smoking nazi.

It must be annoying but it is outdoors and the non smokers did manage to claim indoors.

The OP seems to want smoking banned in general.
All I can say to that is Best of Luck To Ya Buddy because If you think you and a few others being annoyed by it will have smokers going else where you happen to be mad as a bag of spiders

qwert2

Evolute wrote: »

It must be annoying but it is outdoors and the non smokers did manage to claim indoors.

The OP seems to want smoking banned in general.
All I can say to that is Best of Luck To Ya Buddy because If you think you and a few others being annoyed by it will have smokers going else where you happen to be mad as a bag of spiders

Ha ha, "the non smokers did manage to claim indoors". You're having a laugh. I'm afraid you can't compete with that sort of mentality. Well at the end of the day it's the smokers who pay ridiculous amount of money for cigarettes and who more than likely (hopefully not) will suffer from poor health in later life.

Riamfada

qwert2 wrote: »

Ha ha, "the non smokers did manage to claim indoors". You're having a laugh. I'm afraid you can't compete with that sort of mentality. Well at the end of the day it's the smokers who pay ridiculous amount of money for cigarettes and who more than likely (hopefully not) will suffer from poor health in later life.

Im sure cancer and a horrid painful death makes up for a few moments of nasal discomfort?

dr.bollocko

qwert2 wrote: »

Ha ha, "the non smokers did manage to claim indoors". You're having a laugh. I'm afraid you can't compete with that sort of mentality. Well at the end of the day it's the smokers who pay ridiculous amount of money for cigarettes and who more than likely (hopefully not) will suffer from poor health in later life.

They also look cool. And always have something to do while waiting for a bus. And it's great for striking up conversations with people in pubs. The kind of people that complain about smokers smoking outside in designated smoking areas are the kind of people that voted for Jedward in the X factor, call Joe Duffy and vote for Fianna Fail.

mloc

I agree it's annoying, but if someone wants to smell horrible it's largely their loss.

St. Vincent's Hospital has taken it to its ultimate conclusion and banned smoking throughout the entire hospital campus, indoors and out. Very much doubt that would work in UCD.

I don't smoke, but sure, once we are taxing it massively, banning it in indoor areas and generally not promoting it, whatever.

Raphael

Notorious wrote: »

In fairness, it is a bit annoying just walking out the front door of the library (or the arts block too), and being hit by a wall of smoke. That's coming from someone who isn't a smoking nazi.

Use other doors, there are many, and they're usually closer to your destination than the main one. I only use that door If I'm going to or from admin.

Also, if you dislike what the OP is saying, I would strongly suggest you say that what he is saying is stupid, not that he is. One is debating a point, the other is personal abuse. One of those 2 things is banned.

Hint: It's the second one.

KeyLimePie

actually i think in 30 years time there'll be a cure for cancer so everyone will be smoking really, and on the smell well my boyfriend is a smoker so no problem there :P

now excuse me while i go for a smoke...

Notorious

Raphael wrote: »

...if you dislike I what the OP is saying...

Ugh, that typo is hurting my head!

I also want to clarify that I called nobody nothing, capice?

Raphael

Notorious wrote: »

Ugh, that typo is hurting my head!

I also want to clarify that I called nobody nothing, capice?

What the..?

Where the hell did that I come from?

Breezer

dr.bollocko wrote: »

The kind of people that complain about smokers smoking outside in designated smoking areas are the kind of people that voted for Jedward in the X factor, call Joe Duffy and vote for Fianna Fail.

Jedward wreck my head, Joe Duffy wrecks it more and I vote for Fine Gael. I agree with the OP, the smell is disgusting (and I've a crap sense of smell, I can only imagine what it's like for people with a decent one), as is walking through clouds of smoke outside every door in the country.

mloc wrote: »

St. Vincent's Hospital has taken it to its ultimate conclusion and banned smoking throughout the entire hospital campus, indoors and out. Very much doubt that would work in UCD.

Most likely not since it doesn't work in Vincent's either.

Raphael wrote: »

Use other doors, there are many, and they're usually closer to your destination than the main one.

Why should non-smokers should go out of their way to avoid having clouds of poisonous gas blown in their faces? If I wanted to get to the library coming from, say, Science, I'd have to either walk to the far end or the far side of the Arts block to avoid it. Would it not make more sense to provide a designated smoking area away from main entrances to buildings, as they did at Health Sciences?

rainbow kirby

Breezer wrote: »

Why should non-smokers should go out of their way to avoid having clouds of poisonous gas blown in their faces?

+1

Raphael

Breezer wrote: »

Jedward wreck my head, Joe Duffy wrecks it more and I vote for Fine Gael. I agree with the OP, the smell is disgusting (and I've a crap sense of smell, I can only imagine what it's like for people with a decent one), as is walking through clouds of smoke outside every door in the country.

Most likely not since it doesn't work in Vincent's either.

Why should non-smokers should go out of their way to avoid having clouds of poisonous gas blown in their faces? If I wanted to get to the library coming from, say, Science, I'd have to either walk to the far end or the far side of the Arts block to avoid it. Would it not make more sense to provide a designated smoking area away from main entrances to buildings, as they did at Health Sciences?

I was mainly referring to the Arts block on the multiple doors thing. I've never personally had a problem with smokers outside the library - it's a high roofed, well ventilated area.

Also, I find that holding ones breath momentarily when passing through the smoky areas works fine, if you're very bothered about second hand smoke.

Maebh

Some of my dearest memories of UCD were standing outside Arts sharing a smoke with my friends...

I'll smoke, I'll cough, I'll get the cancer, I'll die. You happy?

dr.bollocko

Maebh wrote: »

Some of my dearest memories of UCD were standing outside Arts sharing a smoke with my friends...

I'll smoke, I'll cough, I'll get the cancer, I'll die. You happy?

Only if the nurses febreeze you on the way out apparently.

Breezer

Raphael wrote: »

Also, I find that holding ones breath momentarily when passing through the smoky areas works fine, if you're very bothered about second hand smoke.

I do. That doesn't mean I should have to. If there was a line of dog crap 1 inch deep stretching across the door, I could easily step over that too, but I bet I'm not the only one who'd find it disgusting.

Man_bear_pig

dont mind the smoking myself but what p*sses me off most is that smokers just seem to drop the end of the smoke on the ground and walk off when they specifically put cigarette bins beside the library doors. is it that difficult to put it in the bin?

fillefatale

I never really found it a problem when I was a non smoker, they tend to sit on the wall or against the arts café, its not as if there's a mass group of them huddled around the doors.

There's a lot of things I don't like, such as people with BO who sit beside you on buses, but you gotta get over it and move on. There's other doors as well where the smokers don't tend to sit. If its that repulsive to you there's always them because the smokers ain't budging. Its the norm.

Raphael

The distinction there is that there isn;t a large demographic of students who have a need to spread dog **** around.

As a matter of interest, where in the area of the library entrance could you put a smokers area?

Notorious

Raphael wrote: »

As a matter of interest, where in the area of the library entrance could you put a smokers area?

I think the grassy area on the far side of the lake would be perfect

Riamfada

Notorious wrote: »

I think the grassy area on the far side of the lake would be perfect

We get it, non smokers are better humans.

Breezer

Raphael wrote: »

The distinction there is that there isn;t a large demographic of students who have a need to spread dog **** around.

As a matter of interest, where in the area of the library entrance could you put a smokers area?

There isn't a large demographic of students who have a need to smoke either. A want yes, a compulsion yes, but not a need. And dogs have to crap somewhere, same as smokers supposedly have to smoke somewhere, but if they were let do that outside the library or Arts there'd be war.

You could put one round the back of the library, near the delivery area, plenty of space there and not many people walking by.

fillefatale wrote: »

the smokers ain't budging. Its the norm.

It was the norm to smoke in pubs 5 years ago. About the only good thing that government ever did.

Grimes wrote: »

We get it, non smokers are better humans.

Nah, just better in bed

Notorious

Grimes wrote: »

We get it, non smokers are better humans.

Give me a boost up onto my pedestal, will ya?

Breezer

Notorious wrote: »

Give me a boost up onto my pedestal, will ya?

Come join me on my high horse instead, the view is even better :pac:

Raphael

Breezer wrote: »

There isn't a large demographic of students who have a need to smoke either. A want yes, a compulsion yes, but not a need. And dogs have to crap somewhere, same as smokers supposedly have to smoke somewhere, but if they were let do that outside the library or Arts there'd be war.

You could put one round the back of the library, near the delivery area, plenty of space there and not many people walking by.

It was the norm to smoke in pubs 5 years ago. About the only good thing that government ever did.

Nah, just better in bed

They have a chemical addiction to nicotine, failing to indulge in which will cause them significant difficulties. Especially seeing as it's exam time atm, when people are stressed to all hell and could really use the relaxant of nicotine, and do without withdrawl.

Also, the dog argument doesn't hold up. There's the odd dog walker I've seen around campus, but not usually in that area. However there's a significant percentage of students and staff who smoke.

As regards around the back of the library as a smoking area, I've seen people use it - mainly staff. Reckon they'd be pissed if everyone came down there... Irregardless, the idea of making a designated smoking area there begs the question: Why should the smokers have to walk all the way around the building rather than you just holding your breath for 2 seconds as you enter or leave the building.

I don't have any of the data to make a statement like this proper, but I'd suspect that based on the number of people who step outside the library for a smoke on a day to day basis, the number of people who go into or out of the main library door on a day to day basis, and the number of them who are pissed off about the fact that people are smoking there, it would require a hell of a lot less effort for those people to just not inhale when passing through than it would for all those smokers to have to go the whole way around to the back of the building when they wanted a smoke.

Breezer

Raphael wrote: »

They have a chemical addiction to nicotine, failing to indulge in which will cause them significant difficulties. Especially seeing as it's exam time atm, when people are stressed to all hell and could really use the relaxant of nicotine, and do without withdrawl.

My heart bleeds. The health service could do with them withdrawing from their addiction permanently. Whatever difficulties they have with that are nothing compared to the effects they and others will suffer in the future as a result of their habit. I'm not even asking them to do that though, I'm asking them to have enough respect for other people to walk a few extra metres.

Also, the dog argument doesn't hold up. There's the odd dog walker I've seen around campus, but not usually in that area. However there's a significant percentage of students and staff who smoke.

It was a somewhat flippant example and was not meant to be taken literally. It wouldn't matter whether the occasional dog produced it or Hugh Brady drove in on a JCB and dumped it there. My point was that if you replaced one unpleasant, harmful substance with another, suddenly everyone would be up in arms about it.

As regards around the back of the library as a smoking area, I've seen people use it - mainly staff. Reckon they'd be pissed if everyone came down there...

Why? Is it a private unofficial smoking area? I'd love to see them argue it.

Irregardless, the idea of making a designated smoking area there begs the question: Why should the smokers have to walk all the way around the building rather than you just holding your breath for 2 seconds as you enter or leave the building.

Because quite frankly I don't see why I should have to do anything for any length of time to facilitate someone else's disgusting habit, that no one disputes has negative health consequences for both the person indulging in it and those who have to share the immediate environment with them. Irish, and increasingly international society has by and large accepted smoking as an anti-social habit and has thus removed it from most indoor public places. Moving it more than 2 foot away from the entrances to these public places is a logical extension to this, and has been done in many places already.

Smoking is a choice. If you choose to smoke, you should be prepared to put up with the consequences, and walking a few extra metres should be way down the list of those.

Raphael

Breezer wrote: »

Why? Is it a private unofficial smoking area? I'd love to see them argue it.

The staff objecting thing was a joke.

Breezer wrote: »

Because quite frankly I don't see why I should have to do anything for any length of time to facilitate someone else's disgusting habit.

You see not breathing in while passing through a cloud of smoke as facilitating a smoking habit? I sure as hell don't. I see asking people to go out of their way to smoke so you don't have to mildly inconvenience yourself as being quite unreasonable on your behalf.

To clarify, for me you facilitating their habit would be them being allowed to smoke anywhere. Them facilitating your desire to avoid smoke would involve them smoking where no one would pass through. The current situation, where the smoke has to stay outside, but stats at the entrance because people don;t want to go far (Especially when it's cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey outside) Is a happy medium where no one is being forced to endure too much suffering in order to facilitate others.

Breezer wrote: »

Smoking is a choice. If you choose to smoke, you should be prepared to put up with the consequences, and walking a few extra metres should be way down the list of those.

Smoking is a choice you make once, and then live with for the rest of your life. It's a highly addictive drug that has so pervaded society that it has been deemed socially acceptable to use, or definitely did in the past. I have nothing to back this up (bar personal experience), but I would assume that most smokers start smoking when they're young and stupid, not knowing or caring about the consequences, and are then stuck with a nicotine dependence for the rest of your life.

Sure, they could quit. I've never known someone who managed to quit. I've known people who swore off the cigarettes, stayed off them for years, then something happened and they started again. No one ever quits smoking - they're just between cigarettes.

Breezer

Raphael wrote: »

The staff objecting thing was a joke.

My bad, didn't pick up on it from the text.

You see not breathing in while passing through a cloud of smoke as facilitating a smoking habit? I sure as hell don't. I see asking people to go out of their way to smoke so you don't have to mildly inconvenience yourself as being quite unreasonable on your behalf.

To clarify, for me you facilitating their habit would be them being allowed to smoke anywhere. Them facilitating your desire to avoid smoke would involve them smoking where no one would pass through. The current situation, where the smoke has to stay outside, but stats at the entrance because people don;t want to go far (Especially when it's cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey outside) Is a happy medium where no one is being forced to endure too much suffering in order to facilitate others.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I see nothing unreasonable in my attitude and firmly believe that the current law that stops at the entrance doesn't go far enough. See, my desire to avoid smoke doesn't damage other people's health, doesn't smell bad, doesn't cause other people to cough, doesn't linger on other people's clothes, etc. And I really couldn't care less how cold, wet, windy or otherwise inclement the weather is: I don't see why smokers should be accommodated like this to the detriment of everyone else. Maybe I'm a cruel, cold-hearted bastard but that's how I feel and I make no apologies for it.

No one ever quits smoking - they're just between cigarettes.

Sorry Raphael, the rest of our argument comes down to differing opinions, but I'm gonna have to call you on that one, it's total rubbish. A lot of people never quit, but I've met many, many ex-smokers (for decades) in hospitals (it being a routine question we ask every patient). You'd be amazed what a heart attack or a doctor telling you you're going to lose a leg if you don't quit can do.

Wow, I'm not used to arguing with you this much, normally we seem to agree on things!

fillefatale

Breezer wrote: »

It was the norm to smoke in pubs 5 years ago. About the only good thing that government ever did.

I agree and indoors. So they smoke outside, and if the arts front entrance is the handiest place, thats the way it is.

Breezer

fillefatale wrote: »

I agree and indoors. So they smoke outside, and if the arts front entrance is the handiest place, thats the way it is.

Clearly. But as I pointed out, smoking inside was "the way it was" 5 years ago. It doesn't mean it's pleasant for other people, and it doesn't mean it can never be changed. I've seen many instances of smoking being prohibited around entrances, and there has been talk over the last few years of legally enforcing it, although nothing concrete yet.

Raphael

Breezer wrote: »

Sorry Raphael, the rest of our argument comes down to differing opinions,

Indeed, so I for one am giving up =p

Breezer wrote: »

but I'm gonna have to call you on that one, it's total rubbish. A lot of people never quit, but I've met many, many ex-smokers (for decades) in hospitals (it being a routine question we ask every patient). You'd be amazed what a heart attack or a doctor telling you you're going to lose a leg if you don't quit can do.

I think you kind of missed my point, which is my fault for miscommunicating it. I'm not saying no one ever quits them, I'm saying that even after/while you've quit, you still have to deal with cravings and it can only take one really bad day to send someone who's quit, long since off them, is very happy with their life as a non smoker, back onto the cigarettes.

The point about being told "You're going to die unless you cut that out" is a fair one, adds an extra incentive. However, it doesn't always cause someone to quit. I knew a woman who was dying of emphezema, on oxygen, and was still smoking.

Breezer wrote: »

Wow, I'm not used to arguing with you this much, normally we seem to agree on things!

Life would be boring if everyone got along all the time. This way, we get interesting debate.

dr.bollocko

Breezer wrote: »

Clearly. But as I pointed out, smoking inside was "the way it was" 5 years ago. It doesn't mean it's pleasant for other people, and it doesn't mean it can never be changed. I've seen many instances of smoking being prohibited around entrances, and there has been talk over the last few years of legally enforcing it, although nothing concrete yet.

Goddamn some people will just object to anything and everything.
Isn't there some climate march you could go on instead or something? Seems to me like that'd be slightly more noble than making smokers arbitrarily move 20 feet because you're sitting downwind of them and they're offending you.

Breezer

Raphael wrote: »

Indeed, so I for one am giving up =p

I win, I win!

I think you kind of missed my point, which is my fault for miscommunicating it. I'm not saying no one ever quits them, I'm saying that even after/while you've quit, you still have to deal with cravings and it can only take one really bad day to send someone who's quit, long since off them, is very happy with their life as a non smoker, back onto the cigarettes.

True.

The point about being told "You're going to die unless you cut that out" is a fair one, adds an extra incentive. However, it doesn't always cause someone to quit. I knew a woman who was dying of emphezema, on oxygen, and was still smoking.

I never say always I also said "lose a leg" rather than "die," you'd be amazed at how much more seriously people take the former.

Life would be boring if everyone got along all the time. This way, we get interesting debate.

Or tired cranky 3.30am debate

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Goddamn some people will just object to anything and everything.
Isn't there some climate march you could go on instead or something? Seems to me like that'd be slightly more noble than making smokers arbitrarily move 20 feet because you're sitting downwind of them and they're offending you.

No, I won't object to anything for the sake of it, but I'll object to things that I find disgusting and unnecessary, such as disrespectful people breathing poison down my throat.

The Agogo

I'm a smoker and have a problem with it, but that mainly is with the gipstain inbred who can't extinguish his cigarettes properly in the bin beside the library door's pillar.

When that thing goes on fire you can smell it all over the building. It's funny to see the amount of security walk past it and not do a single thing about it.

smk89

I hate when med students get on their high horse about smoking, and I dont smoke.
Its so sad and besides it acually encourages the person to smoke more.

Xhristy

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RandolphEsq

Maebh wrote: »

Some of my dearest memories of UCD were standing outside Arts sharing a smoke with my friends...

I'll smoke, I'll cough, I'll get the cancer, I'll die. You happy?

Delighted.

It's filthy to have all the cretins puffing away outside Arts or JJ. Both areas are very enclosed despite being 'outside' so a cloud of cancer goodness lingers for a while and is unpleasant to have to pass through. Smokers are weak people, hence the addiction, so as a non-smoker (beautiful and healthy) I am entitled to look down on them.

Breezer

smk89 wrote: »

I hate when med students get on their high horse about smoking, and I dont smoke.
Its so sad and besides it acually encourages the person to smoke more.

Plenty of med students and doctors smoke. I found it disgusting long before I started studying medicine. And if that's how smokers react to people not liking it it's a little sad to be honest.

Riamfada

This thread is full of Christmas love.

RandolphEsq

Grimes wrote: »

This thread is full of Christmas love.

/takes up smoking next to Grimes and sends him passive smoke for 50 odd years until he dies from lung cancer due to passive smoking. Christmas cheer that

Riamfada

RandolphEsq wrote: »

/takes up smoking next to Grimes and sends him passive smoke for 50 odd years until he dies from lung cancer due to passive smoking. Christmas cheer that

Free smoke!!! best Christmas present ever!!

Het-Field

I really enjoy the High Horse mentality of Breezer and the OP.

Im not a smoker, never have been. However, I cant stand it when people seek to take a moral high ground on the issue. Why should smokers have to have their right to inhale nicotine, and smell like a chimney, negated ? What about people who smell of B.O or rainwater ? Should they be shunned ???

I have no time for the individualism of Breezer in this matter. It's one way of life, competing against another. We dont like it, but we must accept it, or seek to use another route to make it into the library. Its a small price to pay for individualsim, and upholding one's right to slowly kill themselves.