Public sector boycotts independent newspaper

seangal

Just wondering is this going on in other public sector Dept. Where I work (900 employees) the independent news paper is no longer sold in the canteen and the entire workers are no longer buying it or the Sunday independent.
I have being told that there is all an official boycott of the paper by the nurses also.

gurramok

News & Media forum?

Why don't ye use it as toilet roll, handy way to cut back on expenses :P

Permabear

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joolsveer

I don't think that the Indo should be compared to an ostrich. What have they done now?

population

It is a horrendous rag especially the Sindo. My only problem with this is that it is being boycotted for the wrong reasons.

GoldenTickets

donegalfella wrote: »

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Surely this image would only be relevant if it was the truth people weren't willing to face?

seangal

joolsveer wrote: »

I don't think that the Indo should be compared to an ostrich. What have they done now?

I am just asking a simple question is they other people in the public sector who are boycotting the independent?

bobbyjoe

Maybe someone could confirm that there is a boycott on before the PS bashing begins?

joolsveer

Don't the Indo have a history of over 100 years of being anti worker?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Lockout#William_Martin_Murphy_and_the_employers

seangal

population wrote: »

It is a horrendous rag especially the Sindo. My only problem with this is that it is being boycotted for the wrong reasons.

But would you say that a large percentage of the independent readers were public sector employees and if so where dose that leave a company that is all ready under pressure?

celticbest

O, it's terrible when a paper actually gives the views of the majority of people isn't it???...

donegalfella wrote: »

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The rest just stick there head in the sand and continue to try and bleed the country dry.

Idbatterim

Ill just have to make sure I buy a few more every week then! I hope not to many in the private sector or unemployed buy the Irish times! These 300,000 want to hold the 1.8 million of us left working ie. the paymasters and the rest of the population to ransom! If immediate reform doesnt start I am glad to hear ministers saying there will be more pay cuts!

whatnext

seangal wrote: »

Just wondering is this going on in other public sector Dept. Where I work (900 employees) the independent news paper is no longer sold in the canteen and the entire workers are no longer buying it or the Sunday independent.
I have being told that there is all an official boycott of the paper by the nurses also.

Seems about right to me, Public sector banding together to not do something

seangal

Idbatterim wrote: »

Ill just have to make sure I buy a few more every week then! I hope not to many in the private sector or unemployed buy the Irish times! These 300,000 want to hold the 1.8 million of us left working ie. the paymasters and the rest of the population to ransom! If immediate reform doesnt start I am glad to hear ministers saying there will be more pay cuts!

what is this got to do with it?
We dont need another private v public as we have loads of them allready
You need to get over you issue with the public sector or get help

seangal

celticbest wrote: »

O, it's terrible when a paper actually gives the views of the majority of people isn't it???...



The rest just stick there head in the sand and continue to try and bleed the country dry.

Did i ask you is it right or wrong?

What i asked is there any other public sector dept having a boycott on the paper and you are not a very well paid public sector you would not know

humanji

I'm sure I'm missing something, but why is there a boycott against those papers and what's it meant to achieve?

Rujib1

seangal wrote: »

Just wondering is this going on in other public sector Dept. Where I work (900 employees) the independent news paper is no longer sold in the canteen and the entire workers are no longer buying it or the Sunday independent.
I have being told that there is all an official boycott of the paper by the nurses also.

Brilliant idea. Independent was boycotted in Clare, in 1998, when the miserable sports reporters did there best to vilify Colin Lynch over the Munster hurling final fracas against Waterford.
On the other hand the Examiner sports columnists reported fairly on the whole thing. Examiner sales in Clare shot up. It didn't hang on to all of its gains, but did hang on to the majority.

Trouble in your case, is that all the paper are pretty much on the side of reducing PS pay. So what are you going to buy instead?

Plus, if Lenihan stays in finance for two more budgets, you wont be able to afford any paper :eek:

pah

Threads get off topic pretty quick around here. I was never really bothered with the indo I'd buy it if I saw an interesting article. Since becoming aware of the boycott and looking into the reasons for it I've made a concious decision not to buy it. (I think there's a boycott on The Times also)

A few of the BS articles like Gardaí retire as millionaires have done nothing but fuel the Public V Private spats

Pah,
PS

celticbest

seangal wrote: »

Did i ask you is it right or wrong?

What i asked is there any other public sector dept having a boycott on the paper and you are not a very well paid public sector you would not know

Who cares?? Do what you want as everybody is sick of listening...after a while it just falls on deaf ears.

I for one will make sure I keep buying the Indo on a daily basis.

douglashyde

I don’t know how true this boycott is or not.

However, the Independent I would feel gives the majority view of this country.

The PS hate people like David Willams and Kevin Myers when they say that the PS is wrong to strike etc..... however keep in mind, these very same columnists bash the same bankers/government that the PS do.

If this boycott really does exist, wouldn’t it be in typical form?

We don’t like what your doing Government!!! Let’s strike.

We don’t like what you’re writing Independent!! Let’s boycott.

I can imagine it now.... The PS boycotting all private sector workers in Ireland and shopping in the North…. Oh wait, hold on…..

Idbatterim

the Independent Id imagine reflects the views of a huge majority! Its the biggest selling Sunday newspaper and outsells the Irish Times massively during weekdays! I wouldnt buy the Irish Times, because there is only so much condoning inance over the top PS and Government salaries etc and turning a blind eye one can do!

MI5

That folks is the original Captain Boycott.

Note how out of proportion to the rest of hos body his head is :pac:

Oh, and one more thing ........... he has a beard :cool:

greendom

Well it's a start I suppose; now we just need the rest of the population to join in.

Then onto the Daily Mail; won't be long before we get rid of all the s**t papers.

inforfun

A bit childish isn't it?

ei.sdraob

next they will be boycotting boards.ie

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055771998

erictheviking

Idbatterim wrote: »

the Independent Id imagine reflects the views of a huge majority![/B] Its the biggest selling Sunday newspaper and outsells the Irish Times massively during weekdays! I wouldnt buy the Irish Times, because there is only so much condoning inance over the top PS and Government salaries etc and turning a blind eye one can do!

:D:D:D:D
Don't get out much do you?

Idbatterim

Its simply a fact! just because the view isnt what PS workers want to hear! I couldnt care less!

oscar2

Classy journalism lilke this is why this rag is probably being boycotted.

"Civil servants also receive generous benefits to cope with tragedies. They are entitled to take 10 days compassionate leave on the death of a parent, spouse or child, in an agreement negotiated in 2007."

and don't forget the vote Fianna Fail banner headline a few years back

celticbest

greendom wrote: »

Well it's a start I suppose; now we just need the rest of the population to join in.

Then onto the Daily Mail; won't be long before we get rid of all the s**t papers.

The rest of the Population will never join in with such childish behaviour.

ei.sdraob wrote: »

next they will be boycotting boards.ie

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055771998

Please let this be true the day couldn't come soon enough!

Rujib1

oscar2 wrote: »

Classy journalism lilke this is why this rag is probably being boycotted.

"Civil servants also receive generous benefits to cope with tragedies. They are entitled to take 10 days compassionate leave on the death of a parent, spouse or child, in an agreement negotiated in 2007."

and don't forget the vote Fianna Fail banner headline a few years back

They damn near negotiated another 12 days compasionate leave to grieve for dearly departed Celtic Tiger

douglashyde

10 days Grieving period paid.

12 days sick leave paid.

18 days holiday paid.

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40 days a year - no wonder there is never anyone behind the counter in the tax office.

P. Breathnach

celticbest wrote: »

... Please let this be true the day couldn't come soon enough!

And how much enjoyment would people here get from bashing public servants if there were none of them here? It would seem a bit like masturbation.

P. Breathnach

douglashyde wrote: »

10 days Grieving period paid.

12 days sick leave paid.

18 days holiday paid.

___

40 days a year - no wonder there is never anyone behind the counter in the tax office.

This looks like an application for a job in the Indo.

BrianD3

I haven't heard of any official boycott but if there is one then proper order. Of course the public sector workers will be hammered for boycotting a paper just as they'll be hammered for everything else they do. At least if every public servant and retired public servant that curently does so were to stop buying the Independent, it might make a small dent in sales figures.

As I said in another thread, there are laws to protect various groups in society from vilification. Public sector workers don't have this protection so if there is a sustained campaign of public servant bashing in a particular newspaper, all public servants can do is withdraw their custom by not purchasing.

From what I see the only Irish papers that have somewhat balanced and sober articles on the recession are the Times and the Sunday Business Post.

The Sunday Indepedent in particular is excrement with Brendan O'Connor one of the chief offenders. If these "journalists" were on here, they'd be referred to as "trolls". Oh wait, maybe they are already here...

Rujib1

douglashyde wrote: »

10 days Grieving period paid.

12 days sick leave paid.

18 days holiday paid.

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40 days a year - no wonder there is never anyone behind the counter in the tax office.

Add

Force Majeure Leave
Maternity Leave.
Paternity Leave

douglashyde

P. Breathnach wrote: »

This looks like an application for a job in the Indo.

Nothing would give me more pleasure than to get paid to complain about the organisational mess that is this country's Public Sector.

Sleepy

I'm in favour of this purely out of hatred for that rag...

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celticbest

P. Breathnach wrote: »

And how much enjoyment would people here get from bashing public servants if there were none of them here? It would seem a bit like masturbation.

I am not bashing the PS sector, they just need to realise that the country is currently in the middle of a recession and that for once they are not immune from the cuts which everyone has to take to get the country back on its feet, it's part of life in the current climate.

I myself had to take a pay cut, of course I wasn't happy having to, but in the long term I did it to try to ensure that in this economic climate my job would be more secure in the long term. I'm just glad that I'm one of the lucky ones who still has a good to go to!

Fat_Fingers

seangal wrote: »

But would you say that a large percentage of the independent readers were public sector employees and if so where dose that leave a company that is all ready under pressure?

public service in Ireland not reading/ boycotting the papers would have small or no effect on the company as a whole.
They have substantially bigger operations in Africa, Australia, New Zealand, UK and India.

Don’t forget in Ireland they own Irish Independent, Sunday Independent but also Evening Herald, Sunday World ,The Star and 16 regional newspapers in counties Cork, Kerry, Dublin, Louth, Wexford, Wicklow, Waterford and Sligo

douglashyde

"Or consider the retired directors general from the civil service whose pensions are now worth more than their salaries." Kevin Myers, today's info.

The Public Sector wont like this. They are being picked on! How dare we pick on them. ITS WRONG!

this is a fact, its not bashing, its not picking on anyone, its a cold hard fact.... and it is a fact that certainly wont help the PS stop any more pay cuts.

P. Breathnach

douglashyde wrote: »

Nothing would give me more pleasure than to get paid to complain about the organisational mess that is this country's Public Sector.

Including getting the facts wrong, of course.

P. Breathnach

douglashyde wrote: »

"Or consider the retired directors general from the civil service whose pensions are now worth more than their salaries." Kevin Myers, today's info...

I presume Myers has data to back up his rhetoric. It might be difficult, because I am not aware of there being any directors general in the civil service -- but why should a journalist be concerned about getting the facts straight, especially when he is polemicising?

jmayo

I gave up buying and even reading the SINDO years ago due to fact they employ and pay prize grade A opionated eejits like eoin harris and brendan know it all o'connor.

The daily indo isn't too bad, but this boycott just looks like sour grapes about fact that indo finally copped on and started campaigning for government to do something meaningful.

It's a pity though the indo didn't bother worrying about the truth and the future when they were flogging overpriced sh**e properties in every backwater development in this country and a few others through their property editorals, analysts and so called experts. :rolleyes:
Ah but I guess he who pays the piper calls the tune :mad:

Idbatterim

how anyone here can actually post a serious comment defending the most overpaid and underworked PS in Europe at the expense of the rest of us is beyond me! It could only be a Public Servant or someone who obviously lives in cloud cuckoo land! Ofcourse not all the PS staff, pay or situations are ridiculous but the amount that is is way out of line!

ei.sdraob

jmayo wrote: »

I gave up buying and even reading the SINDO years ago due to fact they employ and pay prize grade A opionated eejits like eoin harris and brendan know it all o'connor.

lets not forget McWilliams and Myers

i stopped buying it because i can get the same news on their and other sites for free

LK_Dave

I for one gave up reading The Sindo ages ago, it just made me so depressed...but then again I’m self employed and my market was in the construction industry which has now disappeared. So my wages have reduced 100%.
So I would consider the PS lucky. Next Sunday it is back to reading The Sindo for me....hopefully I’ll be reading articles of the imminent entry of The IMF to sort this country out. I wonder who the PS will want to boycott then.

oscar2

Rujib1 wrote: »

Add

Force Majeure Leave
Maternity Leave.
Paternity Leave

Force Majeure was introduced because EU and applies to all workers Public or Private.

Maternity leave is universal.

Only Paternity leave up to individual companies.

What exactly is your point?

bobbyjoe

LK_Dave wrote: »

I for one gave up reading The Sindo ages ago, it just made me so depressed...but then again I’m self employed and my market was in the construction industry which has now disappeared. So my wages have reduced 100%.
So I would consider the PS lucky. Next Sunday it is back to reading The Sindo for me....hopefully I’ll be reading articles of the imminent entry of The IMF to sort this country out. I wonder who the PS will want to boycott then.

You think the IMF won't touch your dole money?

greendom

celticbest wrote: »

The rest of the Population will never join in with such childish behaviour.

Unlike the journalists themselves (partaking in childish behaviour that is, not boycotting newspapers)

jmayo

ei.sdraob wrote: »

lets not forget McWilliams and Myers

i stopped buying it because i can get the same news on their and other sites for free

Ah now McWilliams may be opionated, but he has also talked a lot of the truth even when not favourable to be doing so.
Thus I can forgive him his flowery descriptions and dumbing it down a little.

As for Myers, well he can be a grade A sh** stirrer, but he can also say the things that often need someone brave enough, or stupid enough, to say.

Can anyone every say anything as complimentary about o'connor and harris ?
They have no saving graces that I can see anyway.

Ask for all the other eejits that are in that magazine thingy, they just appear to be always ar**likcing the likes of amanda brunker, gerald kean and the one not wife material for Flattley. Oh and the aherns.


PS ei.sdraob you never answered me who owns the other 36/37% of the ESB over on the Pay Cuts in Commercial Semi State thread.