'Free energy' machine on display in Dublin - The Steorn is gathering

The_Minister

Controversial technology which allegedly defies the laws of physics to create free power has gone on public display - two years after a much-heralded demonstration ended in failure.

Irish company Steorn insisted the Orbo device was now more robust and reliable as it welcomed potential investors to a Dublin viewing.

But chief executive Sean McCarthy admitted the clean, constant energy-producing device could still end up malfunctioning.

"The systems are up, they're running and I'm sure some of them will break - it's a prototype technology," he said.

"We have lots of spare systems and they'll be replaced. People may be critical of that and I can understand that, but the fundamental point is that we're demonstrating this system working. We want people to understand where it is, but weigh that with what it could mean for us and what the opportunity is, not just for this little company in Dublin but for everybody."

Orbo technology harnesses magnetic effects to multiply energy. Its inventors claim it can be used to power anything from a mobile phone to a car.

Worldwide cynicism surrounding the product was heightened after the failure of its high profile London launch in July 2007.

Mr McCarthy described the unsuccessful demonstration as history but said he could appreciate people's suspicions. "It shouldn't be possible, it's something for nothing and from a physics standpoint the principle of the conservation of energy says you cannot do this, it's an absolute no-no.

"But the bottom line is it does what it does and we're more focused on the impact of that and getting it into the real world than the scientific controversy around it."

The product is on show in the Waterways Visitor Centre at the Grand Canal Basin until January 31. Demonstrations are also being streamed live on the company's website.

They are back again.
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/free-energy-machine-on-display-in-dublin-1976136.html

Agent Smith

"Sorry, but in this Forum, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

The_Minister

Their international scientific jury discredited the machine

They now sell USB powered divining rods.
For the 6th who has everything.

Sheeps

Considering that Ireland produced the people who discovered quaternions, boolean algebra and the splitting of the first atom, Steorn being Irish is embarrassing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

This has hadron collider written all over it. Shan't end well.

Overheal

Will the Scientologists ever learn?

Intothesea

Wonder when they'll realise they haven't broken the law of diminishing returns :pac: I'd love to see what engineering companies can cook up with this wundermachine. Giant brushless motors producing 3 times the input power (according to their video) -- it would be laughable if they claimed 3%

zenno

at least they are trying. I bet it's only a matter of time before this technology is in perfect working form i have no doubt about that but as always it will take alot of time for perfection in it's workings. we damn well need it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr3is_3mLNA

starbelgrade

I don't understand any of this thread, but I'm glad all ye science geeks are havin' a laugh!

starbelgrade

Ok.. maybe this might be my opportunity to find out the answer to a question that has ALWAYS bugged me. Now laugh away, but remember.. there;s no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid person.

Here goes.. you are driving a car at whatever speed. A fly is travelling in your path at a lesser. You hit it. It dies on your windsheild.

You are travelling in a car at 5mph, with a fly in it. You increase your speed to 100mph. The fly is still just buzzing around unaffected - it does not hit the back window.

How the f*ck does that happen?

Please explaiin it to me, if you know the answer, in really basic terms. I'm a musician & a designer, so I'm not a f*ckwit, just specialised in my own areas. I could explain chord inflections in G Minor, but not the fly puzzle.

fergalr

Its at the stage where if they took that tree stump from Limerick, put it in a glass box, and insisted it was giving free energy, they'd have more scientific credibility.

zenno

The_Minister wrote: »

Their international scientific jury discredited the machine

They now sell USB powered divining rods.
For the 6th who has everything.

yeah scientists whinging as usual about this technology = typical.
the thing is you are not getting more out of "nothing" it might seem like enhancing power output from nothing but there is no such thing as nothing, it is, we just don't fully understand all forces electrical and such. electrons can be in two places at once. like i said it's only a matter of time before this works perfectly thats for sure.

researchers isolated a beryllium ion (an atom given an electrical charge by removing one of its two normal electrons) in an electromagnetic trap and pinpointed its position using a technique called laser cooling. Then, using two laser beams, each precisely tuned to a different frequency, they gently "smeared" the atom into a split condition called a superposition by measuring interference patterns in the laser beams, the scientists established that the atom occupied two locations. They determined it was separated by about 80 nanometers, or 800 times its original diameter. At human scale, it would be as if a person suddenly split into twins and appeared simultaneously a quarter mile apart. anything is possible.

fergalr

starbelgrade wrote: »

Ok.. maybe this might be my opportunity to find out the answer to a question that has ALWAYS bugged me. Now laugh away, but remember.. there;s no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid person.

Here goes.. you are driving a car at whatever speed. A fly is travelling in your path at a lesser. You hit it. It dies on your windsheild.

You are travelling in a car at 5mph, with a fly in it. You increase your speed to 100mph. The fly is still just buzzing around unaffected - it does not hit the back window.

How the f*ck does that happen?

Please explaiin it to me, if you know the answer, in really basic terms. I'm a musician & a designer, so I'm not a f*ckwit, just specialised in my own areas. I could explain chord inflections in G Minor, but not the fly puzzle.

Not sure if you are trolling...
but its the same for the fly as for the driver in the car.

If the car hit you standing on the road at 100mph, you'd be dead.
But you can sit in it while it accelerates to 100mph and be fine.
But you do perceive a force on you from the back of your seat.
The fly isn't in vacuum. Its flying in the air. Its pushing against the air, and the air is pushing against it.
As the car accelerates, the air inside it moves forward, and that air pushes against the fly - in much the same way the drivers seat pushes against the driver - as you accelerate up to 100mph.

That's the main reason for the confusion, you aren't thinking about the 'back window' pushing the air and the air pushing the fly, as the car accelerates up to 100mph.

(A second thing to bear in mind is that the acceleration is gradual - it happens gradually enough - if the car accelerated fast enough to 100mph both the driver and the fly would die, as the car would be pushing 'too hard' against them). But the main source of the confusion is the point above.

starbelgrade

fergalr wrote: »

Not sure if you are trolling...
but its the same for the fly as for the driver in the car.

If the car hit you standing on the road at 100mph, you'd be dead.
But you can sit in it while it accelerates to 100mph and be fine.
But you do perceive a force on you from the back of your seat.
The fly isn't in vacuum. Its flying in the air. Its pushing against the air, and the air is pushing against it.
As the car accelerates, the air inside it moves forward, and that air pushes against the fly - in much the same way the drivers seat pushes against the driver - as you accelerate up to 100mph.

That's the main reason for the confusion, you aren't thinking about the 'back window' pushing the air and the air pushing the fly, as the car accelerates up to 100mph.

(A second thing to bear in mind is that the acceleration is gradual - it happens gradually enough - if the car accelerated fast enough to 100mph both the driver and the fly would die, as the car would be pushing 'too hard' against them). But the main source of the confusion is the point above.

I'm not trolling dude - but I am trying to digest this information. I understand it up to the point where you say "that's the main reason for confusion.."

Ironically, that is the point where I get confused!

DanGerMus

starbelgrade wrote: »

Ok.. maybe this might be my opportunity to find out the answer to a question that has ALWAYS bugged me. Now laugh away, but remember.. there;s no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid person.

Here goes.. you are driving a car at whatever speed. A fly is travelling in your path at a lesser. You hit it. It dies on your windsheild.

You are travelling in a car at 5mph, with a fly in it. You increase your speed to 100mph. The fly is still just buzzing around unaffected - it does not hit the back window.

How the f*ck does that happen?

Please explaiin it to me, if you know the answer, in really basic terms. I'm a musician & a designer, so I'm not a f*ckwit, just specialised in my own areas. I could explain chord inflections in G Minor, but not the fly puzzle.

Well you know the way the chair keeps you from flying back, well the air pocket inside the car is enough keep the fly from flying back and hitting the back window.
Air is dense enough to create enough friction to hold the fly in position because he's so light.
Although i'll bet he does go back a bit depending on how fast you accelerate. Just like you'll feel your self be pushed against the chair the more quickly you accelerate.

fergalr

I wish people wouldn't keep giving these guys attention.

Initially, we might have being sceptical, but thought, 'well, maybe these guys have found some sort of physical effect that they don't really understand. Maybe there's something worth investigating going on'.

But they are now asking us to believe they found a free energy machine 3 years ago, with killer new science. And then sat around (scratching themselves?) for several years, not getting rich, not sharing any info, not letting anyone see they machine. All the time losing credibility.

They say they want the world to understand what they've found, but they've provided no science, and have being pretty much discredited by anyone serious that's had contact with them.

For the people here that say 'anything is possible', and think that breaking the principle of conservation of energy is no big deal, lets ignore the science stuff, and look at it another way - if these guys were anything other than windup merchants, don't you think someone respectable would gotten on board with this, to make their career - or even that a big oil company would have bought them out? Or some James Bond esque villian (or simply halliburton) would have stolen it from them?

Having a way to make free energy would be worth more than all the oil in Iraq, right? Do you see anybody trying to invade Dublin to take this box, and the energy security it implies?

No, the demo is in the Waterways Ireland Visitor Center. Its not surrounded by razor wire and the army, because no one wants to steal it, because it doesn't do anything.

And the guys who made it, instead of becoming giga-billionaires off their free energy machine have been spending their time making simple electronics.

These discussion doesn't need any science to make it obvious that their invention does not do exactly what it says on the tin.

DanGerMus

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm not trolling dude - but I am trying to digest this information. I understand it up to the point where you say "that's the main reason for confusion.."

Ironically, that is the point where I get confused!

Well imagine the car was filled with concrete. You wouldn't move at all if it accelerated.

Well air is enough to have somewhat the same effect on the fly because he's relatively very light.

It's a loose analogy but apt i hope.

zenno

quote: Having a way to make free energy would be worth more than all the oil in Iraq, right? Do you see anybody trying to invade Dublin to take this box, and the energy security it implies.

well all i was saying is this. it is possible and it will be a standard energy when it is perfected in the near future. like they said many years ago man will never fly , man will never walk on the moon, the earth is flat. burn me at the stake if you want or if anyone else wants but i can assure you this will come to fruition soon.

gnxx

In the first instance I was willing to accept that they had discovered something interesting ( an anomaly in measurement for example ). Even without true "energy for nothing", the technology such as efficient motors etc could be succesfully commercialised.

At this point though, they have no credibilty. The jury of scientists ( that they selected ) has clearly stated the device doesn't work.

I note that they have filed a patent for a device measuring the transfer of electricity. Maybe they need to check that this actually works :-) This could be the secret to free energy :-)

Hopefully none of the state boards such as Enterprise Ireland etc have invested in this scam. It would be very embarrasing after the FAS fiasco.

zenno

the oil companies will not like it thats for sure if this new free energy comes out. they will make sure it doesn't.

starbelgrade

DanGerMus wrote: »

Well imagine the car was filled with concrete. You wouldn't move at all if it accelerated.

Well air is enough to have somewhat the same effect on the fly because he's relatively very light.

It's a loose analogy but apt i hope.

I still don't get it, but that's my bad. Cheers anyhow.

fergalr

zenno wrote: »

quote: Having a way to make free energy would be worth more than all the oil in Iraq, right? Do you see anybody trying to invade Dublin to take this box, and the energy security it implies.

well all i was saying is this. it is possible and it will be a standard energy when it is perfected in the near future. like they said many years ago man will never fly , man will never walk on the moon, the earth is flat. burn me at the stake if you want or if anyone else wants but i can assure you this will come to fruition soon.

It is true that some things people widely believed in the past later turned out to be wrong.
That does not mean all things people believe later turned out to be wrong.

The best way of trying to separate out what to believe from what not to believe is true argument and evidence.

Steorn have offered no argument, or evidence for their claims, which go against the current understanding (you can't make free energy), which there is a lot of argument and evidence for.

If I told you I was made of raisins, and typing away here, you would not believe me. It goes against your current understanding of the world, and the stuff you've seen with your own eyes. This doesn't prove I am not made of raisins. It just means you would be gullible and stupid to believe me, just because I said so, without me offering some evidence or argument to show its at least possible I could be.

So it is with Steorn. I can't prove their claims are not accurate. Its just that because they have no evidence, and no argument, and no credibility, and because there is a great deal of evidence against them, the correct conclusion is that their claims are not accurate. Especially when we consider their past actions, and that it seems in their interests to have us believe them.
I have to put Steorns claims in the same general category as you would have to put my claims that I'm made of raisins.

I might be, but you don't believe that I am, and you shouldn't.

To do otherwise would be unraisinable.

Intothesea

fergalr wrote: »

No, the demo is in the Waterways Ireland Visitor Center. Its not surrounded by razor wire and the army, because no one wants to steal it, because it doesn't do anything.

When I grow up I'm going to run my car and my house and my hair-drier off one of these machines *and* I'm going to make a tidy profit selling the other third of the created power. \o/

zenno

fergalr wrote: »

It is true that some things people widely believed in the past later turned out to be wrong.
That does not mean all things people believe later turned out to be wrong.

The best way of trying to separate out what to believe from what not to believe is true argument and evidence.

Steorn have offered no argument, or evidence for their claims, which go against the current understanding (you can't make free energy), which there is a lot of argument and evidence for.

If I told you I was made of raisins, and typing away here, you would not believe me. It goes against your current understanding of the world, and the stuff you've seen with your own eyes. This doesn't prove I am not made of raisins. It just means you would be gullible and stupid to believe me, just because I said so, without me offering some evidence or argument to show its at least possible I could be.

So it is with Steorn. I can't prove their claims are not accurate. Its just that because they have no evidence, and no argument, and no credibility, and because there is a great deal of evidence against them, the correct conclusion is that their claims are not accurate. Especially when we consider their past actions, and that it seems in their interests to have us believe them.
I have to put Steorns claims in the same general category as you would have to put my claims that I'm made of raisins.

I might be, but you don't believe that I am, and you shouldn't.

To do otherwise would be unraisinable.

why would they make fools out of themselves if they had nothing to back it up with. and people see with their brains not their eyes this is the same thinking people in the early 1800's had it's just not possible but hey it is a fact that free energy will be introduced whether it be 10 years or 100 it is the geniuses on this planet that will figure it out. at this moment in time they are trying and thats good. i'm an optimist and i can see this happening but the greed from the oil industries and such will not like an aparatus that can create free energy think about it. anyway who wants to give free energy when they can keep screwing you with fossil fuels.

DanGerMus

starbelgrade wrote: »

I still don't get it, but that's my bad. Cheers anyhow.

Ok last try.

Think of a fish bowl filled with water. Slowly push the fish bowl along the counter and the fish will stay in roughly the same place not squished against the back of it.
If you do it fast enough though the fish along with the water will hit the back of the bowl. Also you'll get very wet.

Well the fly is suspended in the air in the car just like the fish is suspended in the water in the bowl.
The air at normal acceleration for a car is enough to hold the fly in place.

It is possible for the fly to be squished against the back window but the car would have to accelerate extremely quickly in order to overcome the friction between the air and the fly. You don't want to be in a car that can do that.

TomCo

zenno wrote: »

...think about it.

You first.

zenno

TomCo wrote: »

You first.

simple really. if something like this free energy was going to be sold to the public number one thing that would happen is there will be serious opposition from the big oil/coal companies as a technology like free energy will make them extinct = millions of job loses in these sectors and upheavel.

JoseJones

starbelgrade wrote: »

I still don't get it, but that's my bad. Cheers anyhow.

Also, think about when you're driving along at 100mph in a car and you stick your hand out the window. What happens?

You're hand is shot backwards because of the outside air. The fly in the car doesn't have to contend with this air because of the windscreen of the car shielding him from it. I hope I'm not confusing the issue here (I probably am).

Now what about when you're standing on a train going along at 100mph and you jump as high as you can in the air, what happens? I don't think the air pressure behind you would be enough to keep you 'stationary' (relative to the train). I think a bigger factor would be the inertia or momentum you have because you also are moving at 100mph, but both are definitely factors. OK, now I've definitely confused you.

It's actually a really interesting question that I've thought about a lot (sad I know) and this is the best answer I can come up with.

TomCo

zenno wrote: »

simple really. if something like this free energy was going to be sold to the public number one thing that would happen is there will be serious opposition from the big oil/coal companies as a technology like free energy will make them extinct = millions of job loses in these sectors and upheavel.

That's not what I was referring to.

zenno

TomCo wrote: »

That's not what I was referring to.

i am not a mind reader

zenno

some interesting info here as usual orthodox science seems to have a problem with it. http://magistrala.cz/freeenergy/media/pdf/Roy_Rao_Kanzius-salt-water-burns.pdf

kowloon

This is what happens when people play with magnets for too long.

If I can't eat it, or it doesn't contribute to my ability to eat something I don't consider it a scientific advance anyway.

indough

Sheeps wrote: »

Considering that Ireland produced the people who discovered quaternions, boolean algebra and the splitting of the first atom, Steorn being Irish is embarrassing.

except boole was english and walton cant solely be credited for splitting the atom

Sea Sharp

How much energy does it take to trigger a nuclear reaction?
ans: Go and stick your laws up your hole.

That was the best argument I could come up with to support these free-energy fools.
They're a bunch of media-hungry cowboys though.

edit: Free energy would also crash the global econony ==> bad thing

spoofilyj

zenno wrote: »

quote: Having a way to make free energy would be worth more than all the oil in Iraq, right? Do you see anybody trying to invade Dublin to take this box, and the energy security it implies.

well all i was saying is this. it is possible and it will be a standard energy when it is perfected in the near future. like they said many years ago man will never fly , man will never walk on the moon, the earth is flat. burn me at the stake if you want or if anyone else wants but i can assure you this will come to fruition soon.

I'm sorry but No just No.
The LAw od conversation of energy
The law of conservation of energy is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form, for instance chemical energy can become thermal energy.

Simply put you can not get more energy out for less energy in. This is the basis for most physics, this company are playing a scam and this will never I repeat Never become a reality.
Sure you can talk about an electron existing in the same place at the same time but this is explainable with the physics we already have.

zenno

spoofilyj wrote: »

I'm sorry but No just No.
The LAw od conversation of energy
The law of conservation of energy is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form, for instance chemical energy can become thermal energy.

Simply put you can not get more energy out for less energy in. This is the basis for most physics, this company are playing a scam and this will never I repeat Never become a reality.
Sure you can talk about an electron existing in the same place at the same time but this is explainable with the physics we already have.

i'm sorry but you are wrong. the reason i say this is because in 30 or 50 years you will be proven so... this is something that phycics doesn't fully understand yet with this new technology it has been proven over and over physicists even say they do not understand the reality of free energy and how it would work well thats learning. it will happen, ok the sun and universe goes around the earth and we will never mention it again as people are always stuck in their old ways/

zenno

ok just because there is not a fully working model of something doesn't mean it's void. you speak of nothing ? you can not get something out of nothing. i already have explained that there is no such thing as nothing. the things we think of as nothing is only things we do not fully understand yet. how can a person say and talk as if scientists know everything there is to know thats ridiculous. time will show it.

hopefully we will get new data from the hadron collider that shows this is possible.

quote: The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form, for instance chemical energy can become thermal energy.

these are only energies we know of but there are other forms of energy out there it would be hypocritical to suggest that the energies we know of at this time is all there is.

as scientists say if we can't measure it then it doesn't exist. bah.

Gurgle

zenno wrote: »

if something like this free energy was going to be sold to the public number one thing that would happen is there will be serious opposition from the big oil/coal companies as a technology like free energy will make them extinct

Yes, see how they've crushed all the other competing technologies like wind, solar, hydro-electric and tidal generation. Electric cars, Electric trains, Bio-diesel.

Have any of these (worthwhile, functional, phyics obeying) inventions made it to the consumer?

Take your tinfoil hat off and look around, that particular CT is so old its got mould growing on it (and somebody somewhere will be trying to extract oil from the mould).

spoofilyj

zenno wrote: »

ok just because there is not a fully working model of something doesn't mean it's void. you speak of nothing ? you can not get something out of nothing. i already have explained that there is no such thing as nothing. the things we think of as nothing is only things we do not fully understand yet. how can a person say and talk as if scientists know everything there is to know thats ridiculous. time will show it.

hopefully we will get new data from the hadron collider that shows this is possible.

quote: The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form, for instance chemical energy can become thermal energy.

these are only energies we know of but there are other forms of energy out there it would be hypocritical to suggest that the energies we know of at this time is all there is.

as scientists say if we can't measure it then it doesn't exist. bah.

Not fully working, dont make me laugh, there is none iof it working, no science behinde it what so ever they cant even explain how they are trying to do it.

But that fine your entitled to you beliefs.
Light bulbs dont work when fairys are trapped and shake there arses to illuminate the room. The same is true for this its a scam.
I agree there is alot of Science that is still not explained, but that the point of science right.
Energy can not be got from putting in less energy. This is an absolute in science,
Energy can be generated through reactions but this is a scam sure and true.

Stercus Accidit

Zenno, do you work for this company?

Or do you believe in fairies perhaps?


Because its far more likely that this box has a load of fairies turning the wheels than the explanation offered by the scamming hacks who made it.

The Law of conservation of energy is a scientific LAW, it has never failed to be correct, and anytime man has been wrong, it is usually not science that caused it, it is/was religious hokum and baseless assumptions borne out of ignorance of the facts. Frankly I'd put your opinion on par with this, you make passing reference to the theory that an electron can be in two places at once, and imply this is some sort of magic, its part of quantum physics, unless you are a quantum physicist, don't claim to know anything about it.

People have for centuries tried to achieve perpetual motion, it has never worked, and has always been a scam when claimed it has worked.

You will never see this nonsense work, because it defies simple hard and fast laws of physics, which have never been bent let alone broken.

The laws of physics will not change in 50 years.

zenno

spoofilyj wrote: »

Not fully working, dont make me laugh, there is none iof it working, no science behinde it what so ever they cant even explain how they are trying to do it.

But that fine your entitled to you beliefs.
Light bulbs dont work when fairys are trapped and shake there arses to illuminate the room. The same is true for this its a scam.
I agree there is alot of Science that is still not explained, but that the point of science right.
Energy can not be got from putting in less energy. This is an absolute in science,
Energy can be generated through reactions but this is a scam sure and true.

LOL i found that funny. quote: Light bulbs dont work when fairys are trapped and shake there arses to illuminate the room. lol ibl.

quote;
Energy can not be got from putting in less energy. This is an absolute in science,
no it's not an absolute in science if you think that way then science is doomed. you have just tried to say with conviction and no proof that what you say here is right until the end of time. how can you say an absolute science when physicists are still working on these theories. in your brain you are thinking well how can you get more energy from putting in less energy ? the reason for that is scientists haven't figured it out there you go again thinking science knows all there is to know about energies. they will find strange things in the coming years as they always do and scratch their head and say well i never knew that existed. typical orthodox science = pull head out of a rse.

nothing is an absolute science when scientists are still learning.

zenno

quote: it is/was religious hokum and baseless assumptions borne out of ignorance of the facts

I do know the religious institutions throughout the last few hundread years were at war with scientists ie. burned at the stake for saying men could fly which was always right. the earth is round and such. but all i'm saying is like all past situations we all tought it was impossible to do half the things we take for granted now. you slag these people saying they are con artists they are wrong it's all buuls*it. but i wonder if you will say that in 30 50 years when scientists do finally figure out a way to create free energy ?. most things you can think of are possible. but i know what scientists are like if i can't see it or measure it it doesn't exist or my maths is correct there is no way these equations can work with that humbug free energy theory. time will prove it as it always does.

cornbb

zenno wrote: »

i'm sorry but you are wrong. the reason i say this is because in 30 or 50 years you will be proven so... this is something that phycics doesn't fully understand yet with this new technology it has been proven over and over physicists even say they do not understand the reality of free energy and how it would work well thats learning. it will happen, ok the sun and universe goes around the earth and we will never mention it again as people are always stuck in their old ways/

Wow, what a complete and utter reality fail. You're either trolling or you're liable to buying magic beans. These guys are 21st century alchemists/conmen, I suggest that you start listening to reality instead of to them.

zenno

cornbb wrote: »

Wow, what a complete and utter reality fail. You're either trolling or you're liable to buying magic beans. These guys are 21st century alchemists/conmen, I suggest that you start listening to reality instead of to them.

is that a threat

zenno

ok the sun and universe goes around the earth and we will never mention it again as people are always stuck in their old ways/

i was being sarcastic

quote: or you're liable to buying magic beans

no i bought nama beans.

this nutjob doesn't help either... You can build this free energy motor out of parts that most people have just laying around their house, basement or garage. David Waggoner has designed it with you in mind. He has made these plans very easy to follow. Easy to follow because they take you one step at a time, part by part. If you know how to use a hacksaw, a hammer, a screw driver, electric drill or a jig saw, then you can build our free energy motor

baalthor

zenno wrote: »

i am not a mind reader

Then you will love my Mind Reading Machine® - PM me your details to purchase !

CrazyRabbit

1. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely changed from one form to another. I fail to see how the universe could exist in its current form if that were wrong.

2. It is theoretically possible that they have created a device that converts some unknown energy into electical energy. Without being able to detect and measure this unknown energy, it may appear that energy is 'coming from nowhere'.

3. Since this machine seems to rely on just magnetic fields, I seriously doubt this particular machine is capable of converting an unknown energy source into electricity as per point 2.

4. It is becoming more widely accepted that the universe is comprised mostly of dark matter/energy that we currently cannot detect. At some point, we may learn to collect and store these which would provide practically unlimited energy. But I don't think we are quite there yet. I'd estimate another 70-100 years at least.

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

zenno

baalthor wrote: »

Then you will love my Mind Reading Machine® - PM me your details to purchase !

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zenno

crazyrabbit Energy cannot be created or destroyed

what about antimatter ?

baalthor

zenno wrote: »

john tart 45 liffyvalley plonkhouse dublin. how much. i always wanted one of those it will go well with my tinfoil hat ffs. go on.

Do I detect some scepticism?
I can't be sure as you're outside the machine's range

zenno

baalthor wrote: »

Do I detect some scepticism?
I can't be sure as you're outside the machine's range

LOL you have a sense of humour i'll give you that.