Ardgillan Castle

JohnW2008

Anyone seen this website? www.ardgillanskerries.com

Ridiculous, since when is Ardgillan in Skerries??

Frank Spencer

JohnW2008 wrote: »

Anyone seen this website? www.ardgillanskerries.com

Ridiculous, since when is Ardgillan in Skerries??

Where would you say it is?

JohnW2008

Balbriggan.

Alan Farrell

Buck_Naked wrote: »

Where would you say it is?

One of my colleagues on the council always says, rather aggressively that its in Balbriggan but the OSI maps suggest otherwise.

That website is unusual as Fingal manage Ardgillian and there is no reference to the council on it plus the owner of the website has hidden their ownership details on a .com whois search.

Odd.

minikin

While I know it's probably a massive annoyance for the goats the fact is that its official address IS Balbriggan... wonder who is behind that site?
http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/search/balbriggan/ardgillan.html
http://www.fingalcoco.ie/CommunityRecreationandAmenitiesDepartment/Parks/Playgrounds/
http://irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/balbriggan/ardgillan_castle.html
http://www.discoverireland.com/gb/ireland-plan-your-visit/listings/product/?fid=FI_30049

Looks to me like it's these guys behind the land grab

tatli_lokma

JohnW2008 wrote: »

Anyone seen this website? www.ardgillanskerries.com

Ridiculous, since when is Ardgillan in Skerries??

Its def Balbriggan, and having met the manager of Ardgillan, I doubt this address was proposed by him.
Seems strange - the website I mean, with no reference to the manager, or the fact that they do weddings????

I also wonder who is behind the site???

Bluetonic

Alan Farrell wrote: »

One of my colleagues on the council always says, rather aggressively that its in Balbriggan but the OSI maps suggest otherwise.

It's irrelevant as to what the OSI map suggests Alan, Ardgillan is in the Balbriggan area, despite the misinformed intentions of others to change it's address.

philtaylor

OSI and telephone number suggests its in Skerries ie. 849 is Skerries

JohnW2008

It is in Balbriggan. Pathetic one upmanship on behalf of Skerries.

What next? Bremore Castle, Skerries too?

Absurdum

Let's steal their windmills

Bluetonic

philtaylor wrote: »

OSI and telephone number suggests its in Skerries ie. 849 is Skerries

Anyone or anything can suggest what they like to be honest, ignorance is bliss, and there has been ignorant people stating Ardgillan is in Skerries for many a year - it still doesn't change the fact that it's in Balbriggan.

Eoineo

philtaylor wrote: »

OSI and telephone number suggests its in Skerries ie. 849 is Skerries

:rolleyes: I am aware of at least 12 residences in NORTH Balbriggan who may be surprised to learn that 849 is a Skerries phone number.

bcmf

JohnW2008 wrote: »

What next? Bremore Castle, Skerries too?

Well if it's the Bremore Castle houses well then Skerries can have it without a fight.:P

I am starting the 'Ardgillan Castle is in Balrothery' campaign here.
Afaik Balrothery was a bigger and more important then either Balbriggan or Skerries when Ardgillan was built*. Any claims of ownership by either Skerries or Balbriggan is shameless oneupman's ship similar to what I am doing here

I know a good few people who live in the direct vicinity of the castle and will pick their brains on the matter.







* may not be factually correct.

Bluetonic

bcmf wrote: »

I am starting the 'Ardgillan Castle is in Balrothery' campaign here.

Of course your 100% right, when originally built it was Argillan in the parish of Balrothery, and the electoral division of Balbriggan. Balrothery being the important center of the time, long since superseded in importance by Balbriggan.

The parish now of course is referred to as one - The Parish of Balbriggan, Balrothery and Balscadden. The parish of Balrothery no longer exists on its own.

Therefore its correct to say Ardgillan is in either Balrothery or Balbriggan based on when it was currently built or it's current status. By no stretch of the imagination is it or has it ever been in Skerries, except in the minds of the deranged.

philtaylor

Ok so OSI and now Fingal county council say its in Skerries.

* The Castle is managed jointly with the Skerries Development and Community Association Limited and Fingal County Council.

Source: http://www.fingalcoco.ie/CommunityRecreationandAmenitiesDepartment/Parks/ParksHeritageProperties/ArdgillanCastle/

Bluetonic

philtaylor wrote: »

Ok so OSI and now Fingal county council say its in Skerries.

* The Castle is managed jointly with the Skerries Development and Community Association Limited and Fingal County Council.

This does not change it's Balbriggan location, it can be managed in conjunction with any body.

I can pull as many links from FCC with the address as Balbriggan, mainly due to the fact that it is in Balbriggan.

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/CommunityRecreationandAmenitiesDepartment/Parks/Playgrounds/

Attempts to try and prove it is in Skerries are childish.

Alan Farrell

Bluetonic wrote: »

It's irrelevant as to what the OSI map suggests Alan, Ardgillan is in the Balbriggan area, despite the misinformed intentions of others to change it's address.

Ok, don't shoot the messenger.

philtaylor

Bluetonic wrote: »

This does not change it's Balbriggan location, it can be managed in conjunction with any body.

I can pull as many links from FCC with the address as Balbriggan, mainly due to the fact that it is in Balbriggan.

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/CommunityRecreationandAmenitiesDepartment/Parks/Playgrounds/

Attempts to try and prove it is in Skerries are childish.

Yeah this is getting pretty heated, put does it really matter. Seems strange as to why would take pick a Skerries Management body rather than Balbriggan. Is it childish now if both the latest publications from the Council, Failte Ireland and the Government refer to it as in Skerries.
http://www.gov.ie/en/photos/18/

Doesn't really bother me either way.

Bluetonic

I think it does matter to be honest. You can't just claim rights over something which is clearly located elsewhere. It's just silly really.

If it was something negative you'd be sure it would be clearly defined that it's in Balbriggan, but because it's a wonderful resource and spectacular parkland a certain element in Skerries wish to have it's address changed. Not surprising really, it's been going on for years, still doesn't stop it being quite silly and childish.

Bluetonic

philtaylor wrote: »

Seems strange as to why would take pick a Skerries Management body rather than Balbriggan..

There is none in Balbriggan.

minikin

My neighbour has a lovely garden with a really nice lawn, no daisies or brown patches... much nicer than my own lawn, in fact sometimes I mow it for him as they travel a lot and I hate to see it becoming overgrown but i have the good sense not to go claiming it as my own.... apparently the tenth commandment never got as far as Skerries

philtaylor

Addresses and boundaries change. I think people forget Ardgillan was orginally in Balscadden, then Balrothery, then Balbriggan and now its in Skerries. In fairness all 4 hold true.

Bluetonic

philtaylor wrote: »

Addresses and boundaries change. I think people forget Ardgillan was orginally in Balscadden, then Balrothery, then Balbriggan and now its in Skerries. In fairness all 4 hold true.

Your wrong. Ardgillan was NEVER in Balscadden, is NOT now in Skerries and is STILL geograhically in Balrothery and Balbriggan.

philtaylor

Whats with the caps? There too many B names in that area between Barneargerra etc... I meant Baltrasna not Balscaden.

Bluetonic

philtaylor wrote: »

Whats with the caps? There too many B names in that area between Barneargerra etc... I meant Baltrasna not Balscaden.

Used for emphasis

Baltrasna is further south though, Kilmainham would be between that and Ardgillan.

In fairness I think most people understand that those claiming it to be in Skerries have down so for their own personal agendas. The rest know the truth and thats all that matters.

This nearly reminds me of the 'Welcome To Skerries' sign at Barneargerra. Talk about notions.

midonogh

Are we not missing the point here?
It is Ardgillan Castle claiming to be in Skerries, not the people of Skerries laying some claim to Ardgillan. Now why would they do that?

Bluetonic

midonogh wrote: »

Are we not missing the point here?
It is Ardgillan Castle claiming to be in Skerries, not the people of Skerries laying some claim to Ardgillan. Now why would they do that?

No it's you that's missing the point.

The website is not official, merely some third party.

meditraitor

Its a wonderfull resource which any town would be proud to have it, the whole Ardgillan is in skerries has been going on for many years but as was pointed out by most of the posters on this thread it is in Balbriggan and will stay there.

Fingalian

Geez and there's me thinking it was part of Greater Malahide.

minikin

minikin

Yeah this is getting pretty heated, put does it really matter. Seems strange as to why would take pick a Skerries Management body rather than Balbriggan. Is it childish now if both the latest publications from the Council, Failte Ireland and the Government refer to it as in Skerries.
http://www.gov.ie/en/photos/18/

Doesn't really bother me either way.

I don't see how that link supports the view that Ardgillan is in Skerries... :pac:

Bluetonic

minikin wrote: »

I don't see how that link supports the view that Ardgillan is in Skerries... :pac:

Oh look, it's been changed

LeoB

Would have always thought Ardgillen was in Balrothery or Balbriggan. End of. I have had some slagging match's with Skerries people saying its in Skeries.

Balbriggan needs a development committee with people earmarked to get involved in Ardgillen. When you look at the job the Skerries Tidy towns do places like Balbriggan and Rush lag behind. But it does not change the fact Ardgillen is in Skeries.

Next on the list for Skerries is the Old Church in Lusk;)

minikin

yeah i don't think anyone questions the good work that the Skerries Development and Community Association Limited do, equally I'm sure everyone who uses the facility appreciates what Fingal Co Co have done for the wider community in maintaining such an excellent facility, it's just a pity that whoever is behind this website has cast a shadow over all their efforts.

The Hill Billy

LeoB wrote: »

Next on the list for Skerries is the Old Church in Lusk;)

We're gearing up for a takeover of The Hill of Tara next.

bcmf

was talking to a local who'se family for have lived in the shadow of Ardgillan. Very interesting.He is aware of the fact of the Skerries push to have Ardgillan as part of their 'locale'.
Never was Ardgillan in the boundry of Skerries. In fact he believes that in was in Balrothery (As stated above) but also that it may have been within the boundry of Hampton at some stage.Dont forget that Hampton Hall* is only a stones throw, as the crow flies, from Ardgillan.

Just on a slight side track. Balrothery.......just to indicate how big the townland of Balrothery was he reckons that if you look at the pump in the Square in Lusk in may have Balrothery stamped on it which will indicate will the townland.


*If you dont know where Hampton Hall is go around the back of Balbriggan Golf Course and instead of turning left into the Chantries keep to the right. You will eventually come to Hampton Hall. AFAIK it was previously a Gaelscoil. It is now a Private Property so please act in that way. It is a nice walk down.

LeoB

Hill Billy wrote: »

We're gearing up for a takeover of The Hill of Tara next.

Will ye put a footbridge over the new road?;)
Well anyway, Rush is gearing up to take them "little Islands" off Skerries

meditraitor

All Jokes aside I've had a look at this Skerries Development and Community Association Limited. I will give them one thing, they are well organised, a model organisation I would say.

Does anyone know how they fund themselves? Why the Limited, are they a company?