The butterfly effect. Have you killed someone

MooseJam

OK not actually killed them but nudged them towards their death, you press the button at the lights and all the cars stop - a family who would otherwise have made it safely home now have a head on collision with a drunk. We all divert so many people everyday in different ways.

Would it bother you to know that your actions contributed towards someones death that without you they would be alive. Would you want to know ?

poisonated

That is an interesting question and my answer would be that no,it wouldn't bother me.I believe in fate.If it is going to happen,nothing can really stop it.I think that God has a plan for everyone.

dr.bollocko

I ate a baby.

Pompey Magnus

MooseJam wrote: »

Would it bother you to know that your actions contributed towards someones death that without you they would be alive.

Not unless I was directly responsible, whats the point in being bothered with something you have no control over?

wudangclan

Certainly not in the above case.
As the Taoists say "Sh1t happens".

wylo

I may have killed one or 2, but ive also saved thousands of lives

DarkJager

MooseJam wrote: »

OK not actually killed them but nudged them towards their death, you press the button at the lights and all the cars stop - a family who would otherwise have made it safely home now have a head on collision with a drunk. We all divert so many people everyday in different ways.

Would it bother you to know that your actions contributed towards someones death that without you they would be alive. Would you want to know ?

I'd be more pissed off about those ****ers who press the lights when there's only one car coming towards them.

Wazdakka

Not at all..

How can you possibly feel guilty about anything like that? You have no control over it.

If their face somehow got under my hammer it's not my fault.

wudangclan

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I ate a baby.

And if that baby was John Connor we'll all suffer due to the butterfly effect.

mikom

MooseJam wrote: »

The butterfly effect. Have you killed someone?

No.......... but after the "Butterfly effect 2" I was fit to kill someone.

Wazdakka

wudangclan wrote: »

And if that baby was John Connors we'll all suffer due to the butterfly effect.

Oh Sh....

ejmaztec

Mary Harney should be asked the same question in relation to the cervical cancer jab lack of funding.

Riddle101

If we started to think that our actions could affect another persons life, then we'd never leave our house again for fear of causing someone any harm or chagnging the future. Sort of like in Final Destination 2 where your one from the first film is living in some asylum because she was afraid that she would die if she left and wanted to be away from any danger to her. For me, I don't think about things like that, i'm a doer and have no regrets about what I may have done or caused.

I don't care about all that, if I pushed a guy out of the way of a moving bus and he turns out to be the next Hitler and kills millions of people. It's not my concern.

BDR

read a book once called '5 people you meet in Heaven'. It was good, was about 5 people who wait for you who's lives you have affected in some way.

CrazyRabbit

My 3rd last post here will ultimately bring about the end of the world.

Latchy

Rerminds me a bit like the surreal movie I watched last week about a guy ( used to be in eastenders) who's girlfriend is killed in a black taxi .Devestated after seeing her at the hospital morgue , he returns home in deep shock only for her to 'mysteriously appear' as if nothing happened .Then he has to deal with somehow preventing what he knows is going to happen and as much as he trys to change events

he cant prevent it happening

Riddle101

Latchy wrote: »

Rerminds me a bit like the surreal movie I watched last week about a guy ( used to be in eastenders) who's girlfriend is killed in a black taxi .Devestated after seeing her at the hospital morgue , he returns home in deep shock only for her to 'mysteriously appear' as if nothing happened .Then he has to deal with somehow preventing what he knows is going to happen and as much as he trys to change events

he cant prevent it happening

I think it was called the Bus That Couldn't Slow Down. That just popped into my head when I read this post.

silverharp

I picked a candidate for an interview but he didnt turn up on the day , was on to agency and they said he'd been in a car crash going to the interview. Me I like lucky generals, didnt invite him back

Latchy

Riddle101 wrote: »

I think it was called the Bus That Couldn't Slow Down. That just popped into my head when I read this post.

It was set in London so that title would fit ok ,cheers

ejmaztec

Latchy wrote: »

Rerminds me a bit like the surreal movie I watched last week about a guy ( used to be in eastenders) who's girlfriend is killed in a black taxi .Devestated after seeing her at the hospital morgue , he returns home in deep shock only for her to 'mysteriously appear' as if nothing happened .Then he has to deal with somehow preventing what he knows is going to happen and as much as he trys to change events

he cant prevent it happening

After saying that, I think the blacked out spoiler was surplus to requirements.:P

eVeNtInE

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Latchy

ejmaztec wrote: »

After saying that, I think the blacked out spoiler was surplus to requirements.:P

Ya highlighted text ,I did think it might be out of place cos people will always look anyway ...well most of the time

ejmaztec

Latchy wrote: »

Ya know i did think it might be out of place cos people will always look anyway ...well most of the time

I remember seeing that film and thought that the 50 quid that it cost to make was money well spent.

Latchy

ejmaztec wrote: »

I remember seeing that film and thought that the 50 quid that it cost to make was money well spent.

Yes I thought so to for a low budget film it was very good

BrokenArrows

invited a friend to a friendly poker game. he had never played poker before.

a number of years later. gambles like a twat with all his money. all my fault.

i saw it happening and did everything i could to stop him gambling but its hard when a pass-time of mine is playing poker,well it was at the time.

anyway i feel bad about it.

now that i have confessed, im guilt free and ill gladly take all his money next time i sit at a poker table with him. haha

hunter164

I'd love to see Biggins reply to this.

ejmaztec

hunter164 wrote: »

I'd love to see Biggins reply to this.

Probably off somewhere trying to outrun some off-season butterflies.

Overheal

I let off this huge blaster of a fart one time.

13 hours later the Indian Tsunami disaster happened.

ScumLord

MooseJam wrote: »

Would it bother you to know that your actions contributed towards someones death that without you they would be alive. Would you want to know ?

If it makes you feel any better your purchasing decisions have probably lead to the deaths of a few people and at the very least have contributed to the suffering of countless children.

I'm not that bothered, India and China have too many children anyway.

Danbo!

Ive heard a lot of people say after someone they knew died tragically "If only he had missed the bus" or "if only he wasnt working late" etc..etc..

I was working late one night and cycling home, I got hit by a car. Since then I often wonder about how many times I've 'missed the bus' or 'worked late' etc and avoided possible death. Try not to think about it too much tho

jackthekipper

poisonated wrote: »

That is an interesting question and my answer would be that no,it wouldn't bother me.I believe in fate.If it is going to happen,nothing can really stop it.I think that God has a plan for everyone.

Pol Pot dying of old age isn't a good plan.

Spore

Butterfly effect is total b.s. who's to say your one action in pressing a button wont be immediately counteracted by another action to do or not do something. We make decisions based on given information. I make a decision then immediately you'll make a countervailing decision based on your information. I'm liable only for what I did, you do something based on your personal mindset. No one person controls a series of casual events that lead to a certain outcome. What we should be discussing here is the far greater picture that is narrative. I'll persuade you that guns are bad therefore your shouldn't buy the gun that may or may not result in your using said gun to kill some one. That decision is something that might result in a real world outcome not merely a miniscule decision to say cross a road at a given time or open your door to the postman - inconsequential actions at most.

citizen_p

emm if you mean like that stupid film with the button...id press it tons of times....


i wouldnt really mind

jumpguy

One day I threw a snowball at a tree. This caused snow on the tree to dislodge and fall. This fell on a parked car below. The driver entered the parked car and started up. At a crucial moment, he had to look at his dashboard while he was pulling out to turn on the wipers to clear the snow. A truck slammed into him.

Okay, that didn't really happen, but it could.

ejmaztec

jumpguy wrote: »

One day I threw a snowball at a tree. This caused snow on the tree to dislodge and fall. This fell on a parked car below. The driver entered the parked car and started up. At a crucial moment, he had to look at his dashboard while he was pulling out to turn on the wipers to clear the snow. A truck slammed into him.

Okay, that didn't really happen, but it could.

You've made it happen to a man in an alternate reality.:eek:

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Well if they're gonna die cos of me they better hurry up and do it and decrease the surplus population

ScumLord

jumpguy wrote: »

One day I threw a snowball at a tree. This caused snow on the tree to dislodge and fall. This fell on a parked car below. The driver entered the parked car and started up. At a crucial moment, he had to look at his dashboard while he was pulling out to turn on the wipers to clear the snow. A truck slammed into him.

Okay, that didn't really happen, but it could.

That reminds me of the time I climbed a tree, my neighbor and friend was underneath me pursuing his Thundercats sticker album practically finished, whereas I had a massive collection of the same sticker. I pulled out my flute and pissed down on top of him and his almost complete thunderbirds sticker album thus ruining his precious sticker album. That tree has since been cut down, butterfly effect in full swing it was, nobody could have seen it coming.

arybvtcw0eolkf

BDR wrote: »

read a book once called '5 people you meet in Heaven'. It was good, was about 5 people who wait for you who's lives you have affected in some way.

Ordered just now, sounds interesting

ejmaztec

Spore wrote: »

or open your door to the postman - inconsequential actions at most.

Say you open the door to the postman and are on the verge of a breakdown after not being able to keep up with your bills. You get the final threatening letter that drives you over the edge and you kill yourself. Later that evening your lotto numbers come up.

If you hadn't opened the door to the postman, you'd have been a lot better off in more ways than one.

wudangclan

ejmaztec wrote: »

Say you open the door to the postman and are on the verge of a breakdown after not being able to keep up with your bills. You get the final threatening letter that drives you over the edge and you kill yourself. Later that evening your lotto numbers come up.

If you hadn't opened the door to the postman, you'd have been a lot better off in more ways than one.

Or the postman knocks on the door, 'someones' ma answers ,invites postman in,they get it on and he uses the fabled butterfly technique...

smk89

I think the Dr Who episode Turn Left perfectly illustrates this treads point

Now to counter this nerdy post... with alcohol

wudangclan

Spore wrote: »

Butterfly effect is total b.s. who's to say your one action in pressing a button wont be immediately counteracted by another action to do or not do something. We make decisions based on given information. I make a decision then immediately you'll make a countervailing decision based on your information. I'm liable only for what I did, you do something based on your personal mindset. No one person controls a series of casual events that lead to a certain outcome. What we should be discussing here is the far greater picture that is narrative. I'll persuade you that guns are bad therefore your shouldn't buy the gun that may or may not result in your using said gun to kill some one. That decision is something that might result in a real world outcome not merely a miniscule decision to say cross a road at a given time or open your door to the postman - inconsequential actions at most.

No,I believe it's actually been proven,by Chaos Theory.

Sharpshooter

I believe in the butterfly effect.

Take a normal healthy person who overhears someone commenting on their weight in a bad light.
That person might well be the right weight for their height and looks fine.
But they hear the comment and start to lose confidence.

They begin to starve themselves to " Look Normal".

That effects so many people in their lives when anorexia takes hold.

I think the butterfly effect is akin to dropping a pebble in water, the ripples effect everyone from the inside out as far as they go.

Serious post from SS. :eek:

ScumLord

Sharpshooter wrote: »

I think the butterfly effect is akin to dropping a pebble in water, the ripples effect everyone from the inside out as far as they go.

But there's 7 billion other people dropping pebbles in the water at the same time. By your reckoning all the ripples off their stones could be attributed to you, unless you can accurately track your own ripples in the abundance of ripples and know which ripples effects are down to you and not the effects of other peoples ripples effecting your ripples.

wudangclan

1.Invent ripple detector.
2.????
3.Profit

Sharpshooter

ScumLord wrote: »

But there's 7 billion other people dropping pebbles in the water at the same time. By your reckoning all the ripples off their stones could be attributed to you, unless you can accurately track your own ripples in the abundance of ripples and know which ripples effects are down to you and not the effects of other peoples ripples effecting your ripples.

No, I was referring to one comment that is overheard and that comment causes a reaction that effects not only the person who overheard it but many people connected to the person it effected.

wudangclan

Sharpshooter wrote: »

No, I was referring to one comment that is overheard and that comment causes a reaction that effects not only the person who overheard it but many people connected to the person it effected.

The Iraqi taxi driver?

ScumLord

Sharpshooter wrote: »

No, I was referring to one comment that is overheard and that comment causes a reaction that effects not only the person who overheard it but many people connected to the person it effected.

I counter with Chinese whispers.

DirkVoodoo

I'm pretty sure every time I go to McDonalds, buy a pair of well priced jeans, eat some nestle chocolate or drink a coke, that I am killing someone.

But so is everyone else.

Unless your actions have a very direct effect, then it's easy to play "x degrees of separation" and end up realising that you are murdering someone somewhere, so it becomes pretty trivial.

Sharpshooter

wudangclan wrote: »

The Iraqi taxi driver?

Could be.;)

ScumLord wrote: »

I counter with Chinese whispers.

Burn..:(

OutlawPete

Sharpshooter wrote: »

I believe in the butterfly effect.

Take a normal healthy person who overhears someone commenting on their weight in a bad light.
That person might well be the right weight for their height and looks fine.
But they hear the comment and start to lose confidence.

They begin to starve themselves to " Look Normal".

That effects so many people in their lives when anorexia takes hold.

I think the butterfly effect is akin to dropping a pebble in water, the ripples effect everyone from the inside out as far as they go.

Serious post from SS. :eek:

I was just going to say the exact same thing but I would have been far less eloquent as usual

There is no question that small insignificant things in your life, have dramatic effects.

For instance, I have a mate since I was 15 that I met just because I left my money at home. Was up at the chippers where I was from and he offered to pay and said I could fix him up as he had seen me around.

Ever since we have been close mates.

The amount of things we have done together, like - go to weddings, night outs, footie games .. thousands of stuff and none of it would ever have happened had I have brought my money that night.

I don't believe in fate for a second.

How can anyone look at the hell in this world and then say it's all meant to be.