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Norse Spiral
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09-12-2009 8:01pm#1http://gizmodo.com/5422574/giant-mysterious-spiral-takes-over-the-skies-of-norway
I thought the CT crowd would be All. Over this.Could it all be a hoax? Maybe it's a massive joke, but all kinds of Norwegian news sites are reporting on it. According to NKR—Norway's national TV channel—it could be related to a rocket fired from a Russian submarine in the White Sea. The Russians are denying any part on it at this at the moment. Nick Banbury, a witness located at Harstad, described how it all happened:As hard as it is to believe, you can't dispute the fact that the strange spiral was witnessed and recorded by thousands of people from hundreds of miles away, which means that the phenomenon occurred at a very high altitude. Even Phil Plait from Bad Astronomy agrees that this is real, and says that it was probably a rocket out of control.We are used to seeing lots of auroras here in Arctic Norway, but on my way to work this morning I saw something completely unexpected. Between 7:50 and 8:00 a.m. local time, there was a strange light in the sky. It consisted initially of a green beam of light similar in colour to the aurora with a mysterious rotating spiral at one end. This spiral then got bigger and bigger until it turned into a huge halo in the sky with the green beam extending down to the earth.
So barring any epic group joke, expect your new alien overlords to arrive at any time now. We can only hope they are all peace-loving voluptuous blondes with blue eyes. [Altaposten, VG, NRK via SpaceWeather via Universe Today—thanks Gonzalo Oxenford]
If you know Norwegian and have any information, contact me on AIM or by mail.
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Apparantly it was a rocket that went out of control. Seen by thousands all over norway (really?)
. Well that's the explanation they give. 
They always ruin all the fun with their explanations.
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I was looking at this on youtube there was a second the next night over norway aswell , and one over russia a few day's later aparently it came from some thing called haarp not to sure what that is tho and on the news they said it was like some new russian rocket being tested but it looks really wierd for a rocket
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I love the Conspiracy Theories forunmysterious wrote: »It is more likely to be
A. Galactic federation
B. Preparation for staged alien invasion or faked disclosure
C. Using holographic technology.
D. stargate opening.
Or even just to test to see how the public react to this.
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OK, you want some debunking on that post, you got it!
I had a look around for some alternative explanations for what was said in that abovetopsecret post, because I'm constantly told to do my own research and open my mind.
The poster makes several points.
This picture is not entirely accurate. Sure the curvature of the Earth is taken into account, but what isn't is the fact that the Earth is spinning at 450mph at this point, which would have to be compensated for. Unlike an aircraft, a missile has to hit what is essentially a moving target. So it would have had to be aimed in a northerly direction. This accounts for how, when the missile failed in the second phase, it was seen over Norway.
Next, the poster is claiming that because there were few sightings in Sweden and Finland. He's not taking weather considerations and population densities into account here. Not everyone has a camera with them at dusk. Many of the Norwegian photos were taken from Tromso, which is more densely populated than comparable areas around it.
He says that this is proof of the missile launch. Firstly, he never says where this was taken from, who took it and with what kind of equipment. Also there is no frame of reference to judge distance or height or anything!
If this even is a picture of the rocket plume it seems far too erratic, as the first and second phase of the launch would not produce this. Looks like IF this is the plume, it is well after the launch, meaning the wind would have effected the shape.
His mathematics fails to incorporate arching of the rocket and the problem I explained above regarding it's northward travel.
http://www.moonglow.net/ccd/pictures/rocket/index.html
Here are some nice photos of plumes taken at a distance of ~250 miles away.
As you can see, when the rocket is launched, the plume is thin. Over time it spreads out. His maths assumes that it stays the same, even though the sun is rising in these pictures, but not in the pictures of the spiral (meaning this photo was taken after the event).
So looks like he didn't account for everything. While i'm at it, here's the rocket spin simulation (Which has already been posted, but it's just that good folks!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4&feature=related
Abovetopsecrets alternative hypothesis? It was EISCAT. Why? Because he said so. He went into so much detail "debunking" the rocket scenario, but failed to prove his own.
(I fully expect this post to be ignored, or for someone to post a one sentence reply, but what do I care!)0 -
This picture is not entirely accurate. Sure the curvature of the Earth is taken into account, but what isn't is the fact that the Earth is spinning at 450mph at this point, which would have to be compensated for. Unlike an aircraft, a missile has to hit what is essentially a moving target. So it would have had to be aimed in a northerly direction. This accounts for how, when the missile failed in the second phase, it was seen over Norway.
The rotation of the earth has no impact on airborne objects within the atmosphere. This is why airplanes and missiles travel at the same speed whether they are going east or west. A passenger in a stationary hot-air balloon does not observe the earth traveling at 450 mph below them because they are traveling in the same direction at the same speed.Next, the poster is claiming that because there were few sightings in Sweden and Finland. He's not taking weather considerations and population densities into account here. Not everyone has a camera with them at dusk. Many of the Norwegian photos were taken from Tromso, which is more densely populated than comparable areas around it.
No, there were no sightings whatsoever in Sweden or Finland. Two cities that should have seen a rocket would be Kiruna, Sweden and Sodankyla, Finland as they are both within 100 miles of the supposed flight path of the missile. It is interesting that both of these cities have EISCAT stations. Kiruna is home to the ESTRACK Kiruna Station of ESA, the European Space Agency. It is also home to Esrange, the European Space and Sounding Rocket Range, as well as an EISCAT station and EISCAT scientific headquarters. Not one of these agencies reported seeing anything out of the ordinary. Sodankyla is also home to the Jaeger Brigade of the Finnish Army. Surely they would have seen something on radar, but again there were no reports of anything out of the ordinary.He says that this is proof of the missile launch. Firstly, he never says where this was taken from, who took it and with what kind of equipment. Also there is no frame of reference to judge distance or height or anything!
If this even is a picture of the rocket plume it seems far too erratic, as the first and second phase of the launch would not produce this. Looks like IF this is the plume, it is well after the launch, meaning the wind would have effected the shape.
His mathematics fails to incorporate arching of the rocket and the problem I explained above regarding it's northward travel.
http://www.moonglow.net/ccd/pictures/rocket/index.html
Here are some nice photos of plumes taken at a distance of ~250 miles away.
As you can see, when the rocket is launched, the plume is thin. Over time it spreads out. His maths assumes that it stays the same, even though the sun is rising in these pictures, but not in the pictures of the spiral (meaning this photo was taken after the event).
You're comparing the plume of a possible missile with a rocket that was fired into space?
So looks like he didn't account for everything. While i'm at it, here's the rocket spin simulation (Which has already been posted, but it's just that good folks!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4&feature=related
This simulation would work if the videos had been taken from directly in front of the spiral, but unfortunately they were not. They were taken at an angle so the spiral would have appeared lopsided, not near perfect as seen in the videos. This simulation does not prove the rocket theory in the slightest.Abovetopsecrets alternative hypothesis? It was EISCAT. Why? Because he said so. He went into so much detail "debunking" the rocket scenario, but failed to prove his own.
Countries all over the world, from the U.S to Japan, have access to the EISCAT system. It would therefore be difficult to provide definitive information regarding what EISCAT is used for at any one time. Going by the complete lack of real evidence to support the rocket theory, we must look for other explanations. Given EISCAT's ability to heat the ionosphere, it would not be so unbelievable that it is capable of creating something like we witnessed in Norway.(I fully expect this post to be ignored, or for someone to post a one sentence reply, but what do I care!)
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Here's a picture of the missile that was said to be the cause of the spiral. We all know what it looks like, right? Why then would anyone test this yoke at night when no-one (including engineers working on it) can see it? The spiral effect could be caused by any number of things falling toward the ground, ejecting stuff while rotating.0 -
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My head says laser hologram type stuff on low lying cloud. My heart says wormhole aliens. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4
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