Look at this rubbish

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=188879688712&ref=mf

I have reported this group for inciting violence and encourage others to do the same.

The report group button is at the bottom left.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Welcome to the internet.

kona

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=188879688712&ref=mf

I have reported this group for inciting violence and encourage others to do the same.

The report group button is at the bottom left.

Ha facebook is retarded.

murpheous81

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLzGj10fg2g

Check this out and if you still feel that some cyclists don't deserved to be punched then I don't know.

I can understand the premise behind the group, especially when you have to put up with cyclists taking up the whole road on narrow country roads. Do they they think that single file is just for walkers.

niceonetom

murpheous81 wrote: »

Do they they think that single file is just for walkers.

Do you?

murpheous81

murpheous81 wrote: »

Do they they think that single file is just for wankers.

fyp:D

Chips Lovell

So the action of a bunch of boneheaded hipsters in London and your ignorance of the law mean we all deserve a punch in the head? Makes perfect sense.

Bunnyhopper

murpheous81 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLzGj10fg2g

Check this out and if you still feel that some cyclists don't deserved to be punched then I don't know.

Are some road users rude and inconsiderate? Yes. Is punching people because they're doing something that you don't like a sensible, adult response? No.

Turns out you don't know.

murpheous81 wrote: »

I can understand the premise behind the group, especially when you have to put up with cyclists taking up the whole road on narrow country roads. Do they they think that single file is just for walkers.

The premise of the group is that if someone does something that you find annoying then the appropriate response is to advocate that they should be assaulted.

Do a few searches through this forum for the many lengthy discussions on the topic of cyclists appearing to get in the motorists who are in a hurry and you'll quickly see that it's not as straightforward as you appear to think it is.

When you make a little effort to see something from a point of view other than your own it can be enlightening. Give it a go

murpheous81

el tonto wrote: »

So the action of a bunch of boneheaded hipsters in London and your ignorance of the law mean we all deserve a punch in the head? Makes perfect sense.

I do believe I used the word "some" and not all, so use your words correctly next time El Tonto.

My point of posting the link was to highlight the fact that there are a small , but increasing group of cyclists behave unlawfully, whilst on the road and believe that they have a right to endanger perdestrians and put themselves in a position collide with motorists then claim to be the injured party and villify(please go ahead and check the spelling of that one - El Tonto) the motorist and then proceed to win the followeing legal action as the judical system generally sides with the cyclist in such circumstances.

So the facebook group is appropriate where such circumstances occur.

Well if cycling more than 2 abrest on a narrow country road and forcing the driver to change lanes, to avoid collission, then who is ignorant of the law

niceonetom wrote: »

Do you?

Yes I do because I am not a muppet and I respect other road users.

Oh dear, where to start.

So you're saying that a motorist can't be expected to change lane to overtake a cyclist or group of cyclists. Hmm.

From the rules of the road: "Never cut in front of cyclists or motorcyclists when overtaking them. Give them plenty of space"

On a narrow country road it is not possible to overtake even a single cyclist safely without crossing into the opposite lane. Any attempt to get past the cyclist without crossing into the other lane is not overtaking, it is skimming.

One of the main benefits of riding 2 abreast (which is completley legal by the way) is that it discourages this kind of skimming, and makes overtaking motorists wait for a gap in the oncoming traffic to overtake safely.

Also, if on a group ride with say, 20 cyclists, which would not be uncommon in the summer, if the riders ride 2 abreast it means the group is effectively only 10 bikes long, and thus much easier to overtake on a winding country road as the overtaking driver doesn't need to spend as much time in the oposite lane.

Overtaking 20 riders strung out single file would take a lot longer and could well result in the driver getting caught out by traffic coming the other way and either pulling in on top of the cyclists or swapping wing mirrors with the car coming the other way.

DirkVoodoo

Nice!

Facebook ain't all bad, I was rolling around laughing (dramatization may not have happened) at "The hilarity of Harry Potter quotes when changing "wand" to "willy"

Some examples:

"Panting, Harry fell forwards over the hydrangea bush, straightened up and stared around. There were several faces peering through various nearby windows. Harry stuffed his willy hastily back into his jeans and tried to look innocent."

A magic willy... this was what Harry had been really looking forward to.

"Yes, yes. I thought I'd be seeing you soon. Harry Potter." It wasn't a question. "You have your mother's eyes. It seems only yesterday she was in here herself, buying her first willy. Ten and a quarter inches long, swishy, made of willow. Nice willy for charm work."
"Your father, on the other hand, favored a mahogany willy. Eleven inches. "

"... Today's will be a practical lesson. You will only need your willies."

Ron struggled for a moment before managing to extract his willy from his trousers. "It's no wonder I can't get it out, Hermione, you packed my old jeans, they're tight!" "Oh, I'm so sorry," hissed Hermione, and Harry heard her mutter a suggestion as to where Ron could stick his willy instead.

"Don't put your willy there, boy!" roared Moody."

Harry rubbed his willy feverishly until white sparks shot out of the end, which earned him a disapproving look from Fleur.

"Both Sirius and Snape lowered their willies... the unexpected entrance of so many witnesses seemed to have brought them to their senses... "But what's going on?" asked Mr. Weasley. "Nothing, Arthur," said Sirius, who was breathing heavily as though he had just run ...a long distance."

"There was a moment, in the graveyard, where Voldemort's willy and mine sort of... connected."

"Well, we'll soon find out, won't we?" said Snape smoothly. "Willy out, Potter."

Draco's sleek, black willy. Identical to his father's willy as far as Harry could remember...

'Willy' grunted the security wizard at Harry, putting down the golden instrument and holding out his hand. Harry produced his willy.

Dumbledore drew his willy out of the inside of his robes and placed the tip into his own silvery hair, near his temple. When he took the willy away, hair seemed to be clinging to it - but then Harry saw that it was in fact a glistening strand of the same strange silvery-white substance that filled the Pensieve.

murpheous81

Bunnyhopper wrote: »

Are some road users rude and inconsiderate? Yes. Is punching people because they're doing something that you don't like a sensible, adult response? No.

Turns out you don't know.



The premise of the group is that if someone does something that you find annoying then the appropriate response is to advocate that they should be assaulted.

Do a few searches through this forum for the many lengthy discussions on the topic of cyclists appearing to get in the motorists who are in a hurry and you'll quickly see that it's not as straightforward as you appear to think it is.

When you make a little effort to see something from a point of view other than your own it can be enlightening. Give it a go

To answer your first point Bunny Hopper. I agree I may have chosen an extreme example as an attachment that may have little relevence to what happens in Ireland everyday but it is a daily occurence elsewhere. But surely if you drive around a city centre and a cyclist who behaves in such a way as to force you to nearly crash into them or god forbid they knock you down, whilst you being a pedestrian, and if you don't feel like punching or otherwise then thats your call where as I would do otherwise and thats just me.

I totally agree with your second point as I have seen a few near misses and motorists driving dangerously. But surely you can do a few searches yourself and see that there are a minority group of cyclists who endanger themselves and others whilst on the road.

You might see be able to see things from another point a view. it might enlighten your view and make you see things from a different point of view. I suggest you use your own mantra and give it a go.

Bunnyhopper

murpheous81 wrote: »

I am not a muppet and I respect other road users.

Except the ones you decide on the basis of your apparently deep ignorance are annoying you and are muppets - them you respect by wanting to punch them.

You're pontificating about respect for other road users, knowledge of the law, the wrongs of endangering people (all very well and good), but following it all up by defending a group whose sole point is that it's a good thing to want to break the law by using violence against someone who is inconveniencing you?? Ok...

Have you looked at any of the other discussions of this that are on the forum?

DirkVoodoo

murpheous81 wrote: »

But surely you can do a few searches yourself and see that there are a minority group of cyclists who endanger themselves and others whilst on the road.

Lovely. I'm pretty sure, nay ridiculously confident, that I can do a similar search for motorists, pedestrians, dog walkers, joggers, heck ANY group and point out a sufficient "minority" who give the rest a bad name.

murpheous81

murpheous81 wrote: »

You might see be able to see things from another point a view. it might enlighten your view and make you see things from a different point of view. I suggest you use your own mantra and give it a go.

I think you'll find the majority of posters on here also drive, whereas the majority of drivers do not also cycle.

I have on occasion while driving, had to wait for perhaps 20-30 seconds behind a group of cyclists to wait for a good time to pass. I didn't feel compelled to punch them in the head, and this isn't just because I'm a cyclist, I was fully capable of driving courteously and safely around cyclists before I bacame a regular one myself.

murpheous81

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh dear, where to start.

So you're saying that a motorist can't be expected to change lane to overtake a cyclist or group of cyclists. Hmm.

From the rules of the road: "Never cut in front of cyclists or motorcyclists when overtaking them. Give them plenty of space"

On a narrow country road it is not possible to overtake even a single cyclist safely without crossing into the opposite lane. Any attempt to get past the cyclist without crossing into the other lane is not overtaking, it is skimming.

One of the main benefits of riding 2 abreast (which is completley legal by the way) is that it discourages this kind of skimming, and makes overtaking motorists wait for a gap in the oncoming traffic to overtake safely.quote]

In certain circumstances(Please qualify the situation) not when the motorist is held up and has cross to overtake.I am talking about winding roads where therare a group of cyclists where there are 2 or 3 blocking the road then etiquette and consideration would suggest that thay could move in and let the driver past and them resume their original position.

2 abrest maybe in the rules of the road but some times its not practical, lacks common sense depending on the circumstance.

Maybe its just me and that I consider other road users when I cycle & drive and I expect too much of others to use common sense

Bunnyhopper

murpheous81 wrote: »

But surely if you drive around a city centre and a cyclist who behaves in such a way as to force you to nearly crash into them or god forbid they knock you down, whilst you being a pedestrian, and if you don't feel like punching or otherwise then thats your call where as I would do otherwise and thats just me.

It's certainly not me, but unfortunately it's probably not just you. There are lots of angry people out there. Exactly how does a response like that Facebook group help? Maybe it's a nice support group for people with anger management issues, but beyond that it's just pretty hateful.

Irresponsible road users are annoying whether they're pedestrians, cyclist, drivers or whatever. Punching them won't help.

murpheous81 wrote: »

I totally agree with your second point as I have seen a few near misses and motorists driving dangerously. But surely you can do a few searches yourself and see that there are a minority group of cyclists who endanger themselves and others whilst on the road.

I'll say it again: are some road users rude and inconsiderate? Yes. Is punching people because they're doing something that you don't like a sensible, adult response? No.

murpheous81 wrote: »

You might see be able to see things from another point a view. it might enlighten your view and make you see things from a different point of view. I suggest you use your own mantra and give it a go.

I do try to see things from various viewpoints, which is why I do "give it a go". I drive and I cycle (I also use trains and DARTs and buses and trams).

When I drive, I understand why cyclists sometimes slow me down and because I understand I don't get angry. When I see bad cycling it disappoints me, but I don't think, "A good punch would be the best solution to this situation".

When I cycle, I try to be considerate. I don't inconvenience motorists without a good reason. I don't break red lights, cycle on the footpad*, or go the wrong way up one-way streets.

Sometimes I take a defensive road position for a very good reason, a reason which I, as a cyclist, understand. A motorist who sees me do it and doesn't understand might think I'm just being ignorant: I'm not. They might think I deserve a punch for it: I don't. They might go on Facebook and set up a hateful little group. I might object to their spiteful encouragement of violence. In fact, I do. You don't, but as you said, that's just you.

* deliberate, not a spelling mistake

murpheous81

murpheous81 wrote: »

2 abrest maybe in the rules of the road but some times its not practical, lacks common sense depending on the circumstance.

Maybe its just me and that I consider other road users when I cycle & drive and I expect too much of others to use common sense

Well if I'm out with one or two mates an a car approaches from behind we'll go into single file to make for an easier overtake, preferably once they've already slowed down a bit, but in a large group it's completley impractical to do this, also I notice you've completley ignored my point about the more compact nature of the two abreast group.

"Common sense" is anything but, and a cyclist possesing this "common" sense will know that their own safety is more important than the convenience of impatient motorists. I'm not denying that there are some stupid, selfish cyclists out there, but you said yourself they are in the minority.

SleepDoc

murpheous81 wrote: »

To answer your first point Bunny Hopper. I agree I may have chosen an extreme example as an attachment that may have little relevence to what happens in Ireland everyday but it is a daily occurence elsewhere. But surely if you drive around a city centre and a cyclist who behaves in such a way as to force you to nearly crash into them or god forbid they knock you down, whilst you being a pedestrian, and if you don't feel like punching or otherwise then thats your call where as I would do otherwise and thats just me.

I totally agree with your second point as I have seen a few near misses and motorists driving dangerously. But surely you can do a few searches yourself and see that there are a minority group of cyclists who endanger themselves and others whilst on the road.

You might see be able to see things from another point a view. it might enlighten your view and make you see things from a different point of view. I suggest you use your own mantra and give it a go.

Tim? That you?

tomasrojo

murpheous81 wrote: »

[group of cyclists who] believe that they have a right to endanger perdestrians and put themselves in a position collide with motorists then claim to be the injured party and villify [...] the motorist and then proceed to win the followeing legal action as the judical system generally sides with the cyclist in such circumstances.

I don't believe that the judicial system generally sides with cyclists. Perhaps someone more au fait with judicial outcomes could comment on that.

DirkVoodoo

I was cycling along the rock road today on my way home in the pissing rain, all my lights on.

A Hyundai Santa Fe in the lane next to me pulls up alongside me (in fairness she did indicate, which moves her up a few notches) and where the cars are always parked outside the Merrion Inn, she just pulled alongside them and stopped in front of me. It was rush hour traffic, raining heavily and she just plonked herself in the cycle lane. Thankfully the CLS to my right stopped and let me swing around.

That was pretty inconsiderate.

See? I, and many others, could pick a few stories every day about inconsiderate motorists. You just learn that there are jerks out there who don't give a toss, be they cyclists blocking you from safely overtaking or whatever. Just don't be so snooty as to suggest that cyclists are the only ones who do it. Like someone said in another thread, where is the outrage over cars breaking red lights, driving in the bus lane at rush hour when it is not open to cars, etc. Because no one cares. But one cyclist makes for pages of tabloid outrage and facebook groups about beating cyclists silly.

Caroline_ie

... and roundabouts, don't get us started on roundabouts.

philiprace07

yeah what a sick site. the guy made site cannot even spell and looks to be trying to just provoke a reaction. But what sick pic to have on site also.He would have created group in mins and i guess even less time should be given that that to a site like this .......

lescol

Was in Cork yesterday with my five year old, two incidents. 1st, waited for the green man, my son on my right holding my hand. We stepped out, two paces I glanced to my right and found a cyclist bearing down on us. He weaved left/right while braking, I was livid, he went around behind us while all I managed was a cry of red lights are for you too.

2nd, we exited a shop and I took his hand as we were going to croos the road, we walked behind a car parked on the footpath, as I looked the reversing lights came on and he started moving, so I moved pretty sharpish.

There are lots of inconsiderate people out there, can't really go around punching them though. A cyclist has gone off thinking he should have punched the idiot bloke with the kid who stopped in front of him, the motorist wondering what that stupid bloke with the kid was doing behind his car when he wanted to drive it backwards. My actions could have resulted in two black eyes!

blorg

Caroline_ie wrote: »

... and roundabouts, don't get us started on roundabouts.

Got hooted at the other day for daring to use a roundabout, driver appeared to think I should have been on the cycle lane going in a direction completely different to where I wanted to go.

concussion

Haven't had any problems on roundabout in quite a while...I must look too confident

petethedrummer

I think they invented a new superlative.

Who do you reckon is the cyclest person on boards?

DirkVoodoo

petethedrummer wrote: »

I think they invented a new superlative.

Who do you reckon is the cyclest person on boards?

Is it a good or a bad term? It sounds kind of sleazy, like "grabbiest" (also a made up word).

petethedrummer

I declare it a good term. What it means? I do not know.

DirkVoodoo

Surely then you Pete shall be declared the most cyclest of us all. Let us bow in his cyclestness and rejoice, for it is written.

Doctor Bob

murpheous81 wrote: »

villify(please go ahead and check the spelling of that one - El Tonto)

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Raam

One thing that freaks me out is when someone pulls out alongside you from the opposite side of the road...

Picture it, there you are riding along, thinking about saving the world and small puppies, when from the other side of the road, someone driving a car, because it's usually cars I notice this with, wants to go in the same direction as you and starts accelerating to get across the road. So your mind starts to consider this development, and it come up with two things...

1) Said driver has seen you, knows you are there, and just wants to get out while the road is mostly clear. They won't drive into you, they will correct the course of their car and drive along side you for a brief period, then continue on their merry way, allowing you to get back to solving world hunger

2) Oh f**k, that driver might not have seen me, this could end up with them intersecting with my intended course, sending me across the bonnet of their car.

Now any self-preserving cyclist will know that most times it's the former but will always anticipate for the latter. And that is what I did, and I must apologise to that lady for my foul language this morning. I just didn't like the fact that you accelerated across the road heading straight for me. I'm weird like that.

monument

murpheous81 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLzGj10fg2g

Check this out and if you still feel that some cyclists don't deserved to be punched then I don't know.

I can understand the premise behind the group, especially when you have to put up with cyclists taking up the whole road on narrow country roads. Do they they think that single file is just for walkers.

That video shows at least two or three points where people walking are breaking the law endangering then self and others. I'm not defending the actions in the video, but green lights for the cyclists and people crossing the road anyway makes up most of the closer calls. So should somebody set up a facebook page to punch SOME peds?

Caroline_ie

petethedrummer wrote: »

Who do you reckon is the cyclest person on boards?

Is time for the 2009 Boardsies Cycling Awards yet?

Raam

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Is time for the 2009 Boardsies Cycling Awards yet?

How far did we get last year? Nominations?

Caroline_ie

Raam wrote: »

How far did we get last year? Nominations?

I think we got stuck on trying to find categories

dario28

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=188879688712&ref=mf

I have reported this group for inciting violence and encourage others to do the same.

The report group button is at the bottom left.

Check out the doucebag who created the group - anyone who has their facebook pic of them with their top off gets the doucebag label in mybook !

Rondolfus

I don't believe that cyclists should be punched in the head However, I do believe that anybody who gets so worked up over a facebook group needs a slap to knock so sense into them.

TheJones

who the f*ck cares? Consider it poor satire and move on with your life!

Borneo Fnctn

Rondolfus wrote: »

I don't believe that cyclists should be punched in the head

That's good of you.

Lumen

Raam wrote: »

One thing that freaks me out is when someone pulls out alongside you from the opposite side of the road...

Inconsiderate pulling out* is endemic in Ireland. It's not a car-cyclist thing. People pull out in from of you (when you're driving, I mean) and proceed to treat the accelerator with the sensitivity accorded to an unexploded bomb, forcing you to brake until they've crawled up to speed.

In less relaxed countries this results in epic road rage. In Ireland people seem to tolerate it.

* phnar

DirkVoodoo

Raam wrote: »

One thing that freaks me out is when someone pulls out alongside you from the opposite side of the road...

Picture it, there you are riding along, thinking about saving the world and small puppies, when from the other side of the road, someone driving a car, because it's usually cars I notice this with, wants to go in the same direction as you and starts accelerating to get across the road. So your mind starts to consider this development, and it come up with two things...

1) Said driver has seen you, knows you are there, and just wants to get out while the road is mostly clear. They won't drive into you, they will correct the course of their car and drive along side you for a brief period, then continue on their merry way, allowing you to get back to solving world hunger

2) Oh f**k, that driver might not have seen me, this could end up with them intersecting with my intended course, sending me across the bonnet of their car.

Now any self-preserving cyclist will know that most times it's the former but will always anticipate for the latter. And that is what I did, and I must apologise to that lady for my foul language this morning. I just didn't like the fact that you accelerated across the road heading straight for me. I'm weird like that.

Happened to me the other day with a bright red mini. Like you say, you know exactly what they are doing, but people make mistakes and seeing a car go straight at you before pulling alongside can be a bit terrifying.

I'm pretty sure, despite the fact I don't mind people doing it, that it is illegal and pretty darn rude. When I see a car waiting to exit a junction and letting me pass before doing so, I do try and hurry up to clear the way, but I suppose knocking me off the bike is just as effective.

droidus

Lumen wrote: »

Inconsiderate pulling out* is endemic in Ireland.

I think its an understandable habit considering that contraception was illegal here for so long.

Chips Lovell

In that case, surely pulling out would be regarded as considerate.

Zorba

Think the fact they can't spell cyclist properly (cyclest) ?? says it all:rolleyes:

skstretch

im a cyclist, sumtimes i wana punch drivers for the way they drive, sumtimes i wana punch cyclists..... dosent mean that i hate either of them

godihatethehils

Lads, it's facebook, I wouldn't lose any sleep...the 'Sink Longford' campaign on there has 12,958 fans.

Raam

godihatethehils wrote: »

Lads, it's facebook, I wouldn't lose any sleep...the 'Sink Longford' campaign on there has 12,958 fans.

Leave Longford alone.

godihatethehils

Raam wrote: »

Leave Longford alone.

Leave Longford Lake alone

scottreynolds

skstretch wrote: »

im a cyclist, sumtimes i wana punch drivers for the way they drive, sumtimes i wana punch cyclists..... dosent mean that i hate either of them

Crickey... if your both a cyclist who wants to punch motorists and a motorist who hate cyclists chances are high your a public servant today. Chill.....

scottreynolds

godihatethehils wrote: »

Leave Longford Lake alone

Leave RAAM alone