Kongo vs Mir

pablohoney87

Just watched the countdown there. Seems like its gonna be a pretty heated one. Knogo said in the interview that hes beatin bjj black belts before. But looking at his record i dont see any black belts. Hardonk Evenson and al-Turk are all purple belts i think and Silva is a brown belt now. Dont know what he was when he faced Kongo.
Can anyone clear this up?
Also any predictions?

peter p

I like Kongo for this one, I think he will put a beating on mir, Kongo is one to look out for in the future imo.

JoeyJJ

Love Kongo's striking hope he can get back to his feet if and when its needed.

chopperbyrne

Think Kongo will use his reach to keep this at a distance and hit some of those very hard leg kicks he likes.

scudzilla

peter p wrote: »

I like Kongo for this one, I think he will put a beating on mir, Kongo is one to look out for in the future imo.

Did you see Cain Valesquez take him apart??

Lord Muck

i expect Kongo to rush in at some stage while Mir is on his back and get caught in some kind of bone breaking sub. Mir Rd 2

ginoginelli

I dont really see kongo losing this tbh. Mir has nothing for him on the feet and will have a hardtime getting kongo to the floor. If it hits the floor, kongo has enough sube defence savvy and experience, to stay out of trouble, and get back to his feet.

My prediction is kongo will light mir up on the feet, and then finish him with a merciful musta ala turk type ground n pound beating.

scudzilla

ginoginelli wrote: »

I dont really see kongo losing this tbh. Mir has nothing for him on the feet and will have a hardtime getting kongo to the floor. If it hits the floor, kongo has enough sube defence savvy and experience, to stay out of trouble, and get back to his feet.

My prediction is kongo will light mir up on the feet, and then finish him with a merciful musta ala turk type ground n pound beating.

I put Mir in a much higher class than Al Turk, Kongo's ground game is crap, Cain exposed that

RugbyFanatic

scudzilla wrote: »

Did you see Cain Valesquez take him apart??

You mean the fight that Kongo had less than a month to prepare for and had Valesquez rocked 3 times?

Dancor

Mir by KO in round 2. He will pick Kongo apart with punches.

RugbyFanatic

Dancor wrote: »

Mir by KO in round 2. He will pick Kongo apart with punches.

Are you serious? Mir could win this but he 100% won't beat Kongo in stand up!

pablohoney87

Well believe it or not i think mir is actually the more technical striker and could beat kongo on the feet. But he is also a smart fighter and wont risk it. Kongo beat hardonk with ease but i believed hardonk to be the more technical striker. Mir is a better boxer but kongo will probably win if it stays on the feet. I see mir winnin with a 2nd round sub though.

danlen

ginoginelli wrote: »

I dont really see kongo losing this tbh. Mir has nothing for him on the feet and will have a hardtime getting kongo to the floor.

Mir's boxing was excellent against nog so i think its unfair to say he has nothing on the feet. obviously kongo has the advantage tho.

ginoginelli wrote: »

If it hits the floor, kongo has enough sube defence savvy and experience, to stay out of trouble, and get back to his feet.

didnt make a good job of getting back to his feet against velasquez, did he?? if this goes to ground with mir in control its over

ginoginelli

scudzilla wrote: »

I put Mir in a much higher class than Al Turk, Kongo's ground game is crap, Cain exposed that

Yes but Cain is a different calibre fighter than Mir. He has high level wrestling and takes everyone down. Cain, who is an excellent fighter, was a nightmare of a match up for kongo. Its worth mentioning that kongo took that fight on short notice with a dodgy knee as well.

Mirs takedowns and wrestling are nowhere near cains level and are actually much closer to kongos. Kongo outwrestled herring, who is a better wrestler than mir imo.

This is a very good match up for kongo.

DrPhilG

ginoginelli wrote: »

Mirs takedowns and wrestling are nowhere near cains level and are actually much closer to kongos. Kongo outwrestled herring, who is a better wrestler than mir imo.

I don't think he outwrestled Herring, they had a crappy fight and Herring won. Herring stated afterwards that he hadn't trained any ground work because he expected a stand up war.

Mir's striking may not be on the level of Kongo, but he isn't bad. The only way Mir can lose this in my opinion is if he gets cocky, (wouldn't be like him) and tries to prove that his striking display against Nogueira wasn't a fluke or anything to do with Nog's staph infection.

I know Velasquez is one of the top wrestlers in the division but he made Kongo look like a joke on the ground. If Mir wants to get this to the mat, he will and he will win there.

Charlie3dan

Not a big fan of Kongo, ground game is awful and for such a big, mean striking specialist he's not hugely impressive standing either.

Mir is the smarter fighter, can certainly hold his own in the striking and if there's any visit to the ground at all he should finish the fight easily.

pablohoney87

I also heard mir is gonna have to cut to 265 now(but not cut much) because hes packed on a consideable amount of muscle since the brock fight.

Dancor

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

Are you serious? Mir could win this but he 100% won't beat Kongo in stand up!

Did you see Mir against Nog? Kongo's stand up is all he's got and even at that I still think Mir's is better.

t-ha

Kongo's stand-up > Mir's stand up
Mir's everything else >> Kongo's everything else

I expect Mir to look to stand with Kongo to assess his own game/ make a statement, but ultimately to win this on the ground. If he stands all night he's gonna get his face all bust up again.

callaway92

I am so pumped for this fight after watching the Countdown..hopefully Kongo by brutal KO which breaks Mir's teeth and nose

Seifer

Just watched the countdown there. Mir somehow manages to be incredibly likable and unlikable at the same time.
He sounds really intelligent and he knows what he's talking about but comes across so arrogant.
I'd like to see Kongo knock him out but I think Mir is much more well rounded and will take it.

sockpuppets

Seifer wrote: »

Just watched the countdown there. Mir somehow manages to be incredibly likable and unlikable at the same time.
He sounds really intelligent and he knows what he's talking about but comes across so arrogant.
I'd like to see Kongo knock him out but I think Mir is much more well rounded and will take it.

very true, i like Mir but he is seriously over confident, but having said that he will destroy Kongo

mirwillbeback

1st round sub, Kongo has NEVER impressed me at the highest level.

/waits for embarassment come Sunday

barochoc

Seifer wrote: »

Just watched the countdown there. Mir somehow manages to be incredibly likable and unlikable at the same time.
He sounds really intelligent and he knows what he's talking about but comes across so arrogant.
I'd like to see Kongo knock him out but I think Mir is much more well rounded and will take it.

I agree with your statement about Mir. He's hard to like & dislike. I don't really like to say I dislike fighters as most of the trash talk they do outside the ring is to try get under the other opponents skin etc.

I do however find Mir very arrogant at the best of times but he is probably the most dangerous heavyweight when it comes to subs. He's very quick & intelligent. He can take a fair beating too.

Kongo on the other hand is a very safe (and boring) fighter at the best of times. He kind of reminds me of Frank Bruno. He has possibly the most impressive physique of any fighter in any weight division in MMA & has great power in his hands but he hasn't really got that killer instinct or ability to finish a fight against smarter opponents even when he rocks them.

Valasquez is a good example. Kongo had several opportunities to finish him when he rocked him bad with good strikes but he allowed Valasquez to grab & hold on to him until he recovered & then start dishing out punishment after getting control of Kongos back.

If Mir plays smart & isn't cocky he has a very good chance of subbing Kongo in R2 or R3. I believe the 1st round will be slow with lots of jabs & both with the feelers out.

Kongo has a strikers chance if he keeps his distance. I don't see him ground & pounding Mir even if he rocks him as Mir will probably pull an arm or leg off if Kongo drops down on him.

Most of Mirs wins come from subs. Most of Kongo's wins come from KO/TKO's. It makes for an interesting match up. Kongo is tough & almost all his losses are from decisions & I think only one loss by TKO. All of Mir's losses are from TKO's!!!!!

I'm going to put my neck out & say Kongo by R2 TKO!!!!

Yep, I'm happy with that

Tones69

ginoginelli wrote: »

I dont really see kongo losing this tbh. Mir has nothing for him on the feet and will have a hardtime getting kongo to the floor. If it hits the floor, kongo has enough sube defence savvy and experience, to stay out of trouble, and get back to his feet.

My prediction is kongo will light mir up on the feet, and then finish him with a merciful musta ala turk type ground n pound beating.

I dont agree with that to be honest, i think mir's standup has come a long way and congo hasnt really faced many decent stand up guys to be fair.
Having said that Frank is maybe underestimating Congos ground game, yes Cain totally dominated him there but Cain is a top class wrestler and i dont think think Frank will be able to take him down as easy as Cain made it look, we shall see though!!!

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Pure raging I won't get to see this fight!:mad:

ginoginelli

Tones69 wrote: »

congo hasnt really faced many decent stand up guys to be fair.

You are misinformed my friend. Kongo has faced some of the best strikers in the mma heavyweight devision and won. Check out his record. He has fought guys like cro cop and yvel and hardonk.

Cant wait for this fight.

pablohoney87

ginoginelli wrote: »

You are misinformed my friend. Kongo has faced some of the best strikers in the mma heavyweight devision and won. Check out his record. He has fought guys like cro cop and yvel and hardonk.

Cant wait for this fight.

He lost to yvel. Was not impressive against Cro Cop and against Hardonk was probably his best performance in the ufc. Cro Cop did manage to mount him though. Kongo is overated as a striker and a fighter i think.

callaway92

the Staredown at the Weighins was supposed to be good for these

here is a pic or 2

syncsyncboot

Is it just me.... or does it look like Mir is gunna suddenly throw his arms back just like Liddell and Super-Bugger Cheick's Kongo!!!!!!




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lee_

pablohoney87 wrote: »

He lost to yvel. Was not impressive against Cro Cop and against Hardonk was probably his best performance in the ufc. Cro Cop did manage to mount him though. Kongo is overated as a striker and a fighter i think.

Wonder what joker took the time to put this together

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvwwl_gilbert-yvel-vs-cheick-kongo_extreme

barochoc

This is possibly the most impressive physique Mir has ever had.

He's normally carrying a lot of extra weight.

I wonder has his cardio improved with the extra bulk of muscle he's gained.

If it hasn't I reckon he'll gas very quickly against Kongo.

Kongo never looks fast but he's extremely powerful & normally holds a steady pace!

peter p

barochoc wrote: »

This is possibly the most impressive physique Mir has ever had.

He's normally carrying a lot of extra weight.

I wonder has his cardio improved with the extra bulk of muscle he's gained.

If it hasn't I reckon he'll gas very quickly against Kongo.

Kongo never looks fast but he's extremely powerful & normally holds a steady pace!

Agree, Mir has never looked better, i was suprised he looked so good, when i heard he had to cut weight for 265 i was expecting a fat mess on the scales:)
he would wanna forget about lesnar until he gets tru kongo tho!

RugbyFanatic

Kongo to win by KO in the first round.

ginoginelli

kongo is going to beat the **** out of mur.

Tones69

ginoginelli wrote: »

kongo is going to beat the **** out of mur.

Nope

ginoginelli

Tones69 wrote: »

Nope

lol. I hope anyway .

If mir can pull off an impressive victory here it will go some way in restablishing him as a contender, and it will renew my belief in him that he could be a great fighter. So if he does win, I hope he does it convincingly.

all the same though, kongo by tko in the second.

Kent Brockman

Didnt read all of the thread but I can only see 1 winner here -Mir (on the ground.)
Different league IMO, but its a funny ol game..........

3hn2givr7mx1sc

I'll go for a Kongo KO in the second, looking forward to this card.:D

mailburner

I've lost enough money on kongo over the years
i thought he'd destroy herring but when herring connected
in the first kongo didnt want to go to war with him
and in the third i watch my money go down the drain when
herring sat on him for most of the third round
had a nice bet on him against velasquez also and
although he nearly took the head clean off velas he
still couldnt avoid the takedown

Al turk and hardonk were inferior heavyweights to him
and never had a chance
his best win was against crocop but who did crocop actually
beat in the ufc anyway?

Kongos ground game must be the worst in the entire division
and for that reason I can't see him beat mir

Mir is a man on a mission
the mission being to eventually get another
crack at lesnar and ive never seen him looking better

scudzilla

Mir by split decision

MonkeyBalls

As far as I know, Konko has never been submitted.

Andrew Hoey

MonkeyBalls wrote: »

As far as I know, Konko has never been submitted.

ha ha,

shame on all u people who taught he was done

great stuff frank, bring on brock:D

pablohoney87

BOOM!

Now im sure all the mir haters wanna go and pick out all the stuff he did wrong. Can't argue with results though.

lee_

pablohoney87 wrote: »

BOOM!

Now im sure all the mir haters wanna go and pick out all the stuff he did wrong. Can't argue with results though.

on the button, Impressive win for Mir, jazus he nearly took Kongos head off twice

cardio,shoot me

pablohoney87 wrote: »

BOOM!

Now im sure all the mir haters wanna go and pick out all the stuff he did wrong. Can't argue with results though.

reminded me of roy nelson v brendan shaub, everyone thought roys only hope was his ground game

mailburner

impressive stuff
never seen kongo dropped like that before
mirs a man on a mission
only a matter of time before they meet again
and i dont see anyone else beating him before then

rovert

Clearly a big win for Mir on a personal level:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Mir-Breaks-Down-Big-Win-Over-Kongo-21512

JoeyJJ

Impressive stuff, was hoping this was going to at least go to the 2nd.

Tones69

Pretty much what i expected, people love to hate Mir for some reason, hes lookin great it has to be said, aboy frankie!

The-Game

Very impressive win alright by Mir, still dont think he has enough in him to Defeat Brock but then again no one knows how Lesnar will be when he is ready to come back!