Leinster Schools Senior Cup 2010

RoscoBosco93

The draw was done tonight



I hear Michaels are very strong this year. Rock and Clongowes as well. Newbridge and Castleknock are handy of schools outside the big 6 but Newbridge have a tough draw.

irishbucsfan

Feck's sake...

Newbridge have a quality team for the first time in a while and they end up with a draw like that.

FridaysWell

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Feck's sake...

Newbridge have a quality team for the first time in a while and they end up with a draw like that.

Have faith bro

irishbucsfan

Those numbers beside the teams better not be the seedings. They better be randomly assigned, or there'll be slaps

tracto

Clongowes should stroll through their half of the draw, it's by far the easier of the two. Knock/Micheals is effectively the decider for the other spot in the final although Newbridge could have a couple of massive performances in them and Rock are always dangerous. Would be nice to see a team outside the traditional big boys win it.

[Jackass]

Wow Rock and Belvo should be a cracker...two massive schools and two schools that would certainly be looking to win the cup and avoid the disastor of a first round exit!!

Out of the loop on schools rugby the last couple of years, but think I enjoy it more not knowing / having a good idea who's going to win.

Oh....and Belvo for the cup!!!

Depp

wouldnt it be great to see some un-rated qualifier team winning it? a real underdog story.

anonymous_joe

Depp wrote: »

wouldnt it be great to see some un-rated qualifier team winning it? a real underdog story.

In the Senior Cup? Not a hope.

thebaz

anonymous_joe wrote: »

In the Senior Cup? Not a hope.

I'd fancy Rock or Clongowes - but if theres no hope , why bother competing - most years the cup throws up an upset, which keeps it intersting

anonymous_joe

thebaz wrote: »

I'd fancy Rock or Clongowes - but if theres no hope , why bother competing - most years the cup throws up an upset, which keeps it intersting

It's like any tournament, the teams with the most resources and largest playerbase tend to do well.

Rock lead both those categories.

Teferi

Oh god no...Not again...Not a Nure V Gerards showdown again. *has vietnam-like flashbacks*



:pac:


Seriously though, if we lose (again) I'm disowning Nure

thomond2006

Why are Roscrea in Leinster Schools Cup?

themont85

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why are Roscrea in Leinster Schools Cup?

Pitches are in Offaly.

I reckon the numbers are for their pot number.

Michaels had a young team last year i seem to recall, will they win it again?

themont85

Teferi wrote: »

Oh god no...Not again...Not a Nure V Gerards showdown again. *has vietnam-like flashbacks*



:pac:


Seriously though, if we lose (again) I'm disowning Nure

From their scores in the league Gerrads seem to have a decent team, beat Newbridge and Gonzaga who are both solid every year. Tony Ward has done a great job with that school, they are very small. Always wondered why he never coached in Marys, Gerrads must offer decent money.

Gavvler

As a past pupil i may be slightly biased but Id fancy Gerards to repeat the feat of a few years ago and beat Terenure again. They won the league last year with 6 or 7 of the team playing again this year.

Eric Miller has joined the coaching panel and along with Tony Ward they will have the team real physically fit and with belief they can beat Terenure. The last two years Gerards have had decent teams but have been drawn agaisnt Belvo and Rock in the early rounds meaning early exits.This year if they can get over Terenure they may be the suprise package

maybe im just biased and overly optimistic

maherro

woop stroll to the semi's at least for marys!

the perfect ten

Gerard's play Kilkenny in the league semi-final and, assuming they pass that test, they will then play the winners of the KH v Newbridge semi-final. After these matches we should have a better picture of their Senior Cup credentials.

themont85

Not a hope Gerrads win the cup, they could upset Terenure but schools like Nure and Marys are an unknown quantity pre cup and rarely show their full hand. Gerrads will be playing their guts out to win the League and rightly so but I don't see them advancing very far in the Cup. They have lost games this year.

Just looking at the Rep teams and its the usual story really with 8 or 9 schools with most of the players, I think be people are underrating Blackrock just because they played a team of just 6th years last year.

lankylock

maherro wrote: »

woop stroll to the semi's at least for marys!

They had a similiar draw lastyear and just barely scraped through. But how did they end up surrounded by qualifiers for 2 years running?

the perfect ten

Michael's were supposed to play Clongowes on Wednesday - anyone hear how that went?

aeterna

14-8 to clongowes

thusspakeblixa

I said it last year, and I'll damn well say it again this year.

Templeogue for the cup.

Don't stop believin'

Oisinjm

thusspakeblixa wrote: »

I said it last year, and I'll damn well say it again this year.

Templeogue for the cup.

Don't stop believin'

Im on the team this year, we're gonna get shat on. Sorry to dash your dreams

themont85

What's happened to Templeogue, looked at the League results and they were indeed getting hammered and must have withdrawn because all the scores were invalidated. Used to be a good rugby school (at JCT level anyway), what's happened there?

Oisinjm

We got about 10 long term injuries at the start of the season that really ****ed us over. Fractured knee caps, torn ligaments, torn rotary cuff, 2 broken ankles and a load of other ****. Quite depressing really

EDIT: In general the school has been getting progressively worse though. I feel its because we used to get help from St. Mary's across the road but no longer do. I was told there was a coach who used to come over and help with the senior cup team but hes now getting paid by Terenure or something

Coriolanus

FridaysWell wrote: »

Have faith bro

Yeah, they're a hungry bunch of lads. Especially after Wednesdays game.

the flananator

Newbridge get drawn against favorites Michaels in the first round.

FML.

RoscoBosco93

Are the odds up anywhere yet?

the perfect ten

Gerards beat Kilkenny 13-6 in the League semi-final in Carlow this afternoon. The final will be a rematch of last year against Kings Hospital. It should be a very tight game.

Coriolanus

RoscoBosco93 wrote: »

Are the odds up anywhere yet?

Not that I can find.

magotch07

Oisinjm wrote: »

We got about 10 long term injuries at the start of the season that really ****ed us over. Fractured knee caps, torn ligaments, torn rotary cuff, 2 broken ankles and a load of other ****. Quite depressing really

EDIT: In general the school has been getting progressively worse though. I feel its because we used to get help from St. Mary's across the road but no longer do. I was told there was a coach who used to come over and help with the senior cup team but hes now getting paid by Terenure or something

i would agree when i left the school was begining to make a name for itself in the SCT, 2002,2003 teams where very good and only narrowly beaten in the cup

in recent years though they seemed to have gone back on themselves

thebaz

Sadly some schools in Leinster are losing popularity with rugby , as the game expands elsewhere - St Pauls, De La Salle Chuchtown even Pres Bray are not as strong - they were all good when I played -

jackreds

I have played a good amount of these teams this year. Michaels are strong with first strength team yet to return clongowes are also strong . Rock wont contest it lost 24-12 to michaels and 8-0 to clongowes. Good underdog teams are newbridge kings hos and gererds

clongowes v michaels final

thusspakeblixa

magotch07 wrote: »

i would agree when i left the school was begining to make a name for itself in the SCT, 2002,2003 teams where very good and only narrowly beaten in the cup

in recent years though they seemed to have gone back on themselves

When I left (3 years ago) the SCT were decent enough, they had got to the final of the Vinny Murray cup but then kind of fell away (after that trip to Argentina)

JL Pagano

Pot numbers seem to be done in alphabetical order

RoscoBosco93

Kings Hos vs Gerards in the league final

keanecm

Who will win the Rock Belvo match. How have Rock and Belvo been doing in the friendlys so far this season?

jackreds

Think Belvo have quite a good squad but havent put the results together really.. Same with rock i would say Rock but just.. Belvo would love to knock them out first round so might really push themselves to win.

shiznykid

Gerard's have only lost one game this season and that was gainst CBC. So far they have beaten Mary's 18-0 (that was their full team, don't doubt me as I was there and know lads off the Mary' team)newbridge, gonzaga, kilkenny(twice), Skerries and Terenure they drew with Clongowes 15-15 (both teams were depleted, Gerard's were missing their captain and Irish schools representative)

Their fifth years beat a mixture of Terenure seconds and first early in september, but seeing as both teams were severly depleted I could'nt tell ya who would win, but it will be close and don't write them off yet as the early exiters! I would put a bet on them to beat Terenure and maybe pull a shock against Rock or Belvo!!

crad

shiznykid wrote: »

Gerard's have only lost one game this season and that was gainst CBC. So far they have beaten Mary's 18-0 (that was their full team, don't doubt me as I was there and know lads off the Mary' team)newbridge, gonzaga, kilkenny(twice), Skerries and Terenure they drew with Clongowes 15-15 (both teams were depleted, Gerard's were missing their captain and Irish schools representative)

Their fifth years beat a mixture of Terenure seconds and first early in september, but seeing as both teams were severly depleted I could'nt tell ya who would win, but it will be close and don't write them off yet as the early exiters! I would put a bet on them to beat Terenure and maybe pull a shock against Rock or Belvo!!

i heard gerards lost 12-10 to marys in gerards a few days ago..

themont85

shiznykid wrote: »

Gerard's have only lost one game this season and that was gainst CBC. So far they have beaten Mary's 18-0 (that was their full team, don't doubt me as I was there and know lads off the Mary' team)newbridge, gonzaga, kilkenny(twice), Skerries and Terenure they drew with Clongowes 15-15 (both teams were depleted, Gerard's were missing their captain and Irish schools representative)

Their fifth years beat a mixture of Terenure seconds and first early in september, but seeing as both teams were severly depleted I could'nt tell ya who would win, but it will be close and don't write them off yet as the early exiters! I would put a bet on them to beat Terenure and maybe pull a shock against Rock or Belvo!!

The real problem for a school like Gerrads is injuries. You may have a first XV well able to challenge but if a couple of guys are carrying knicks or injuries you can be screwed against the likes of Rock/Belvo/Nure who have a school population multiple times of Gerrads and can plug any 30 in and they are still strong. Particularly with the riggers of the League which the automatic 7 dont have to contend with you are at a serious disadvantage.

hiney

themont85 wrote: »

The real problem for a school like Gerrads is injuries. You may have a first XV well able to challenge but if a couple of guys are carrying knicks or injuries you can be screwed against the likes of Rock/Belvo/Nure who have a school population multiple times of Gerrads and can plug any 30 in and they are still strong. Particularly with the riggers of the League which the automatic 7 dont have to contend with you are at a serious disadvantage.

Don't think I would fully agree with you there . Maybe Rock could throw any 30 in and still be strong but for Terenure and Belvo its a different story

themont85

hiney wrote: »

Don't think I would fully agree with you there . Maybe Rock could throw any 30 in and still be strong but for Terenure and Belvo its a different story

Blackrock has between 180 to 190 per year. Both Terenure and Belvedere have over 150 in each year. They are single sex schools. Gerrads have 420 in total and they are co-ed, assuming a 50/50 split they've 35 boys per year. I don't need further maths to illustrate that those 3 schools have a multiple on gerrads, they also have a multiple over other schools. Rock may be the dinosaur population wise but belvo/nure are close enough, of course rock have the junior school and boarding giving them a big advantage but relative to gerrads they're always gonna be able to have a lot better players.. Marys, clongowes and michaels are far smaller but compete nearly as well, only michaels I think creep over 100 students per year.

anonymous_joe

themont85 wrote: »

Blackrock has between 180 to 190 per year. Both Terenure and Belvedere have over 150 in each year. They are single sex schools. Gerrads have 420 in total and they are co-ed, assuming a 50/50 split they've 35 boys per year. I don't need further maths to illustrate that those 3 schools have a multiple on gerrads, they also have a multiple over other schools. Rock may be the dinosaur population wise but belvo/nure are close enough, of course rock have the junior school and boarding giving them a big advantage but relative to gerrads they're always gonna be able to have a lot better players.. Marys, clongowes and michaels are far smaller but compete nearly as well, only michaels I think creep over 100 students per year.

Michaels is meant to be going down in numbers per year. It won't kick in for another four or five years, but given that Rock have double the numbers of the likes of Michaels, Clongowes, et al, it does help explain their dominance. Even so, no-one can take that many injuries, and I know that the number of injuries at that level's meant to be fairly staggering.

themont85

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Michaels is meant to be going down in numbers per year. It won't kick in for another four or five years, but given that Rock have double the numbers of the likes of Michaels, Clongowes, et al, it does help explain their dominance. Even so, no-one can take that many injuries, and I know that the number of injuries at that level's meant to be fairly staggering.

True that it is difficult to cope with 15 injuries for example but my point is that Rock/Belvo/Nure could easily field 30 guys at SCT level and they wouldnt look out of place. Other schools, not so much. There are your 'star' players like a Luke Fitzgearld or Conway last year for Rock that are of course irreplaceable but even without the latter one year Rock brezzed through the first round by 30 points. That was a particularly amazing couple of years but they can do it almost every year. Its why when I hear 'Rock aren't that good this year' I take it with a pinch of salt. I've said it in the past and learned that I'm wrong about it. Nobody rotates their players better than them. I think Belvo/Nure aren't as good with that as Rock.

themont85

Why are Michaels decreasing numbers btw? Seems odd that they'd do that now.

anonymous_joe

themont85 wrote: »

Why are Michaels decreasing numbers btw? Seems odd that they'd do that now.

Because there was a massive spike in numbers going when the Celtic Tiger was in full flow. For whatever reason we became 'fashionable.'

Numbers are meant to be down slightly now.

I'd say you'd find a lot of the private schools will notice that in the short/medium term.

thusspakeblixa

anonymous_joe wrote: »

I'd say you'd find a lot of the private schools will notice that in the short/medium term.

Conversely, Templeogue's (and other non-fee paying schools') numbers have gone way up as people who would have gone to Terenure, Mary's etc. are reconsidering.

Our day will come, 'loguers, our day will come.

anonymous_joe

thusspakeblixa wrote: »

Conversely, Templeogue's (and other non-fee paying schools') numbers have gone way up as people who would have gone to Terenure, Mary's etc. are reconsidering.

Our day will come, 'loguers, our day will come.

Indeed. Could open things up a bit.

Sangre

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Because there was a massive spike in numbers going when the Celtic Tiger was in full flow. For whatever reason we became 'fashionable.'

Numbers are meant to be down slightly now.

I'd say you'd find a lot of the private schools will notice that in the short/medium term.

Really? Finished up in '03 and there was about 80-something of us who finished up. Did the numbers increase that much?

anonymous_joe

Sangre wrote: »

Really? Finished up in '03 and there was about 80-something of us who finished up. Did the numbers increase that much?

Same for my year. We were just under 80.

But there's meant to be four classes in a year now, so it's usually around 100 or 110. Apparently when I was leaving there were double the number of people appltying for first year as there were places.