Do qualifications affect your view of people?

The Thing!

I know many people who are qualifications snobs. They are of course unqualified themselves (albeit in the process of becoming qualified in college) who genuinely look down on people who lack qualifications. Having a diverse bunch of friends and associates, I also know people who scorn qualifications, and the people who have them.

I myself think that it is pretty irrelevant to how I view somebody, but I have noticed that a lot of people fit into either of the categories mentioned above. What about you, snob or sneer?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

People who have qualifcations in journalism and still post research-seeking threads on boards. Other than that, no.

AnonoBoy

Glasses affect my view of people and the world in general.

Trying to wear qualifications on my face instead of glasses would be both ridiculous and ineffectual.

mike65

I hate anyone with letters in their name.

FlutterinBantam

As an MBA in Smurfit Business School Carysfort Rd.

I take most of the garbage the IT geeks who infest this forum with a large pinch of goat shíte.

AnonoBoy

mike65 wrote: »

I hate anyone with letters in their name.

So you only half hate R2D2?

liah

A person's merit, for me, isn't judged by a piece of paper. It's judged by the legitimate hands-on work experience and intelligence they have in the field.

Pieces of paper can be forged or bought or cheated for. Experience is what's real and it's all that should matter.

Letters and diplomas and certificates only serve to make people feel big-headed.

Ruu_Old

I couldn't give a toss what your educational background is. I have friends that just about finished secondary school and some from the other end of the spectrum, we all get along.

ScumLord

Allot of today's business qualifications are bought and paid for, all they really mean is you attended a course.

wudangclan

Couldn't care less either way.
But I would take a dim view of someone who looked down on someone because they had qualifications and the other person didn't or vice versa.

DazMarz

Ruu wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss what your educational background is. I have friends that just about finished secondary school and some from the other end of the spectrum, we all get along.

Same here. I don't really care about what degrees someone has or if they can hardly read at all; if they're sound and are a nice person, that's all I want.

orourkeda

mike65 wrote: »

I hate anyone with letters in their name.

You hate everyone too.
Nice. I thought I was alone

The guy

I've met some awful idiots in college and I've met tons of intelligent and enlightened people outside of it, so no.

Alessandra

It doesn't matter to me. Some really interesting, intelligent people were educated in the school of life.

segaBOY

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

As an MBA in Smurfit Business School Carysfort Rd.

I take most of the garbage the IT geeks who infest this forum with a large pinch of goat shíte.

Leave the IT folk alone....they are due to fix my computer in 2 weeks time.

AnonoBoy

Alessandra wrote: »

It doesn't matter to me. Some really interesting, intelligent people were educated in the school of life.

Yeah I know a lot of morons who went there too though.

JimmyCrackCorn!

I despise people in general qualifications not required but may make it easier to rationalise.

opinion guy

Well, i don't automatically defer to someone just because they have qualifications....if anything I expect more from them....but then at the same time I woulnd't want to be have surgery performed by someone who had watched lots of surgeries but never went to med school....

CreepingDeath

The Thing! wrote: »

Do qualifications affect your view of people?

To a degree...

FlutterinBantam

segaBOY wrote: »

Leave the IT folk alone....they are due to fix my computer in 2 weeks time.

Once they stick to fixing computers-no problem.

Don't try to go much further than that lads & lassies....'found out' is the word for it I'm told.

JONJO THE MISER

Listen boys, ive no skilled trade to speak of and im not qualified at anything but im quiet happy like that, enough food and drink and im happy plus ive travellled far and wide, i see many people i knew growing up who brought into the Irish property bubble and are now into debt into the hurdreds of thousands, whereas i have no debts and im happy to just travel eat and drink and thats my lot and im quiet happy with that.

hooradiation

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

As an MBA in Smurfit Business School Carysfort Rd.

I take most of the garbage the IT geeks who infest this forum with a large pinch of goat shíte.

Yeah, the guy with the scatological obsession is clearly the one we should be listening to.

delta_bravo

No too concerned about qualifications but if I meet anyone that takes a year out to 'find themself' I immediately hate them.

CreepingDeath

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Once they stick to fixing computers-no problem.

Don't try to go much further than that lads & lassies....'found out' is the word for it I'm told.

Rubbish.
I.T., especially software engineering has skills which are very transferable to non-I.T. sectors

- project management
- team leading
- multi-tasking
- setting up formal processes for engineering / quality control purposes
- communication of complex subjects to people at various levels
- lots of math
- analytical skills / problem solving

Someone with a business degree is basically just a supervisor, they generally can't do the jobs underneath them.

cloneslad

They only people I would be wary of who has letters after their name are those with HIV+ stuck there.

I never really understand why people insist on using their letters of qualification after their name, I would never bother using mine as I don't see the point.

A lot of my mates either didn't go to university or dropped out, I was too lazy to get a job so I kept at it. I have good fun with them and their lack of (academical) qualifications don't come into it.


Cloneslad - BBS, BBS (hons) Pg.Dip, Msc

Smyth

Don't care what qualification a person holds. If they're an intelligent human being with manners, I'm more than happy to give them my time.

A lot of deluded snobs out there though. Could all do with a serious lesson in humility.

FlutterinBantam

hooradiation wrote: »

Yeah, the guy with the scatological obsession is clearly the one we should be listening to.

I speak a lot more sense and rational discourse than you do pal.

Shit is just a small part of my extensive repertoire, important yes, but small.

Check me out.:cool:

I'm really good friends with one girl who has no leaving cert and i'm really good friends with people who have a masters.
It doesn't matter a shíte.

Hellm0

As a coder I once worked with (who had a philosophy degree) once put it; its all just an expensive reading list. I know guys with triple majors who work in the US federal reserve whom I can school on trade policy, and I don't even have a leaving cert.

kowloon

I've found over time that the people who let everyone know about their qualifications are often very insecure about their actual abilities.
Unless it is a matter of professional practice I see no reason to use titles.

I've come across one person who insisted on being called Doctor [second name] and not their first name; they were universally despised by everyone who worked with them and seen as an arrogant gob$hite, there were more senior 'Doctors' in the dept. who were happy to be reffered to by their first names.

So in short, there's nothing wrong with qualifications until someone starts using them to try and feel superior.

partyatmygaff

kowloon wrote: »

I've found over time that the people who let everyone know about their qualifications are often very insecure about their actual abilities.
Unless it is a matter of professional practice I see no reason to use titles.

I've come across one person who insisted on being called Doctor [second name] and not their first name; they were universally despised by everyone who worked with them and seen as an arrogant gob$hite, there were more senior 'Doctors' in the dept. who were happy to be reffered to by their first names.

So in short, there's nothing wrong with qualifications until someone starts using them to try and feel superior.

Most doctors seem to love putting in Dr. before their name aswell as all the degrees they've got.
To be fair though, with all the hard work it takes even from before they begin university I don't blame them.

Rebelheart

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Most doctors seem to love putting in Dr. before their name aswell as all the degrees they've got.
To be fair though, with all the hard work it takes even from before they begin university I don't blame them.

As a GP put her profession to me one day: 'Listen, I stick my hands up people's arses for a living'

PS: Technically, it's Dr, not Dr. (first and last letter are the same as the abbreviation; but Prof. not Prof)

cloneslad

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Most doctors seem to love putting in Dr. before their name aswell as all the degrees they've got.
To be fair though, with all the hard work it takes even from before they begin university I don't blame them.

If I have a heart attack, can they help save my life????

If not they should call themselves John Smith Phd not Dr. John Smith

stovelid

Of course not.

It sounds like a stock answer, but amongst my closest friends, the qualifications range from doctorates to people who didn't go to college.

givyjoe81

liah wrote: »

A person's merit, for me, isn't judged by a piece of paper. It's judged by the legitimate hands-on work experience and intelligence they have in the field.

Pieces of paper can be forged or bought or cheated for. Experience is what's real and it's all that should matter.

Letters and diplomas and certificates only serve to make people feel big-headed.

What an absolute bunch of horsesh1t... so what you are saying is all those years in college are a waste of time?! Either you didnt go yourself, or you picked the wrong course.. Having said that i can see the OP's point, i have to admit the odd time i have let myself think that but then i soon cop myself on that you need more than just a degree, so many graduates are lackin in cop the fook on.

donkey balls

liah wrote: »

A person's merit, for me, isn't judged by a piece of paper. It's judged by the legitimate hands-on work experience and intelligence they have in the field.

Pieces of paper can be forged or bought or cheated for. Experience is what's real and it's all that should matter.

Letters and diplomas and certificates only serve to make people feel big-headed.

agree 100% i had a so called transport supervisor that had a degree in transport they had'nt a clue about legislation& working time directive.
were as i had 14yrs experience in the field with no degree just a transport managers licence.

stovelid

liah wrote: »

A person's merit, for me, isn't judged by a piece of paper. It's judged by the legitimate hands-on work experience and intelligence they have in the field.

Pieces of paper can be forged or bought or cheated for. Experience is what's real and it's all that should matter.

Letters and diplomas and certificates only serve to make people feel big-headed.

Chin up. You can always go as a mature student?

wixfjord

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So you only half hate R2D2?

Why hasnt this post been thanked more! Its quite the larf!

liah

givyjoe81 wrote: »

What an absolute bunch of horsesh1t... so what you are saying is all those years in college are a waste of time?! Either you didnt go yourself, or you picked the wrong course.. Having said that i can see the OP's point, i have to admit the odd time i have let myself think that but then i soon cop myself on that you need more than just a degree, so many graduates are lackin in cop the fook on.

No, I'm not saying it's a waste of time for a lot of people. I'm saying a lot of people people are fully capable of learning their jobs on their own time without being required to join a classroom for it. Some of the smartest people in history had little to no education and changed the world. Do you discredit them because they didn't sit in a classroom in order to learn?

I work in two trade businesses. In both, experience is primary. You can have whatever kind of degree you want, but if you don't have the hands-on applied knowledge or a knack for the job you're doing, you're useless.

Academic businesses are different, but some people can still achieve great feats in academia without having to attend a course about it. Especially with the wealth of knowledge available to us from the internet. It wouldn't be hard at all.

stovelid wrote: »

Chin up. You can always go as a mature student?

But liah, for the large part, the college course is more about proving you can learn and proving you are committed.

This is the only way people get hired without the experience.

tech77

Alessandra wrote: »

It doesn't matter to me. Some really interesting, intelligent people were educated in the school of life.

Tough university.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy2ILydNcJA

Hellm0

Deleted User wrote: »

But liah, for the large part, the college course is more about proving you can learn and proving you are committed.

This is the only way people get hired without the experience.

Cutting off ones arm would also be a very strong way of conveying commitment to something, doesn't make it a good idea.

givyjoe81

liah wrote: »

No, I'm not saying it's a waste of time for a lot of people. I'm saying a lot of people people are fully capable of learning their jobs on their own time without being required to join a classroom for it. Some of the smartest people in history had little to no education and changed the world. Do you discredit them because they didn't sit in a classroom in order to learn?

I work in two trade businesses. In both, experience is primary. You can have whatever kind of degree you want, but if you don't have the hands-on applied knowledge or a knack for the job you're doing, you're useless.

Academic businesses are different, but some people can still achieve great feats in academia without having to attend a course about it. Especially with the wealth of knowledge available to us from the internet. It wouldn't be hard at all.

Trade businesses, need to elaborate on that.. do you mean carpenter, plumber and the likes? Otherwise how on earth are you meant to get good at something or learn unless someone gives you a job! No-one is born with the knowledge of how to a particular job!

I also clearly did not discredit such people, but you are equally doing just that, if anything showing the same kind of snobbery that 'educated' people are accused of showing to 'non-educated'.

Hellm0

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Trade businesses, need to elaborate on that.. do you mean carpenter, plumber and the likes? Otherwise how on earth are you meant to get good at something or learn unless someone gives you a job! No-one is born with the knowledge of how to a particular job!

...Pornstars?

jesus_thats_gre

My qualification affects my view of other people... Don't know if that is what you meant

sunnyjim

liah wrote:

A person's merit, for me, isn't judged by a piece of paper. It's judged by the legitimate hands-on work experience and intelligence they have in the field.

Pieces of paper can be forged or bought or cheated for. Experience is what's real and it's all that should matter.

Letters and diplomas and certificates only serve to make people feel big-headed.

The deliciously bitter words of a jealous person.

stovelid wrote:

Chin up. You can always go as a mature student?

Quality!

Let me guess liah, you went travelling instead of college?

I have my letters. I also have proven experience in my area, as well as all the ****ty labouring, manufacturing, delivering, techician...ing jobs too. You know, all those ones that require loadsa worldy experience like you :rolleyes:

Rebelheart

liah wrote: »

A person's merit, for me, isn't judged by a piece of paper. It's judged by the legitimate hands-on work experience and intelligence they have in the field.

Pieces of paper can be forged or bought or cheated for. Experience is what's real and it's all that should matter.

Letters and diplomas and certificates only serve to make people feel big-headed.

Liah, maybe if you went to Third Level you would have learnt erudite forms of Hiberno-English such as 'Amn't I after telling you', and other contractions of the 'amn't' I variety.;)

Rebelheart

I didn't even get as far as the Group Certificate, God bless it, so I wouldn't worry about all that dirty book stuff - reading and writing, another thing we can firmly and accurately blame on those Roman Catholic usurpers of decent Irish pagans.

cloneslad

liah wrote:

A person's merit, for me, isn't judged by a piece of paper. It's judged by the legitimate hands-on work experience and intelligence they have in the field.

Pieces of paper can be forged or bought or cheated for. Experience is what's real and it's all that should matter.

Letters and diplomas and certificates only serve to make people feel big-headed.

I have to agree with sunnyjim, it sounds like a large amount of jealousy on your part. I have ( if I chose to put them there) letters at the end of my name.

I worked my balls off from I was 16 to afford college. I have cut necks of turkeys, worked in countless meat factories pushing buttons all day, worked in a bookmakers, worked in retail, and lots of other jobs just to get my honours degree.

I then worked for a year and a half in korea teaching English and got to travel around korea, china and japan when I got time off (which was not a great deal) then I came back home and spent the €10,000 I had saved up to do my masters degree this year, and even worked all last christmas in a phone shop to get an extra bit of money to pay my rent.

I never cheated on my exams, nor do I have forged papers but I have a hell of a lot of experience for a 25 year old who has a masters degree, so quit your whinging, we all don't get it handed to us on a plate!!

mawk

id not be too happy if i found out my doctor didnt have MD or PHD after his name.

if It arose that a drinking buddy failed college.. I couldnt much care

situations op.. situations

anniehoo

Ok im goin to be honest for this one...and i actually am ashamed to admit it. I honestly honestly never used to think i was a qualifications snob up until a few weeks ago. Theres a girl in my job, in a completely different section to me and i was under the impression for months she was in a different position than what i thought. When i found out what she did (no degree needed)...and im seriously not proud of it, but my initial gut reaction was ...eh..a bit pleased as i was more qualified!

I know!! I know! Dont shoot me (or do, i prob deserve it), but it honestly was my gut reaction and i was and still am disgusted that i could be that shallow. It bothered me so much that i told one of my friends in work who was amazed and a bit horrified too.

Not really sure what to say now, so ill stand in the corner and wait for the backlash