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04-12-2009 12:44pm#1
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Ah it's not really though - muck is always muck, and a poor photo is always a poor photoThe joy of photography - everything is subjective.
But what I'm getting from this is, it's essentially Photography By Numbers; Put that in focus, shoot at this aperture, put that there so it conforms to... etc etc etc, you're basically photographically regurgitating what's been written over and over again in the various amateur photography publications, as opposed to being awarded for creativity and interest.0 -
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Ah it's not really though - muck is always muck, and a poor photo is always a poor photo
But what I'm getting from this is, it's essentially Photography By Numbers; Put that in focus, shoot at this aperture, put that there so it conforms to... etc etc etc, you're basically photographically regurgitating what's been written over and over again in the various amateur photography publications, as opposed to being awarded for creativity and interest.
I sat through the whole assessment procedure last Saturday L, A and F, and while it's true to say that you can do the whole thing by the numbers that would not be fair to a lot of the work produced there, when the list is published I'll try and produce some links so you all can judge for yourselves.
There were three panels which caused quite a rift in the judging panel, two got through for their F's and one A panel got knocked back after at least 10 minutes of heated discussion (in public) at which stage the chairman said that it was a disgraceful decision. It was quite a conceptual panel with a very "artistic" (incomprehensible to to those of us that don't have an MA in arts:D) artists statement, which to me depicted a journey through a deserted village to a beach, I liked it but it failed.
On e of the successful Fas was 20 7x5s mounted in 20x16 board of the swirl patterns in a pool (think water going down a plug whole) with blue and green lighting, visual art one of the judges called this one but it got through.
At the end of the day your L or A of F means nothing except that you have the approval of your peers, it has the same real value as getting picture of the week here, or 100 thanks to a photo in the random thread except if you are serious about it it forces you to really think about your work and its strenghts and weaknesses, something that is taken for granted if you're in an artistic degree but not if you're beavering away on your own.0 -
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The joy of photography - everything is subjective. Catch a judge on a bad day, and your image has a fault. On a good day, it's a brilliant image. Simple as that.
That's why I find these things so interesting. It's all about timing.
Actually this would be why I find it less than transparent as a process and don't necessarily agree with it at all. I also feel there's a hierarchical structure to it that's more at place in - say - something like the Catholic Church.
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I've no motivation to do one of these things. I'm happy for people who do them, and work at it and succeed at them; but I get more of a kick out of creating a photograph in my head and getting it to happen the way I see it. So much more if it's way outside my comfort zone (ie the macro stuff I've been playing with later).
But that doesn't mean everyone else will like it. I mean I had no idea how people would respond to the photograph of the sunset in Malahide that had about 1 million technical problems
It's never going to win prizes plus it has the obligatory fault because my sensor needed cleaning at the time (and needs it again - what is it about this camera - I've never had the same level of trouble with a sensor and the camera theoretically has sensor cleaning).
I think the question is do you need validation from a scheme/system like this or don't you? Is it a marketing tool - are there other options available to you - the world has changed.
I'd be interested to know why exactly people go to do it...what motivates them to do it. It's not what motivates me. For me, it's the need to create something new and different every once in a while.0 -
I suppose it's just the same as saying a woman is only attractive if she has a particular ratio of distance from her eyebrows to her nose to her chin.
But, but, but......... I thought the converse side of that one is that the male attractiveness is the ratio of distance from chin to beer belly??? Women/Venus/Men/Mars????
if you follow a painting by numbers then the chances are that you'll produce a reasonable result. If you photograph by numbers, then you also have a reasonable chance of producing a reasonable result. For some, this is as far as it goes
As with painting by numbers there will be levels of aesthetic niceness - some people are better (more careful) at applying the paint than others and follow instructions better. So too, if you photograph by numbers then you will possibly progress along a ruled and measured line but that line will definitely have an end point. For some, taking the new dSLR out of auto will never happen because it gives them poor results (they deviate from that line) - how many film SLR's fell into such disuse through inertia *sigh* or because the end of that ruled line was hit and they were going nowhere else with there photography. I know someone like that. Shame, shame, shame.... 0 -
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if you follow a painting by numbers then the chances are that you'll produce a reasonable result. If you photograph by numbers, then you also have a reasonable chance of producing a reasonable result. For some, this is as far as it goes As with painting by numbers there will be levels of aesthetic niceness - some people are better (more careful) at applying the paint than others and follow instructions better. So too, if you photograph by numbers then you will possibly progress along a ruled and measured line but that line will definitely have an end point. For some, taking the new dSLR out of auto will never happen because it gives them poor results (they deviate from that line) - how many film SLR's fell into such disuse through inertia *sigh* or because the end of that ruled line was hit and they were going nowhere else with there photography. I know someone like that. Shame, shame, shame....
See, this is the problem with all the photographers shooting by numbers, they completely forget about anything else other than how to take what they think is a great photograph that they saw last week. It's a complete reduction of creativity, conceptual ability, everything... to be able to say they used hyperfocal distancing to get a whole scene in frame.
Yes, you've gotten the numbers right, but you've forgotten exactly what you're doing, and why.0 -
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The "artists" among us will never be able to understand it.
Each to their own really. The letters L etc. mean absolutely nothing. Same as Institute of Engineers A etc. mean nothing. They are letters to signify an achievement. Nothing else. If people put them after their name then best of luck to them. Lots of people put BSc after their name. Well done to them too. Just because people do this doesn't make it wrong or funny, just different to you. There are other ways to be wrong and funny!
If you are in a camera club then it's something to have a go at at the end of the year. It's no big deal and I doubt anyone takes it too seriously although it is a nice achievement for yourself to have 10 photos that you are proud of and able to show off. They could just as handy be sitting on your harddrive at home never to see the light of day without the opportunity.
If you are too artistic and creative for this then so be it. I'm sure you have your own outlet to show off your pics!
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By the way, I applied for an L and presented a panel last Sunday as well. I passed The panel is below.
How it's photography by numbers I don't know but maybe I'm not artistic or creative enough to know any better. What I do know is I like landscapes and sport a lot. Which is why 80% of the panel photos are of these disciplines. The other 20% was of a lovely sunny day back in June when I had nothing better to do than head out to Saltee Islands and enjoy the day. Maybe there is something wrong with me!!
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See, this is the problem with all the photographers shooting by numbers, they completely forget about anything else other than how to take what they think is a great photograph that they saw last week. It's a complete reduction of creativity, conceptual ability, everything... to be able to say they used hyperfocal distancing to get a whole scene in frame.
Yes, you've gotten the numbers right, but you've forgotten exactly what you're doing, and why.
True, but creativity, conceptual ability and all things else don't always exist for or in some people. Thus if you photograph by numbers it won't be everyone's cup of tea but it might keep you satisfied momentarily until the point where you either give up or gain enough curiosity to awaken some deal of creativity that is latent within.
A personal opinion, but i think those with creativity and conceptual ability will make the best photographers (if you can define best) but some of them also produce utter s***e 0 -
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