Anti British senitiments exposed on The Apprentice

sparkling sea

I was disappointed at the backward step in the form of a racist statement made by an Appleby representative and resounded by Bill Cullen on the Apprentice show this evening.
The fact that this person nor Bill Cullen didn't even have enough cope on to
disguise their racist attitude is even more bewildering. The fact that both TV3 and Renault endorsed this by choosing not to edit this out is to me mind blowing.

Its one thing to announce on live TV that as a company, Appleby's would
prefer to have an Irish accent on an advert (even if the intention is
covertly racist) but to announce that as a company they overtly did not want a British voice was stupid.

It brings back of the no blacks, no dogs and no Irish attitude that existed in Britain in the 1950's - it was wrong 50 years ago and is completely unacceptable in 2009.

Appleby's as a company definitely sent a clear message, they have underlining issues, Bill Cullen and Renault further perpetuated this view.
And TV3 endorsed this.

I know we are in a recession but we don't need this old chestnut rearing its ugly head again :mad:

asdasd

Whats wrong with that? Would you even notice if on the British apprentice one of the teams used an American accent, but was expected to use a British accent instead.

Its common to fit the accent to the country in advertising.

EDIT

It brings back of the no blacks, no dogs and no Irish attitude that existed in Britain in the 1950's - it was wrong 50 years ago and is completely unacceptable in 2009.

You. Are. Cracking. Me. Up.

MagicMarker

Most voice overs on the radio sound British and/or American to me anyway.

thebman

Not wanting a British accent in an Irish tv ad would be because you want to appeal to the market which is Irish not British not racism.

Unless I misunderstand, didn't see it.

mikemac

thebman wrote: »

Not wanting a British accent in an Irish tv ad would be because you want to appeal to the market which is Irish not British not racism.

I agree, nothing wrong with it. Called localization in marketing speak!
If you want to show the same ad in the UK you can dub it with a British accent. And dubbing doesn't always work so just reshoot it with British actors.


Next thing you'll be telling me it's racist that Irish actors aren't on South African or Australian TV adverts

amacachi

sparkling sea

MagicMarker wrote: »

Most voice overs on the radio sound British and/or American to me anyway.

Have a closer listen

sparkling sea

mikemac wrote: »

I agree, nothing wrong with it. Called localization in marketing speak!
If you want to show the same ad in the UK you can dub it with a British accent. And dubbing doesn't always work so just reshoot it with British actors.


Next thing you'll be telling me it's racist that Irish actors aren't on South African or Australian TV adverts

What you are effectively saying is the you cannot have a British person advertising on Irish TV or Radio, unless they are imported agency ads.

That would explain alot, I thought it was just the media that allowed for this attitude, but marketing agencies support it - go figure

Further although this sentiment may exist in Ireland, its one of the only countries that I can think of where you would get away with saying it in the context it was said this evening - especially in front of an English person. But I suppose if your racist you can justify it. Racists usually can

mcmoustache

There's nothing racist there. They're just targeting their ads to their customer base. Happens all the time. Have you ever noticed that it's always the same few Irish voices on most ads on the radio? It happens because we, as consumers, react positively to people "like us" and are more likely to buy what's on offer. It's cold hard business but it's certainly not racism.

You seem to be a bit confused about what racism is and what it isn't so I'll provide some examples:

"Go home, you potato-picking paddy, Paddy!". Yes, that's pretty racist unless of course you're talking about a potato-picker called Paddy who had too much to drink and vomited on the baby. Confused? Don't be. It's obvious.

I've just noticed that this isn't AH so there'll be no more examples. I suggest you read up on racism and stop seeing it where there is none.

I'm outta here and back to AH where I belong.

Hissing Sideban

Most Irish people really don't get the fact that this sort of comment is offensive.

If the situation was totally reversed - UK apprentice show, and an Irish person made the ad, Alan Sugar said we don't want an Irish voice on the ad, I guarantee there would be plenty said about it, both here and in the UK.

indough

it was a bit racially insensitive, to say they want an irish voice is fine, but to say they specifically dont want an english one is not so much

amacachi

Hissing Sideban wrote: »

Most Irish people really don't get the fact that this sort of comment is offensive.

If the situation was totally reversed - UK apprentice show, and an Irish person made the ad, Alan Sugar said we don't want an Irish voice on the ad, I guarantee there would be plenty said about it, both here and in the UK.

No there wouldn't. There are ads on Irish and UK TV that seem to be European and are dubbed over in one voice for the UK and another for Ireland. It's common sense and logic.

mikemac

sparkling sea wrote: »

What you are effectively saying is the you cannot have a British person advertising on Irish TV or Radio, unless they are imported agency ads.

That would explain alot, I thought it was just the media that allowed for this attitude, but marketing agencies support it - go figure

What I'm saying is you get actors who can communicate with your accents.
I've been in Scotland several times and yes, I sometime struggle to understand everything first time around.
If I'm advertising a product in Ireland I want actors who get the message across in 30 seconds!
Do you listen to radio? There are a handful of Irish people who do practically all the ads

sparkling sea wrote: »

Further although this sentiment may exist in Ireland, its one of the only countries that I can think of where you would get away with saying it in the context it was said this evening - especially in front of an English person. But I suppose if your racist you can justify it. Racists usually can

Racism is believing your race is superior.
Tbh as Europeans and the same colour, the British are no different to us. Racism is the most overused word around!

TheCandystripes

Hissing Sideban wrote: »

Most Irish people really don't get the fact that this sort of comment is offensive.

If the situation was totally reversed - UK apprentice show, and an Irish person made the ad, Alan Sugar said we don't want an Irish voice on the ad, I guarantee there would be plenty said about it, both here and in the UK.

definetly anyway the british are a better people than irish no matter how irish might think otherwise. irish people can't handle foreigners who have been here for a few years, british have been dealing with irish and other foreigners for centuries.

indough

mikemac wrote: »

Racism is believing your race is superior.

no its giving preferential treatment based on race

if you were casting a role for an ad over here and a nigeriasn showed up and you told him, "sorry we want someone irish", youd likely be in the ****

exact same principle but with applied double standard

asdasd

But I suppose if your racist you can justify it. Racists usually can

Total and utter troll.

It has already been explained to you that voiceovers are localised for different countries.

Also - and this may come as a shock - I was in Germany and all the ads were in German by Germans with German accents. I couldnt understand a word.

racists.

Hissing Sideban

mcmoustache wrote: »

There's nothing racist there. They're just targeting their ads to their customer base. Happens all the time. Have you ever noticed that it's always the same few Irish voices on most ads on the radio? It happens because we, as consumers, react positively to people "like us" and are more likely to buy what's on offer. It's cold hard business but it's certainly not racism.

In the 1980s there were plenty of British DJ's working and making ads in Ireland, in fact on many radio stations it was the norm.

Consumers reacted equally as positively to these ads and they also react positively to agency ads were British voices are used. Your arguement doesn't hold water. Its the idea of feeding some Irish peoples intrinsic insecurity rather then cold hard business or what the people want, that allows for premises like yours to be presented as fact. The experience of Irish media in the 80's completely topples your suggestion.

Maybe you need to do a bit of research yourself

Bob_Harris

Wow, that is SOOO racist. Lets call the racist cops right now.

Irish people are the same race as British people. How can one be racist against it's own race?

It think your sensitivity level to "racism" is set to the "outraged at everything type person" setting.

If only ultra PC types like yourself could have lived through South Africa under apartheid you would have a clearer idea on what level of racism it's worth getting outraged by.

asdasd

you told him, "sorry we want someone irish", youd likely be in the ****

Or not. given that there are very few nigerians on Irish telly, and few Irish people on Nigerian telly, that too is probably just localisation.

indough

yes you would definitely be in the **** if they reported it

its highly likely very few have ever tried

asdasd

It think your sensitivity level to "racism" is set to the "outraged at everything type person" setting.

I think these kind of guys are replacing the Shocked by seeing a Bit of Shoulder Catholics.

Mother Ireland is rearing them yet.

MikeC101

TheCandystripes wrote: »

definetly anyway the british are a better people than irish no matter how irish might think otherwise. irish people can't handle foreigners who have been here for a few years, british have been dealing with irish and other foreigners for centuries.

FFS...

You don't think there might be some correlation between Britain having had immigration on a much larger scale than Ireland for much longer and also a better ability to deal with it, no? Like, oh I don't know, increased experience with immigration maybe?

indough

asdasd wrote: »

I think these kind of guys are replacing the Shocked by seeing a Bit of Shoulder Catholics.

Mother Ireland is rearing them yet.

or maybe its because i lived abroad most of my life i actually have some idea of how multiculturalism actually works?

sparkling sea

asdasd wrote: »

Or not. given that there are very few nigerians on Irish telly, and few Irish people on Nigerian telly, that too is probably just localisation.

Yes but the same can't be said for British television or radio. Although I do agree their are very few people from any other countries on Irish tv or radio.
Definitely no major stars like Terry Wogan or Des Lynam or even Jedward

asdasd

irish people can't handle foreigners who have been here for a few years, british have been dealing with irish and other foreigners for centuries.

They ahve been dealing with the Irish by banning them from pubs etc. As for the treatment of other non-British, do look up the British Empire. It was an aknowledged racists empire running part of the world because the natives couldnt -i.e. India, Kenya, South Africa, half the middle east etc. Well known in these places, they are.

Buy a book.

K-9

I thought using the "posh" English accent was condescending. We've plenty of our own "posh" accents.

But sure Ireland doesn't have a class system, England does! :rolleyes:

sparkling sea

Bob_Harris wrote: »

If only ultra PC types like yourself could have lived through South Africa under apartheid you would have a clearer idea on what level of racism it's worth getting outraged by.

You don't need to live under an apartheid regime to suffer from racism. Try visiting South Africa, by and large it still exists there for many people.

Or better still have a look round in Ireland, unless your blinkered you cant miss it.

asdasd

or maybe its because i lived abroad most of my life i actually have some idea of how multiculturalism actually works?

so have I. Ireland has in fact aborbed more immigrants per capita in the shortest amount of time with little or no repurcussions.

No BNP for instance. No Vlams Bloque.

At the same stage of its immigration the UK was producing National Fronts and other groups, and it is more anti-EU.

In any case back to the simple point in hand - advertisers use local people. They dont even use Scottish people in England, nor Welsh ( and vice versa) even though they are on the same Island.

Deal with it. And it is accent, not race.

asdasd

Or better still have a look round in Ireland, unless your blinkered you cant miss it.

Really? Where? What laws are passed to discriminate against anybody in Ireland. Compare these laws to the British Empire.

The anti-racist Thought Police are the new sanctimonious self-regarding priest-hood


By they way, I think that people like you are most probably racist. Just as people who are the most vocally greenist consume more energy, and the priests who gave out about normal sexuality were often perverts; this is a form of what the freudians call projection.

You see racism everywhere, because you are a racist.

So rather than call a whole Island racist -itself a racist generalization - look into your own soul.

sparkling sea

asdasd wrote: »

They ahve been dealing with the Irish by banning them from pubs etc. As for the treatment of other non-British, do look up the British Empire. It was an aknowledged racists empire running part of the world because the natives couldnt -i.e. India, Kenya, South Africa, half the middle east etc. Well known in these places, they are.

Buy a book.

Nations managed to get over WW1 and WW2, surely even you are tired of the British Empire arguement, and I say this despite the fact that you are really backing up what I have said.

As a very proud Irish person I find this sort of covert racism embarassing, and its even more uncomfortable to watch on TV when a comment that is obviously anti British is said in the presence of a Bristish person; and then broadcast on TV. We just dont seem to have any awareness at all.

Chinafoot

K-9 wrote: »

I thought using the "posh" English accent was condescending. We've plenty of our own "posh" accents.

I did find it a bit silly for Steve to say that the English accent was the "noble" one. Came across as very condescending.

I don't see how this is racist. The ads have to appeal to the majority...the majority of people in this country are Irish.

A couple of people majorly missing the point here. Rabble, Rabble and all that.

Elmo

For sales they try to use a local voice over, helps with sales or some such nonsense.

Note how Customer care for UK companies are in Ireland, (now India but my point still holds) yet they use sales people in England (not wales, NI or Scotland).

They would say the same about the Irish accent in England.

I did find it a bit silly for Steve to say that the English accent was the "noble" one. Came across as very condescending.

You would think he spoke like the Queen!

sparkling sea

asdasd wrote: »

so have I. Ireland has in fact aborbed more immigrants per capita in the shortest amount of time with little or no repurcussions.

No BNP for instance. No Vlams Bloque.

At the same stage of its immigration the UK was producing National Fronts and other groups, and it is more anti-EU.

In any case back to the simple point in hand - advertisers use local people. They dont even use Scottish people in England, nor Welsh ( and vice versa) even though they are on the same Island.

Deal with it. And it is accent, not race.

Your wrong and tomorrow I will prove it to you. I tired tonight to write it all out.

Have a sociology book which tables our bad record in chronological order happy to pass on this info to you.

Ireland has a terrible record for taking in immigrants, we only took 60 Jewish people in WW2 and this trend continued until the boom.

The only reason we allowed people to come here in the past ten years or so was because we need them to boast of economy, we needed the labour.

Equally your knowledge of the British media practices is dubious to say the least.

sparkling sea

Elmo wrote: »

For sales they try to use a local voice over, helps with sales or some such nonsense.

Note how Customer care for UK companies are in Ireland, (now India but my point still holds) yet they use sales people in England (not wales, NI or Scotland).

They would say the same about the Irish accent in England.

I think it has been pointed out that the voice over argument does not stand up. Why have you chosen to ignore, what is a valid point.

And they don't say the same thing about the Irish accent in England, not in the context that it was said on The Apprentice tonight.

As another commentator pointed out there would probably be uproar if they did and rightly so

Elmo

sparkling sea wrote: »

Have a sociology book which tables our bad record in chronological order happy to pass on this info to you.

We were migrant workers for most of the last centry bar the 1960s, we lived in a 3rd World country. Why would an migrant want to come here, we were all leaving.

Ireland has a terrible record for taking in immigrants, we only took 60 Jewish people in WW2 and this trend continued until the boom.

And you think the rest of the world dealt well with the Jewish people after WW2?

The only reason we allowed people to come here in the past ten years or so was because we need them to boast of economy, we needed the labour.

Because for the first time we were able to take them in, and it isn't like they were English. We would have taken anyone before the boom, and during the boom by Referendum we took that back (I voted No did you?)

Equally your knowledge of the British media practices is dubious to say the least

The BBC were really slow to even have one local English accent on the BBC until the 1970. You had to speak BBC English, it wasn't until the arrival of ITV in the 1950 that that changed and even that was slow, was until the 1970 that the UK saw or heard people with different accents on their services. Talk to Micheal Parkinson about his accent.

mcmoustache

Hissing Sideban wrote: »

In the 1980s there were plenty of British DJ's working and making ads in Ireland, in fact on many radio stations it was the norm.

Consumers reacted equally as positively to these ads and they also react positively to agency ads were British voices are used. Your arguement doesn't hold water. Its the idea of feeding some Irish peoples intrinsic insecurity rather then cold hard business or what the people want, that allows for premises like yours to be presented as fact. The experience of Irish media in the 80's completely topples your suggestion.

Maybe you need to do a bit of research yourself

To bring it back to marketing again, there was a time when English and American accents were "Cool". In the 80's, Irish people associated Irish accents with Irish people in the 80's. Not very cool at all. I remember myself in those days thinking that England and the North were more advanced. And I can tell you, no one would have trusted an ad for Atari (Under 50 bucks!) if Daithi O Sé had done the voice-over.

And just so you know, people's perceptions change by the month. Just because they did things one way in the 80's does not mean they still do. They did it differently in the 80's because we were different. Now, as a confident nation with a large, educated, middle class, we prefer to buy Irish and Advertising agencies reflect that.

If we were living in the 80's right now and I had said what I had sad, then I would be wrong. However, that was 20 years ago and marketing strategies have changed. I'll consider myself right for now.

Elmo

sparkling sea wrote: »

I think it has been pointed out that the voice over argument does not stand up. Why have you chosen to ignore, what is a valid point.

And they don't say the same thing about the Irish accent in England, not in the context that it was said on The Apprentice tonight.

As another commentator pointed out there would probably be uproar if they did and rightly so

In the UK version of the very same series when Jennifer Maguire (Dubliner) was fired the English panelist on The Apprentice (You're Fired) discussed in detail her horrible Irish accent and asked were she had got it from.

mcmoustache

sparkling sea wrote: »

As a very proud Irish person I find this sort of covert racism embarassing, and its even more uncomfortable to watch on TV when a comment that is obviously anti British is said in the presence of a Bristish person; and then broadcast on TV. We just dont seem to have any awareness at all.

No. We just don't go looking for it. Real racism happens all the time and you're just undermining what real victims of racism go through.

super_furry

Jesus, three pages? The fish are biting tonight.

mcmoustache

super_furry wrote: »

Jesus, three pages? The fish are biting tonight.

Sometimes it's fun to feed them ;o) And the OP seems to really believe what she's saying so it might not be such a clear case of trolling.

krudler

sparkling sea wrote: »

I was disappointed at the backward step in the form of a racist statement made by an Appleby representative and resounded by Bill Cullen on the Apprentice show this evening.
The fact that this person nor Bill Cullen didn't even have enough cope on to
disguise their racist attitude is even more bewildering. The fact that both TV3 and Renault endorsed this by choosing not to edit this out is to me mind blowing.

Its one thing to announce on live TV that as a company, Appleby's would
prefer to have an Irish accent on an advert (even if the intention is
covertly racist) but to announce that as a company they overtly did not want a British voice was stupid.

It brings back of the no blacks, no dogs and no Irish attitude that existed in Britain in the 1950's - it was wrong 50 years ago and is completely unacceptable in 2009.

Appleby's as a company definitely sent a clear message, they have underlining issues, Bill Cullen and Renault further perpetuated this view.
And TV3 endorsed this.

I know we are in a recession but we don't need this old chestnut rearing its ugly head again :mad:

The English are a different race of people than us now? Surely thats xenophobia rather than racism, obvious troll is not only obvious, but silly

Not allowing dogs in somewhere is racist as well? those poor dogs, getting a bad rap for years, just because of a few bad ones:D

sparkling sea

krudler wrote: »

The English are a different race of people than us now? Surely thats xenophobia rather than racism, obvious troll is not only obvious, but silly

Not allowing dogs in somewhere is racist as well? those poor dogs, getting a bad rap for years, just because of a few bad ones:D

You are right I should have said xenophobia rather than racism. I dont mind admitting I am wrong, if I am wrong, I also don't mind admitting that a major problem exists in Ireland with regard to tolerance for people of other nationalities.

I think it was very disappointing to see this on the Apprentice and I don't really care what other countries do, the old saying the two wrongs don't make a right holds true.

This programme is supposedly set in a working environment and legislation exists that deals with all types of discrimination. EEA 1998 ESA 2000 EA2004 outlaw direct and indirect discrimination and discrimination by association at work among others on the grounds of race. I won't pretend that people are not discriminated against everyday, but I do think that business peole and TV stations should be aware of this legislation and need for it. They should take proper measures to ensure they do not propel this discrimination. If they do breach the spirit of the legislation, we should recognise this and let it be known that it is unacceptable.

I am not surprised that many people here think this may be a joke or that some totally ignore that fact that I am not the only person who feels that the behaviour was completely inappropriate. Please dont reply thats because it is a joke - I don't find it fun and IT would appear from other commentators that I am not the only one

Fortunately, some people understand exactly what the problem is. Discrimination is a huge problem in Ireland, and like bullying it does not have to be physical, it can also be psychological and verbal, and I believe it was in this case.

sparkling sea

mcmoustache wrote: »

No. We just don't go looking for it. Real racism happens all the time and you're just undermining what real victims of racism go through.

I think its more a case that we ignore whats right under our nose or what we dont want to see with regard to all sorts of problems. Its easier to ignore a problem then deal with it.

Maybe thats why we have some many problems - hear no evil, see no evil

amacachi

Elmo

sparkling sea wrote: »

You are right I should have said xenophobia rather than racism. I dont mind admitting I am wrong, if I am wrong, I also don't mind admitting that a major problem exists in Ireland with regard to tolerance for people of other nationalities.

I think it was very disappointing to see this on the Apprentice and I don't really care what other countries do, the old saying the two wrongs don't make a right holds true.

This programme is supposedly set in a working environment and legislation exists that deals with all types of discrimination. EEA 1998 ESA 2000 EA2004 outlaw direct and indirect discrimination and discrimination by association at work among others on the grounds of race. I won't pretend that people are not discriminated against everyday, but I do think that business peole and TV stations should be aware of this legislation and need for it. They should take proper measures to ensure they do not propel this discrimination. If they do breach the spirit of the legislation, we should recognise this and let it be known that it is unacceptable.

I am not surprised that many people here think this may be a joke or that some totally ignore that fact that I am not the only person who feels that the behaviour was completely inappropriate. Please dont reply thats because it is a joke - I don't find it fun and IT would appear from other commentators that I am not the only one

Fortunately, some people understand exactly what the problem is. Discrimination is a huge problem in Ireland, and like bullying it does not have to be physical, it can also be psychological and verbal, and I believe it was in this case.

If you feel this way then you should make a complaint to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland www.bai.ie. They will make a ruling on your complaint and if they argee will ask TV3 to make an apology on air.

However I do think you are blowing one remark out of proportion. What did the person say exactly.

Did they say: -

I don't want a British accent
I only want an Irish accent
I don't want an English accent
I don't want a foreign accent

Also you seem to have ignored several facts IMO

1. That in Britain it was a number of years before local accents appeared on air (You brought history up)
2. That in Ireland we watch English television with English accents.
3. It is not unusual to ask for specific accents on advertising, for example they could have stated. We want a male voice over, do you think that that would sexist?

But go through the complaints process and see what happen it will be interesting to see the result.

No comment on Jennifer MaGuires accent?

getz

TheCandystripes wrote: »

definetly anyway the british are a better people than irish no matter how irish might think otherwise. irish people can't handle foreigners who have been here for a few years, british have been dealing with irish and other foreigners for centuries.

more than centuries, the irish have been over here ever since written records.i would be worried if i dident see a irish character or hear a irish accent on the TV or in the soaps in the UK

Saint_Mel

Elmo wrote: »

Did they say: -

I don't want a British accent
I only want an Irish accent
I don't want an English accent
I don't want a foreign accent

Cant remember exact phrase but to me it seemed as if they were disgusted at the thoughts of the company/products/family being associated with an English accent.
Could be wrong but thats just the impression I got from them.

While they wanted to empahsise the fact that they are an Irish family business they would have been perfectly entitled to look for Irish accents on the vioce over
but I think their reaction to it painted them in a different light.

On a different note though I thought it was a bad move putting cheap plastic crowns in an advert for jewellery!

Noffles

Maybe.... they're putting an Irish accent on it to have it more friendly, less "clever".... British accents tend to sound to smart, highbrow and aloof.....

just a thought....

*tick tick tick..... waits for it*

Elmo

Noffles wrote: »

Maybe.... they're putting an Irish accent on it to have it more friendly, less "clever".... British accents tend to sound to smart, highbrow and aloof.....

just a thought....

*tick tick tick..... waits for it*

Here you go!

This IMO is a very Irish thing to think (The welsh and scottish also seem to think it). And it is just a post-clonial view of the English accent. Just like in Ireland their are plenty of different accents in England not just Posh English accents. I feel that the English person in the Irish apprentice does not have one of those accents (he does not sound Smart, Highbrow or Aloof haha).

Also it is great to see we are now more used to saying British when we talk about Britian rather than England. Ironically when we talk about England we refer to Britian as though Scotland and Wales don't exist. :rolleyes:

sparkling sea

Elmo wrote: »

If you feel this way then you should make a complaint to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland www.bai.ie. They will make a ruling on your complaint and if they argee will ask TV3 to make an apology on air.

However I do think you are blowing one remark out of proportion. What did the person say exactly.

Did they say: -

I don't want a British accent
I only want an Irish accent
I don't want an English accent
I don't want a foreign accent

Also you seem to have ignored several facts IMO

1. That in Britain it was a number of years before local accents appeared on air (You brought history up)
2. That in Ireland we watch English television with English accents.
3. It is not unusual to ask for specific accents on advertising, for example they could have stated. We want a male voice over, do you think that that would sexist?

But go through the complaints process and see what happen it will be interesting to see the result.

No comment on Jennifer MaGuires accent?

I did make a complaint to BAI last night, although its not a straight forward as you may think.

Everything has to be put into context and what happened on the show last night, was embarassing and discriminator in my opinion, and as I previously pointed out I am not alone in feeling this way

Depending on the context, attacks on anyones accent on any TV in any country is a disgrace. Professional business people on a show like this one should be more aware of their legal obligations not to discriminate or associate themselves with people or acts that are deemed discriminatory
And they should also be aware of how they may be overtly acknowledging discriminatory sentiments and the consequences of these no matter what country they are in.

Noffles

Elmo wrote: »

Here you go!

This IMO is a very Irish thing to think (The welsh and scottish also seem to think it). And it is just a post-clonial view of the English accent. Just like in Ireland their are plenty of different accents in England not just Posh English accents. I feel that the English person in the Irish apprentice does not have one of those accents (he does not sound Smart, Highbrow or Aloof haha).

Also it is great to see we are now more used to saying British when we talk about Britian rather than England. Ironically when we talk about England we refer to Britian as though Scotland and Wales don't exist. :rolleyes:

Well being Welsh I feel I can comment like this and call Britain... Britain as I am British... and Wales and Scotland do exist in Britain.

But I do agree with your post.