80-10-10 diet?

Leprachaun

Heya,

I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with the 80-10-10 diet and if so how did it go for you? Did you find it hard giving up meat?

EileenG

What is it? 80-10-10 whats?

Jarren

http://www.everydiet.org/diet/80-10-10-diet

Mellor

I would say that its not a good diet, 80% carbs is too high,

corkcomp

op, The diet isnt that bad, ive followed similar diets in the past, with success.
However, i reckon 60% carbs and 20-20 protein / fat might be a better start .. also if you are not doing strength training three times a week and daily cardio, you are not following the program as per the author! even if you were to follow the diet (loosely) you could still get your protein from the meat? IMO, people dont need as much protein as they thinj, this especially applies to non weight lifters .

Leprachaun

corkcomp wrote: »

op, The diet isnt that bad, ive followed similar diets in the past, with success.
However, i reckon 60% carbs and 20-20 protein / fat might be a better start .. also if you are not doing strength training three times a week and daily cardio, you are not following the program as per the author! even if you were to follow the diet (loosely) you could still get your protein from the meat? IMO, people dont need as much protein as they thinj, this especially applies to non weight lifters .

Aye I do strength training thrice a week and cardio everyday already. I've ordered the book but delivery is going to take a while so I was just asking other peoples opinions in the mean time. I might try an altered version of the diet like you suggested, i.e. 60-20-20.

EileenG

jarecki1976 wrote: »

http://www.everydiet.org/diet/80-10-10-diet

You have to eat nine and a half pounds of food a day, and that's before you take a drink of water???? I wouldn't be able to waddle after that.

El_Dangeroso

I did a raw food vegan diet in a former life. Lasted two weeks before severe stomach cramps became unbearable.

We cook food for a very good reason (and have been doing for a million years or so), to make it more digestable and to unlock nutrients.

I just can't see how consuming over 300g a day of sugar could ever be healthy, even if it comes from fruit. Your liver doesn't differentiate between a fructose molecule from fruit and one from a snickers bar.

And excessive fructose leads to fatty accumulation in your liver, a risk factor for heart disease.

Sapsorrow

corkcomp wrote: »

even if you were to follow the diet (loosely) you could still get your protein from the meat? IMO, people dont need as much protein as they thinj, this especially applies to non weight lifters .

I agree with this point when doing metabolism in college we were told that increased energy requirements are the primary requirement rather than protein and that for athletes in this kind of sport the requirement would still only be 1.6-1.7g/kg/day which is easily met without upping meat intake. There's no evidence for improved performance from increased protein intakes in either endrance or resistance training either.

corkcomp

khrystyna100 wrote: »

I agree with this point when doing metabolism in college we were told that increased energy requirements are the primary requirement rather than protein and that for athletes in this kind of sport the requirement would still only be 1.6-1.7g/kg/day which is easily met without upping meat intake. There's no evidence for improved performance from increased protein intakes in either endrance or resistance training either.

people also dont relalise that there are lots of surprising protein sources (I know some may say its not as easily absorbable) - like mushrooms contain more protein than carbs per 100G and asparagus is also protein rich and 100G of oatmeal contains the protein of around two eggs ..

Khannie

corkcomp wrote: »

people also dont relalise that there are lots of surprising protein sources (I know some may say its not as easily absorbable) - like mushrooms contain more protein than carbs per 100G and asparagus is also protein rich and 100G of oatmeal contains the protein of around two eggs ..

Not all proteins are created equal though. Grain based protein sources are not "complete", while egg protein is considered the gold standard.

corkcomp

Khannie wrote: »

Not all proteins are created equal though. Grain based protein sources are not "complete", while egg protein is considered the gold standard.

true! i just have a slight difficulty with the protein content of an egg though, approx 6 g, you could get the same protein as 5 eggs from a tin of tuna! the calories and protein content vs fullness factor just dont stack up for me anyway

El_Dangeroso

Khannie wrote: »

Not all proteins are created equal though. Grain based protein sources are not "complete", while egg protein is considered the gold standard.

I think egg protein is the gold standard of protein powders, but generally speaking meat and fish protein >>> egg protein. But meat and fish proteins can't be powdered, if they could I'm sure the taste is horrible! Tuna shake anyone?:pac:

Sapsorrow

I don't think anyone in this part of the world has to worry about protein, in particular Irish people eats huge amonts of the stuff. At the end of the day virtually everyone eats way more than they need and I would think often times too much to be healthy. The whole veg protein being incomplete thing isn't really an issue is you eat a varied diet becase as long as you eat a few different foods in the same day your body can mix em all together and use them as it would coming from animal products anyway. Mr Universe a few years ago was a fruitarian wasn't he? Plenty of strong muscley and healthy hardcore vegans out there.

El_Dangeroso

You have to consume a lot more calories to get sufficient protein from vegetable sources compared to animal sources.

That might be fine for people training heavily, but most of us can't afford the extra calories and carbs.

Sapsorrow

Temple_Grandin wrote: »

You have to consume a lot more calories to get sufficient protein from vegetable sources compared to animal sources.

That might be fine for people training heavily, but most of us can't afford the extra calories and carbs.

That would depend on your nutritional philosphy I suppose, not everyone's concerned with low carb or calories and enough people don't seem to need to be! Even if they were they can still eat tofu! mmm.. lovely tofu...

Leprachaun

Temple_Grandin wrote: »

You have to consume a lot more calories to get sufficient protein from vegetable sources compared to animal sources.

That might be fine for people training heavily, but most of us can't afford the extra calories and carbs.

Yeh I was looking at this diet to compliment strength and endurance training, so they extra calories wouldn't be a problem.

Sapsorrow

Leprachaun wrote: »

Yeh I was looking at this diet to compliment strength and endurance training, so they extra calories wouldn't be a problem.

You'll be grand so. just play around a bit and see what works for you yourself, everyones different and different diets work for different people you just need to listen to your body and see what makes it happy or unhappy. Maybe try keeping a food diary for a month to monitor your progress and try and decipher what works best for you. As with any of these pop diets you don't have to follow the book word for word you can adapt it to what suits your body and lifestyle the best

I'm always inclined to think that high protein/ meat consumption is much better suited to people who manage to be a lot more physically active than yer avergage joe, when our ancestors evolved eating meat they'd run for miles everyday and be exposed to much harsher environments and physically challenging lifestyles than us and would have really needed the more building and strengthening qualities of meat than most westerners really do.
If you're trying to eat as an athlete it's most important not to consume simple CHO's, complex unprocessed carbs won't hurt just stick to oats and maybe a bit of rye or spelt and the more nutritious grains without getting stuck in a wheat rut and consming these carbs should help your performance and endurance in particular in the cardio stuff ut also like I mentioned in my other post with the resistance trainging also. Cardio training helps keep all your metabolic hormones in check and helps you keep your blood sugar balanced anyway by changing your muscle physiology and the amount of various metabolic hormones that your body makes to help you better utilise your fuels, so I don't see what harm some complex carbs can do really when you're not trying to lose a lot of weight.

b12mearse

raw vegan diets are very difficult to follow.
you're constantly buying large amounts of foods everyday and there is lots of wastege like skin and peel.

but i would say it is probably the best diet someone could follow.

and who said the body cant differenciate between a snickers and fruit. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

Sapsorrow

b12mearse wrote: »

raw vegan diets are very difficult to follow.
you're constantly buying large amounts of foods everyday and there is lots of wastege like skin and peel.

but i would say it is probably the best diet someone could follow.

and who said the body cant differenciate between a snickers and fruit. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

Agreed it's certainly not easy and takes time and dedication to master but most people who manage will tell you that the benifits are well worth it.
I don't think a 100% raw food diet is good for anyone though, a certain amount of raw food is necessary but cooked food has different qualities that are important in certain individuals in certain situations. I used to be a raw foodie and I suffered very badly from IBS, I started seeing an accupuncturist and he reccomended I started to shift the balance towards slow cooked foods like stews etc and the impact on the health of my stomach was phenomenal. Since then everytime I go near a salad I'm crippled with cramps and loose bowels but this never happens with cooked food unless it contains chile or something else I'm intolerant to. In colder weather I think the warming and building qualities of cooked foods are more appropriate whilst in the spring and summer the cooling and cleansing qualities are more suitable.