Night Club Problem

Fol20

My friend x went into town last week with a few friends..His friend were aloud in but x wasnt..The friends had already bought tickets into the place before the found out x wasnt aloud in.They never even went into the club when they tried to get a refund so they could go to another club but were not aloud because a sign said "NO REFUNDS".Is this even aloud given th circumstances.I thought by state law,if a consumer is not happy with the product or service,he is entitled to credit or a refund

Mr. Presentable

It wasn't the customer who was unhappy, it was the seller. I agree that a refund might have been forthcoming. But why was the person refused?

connundrum

It'd usually be at the discretion of the establisment.

The club has the right to refuse entry, your friends who had paid in were granted entry - it was their own choice not to continue the night in that club.

It'd be the same if you bought a jumper in a shop, brought it home and decided that you didn't like it - the shop might offer store credit but probably not a refund.

A bit scabby on the part of the club, but I'd be surprised if they did anything illegal.

Fol20

They would have stayed in that club if he was aloud in

darc

Fol20 wrote: »

My friend x went into town last week with a few friends..His friend were aloud in but x wasnt..The friends had already bought tickets into the place before the found out x wasnt aloud in.They never even went into the club when they tried to get a refund so they could go to another club but were not aloud because a sign said "NO REFUNDS".Is this even aloud given th circumstances.I thought by state law,if a consumer is not happy with the product or service,he is entitled to credit or a refund

I think you should stay at school and learn how to spell and then maybe learn a little about consumer law.

The word you are looking for is "ALLOW / ALLOWED"

Your friends who paid in were allowed in. They were not refused admission and they were not kicked out of the club.

Unfortunately the the third person was not allowed in as they must have contravened club policy / looked dodgy / underage as per club rules or had drink taken. All of which are valid reasons for refusing entry.

The two who were allowed into the club decided themselves that they did not want to enter and were not prevented from doing so by the club. The club did not sell you entry based on the third person being allowed in and therefore the club is fully within their rights to refuse a refund.

They paid for entry and were permitted to enter, the fact that they left before going through the magic door has no relevance whatsoever.

Fol20

darc wrote: »

I think you should stay at school and learn how to spell and then maybe learn a little about consumer law.

The word you are looking for is "ALLOW / ALLOWED"

Your friends who paid in were allowed in. They were not refused admission and they were not kicked out of the club.

Unfortunately the the third person was not allowed in as they must have contravened club policy / looked dodgy / underage as per club rules or had drink taken. All of which are valid reasons for refusing entry.

The two who were allowed into the club decided themselves that they did not want to enter and were not prevented from doing so by the club. The club did not sell you entry based on the third person being allowed in and therefore the club is fully within their rights to refuse a refund.

They paid for entry and were permitted to enter, the fact that they left before going through the magic door has no relevance whatsoever.

I hate people that correct grammer ,your probably some ****ing loner who has nothing better to do.You get what i mean yet you still want to correct my spelling;NERD!!

Miaireland

Your friends were not entitled to a refund. They changed their mind because person x was not allowed in. A business does not have to offer a refund because of change of mind.

A shop is not obliged by law to take back a jumper because you bought it and decided that you don't like it anymore. Some do but they do not have to by Law.

Dacelonid

Fol20 wrote: »

I hate people that correct grammer! You're probably some ****ing loner who has nothing better to do.You get what I mean yet you still want to correct my spelling. NERD!!

FYP

Cabaal

Fol20 wrote: »

They would have stayed in that club if he was aloud in

This however is a seperate matter to your refund

Fol20 wrote: »

I hate people that correct grammer ,your probably some ****ing loner who has nothing better to do.You get what i mean yet you still want to correct my spelling;NERD!!

Your posting on a message board same as the other poster yet he's the nerd? sure ok.... :rolleyes:

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Fol20 wrote: »

I hate people that correct grammer ,your probably some ****ing loner who has nothing better to do.You get what i mean yet you still want to correct my spelling;NERD!!

Seriously?! Kindergarten is thataway ---->>>>

Infracted. Be polite in future.

douglashyde

I agree, no need to be a wank3r and correct spelling.

Wank3r or not, he has a point; there's nothing illegal going on, however it was pretty unfair on the night clubs behalf not to let you in.

rubadub

douglashyde wrote: »

I agree, no need to be a wank3r and correct spelling.

So just leave him go on spelling it wrongly forever?

Fol20 wrote: »

I hate people that correct grammer

It's grammar...

In future make sure you are all in past the bouncers before paying. It would be a good trick, they get your money and send you on your way, knowing you will probably all head off if one is not let in.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Fol20 wrote: »

I hate people that correct grammer

rubadub wrote: »

It's grammar...

Actually in this case it was spelling that was the issue, but everyone continue derailing the thread

Nody

Hitchhiker's Guide to... wrote: »

Actually in this case it was spelling that was the issue, but everyone continue derailing the thread

It is not being derailed; it is being taken to new and interesting places as the original question was answered!

Fol20

Where do i appeal this,if i get an infraction, darc should get one as well.Your being a bit hypocritical in the sense that he insulted me so i insulted him back.He initiated the thread spoiling and i only let him know how appreciated i am of his comment.

I think you should stay at school and learn how to spell and then maybe learn a little about consumer law.

The word you are looking for is "ALLOW / ALLOWED"

Fol20

Hitchhiker's Guide to... wrote: »

Actually in this case it was spelling that was the issue, but everyone continue derailing the thread

As a moderator i though your purpose his to keep thread on point,yep gj....

Jev/N

Hitchhiker's Guide to... wrote: »

Actually in this case it was spelling that was the issue, but everyone continue derailing the thread

Punctuation also.

amcalester

Fol20 wrote: »

Where do i appeal this,if i get an infraction, darc should get one as well.Your being a bit hypocritical in the sense that he insulted me so i insulted him back.He initiated the thread spoiling and i only let him know how appreciated i am of his comment.

I think you should stay at school and learn how to spell and then maybe learn a little about consumer law.

The word you are looking for is "ALLOW / ALLOWED"

You are = You're and not your

TheDriver

hmmmmm, looking at OPs attitude, I am no longer wondering why her "friend x" is not allowed into the club.

p15574

Fol20 wrote: »

Where do i appeal this,if i get an infraction, darc should get one as well.Your being a bit hypocritical in the sense that he insulted me so i insulted him back.He initiated the thread spoiling and i only let him know how appreciated i am of his comment.

Dare I mention appreciated/appreciative?
or i/I?

dudara

Posters - enough on the spelling/punctuation/grammar argument. I will not tolerate any more.

OP - All nightclubs reserve the right of admission, regardless of whether a person has a pre-purchased ticket or not. This means that they were within their rights to deny entry to the individual.

Furthermore, each ticket-holder had an individual contract with the nightclub. Therefore the refusal of entry to one person does not affect the rights of any of the others.

Guy:Incognito

Fol20 wrote: »

.I thought by state law,if a consumer is not happy with the product or service,he is entitled to credit or a refund

You thought wrong. There is no provision for change of mind on goods. When you buy somethign, it's yours and the shop has no obligation to take it back unless it's fault.

Rev. Kitchen

The club has the right to refuse entry but they do have to give you a reason. If for example you are stopped because you are a member of the travelling community then that is against the law.

ScouseMouse

Rev. Kitchen wrote: »

The club has the right to refuse entry but they do have to give you a reason. If for example you are stopped because you are a member of the travelling community then that is against the law.

Do they?

I dont think they have to give a reason. If they do, then you can argue about it. There are several different types of discrimination. Gender, sexual orientation, traveller, disability and a few more (cannot remember the rest). It is down to the patron to prove one of these, in this case, it does not look like they can.

Cabaal

superscouse wrote: »

Do they?

I dont think they have to give a reason. If they do, then you can argue about it. There are several different types of discrimination. Gender, sexual orientation, traveller, disability and a few more (cannot remember the rest). It is down to the patron to prove one of these, in this case, it does not look like they can.

Lets see they can say you've had too much or your too young, OP did the person that was stopped have ID?

BEBOKING

Rev. Kitchen wrote: »

The club has the right to refuse entry but they do have to give you a reason. If for example you are stopped because you are a member of the travelling community then that is against the law.

I was stopped the one and only time in my life going to well known club(which sounds like a well known cigar) a few years back and was giving no reason and told go for a walk and come back in an hours and when I did I was stopped again and when I asked the bouncer why he stopped me he said I don't have to tell you fcuking nothing.I then asked the head bouncer what did I do wrong and asked him to call the manager which he refused to do and he said to leave it and I tried one last time with the original bouncer and he muttered something about me being drunk but there was only one problem to that suggestion!!

I don't drink!!!

I felt disgraced and people were actually sticking up for me who didn't know me cause they could see I was badly wronged.

Some bouncers in Cork are a disgrace and are on a sad power trip.

I haven't stepped foot in that club since and never will.

Mr. Frost

rubadub wrote: »

So just leave him go on spelling it wrongly forever?

I think it was the condescending (and quite frankly, wankerish - oh wait is that not a word!?! :rolleyes:) manner in which he was corrected. Besides, he's not the guys parents or teacher or whatever. I hate bad grammar but just being a prick like that is uncalled for (not you, darc).

Mr. Frost

dudara wrote: »

Posters - enough on the spelling/punctuation/grammar argument. I will not tolerate any more.

Oops. Only saw this now!

darc

:D:D

The idea of throwing in the wrong word error comment was to see the reaction from the OP.

I think we now know why person number 3 was not allowed in especially if they have a similar style of attack that the OP has. Or maybe it the OP themselves that were not allowed in????

I'm well past sell by date on clubs, (I fondly remember Blinkers!) and in my time the bouncers could discriminate whatever way they liked. What I learnt, was be polite as pie to the bouncers, bow in their presence and then call them whatever names you wish under your breath or in your head.

Unfortunately too many people think the bouncers are a challenge and that they know everything about "the law" and that they'll get the bouncer sacked etc etc and then get peeved when they're told to eff off!

Manners is all that's needed!

BEBOKING

darc wrote: »

:D:D

The idea of throwing in the wrong word error comment was to see the reaction from the OP.

I think we now know why person number 3 was not allowed in especially if they have a similar style of attack that the OP has. Or maybe it the OP themselves that were not allowed in????

I'm well past sell by date on clubs, (I fondly remember Blinkers!) and in my time the bouncers could discriminate whatever way they liked. What I learnt, was be polite as pie to the bouncers, bow in their presence and then call them whatever names you wish under your breath or in your head.

Unfortunately too many people think the bouncers are a challenge and that they know everything about "the law" and that they'll get the bouncer sacked etc etc and then get peeved when they're told to eff off!

Manners is all that's needed!

Manners you say??I certainly don't think I know everything about "the law" as you say and am always polite to everyone but some bouncers are nasty,rude people who actually think they are something special!!

I agree that some people act disgracefully to bouncers but also lots of people get treated disgracefully by bouncers when they have done nothing to warrant it!!

I hate the way lots of people assume when you get stopped you must of deserved it.I used to be like that till the day I was stopped and then saw things differently.

I just feel sorry for people who are wrongly stopped by bouncers.That's all.

Rev. Kitchen

darc wrote: »

:D:D

The idea of throwing in the wrong word error comment was to see the reaction from the OP.

I think we now know why person number 3 was not allowed in especially if they have a similar style of attack that the OP has. Or maybe it the OP themselves that were not allowed in????

I'm well past sell by date on clubs, (I fondly remember Blinkers!) and in my time the bouncers could discriminate whatever way they liked. What I learnt, was be polite as pie to the bouncers, bow in their presence and then call them whatever names you wish under your breath or in your head.

Unfortunately too many people think the bouncers are a challenge and that they know everything about "the law" and that they'll get the bouncer sacked etc etc and then get peeved when they're told to eff off!

Manners is all that's needed!

I dont think we learnt anything about the OP from your test but we learnt alot about you.

Fol20

darc wrote: »

:D:D

The idea of throwing in the wrong word error comment was to see the reaction from the OP.

I think we now know why person number 3 was not allowed in especially if they have a similar style of attack that the OP has. Or maybe it the OP themselves that were not allowed in????

I'm well past sell by date on clubs, (I fondly remember Blinkers!) and in my time the bouncers could discriminate whatever way they liked. What I learnt, was be polite as pie to the bouncers, bow in their presence and then call them whatever names you wish under your breath or in your head.

Unfortunately too many people think the bouncers are a challenge and that they know everything about "the law" and that they'll get the bouncer sacked etc etc and then get peeved when they're told to eff off!

Manners is all that's needed!

Nope im not into the whole clubbing scene,although i do the love the music...

Btw bouncers have to give a reason as to why your not allowed in..If they say your drunk,you get it on tape,the go to a hospital for a alcohol test and its negative,i think you can sue them but dont count my word for it,im only a dumb idiot that cant spell and should go back to school and learn some consumer law:(:(

Jev/N

Fol20 wrote: »

Nope im not into the whole clubbing scene,although i do the love the music...

Btw bouncers have to give a reason as to why your not allowed in.

No, they don't.

Also, do you see the correlation between the first and the second sentence?

RandolphEsq

Fol20 wrote: »

Btw bouncers have to give a reason as to why your not allowed in..If they say your drunk,you get it on tape,the go to a hospital for a alcohol test and its negative,i think you can sue them but dont count my word for it,im only a dumb idiot that cant spell and should go back to school and learn some consumer law:(:(

Sue them for what? The €10 price of the ticket? Not going to be heard anywhere. When the ticket was bought, certain conditions came with it namely that you accepted the club have a door policy to enforce.
However, what if the club refused everybody except for one person to make a massive profit. Is that allowed? Could everybody claim individually or would a mass action be the way to do it?

Fol20

A friend of mine did a security course,he told me that they have to give a valid reason

Fol20

RandolphEsq wrote: »

Sue them for what? The €10 price of the ticket? Not going to be heard anywhere. When the ticket was bought, certain conditions came with it namely that you accepted the club have a door policy to enforce.
However, what if the club refused everybody except for one person to make a massive profit. Is that allowed? Could everybody claim individually or would a mass action be the way to do it?

Im not talking about what happened to my friend,im talking generally,if you never took any alcohol and they said your too drunk and if you can prove both that he said that and that you were not drunk,well as far as i know you can do something or so im told..

Beware,i might have a load of grammar mistakes

RandolphEsq

Fol20 wrote: »

Im not talking about what happened to my friend,im talking generally,if you never took any alcohol and they said your too drunk and if you can prove both that he said that and that you were not drunk,well as far as i know you can do something or so im told..

Beware,i might have a load of grammar mistakes

Oh, thanks for telling me . . .

I presume that a doorman is not to be held legally accountable for refusing entry to somebody for being too drunk when he realistically cannot be expected to breathalise every Tom, Drunk and Harry who queues up to get in. I suppose that's why you don't turn up to a club 'too drunk'

RandolphEsq

Fol20 wrote: »

A friend of mine did a security course,he told me that they have to give a valid reason

"Sorry, you're too drunk"

That is a valid reason. Does it need to be backed up with more than "I thought you looked very drunk that's why I refused you" ?

FearDark

My god reading this thread the OP's attitude absolutely stinks, id say "X" is him/her tbh and I dont know why any of you are helping said OP.

RandolphEsq

FearDark wrote: »

My god reading this thread the OP's attitude absolutely stinks, id say "X" is him/her tbh and I dont know why any of you are helping said OP.

Please go on runt . . .

Fol20

FearDark wrote: »

My god reading this thread the OP's attitude absolutely stinks, id say "X" is him/her tbh and I dont know why any of you are helping said OP.

Thread spoiling,personal abuse???

And yet again,as i said already,clubbing isnt my scene so it isnt me.

Fol20

RandolphEsq wrote: »

"Sorry, you're too drunk"

That is a valid reason. Does it need to be backed up with more than "I thought you looked very drunk that's why I refused you" ?

My friend told me that a phrase like "your too drunk!" is a something that can be used against him,however if they use "in my opinion,you are too drunk",nothing can be done

Jev/N

Fol20 wrote: »

My friend told me that a phrase like "your too drunk!" is a something that can be used against him,however if they use "in my opinion,you are too drunk",nothing can be done

Is that not mere semantics? And anyway, the bouncer could argue that because you were 'too drunk', hence you failed to hear the "in my opinion" bit.

Gonzales

darc wrote: »

I think you should stay at school and learn how to spell and then maybe learn a little about consumer law.

The word you are looking for is "ALLOW / ALLOWED"

Your friends who paid in were allowed in. They were not refused admission and they were not kicked out of the club.

Unfortunately the the third person was not allowed in as they must have contravened club policy / looked dodgy / underage as per club rules or had drink taken. All of which are valid reasons for refusing entry.

The two who were allowed into the club decided themselves that they did not want to enter and were not prevented from doing so by the club. The club did not sell you entry based on the third person being allowed in and therefore the club is fully within their rights to refuse a refund.

They paid for entry and were permitted to enter, the fact that they left before going through the magic door has no relevance whatsoever.

I think you might like to consider a more courteous attitude in future posts, you come across as a right "you know what" in your post.

Gonzales

connundrum wrote: »

The club has the right to refuse entry, your friends who had paid in were granted entry - it was their own choice not to continue the night in that club.

Hit the nail on the head there. It's tough but c'est la vie.

scudzilla

Fol20 wrote: »

My friend told me that a phrase like "your too drunk!" is a something that can be used against him,however if they use "in my opinion,you are too drunk",nothing can be done

Yep, i always used the phrase "Sorry, in my opinion you've had a bit too much to drink"

Was always nice with the person aswell, good manners and having the right attitude went a long long way.
If ya let some1 in who's totally locked then if they have an accident inside, like fall down some stairs, the club would be liable for letting him/her inside in the first place

rubadub

Rev. Kitchen wrote: »

I dont think we learnt anything about the OP from your test but we learnt alot about you.

I did learn something, he flew off the handle and now I am not surprised he got refused. This is a common enough tactic of bouncers, they can refuse people simply to see how they respond. It is quite a good idea, people are acting all nice going up to the door and they have no idea how they would react inside the club, if say somebody spilled a drink on them etc.

We used to have a tactic that worked nearly all the time, if we were refused we would remain perfectly calm and just say fair enough, we would stand aside and start to discuss (calmly) where we might go instead. This was to show that though we may be drunk we were not rowdy or likely to cause trouble. Many times the bouncers would invite us in without us even having to ask again, and if we did ask it would be a humble request.

Fol20 wrote: »

Btw bouncers have to give a reason as to why your not allowed in..If they say your drunk,you get it on tape,the go to a hospital for a alcohol test and its negative,i think you can sue them but dont count my word for it,im only a dumb idiot that cant spell and should go back to school and learn some consumer law:(:(

Now I am in no doubt why they would refuse you. It reminds me of lads trying to challenge the gardai.

Fol20

Jev/N wrote: »

Is that not mere semantics? And anyway, the bouncer could argue that because you were 'too drunk', hence you failed to hear the "in my opinion" bit.

It would all be hearsay unless it is recorded

amcalester

Pubs and clubs do not have to give reason for refusing you entry or service.

They must have a valid reason but they dont have to tell you what that reason is.

Jev/N

Fol20 wrote: »

It would all be hearsay unless it is recorded

Exactly; so if you later argued whether a reason was given, whether it wasn't or whether it didn't apply, it wouldn't really matter

Danno

Why go to these over priced places, pay for slapped up drink and risk your life that some drugged up looder won't want to see to you later on outside?