Unemployed and owning a car

imeddyhobbs

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!
I'm not talking about someone who recently lost their job,I'm talking about career spongers that think they should or have a right to own a car.
It says a lot for the welfare state here when people that have no work are able to put a car on the road,I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

bluto63

What do they need a car for? It's not like they have anywhere to go...

Takk

bluto63 wrote: »

What do they need a car for? It's not like they have anywhere to go...

Job interviews.

Mr Benevolent

I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

Oh yes, I go hungry regularly. I am stuck in a 1927 time warp after all. Thread fail btw.

partyatmygaff

bluto63 wrote: »

What do they need a car for? It's not like they have anywhere to go...

Of course they do, how else could they goto collect their dole and go on their daily trip to the bar/club because all people on welfare benefits get enough to live it up and then some. :rolleyes:

Biggins

I see we're going down a well traveled road again - and not by car!

mobius42

Some jobs require a car and some people live in areas where the only way to get around is by car. Also, if they had a job previously, they probably bought a car. Do you expect everyone who becomes unemployed to sell their car straight away, especially when they are searching for a job?

ejmaztec

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.

On the rocky road.:eek:

bluto63

Takk wrote: »

Job interviews.

Aren't people on the dole entitled to free bus travel everywhere? Even across the country?

MikeC101

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!

Used to deal with a fair amount of people on welfare in a previous job, not many of them owned cars. Those that did were second or third hand at best, and it's fairly cheap to buy an old banger.

Are there really a lot of long term people on the dole complaining they can't buy a car? Last time I was in the signing on queue I counted 45 people in front of me, and there were hardly any cars in the car park (and no guarantee those that were didn't belong to the staff).

Sounds like a bit of a "lazy long term dolers" straw man to me.

squod

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!
I'm not talking about someone who recently lost their job,I'm talking about career spongers that think they should or have a right to own a car.
It says a lot for the welfare state here when people that have no work are able to put a car on the road,I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

Troll much?

http://www.flytampa.org/forum/files/troll_cat_car_163.jpg

Whosbetter?

Biggins wrote: »

I see we're going down a well traveled road again - and not by car!

Hi-ace Van, perchance?

partyatmygaff

Biggins wrote: »

I see we're going down a well traveled road again - and not by car!

I'll provide route directions.

Dole thread -> Dole bashing -> Complaining about how hard people on the dole have it -> Poor jokes -> Complaining about how the govurdment are giving money to the banks and cutting the xmas bonus -> More poor Jokes -> Complaining about why the unemployed need a bonus and how "back in my day" life was harder and after 100 metres take a left to go under a nice little area called the banhammer.

wolfpawnat

I am on welfare (not electively), I was offered a car for free by a family member, I had to decline. I cannot afford Petrol, Tax, Insurance and maintainence!!!!

I genuinely cannot see how someone can afford a car, I dont smoke or drink. I shop in Penny's and Tescos and I pay my ESB. I get the bus everywhere and I get on with it!

I truly believe if you're a long term welfare person, you should NOT have a car!!

It is a luxury, not a necessity!

MikeC101

bluto63 wrote: »

Aren't people on the dole entitled to free bus travel everywhere? Even across the country?

Don't think so :

* You are aged 66 or over
* You are getting Disability Allowance, Blind Pension, Carer's Allowance or an Invalidity Pension from the Department of Social and Family Affairs.
* You are in residential care approved by the Health Service Executive and getting Disability Allowance
* You have been getting Incapacity Supplement or Workmen's Compensation with Disablement Pension for at least 12 months
* You are blind or visually impaired and meet the medical conditions for Blind Pension
* You are a specified carer for a person getting Constant Attendance Allowance or Prescribed Relatives Allowance from the Department
* You are getting a social security invalidity payment, or similar payment, from another EU member state or from a country with which Ireland has a bilateral social security agreement for at least 12 months
* You are a widow or widower aged 60 or over whose late spouse held a free travel pass and who is getting one of the following payments: State Pension (Transition), Widow's/Widower's (Contributory) Pension, Widow's/Widower's (Non-Contributory) Pension, One-Parent Family Payment, Widow's/Widower's Pension under the Occupational Injuries Benefit Scheme or a similar social security pension/benefit from an EU member state or a country with which Ireland has a bilateral social security agreement, or an ordinary Garda widow's pension.

krudler

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!
I'm not talking about someone who recently lost their job,I'm talking about career spongers that think they should or have a right to own a car.
It says a lot for the welfare state here when people that have no work are able to put a car on the road,I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

I find it a bit rich you cant even spell your own username, its Eddie Hobbs btw

brian ireland

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!
I'm not talking about someone who recently lost their job,I'm talking about career spongers that think they should or have a right to own a car.
It says a lot for the welfare state here when people that have no work are able to put a car on the road,I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

bluto63 wrote: »

What do they need a car for? It's not like they have anywhere to go...

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Of course they do, how else could they goto collect their dole and go on their daily trip to the bar/club because all people on welfare benefits get enough to live it up and then some. :rolleyes:

I was working on Friday. Tomorrow is My first day without a job after 26 years . To all of the above.

IT might be you!!!

partyatmygaff

brian ireland wrote: »

I was working on Friday. Tomorrow is My first day without a job after 26 years . To all of the above.

IT might be you!!!

I'm still in school :pac:

imeddyhobbs

squod wrote: »

Troll much?

http://www.flytampa.org/forum/files/troll_cat_car_163.jpg

You use cats,a wee bit familiar and troll like

imeddyhobbs

krudler wrote: »

I find it a bit rich you cant even spell your own username, its Eddie Hobbs btw

................Sound

brian ireland

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I'm still in school :pac:

Enough said!!

imeddyhobbs

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I am on welfare (not electively), I was offered a car for free by a family member, I had to decline. I cannot afford Petrol, Tax, Insurance and maintainence!!!!

I genuinely cannot see how someone can afford a car, I dont smoke or drink. I shop in Penny's and Tescos and I pay my ESB. I get the bus everywhere and I get on with it!

I truly believe if you're a long term welfare person, you should NOT have a car!!


It is a luxury, not a necessity!

My point exactly.

partyatmygaff

brian ireland wrote: »

Enough said!!

It was a joke, I amn't oblivious to the life of people on the dole (Well atleast not those who make a career out of it). Its stressful, depressing and tough especially for those with a family.

Jet Black

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I am on welfare (not electively), I was offered a car for free by a family member, I had to decline. I cannot afford Petrol, Tax, Insurance and maintainence!!!!

I genuinely cannot see how someone can afford a car, I dont smoke or drink. I shop in Penny's and Tescos and I pay my ESB. I get the bus everywhere and I get on with it!

I truly believe if you're a long term welfare person, you should NOT have a car!!

It is a luxury, not a necessity!

Rich ould life you have, I shop in guineys and lidl:pac::pac::pac:

stepbar

Look if you live in the countryside you need a car, be it a banger or what you have. It's very easy for someone to say (who lives in a city or the like) that you don't need a car. It's a necessity for some people.

imeddyhobbs

partyatmygaff wrote: »

It was a joke, I amn't oblivious to the life of people on the dole (Well atleast not those who make a career out of it). Its stressful, depressing and tough especially for those with a family.

So you dont receive and state income?

partyatmygaff

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

So you dont receive and state income?

Well being in school and getting the dole would be pretty nice but unfortunately no.

Sharpshooter

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!
I'm not talking about someone who recently lost their job,I'm talking about career spongers that think they should or have a right to own a car.
It says a lot for the welfare state here when people that have no work are able to put a car on the road,I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

I usually find that people on social welfare are more concerned about meeting the Gas or Electricity bill on time.
Plus finding the money to feed and clothe a family would be a high priority I would imagine.

Who are these people you are referring to?

Are they friends or acquaintances of yours, or is this thread about heresay OP?

imeddyhobbs

stepbar wrote: »

Look if you live in the countryside you need a car, be it a banger or what you have. It's very easy for someone to say (who lives in a city or the like) that you don't need a car. It's a necessity for some people.

Its a necessity that you cant afford !if you can afford this "necessity"on welfare then your welfare should be cut.

partyatmygaff

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Its a necessity that you cant afford !if you can afford this "necessity"on welfare then your welfare should be cut.

You are not expecting people to walk miles in any and all weather just to get to the nearest shop or doctor e.t.c.? There is no proper public transport outside of Dublin.

squod

There are few jobs I've come accross that don't require the ability to read and write. So what do you do Imeddyhobbs, English teacher?


:rolleyes:

imeddyhobbs

Sharpshooter wrote: »

I usually find that people on social welfare are more concerned about meeting the Gas or Electricity bill on time.
Plus finding the money to feed and clothe a family would be a high priority I would imagine.

Who are these people you are referring to?

Are they friends or acquaintances of yours, or is this thread about heresay OP?

Do you think that this is heresay?This is a reality belive it or not and people here know it.

MikeC101

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Its a necessity that you cant afford !if you can afford this "necessity"on welfare then your welfare should be cut.

So someone who scrapes and cuts back to eventually get together enough money to buy a car (which is most likely pretty old and beat up) should have their dole cut, but someone who boozes and smokes all their payment and has no money left on dole day shouldn't? You'd actually be punishing people who managed to cut back enough to purchase something useful.

imeddyhobbs

squod wrote: »

There are few jobs I've come accross that don't require the ability to read and write. So what do you do Imeddyhobbs, English teacher?


:rolleyes:

Feral cat tamer,yourself?

wolfpawnat

Jet Black wrote: »

Rich ould life you have, I shop in guineys and lidl:pac::pac::pac:

Oh ya, €2.50 for 3 baby vesties in Tescos - Thats the high life for you;)

And Aldi's and Lidl are actually more expensive than Tescos now that Tescos reduced their prices.

I am so tight on cash, I will shop in Supervalu, Dunnes and Tesco's simultaneously just to get the bargains. :cool:

If you have a young child and no income, €204.30 a week is not going to last long with bills!!!!!

Where the effing hell do dole-monkeys get the money between their great social lives and their PS3's to still afford cars????

There are people who need the dole now because they have lost their jobs, but people wwho live the high lives on the dole all their lives are causing others all to be tarred with the same brush. That is why hard working tax payers are peeved at everyone on welfare. They think we are all trying to sponge!

imeddyhobbs

MikeC101 wrote: »

So someone who scrapes and cuts back to eventually get together enough money to buy a car (which is most likely pretty old and beat up) should have their dole cut, but someone who boozes and smokes all their payment and has no money left on dole day shouldn't? You'd actually be punishing people who managed to cut back enough to purchase something useful.

Smokers and boozers are a side issue and not what im talking about

chopperbyrne

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!
I'm not talking about someone who recently lost their job,I'm talking about career spongers that think they should or have a right to own a car.
It says a lot for the welfare state here when people that have no work are able to put a car on the road,I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

A car is necessary for the type of work some people do. If they sell their car, then they greatly decrease their chance of finding another job.

squod

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Feral cat tamer,yourself?

Congratulations on your first correctly spelled post. As for me, TEFl.

partyatmygaff

chopperbyrne wrote: »

A car is necessary for the type of work some people do. If they sell their car, then they greatly decrease their chance of finding another job.

Eh, this is for dole claimers unless your talking about people working cash in hand.

MikeC101

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Smokers and boozers are a side issue and not what im talking about

Yeah right. You're just busy building up a straw man of all these lazy people on the dole complaining about how expensive it is to run a car to have a rant about. Who are these people? How many of them have you heard doing this? I find it odd, given that this is a reality and we all know it according to you, my own experiences in the dole queue don't in any way reflect it.

TriciaDelicia

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

I find it a bit rich that some people who have been claiming social welfare benefits complain that they find it hard to keep a car on the road.
Are these people for real?they get handouts from the state and complain that they can barely afford a car!
I'm not talking about someone who recently lost their job,I'm talking about career spongers that think they should or have a right to own a car.
It says a lot for the welfare state here when people that have no work are able to put a car on the road,I always imagined that when you have no income you might go hungry for a day or two

Unbelievable.

The Pontiac

chopperbyrne wrote: »

A car is necessary for the type of work some people do. If they sell their car, then they greatly decrease their chance of finding another job.

That's completely beside the point. Social welfare money is absolutely not to provide a person with keeping a car on the road.

imeddyhobbs

squod wrote: »

Congratulations on your first correctly spelled post. As for me, TEFl.

Good to see that the spelling police are STILL around,Thanks for that.

MikeC101

chopperbyrne wrote: »

A car is necessary for the type of work some people do. If they sell their car, then they greatly decrease their chance of finding another job.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Eh, this is for dole claimers unless your talking about people working cash in hand.

A surprising amount of people on the dole are actually looking for work you know. Depending on the job, not having a care could easily decrease their chance of finding another job. Not to mention the lack of public transport in most areas outside the major cities and trying to get to interviews, etc.

munsterbear

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Oh ya, €2.50 for 3 baby vesties in Tescos - Thats the high life for you;)

And Aldi's and Lidl are actually more expensive than Tescos now that Tescos reduced their prices.

I am so tight on cash, I will shop in Supervalu, Dunnes and Tesco's simultaneously just to get the bargains. :cool:

If you have a young child and no income, €204.30 a week is not going to last long with bills!!!!!

Where the effing hell do dole-monkeys get the money between their great social lives and their PS3's to still afford cars????


I have to say that I hate hearing that €204.30 is not a lot. There are a lot of extras that are never mentioned. Like Rent Allowance, Fuel Allowance, Back to School allowance, subsidised childcare and many more.

I work full time and after paying out for my rent ( which would be mostly covered if I was unemployed) and pay the childminder ( which I wouldn't need if unemployed) I am left with little more than the dole. BTW I've no problem with the recently unemployed but have a huge problem with the long term unemployed.

I work in a housing office for a local authority and everyday see the whole dependancy culture that this country has produced. It's a disgrace.

MikeC101

<Ollie> wrote: »

That's completely beside the point. Social welfare money is absolutely not to provide a person with keeping a car on the road.

But if they're willing / able to cut back on their spending to the point that they can run a car, why shouldn't they?

stepbar

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Its a necessity that you cant afford !if you can afford this "necessity"on welfare then your welfare should be cut.

Well based on a weekly allowance of 204 eur a week I don't think running a car would be beyond anyone. And I'm talking about a 1L 10 year old car. Would probably cost about a months dole to run and you have to remember that the petrol and insurance etc is being pumped back into the real economy. You're making the assumption that everyone lives within distance of proper transport. Where I'm from there goes one bus through the town at 12pm everyday towards Longford. That's it. What are people supposed to do other than that? Depend on lifts? FFS :rolleyes:

Maybe dole is too high but for god sake depriving people of a transport option when the government is not providing same is beyond sick.

imeddyhobbs

MikeC101 wrote: »

A surprising amount of people on the dole are actually looking for work you know. Depending on the job, not having a care could easily decrease their chance of finding another job. Not to mention the lack of public transport in most areas outside the major cities and trying to get to interviews, etc.

Yea but...You are missing the point.
If you have excess money after your social welfare pay check then you probably are getting too much...

The Pontiac

MikeC101 wrote: »

But if they're willing / able to cut back on their spending to the point that they can run a car, why shouldn't they?

I've no problem with that at all.

Sharpshooter

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Yea but...You are missing the point.
If you have excess money after your social welfare pay check then you probably are getting too much...

That is a ridiculous thing to say, as people differ in how to save money when things are tight.

There are different circumstances surrounding a lot of people out of work, recently or not.

imeddyhobbs, I am closing this thread as you seem to be posting to get a rise out of people here in After Hours.

It's starting to work and I don't want to hand out bans to people who might rise to your bait later.

Try Here should you wish to continue your rant.