Leaving Cert English

rashers92

Hi:)

I was just wondering could anyone tell me please what their predictions are for the expected poems on the english honours leaving cert paper for 2009?

thanks,
Aisling

Johnny Giles

Don't need to predict. Check examinations.ie for the paper itself.

rashers92

oh sorry,
im so silly!ha,
i meant the english paper for 2010,
ha thanks anyways though!

Mary007

Yeats

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Boland

Kavanagh (I hope)
Keats came up last year in the revised paper so I wouldn't bet on him coming up..

unknown13

I think either Yeats, Kavanagh or Longley will come up

TelePaul

Just learn 5.

rashers92

cool thanks,
so i will be banking on Longley,Yeats,Boland,Kavanagh!
cheers,
aisling

phasers

I'm not sure about this year but the general tip is a woman an and Irish poet always come up.

Everyone in my year just focused on the women (Although we of course learned all our poets, just learned the women especially well >____> )

signal terror

Rich

bernardo mac

TS Eliot a favourite with the English Dept.Very important and influential modern poet.

degausserxo

It's only November.. you've plenty of time to study five poets

Seloth

signal terror wrote: »

Rich

Our teacher told us not to even bother with her

And thank god too cranky old hag

aoifeX

iv heard boland from a few people!

signal terror

Seloth wrote: »

Our teacher told us not to even bother with her

And thank god too cranky old hag

Really? She's the only female poet we're doing

kev9100

My bet is Kavanagh and Boland

TheCandystripes

what kinda **** do u need to know about poets? ta

Phractal

Well some background info is always good, helps put stuff in context. And sure it means you can study them poets more. Aisling, Ms Meile (cant spell it) also said that Kavanagh is practically a dead cert, and Ms Fitzgerald had said Boland. The big thing is to make personal responses personal- and Its easier to praise than to condemn. Irish poet, female poet, those two are dead certain as standard it appears. And dont discount a poet cos it was up last year- the sneaky bastards may put it up again! Good luck

TheCandystripes

Ok, I just wrote this. I was responding to a question about whether the poetry of Adrienne Rich speaks to you.

Yes the poetry of Rich does speak to me. Despite not being within her natural demographic audience I feel her poetry transcends gender. Rich's poetry provokes with a range of social issues which we can all fathom.

That's crap English but is that generally what we are meant to be doing for these questions?

Phractal

Mate thats not bad english at all. And yeah thats the general idea. That kinda thing, how you felt about it, etc. And kinda how you felt it was written, etc. I will maybe post some of my essays up here, they tend to disturb teachers .

cailin_donn

Boland hasnt come up for a few years, and Eliot and Yeats too... theyre the ones to watch..

Crow92

Besides one, noone has mentioned T.s Eliot?? he's only came up twice in 9 years and hasnt since 2007, the Two q's were mainly personal responses and my teacher believes they ask 'easier' questions for the because he's a 'harder' poet

implausible

Crow92 wrote: »

Besides one, noone has mentioned T.s Eliot?? he's only came up twice in 9 years and hasnt since 2007, the Two q's were mainly personal responses and my teacher believes they ask 'easier' questions for the because he's a 'harder' poet

That's because he's only been on the course a few times in the nine years (don't know off the top of my head) and hasn't been on since 2007!

Your teacher has a good point. Students who answer on the 'harder' poets tend to get marked better, happened last year with Keats.

deemark

deemark wrote: »

That's because he's only been on the course a few times in the nine years (don't know off the top of my head) and hasn't been on since 2007!

Your teacher has a good point. Students who answer on the 'harder' poets tend to get marked better, happened last year with Keats.

Who are the 'harder' poets this year then, by consensus?

oisin_t

would you not learn say 5? or even 6? and that way your safe no matter what? much better than guessing...plus if techers always have an idea of what will be comin up so you can study the ones they reccomend a bit more..T.S. Elliot though to answer you question..

jamser89

kavanagh

Crow92

Well we are studying 5 to be certain, she's just convinced he'll come up....though all teachers are convinced something will;)
Anyways i'm just after downloading eliot reciting most of his poetry, can't find usk, rannock or eas coker IV, Hopefully this'll help remember the poem as i would a song

implausible

Deleted User wrote: »

Who are the 'harder' poets this year then, by consensus?

Keats and Eliot. Keats came up last year.

Lawliet

So Yeats isn't really a "hard" poet?

Crow92

Lawliet wrote: »

So Yeats isn't really a "hard" poet?

we're not saying he isnt hard....i havent studied him yet actually, but it's more a general consensus some are harder than others and you'll see that by which poets are rarely attempted when they come up,

I'm currently doing Kavanagh and personally i find him alot easier to comprehend than eliot, sure eliot even gave explanitory notes with some of his works because most couldn't properly comprehend them.

Lawliet

Crow92 wrote: »

we're not saying he isnt hard....i havent studied him yet actually, but it's more a general consensus some are harder than others and you'll see that by which poets are rarely attempted when they come up,

Yeah I know what you mean, I'm just trying to decide right now what other poets to study. I know my teacher is going to do Yeats in class and I was just wondering if he would cover the tough poet category.

Making It Bad

Am I correct that in saying that if I study 4 poets there is a 69/70 chance one of my poets will come up (i.e 1/70 change they won't come up). This is my reasoning:

There are 8 poets on the course (?), 4 poets come up (?), order is not important therefore the number of possibilities is 8C4 which equals 70. But now if we were to number the 8 poets 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and we study 4, let's say you study 5,6,7,8 then the only possible combination where one of your poets doesn't show up is if 1,2,3,4 show up - which is one combination out of a possible 70. Therefore the probability of one of your poets showing up is 69/70. This is there is only a 1/70 chance than none of your poets will show up! (Note: in the calculations I did not factor in recent patterns in exam papers)

Is this right? I spend my English doing it today :rolleyes:. If it is then I like those odds and will only bothering studying 4!

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Making It Bad wrote: »

Am I correct that in saying that if I study 4 poets there is a 69/70 chance one of my poets will come up (i.e 1/70 change they won't come up). This is my reasoning:

There are 8 poets on the course (?), 4 poets come up (?), order is not important therefore the number of possibilities is 8C4 which equals 70. But now if we were to number the 8 poets 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and we study 4, let's say you study 5,6,7,8 then the only possible combination where one of your poets doesn't show up is if 1,2,3,4 show up - which is one combination out of a possible 70. Therefore the probability of one of your poets showing up is 69/70. This is there is only a 1/70 chance than none of your poets will show up! (Note: in the calculations I did not factor in recent patterns in exam papers)

Is this right? I spend my English doing it today :rolleyes:. If it is then I like those odds and will only bothering studying 4!

but if order isn't important, could i not say: as well as 1,2,3,4 being a combination where none of your poets come up, there is also 4,3,2,1 or 3,2,1,4 or 1,3,2,4 etc. etc.? i'm open to correction here, haven't looked at probability in maths in over 12 months!

Making It Bad

Kennedy Ancient Turf wrote: »

but if order isn't important, could i not say: as well as 1,2,3,4 being a combination where none of your poets come up, there is also 4,3,2,1 or 3,2,1,4 or 1,3,2,4 etc. etc.? i'm open to correction here, haven't looked at probability in maths in over 12 months!

If order was important then 4,3,2,1 would be a different result to 1,2,3,4 however order is not important as for example Boland(1), Yeats(2), Kavanagh(3) and Elliot(4) coming up is the same thing as Elliot(4), Kavanagh(3), Yeats(2) and Boland(1) coming up.

(I think!)

StargazerLily

The only way to cover yourself is to do five - that way you can at least answer on one of the poets if the three you leave out come up. Remember too that even if your preferred poets come up the question might not suit you so the more choice you give yourself the better.If 2009 LC Eng taught us anything it's to not count on predictions or anything else.

seanbmc

rashers92 wrote: »

cool thanks,
so i will be banking on Longley,Yeats,Boland,Kavanagh!
cheers,
aisling

My teacher says that he thinks it will be Yeats or Kavanagh,I hope its them tbh because I like Yeats and Kavanagh`s is easy to understand I think. Longley would be nice too

Healium

I hope Yeats comes up....

DancingQueen:)

I've only done 3 and a bit and i only know one of them so fingers crossed Boland comes up!

monaghanmissus

I hope Kavanagh pops up...

yenoBAYUB

Lawliet wrote: »

So Yeats isn't really a "hard" poet?

|My english teacher said he's not hard to understand people just answer badly on him, and trust me, podgers is never wrong.:rolleyes:

mia19

I'm hoping for Longley and Boland...
Pretty sure Boland is coming up.;)
Our teacher said not to bother with Rich either!!!

gant0

my best guess is boland kavanagh elliot an yeats

LL92

We're doing Rich, Yeats, Kavanagh, Longley, Eliot and I think we still have to do one more, Boland.

Maher08

gant0 wrote: »

my best guess is boland kavanagh elliot an yeats

Looking at the previous papers, these four have extremely good odds for coming up

freyners

StargazerLily wrote: »

The only way to cover yourself is to do five - that way you can at least answer on one of the poets if the three you leave out come up. Remember too that even if your preferred poets come up the question might not suit you so the more choice you give yourself the better.If 2009 LC Eng taught us anything it's to not count on predictions or anything else.

you cant even predict the date its on anymore:D lord never felt as shafted in my life then that thurs morning