Nirvana

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TheStickyBandit

Iolar wrote: »

The greatest Grunge band ever?discuss

No, as grunge was a movement not a statement, what about pearl jam, alice in chains???

louisa200

i would need a definition of grunge.. however i think not either way as he shot himslef in the head , therefor he was not the greatest grunge band ever, he was just ill

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Catari Jaguar

louisa200 wrote: »

i would need a definition of grunge.. however i think not either way as he shot himslef in the head , therefor he was not the greatest grunge band ever, he was just ill

This is very suspect and debatable.

Also your post makes no sense at all. Me card read good.

cournioni

Alice in Chains are 100 times the band Nirvana were.

endasmail

eh no ,would disagree with ya on that one
i think they were more mainstream then any other grunge band and then the whole kurt cobain suicide ,made sure they went down in history
i was always a Stone temple pilots fan ,alice in chains and the like
come to think about it i was never a really big grunge fan

louisa200

mmmm the band foo fighter before they knew what a power cord was... or kurt cobain who indeed was nirvana, dated, loud, to the point, how and ever, mainstream and obviously no longevity, pain honesty(what does that mean) a small moment in musical history time.... nothing really except cash and.. welll stiched shut eyes during a wake which will keep the beats rolling, tho defo not the eyes rolling x xxx

(foo fighters rest my case).................

dimejinky99

Grunge was a stcker and soundbyte label used by record companies. Not a single member of any band big or small in the history of Seattle EVER sat down and said ;lads, lets make grunge music!'

a lot of the rip off bands did (nickleback, creed, stone temple pilots to a lesser dgree) but none of the northwestern bands did.

there was a croiss fertilisation of sound and they were influencing each other a lot of them which is great.

Nirvana wouldnt even be a memory no if Kurt had kept his nerve and stayed around. You *might* remember their 'hit' but thats all. Him putting a full stop to his own life in such a poor me way befitted their (not that great at all) music and made the whole thing overblown for every band involved.

Theres an INCREDIBLE documentary about the whole 'grunge'/Seattle scene featuring ALL the bands involved called HYPE!! you hafta watch tis..its excellent and everyones in it.

heres the first part..its all on youtube..watch it..everything you need to know about the Seattle scene is in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2l7Mzd5iw

Catari Jaguar

Since Kurt's death Nirvana are the most commercial, mainstream and popular grunge band

/thread

dimejinky99

Kurt would vomit on your doubtless ripped up converse if you used that word in the same sentence as his band.

o1s1n

dimejinky99 wrote: »

Kurt would vomit on your doubtless ripped up converse if you used that word in the same sentence as his band.

Would that be before or after he ODs?

Ah OD vomit, nasty stuff.

No, they are not the greatest grunge band. Most well known? yes.

dimejinky99

Most well known deffo.
Pearl Jam are Seattle and Americas last great rock band.

end thread for real.

Catari Jaguar

louisa200 wrote: »

mmmm the band foo fighter before they knew what a power cord was... or kurt cobain who indeed was nirvana, dated, loud, to the point, how and ever, mainstream and obviously no longevity, pain honesty(what does that mean) a small moment in musical history time.... nothing really except cash and.. welll stiched shut eyes during a wake which will keep the beats rolling, tho defo not the eyes rolling x xxx

(foo fighters rest my case).................

What? What are you talking about???!

endasmail

a lot of the rip off bands did (nickleback, creed, stone temple pilots to a lesser dgree) but none of the northwestern bands did.


can ya explain that statement?
seen as CORE was released in 1992 i think and NEVERMIND was released 1993
how do ya reckon they were a rip?

dimejinky99

Well STP are a Pj rip, lets be honest, I like them but they were aping Seattle with Core. they found their own feet with Purple and Tiny Music particularly. Good band..

Ps-Nirvana don't come into the rip off thing..(other than they were ripped off they themselves ripping the pixies and the beatles off but thats academic)

bigeasyeah

Class band,prob the best of all that stuff but a was always turned off from them by their angsty fans.

bigeasyeah

oh and another thing the whole ripoff thing will never hold water.I hate the whole 'my fave band is better than your fave band' crap.grow up.

endasmail

IMO Core was and is their best album,apart from the vocals i dont see any other similarities

endasmail

bigeasyeah wrote: »

oh and another thing the whole ripoff thing will never hold water.I hate the whole 'my fave band is better than your fave band' crap.grow up.

what ya on about??????
its called debating ,no ones getting into that side of it

dimejinky99

Nobody said better, they just got signed cos they sounded like a music scene a thousand miles away STP were from San Diego. Theyre earlier version was a hair metal cock rock bit, something theyve been at pains to hide by the way.
I like them, seen them play twice, but definitely a sound alike to begin with. they did find their own way musically though.

dimejinky99

And by the way ill take STP ANYDAY over Creed or Nickleback!! jesus those bands are horrible.

endasmail

seen them in the SFX in 93??
brilliant concert

dimejinky99

STP?
yeah that was the one Vasoline for the opener..kick ass gig

endasmail

dimejinky99 wrote: »

And by the way ill take STP ANYDAY over Creed or Nickleback!! jesus those bands are horrible.

never heard creed
nickelback have 2 songs i like

endasmail

dimejinky99 wrote: »

STP?
yeah that was the one Vasoline for the opener..kick ass gig

yea thats the one ,still have the ticket stubb floating around hear somewhere

dimejinky99

Me too
ive got ticket number 1 for Foo Fighters first gig in Ireland in that same room..they did 2 nights..sfx was a deadly venue..
Pearl jam had it on their schedule for 92 but it got cancelled cos eddie had a melt down..ragin to this day so i am.

endasmail

dimejinky99 wrote: »

Me too
ive got ticket number 1 for Foo Fighters first gig in Ireland in that same room..they did 2 nights..sfx was a deadly venue..
Pearl jam had it on their schedule for 92 but it got cancelled cos eddie had a melt down..ragin to this day so i am.

was at that as well
met the support act Fluffy????a blonde singer,think they were all blonde?
cant remember if it was the first or second night though
its a shame that place shut up shop

dimejinky99

deadly venue..TOOL were amazing there too..as were Pumpkins..Chili Peppers did it in 92 with Rollins band supporting..didnt get to see that..

siltirocker

endasmail wrote: »

seen as CORE was released in 1992 i think and NEVERMIND was released 1993
how do ya reckon they were a rip?

Nevermind was released in 1991.

Sit down and listen to Pearl Jam's back catalogue and Nirvana's back catalogue. If you believe after this that Nirvana are the best grunge band, IMO you must of prefered The Monkees to The Beatles.

I do love Nirvana, i really do. But if you took Nevermind out of the occasion, Nirvana is nothing (not saying the rest is utter ****, but its not stunning stuff tbh!) You can take Ten from Pearl Jam or BadMotorFinger from Soundgarden and they'd still have a catalogue of awesome-ness. Catch my drift.

Cobain's anti-commercial stance was a bit ****ed too seeing as they were the NO. 1 most commercial Seattle band, even though they weren't the biggest.

dimejinky99

They were/are the biggest, they are most definitely not the best. Nor would they have been had they hung around I dont think. Green day come to mind..endlessly repeating themselves. Nirvana would have done this or become a weird sonic youth wanna be noise band.

siltirocker

dimejinky99 wrote: »

They were/are the biggest, they are most definitely not the best. Nor would they have been had they hung around I dont think. Green day come to mind..endlessly repeating themselves. Nirvana would have done this or become a weird sonic youth wanna be noise band.

No they weren't dude. Pearl Jam have out sold them since '93.

dimejinky99

Perhaps, my point was biggest rarely equates better. It does in this instance but johnny 17 year old Nirvana fan nowadays thinks they were best and its not the case.

I'd just love everyone to see Pearl jam play just one time..thatd change their outlook on a lotta things musically.

qwertplaywert

dimejinky99 wrote: »

Green day come to mind..endlessly repeating themselves.

I'd hardly say thats far. While Green Days material has gone very far downhill from the Dookie days, they have clearly changed their sound.

triv88

siltirocker wrote: »

Nevermind was released in 1991.


I do love Nirvana, i really do. But if you took Nevermind out of the occasion, Nirvana is nothing .

Wow,You never heard of "In Utero",the follow up to "nevermind" .... "all apologies" "dumb" "very ape" "heartshaped box".....That was Nirvanas attempt at making an anti commericial album to negate the "commericial success" of "nevermind" which they never wanted,to give the fingers up to people who got swept up in the media scrum of "nirvana will never make a popular record again" or "if you took Nevermind out of the occasion, Nirvana is nothing" type sweeping statements

If you listen to "in Utero" or read reviews for this album your opinion may differ

anti-venom

Iolar wrote: »

The greatest Grunge band ever?discuss

Nah! Why would you want to pigeonhole Nirvana with such a restrictive and limiting bull**** term like 'Grunge'? They were one of the best ROCK bands of all time imo. Cobain had no equals in that scene; too talented for that.

nyarlothothep

yes, but only because I prefer them to all other grunge bands

siltirocker

triv88 wrote: »

Wow,You never heard of "In Utero",the follow up to "nevermind" .... "all apologies" "dumb" "very ape" "heartshaped box".....That was Nirvanas attempt at making an anti commericial album to negate the "commericial success" of "nevermind" which they never wanted,to give the fingers up to people who got swept up in the media scrum of "nirvana will never make a popular record again" or "if you took Nevermind out of the occasion, Nirvana is nothing" type sweeping statements

If you listen to "in Utero" or read reviews for this album your opinion may differ

Read reviews? Dude the only review you should read is the one's in the back of your head. Not that that's neither here nor there.

In Utero is a great album it really is, but it is not a patch on what the other major grunge band were releasing n '93/'94. Pearl Jam's Vs. , Soundgarden's Superunknown, Alice In Chains' Dirt.

As regards the statment in bold. Im going to have to staight-up disagree with you there. Just cause Cobain said it doesn't mean it was true, even Grohl has spoken negatively about Cobain on that subject. Single after single, Music video after music video, extended MTV unplugged set, first grunge band with a major label, first grunge band with a VHS release.:o You wouldn't find Pearl Jam or Mudhoney doing any of that stuff. First with a merchandise mailing list, last with an independent owned fan-club/mail-list.

Catari Jaguar

triv88 wrote: »

Wow,You never heard of "In Utero",the follow up to "nevermind" .... "all apologies" "dumb" "very ape" "heartshaped box".....That was Nirvanas attempt at making an anti commericial album to negate the "commericial success" of "nevermind" which they never wanted,to give the fingers up to people who got swept up in the media scrum of "nirvana will never make a popular record again" or "if you took Nevermind out of the occasion, Nirvana is nothing" type sweeping statements

If you listen to "in Utero" or read reviews for this album your opinion may differ

Couldn't agree more. Came on to post that In Utero is way better than Nevermind. Kids today eh?.. Broaden yizzer musical horizons!


Sad too that the band are best known for "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Kurt made that as the "ultimate pop song". It definitely was but became so popular it screwed up their credibility in the long run.

Catari Jaguar

siltirocker wrote: »

Just cause Cobain said it doesn't mean it was true, even Grohl has spoken negatively about Cobain on that subject. Single after single, Music video after music video, extended MTV unplugged set, first grunge band with a major label, first grunge band with a VHS release.:o You wouldn't find Pearl Jam or Mudhoney doing any of that stuff. First with a merchandise mailing list, last with an independent owned fan-club/mail-list.

Yes, they're commercial. That's been said all through the thread. If they didn't release such a poppy record like Nevermind then they wouldn't have been so crazy popular and "in" and the demand wouldn't have been there for all that. In 1993/1994 Kurt was so off his tits and OD'ing every 5 seconds that I doubt he had much input into anything...

Unplugged, imo, is amazing (one of the best albums ever) and fair fcuks to them for making it. Proves their worth as a band.

I wish people on this forum would stop equalling musical greatness to popularity, tickets sold, t-shirts sold, albums sold, mosts threads written about them etc.

Yes, Nirvana are a great grunge band, as are AIC, Pearl Jam and others listed here. Good songs, bad songs, mistakes, sell out tendencies blah blah. It's all opinion and taste in the end.

Would Nirvana be so successful today if Kurt Cobain hadn't died suddenly at the peak of his career? Maybe that's the question to "discuss"...

Johnny Giles

Nothing to discuss. I feel Nirvana only helped inflict further damage on young people.

7 Year Bitch were better.

o1s1n

Johnny Giles wrote: »

Nothing to discuss. I feel Nirvana only helped inflict further damage on young people.

7 Year Bitch were better.

What kind of damage? The 'OMFG THINK OF THE CHILDERS!!! THIS SAYTANIC MUSIX CORRUPTS DER MINDS!!!'

OR

young impressionable youths listening to crap music and forming misguided opinions?

Johnny Giles

The kid shot himself in the face?

Bob the Seducer

endasmail wrote: »

can ya explain that statement?
seen as CORE was released in 1992 i think and NEVERMIND was released 1993
how do ya reckon they were a rip?

I think you're getting your Nirvana albums mixed up, In Utero came out in 93, Nevermind was 91 (and as a slight aside, Nirvana's first album, Bleach came out in 1989)
I've nothing bad to say about STP, I like some of their stuff too, I definitely wouldn't include them with the likes of Bush, Creed, Nickelback...

Catari Jaguar

Johnny Giles wrote: »

The kid shot himself in the face?

Possibly... How he managed to lift never mind aim a shotgun with that amount of opiates in his system I'll never know.

He was a depressed and troubled man. If anything he serves as a poster boy to encourage young kids to get help with depression/ suicidal thoughts/ drug abuse.

symbolic

Grunge... love it!

Just my two cents...

It doesn't bother me that the average guy on the street thinks Grunge = Nirvana.. but it always baffles me when people who have the chance to listen to the likes of Alice In Chains' Dirt and their MTV Unplugged offering that they would still rate Nirvana so highly. But i guess that's what makes the world go round!

But anyway, I beg you, immerse yourself in Alice In Chains, if you haven't already tried! (but then that's probably me just thinking I know best)

Maybe we should just change this into a recommend a Grunge band thread, it may be more productive.

Green River...anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8l3-mGeSg

siltirocker

symbolic wrote: »

Grunge... love it!

Just my two cents...

It doesn't bother me that the average guy on the street thinks Grunge = Nirvana.. but it always baffles me when people who have the chance to listen to the likes of Alice In Chains' Dirt and their MTV Unplugged offering that they would still rate Nirvana so highly. But i guess that's what makes the world go round!

But anyway, I beg you, immerse yourself in Alice In Chains, if you haven't already tried! (but then that's probably me just thinking I know best)

Maybe we should just change this into a recommend a Grunge band thread, it may be more productive.

Green River...anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8l3-mGeSg

The originals!!! The King Stone Gossard, the punk Mark Arm, the MAN Stevie Turner, the groover Jeff Ament and, , ,eh, , , the other two.

siltirocker

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Yes, they're commercial. That's been said all through the thread. If they didn't release such a poppy record like Nevermind then they wouldn't have been so crazy popular and "in" and the demand wouldn't have been there for all that. In 1993/1994 Kurt was so off his tits and OD'ing every 5 seconds that I doubt he had much input into anything...

Unplugged, imo, is amazing (one of the best albums ever) and fair fcuks to them for making it. Proves their worth as a band.

I wish people on this forum would stop equalling musical greatness to popularity, tickets sold, t-shirts sold, albums sold, mosts threads written about them etc.

Yes, Nirvana are a great grunge band, as are AIC, Pearl Jam and others listed here. Good songs, bad songs, mistakes, sell out tendencies blah blah. It's all opinion and taste in the end.

Would Nirvana be so successful today if Kurt Cobain hadn't died suddenly at the peak of his career? Maybe that's the question to "discuss"...

Dude, i've haven't ragged on the quality of the stuff. Just the previous poster's 'Nirvana anti-commercial' stance.

As regards the statment in bold i doubt it. They weren't selling out venues anymore, Cobain was in bits, etc. Michael Stipe, Grohl and Smear all have said they assumed Nirvana was done after the next tour. Nirvana have sold more since Cobain died too.I don't reckon they would have, i think they would of went a bit how Alice In Chains went in the mid/late 90's IMO.

stateofflux

i don't think you can say that any one band was 'the best' grunge band....grunge was a record industry label to market and categorize early 90's alternative music....to increase cd sales...

a lot of of the bigger bands were coming from completely different influences....you can't compare nirvana and pearl jam.....one comes from late 70's punk and early u.s. hardcore the other comes from more classic hard rock rock and blues artists like SRV, doors, hendrix ....etc...i think all the top bands had amazing stuff....nirvana, alice in chains, sound garden, pearl jam etc

i agree with the comments on stone temple pilots ...their first album was very derivative.....but their second album purple really showed something individual and frankly kicks ass.....

Grunge was an amazing time for music......something like that probably won't come around again...i hope it does tho....cos their ain't no scene today.....everyone wants to copy rather than create......

Patricide

Nirvana were a fantastic band. A lot of people will disregard them for many reasons. Such as Kurt's suicide, claiming its the only thing there remembered for other than teen spirit. Another reason there disregarded is that a lot of people would have listened to them when getting into music and are therefore at this stage sick to the teeth of them and moved on from them.

Although I think there a great band, I certainly wouldn't call them the best grunge band. For one thing there will never be a definitive best but for another I see Nirvana as more of a heavy dirty pop band than anything else. When you actually go through there songs there very accessible, memorable and they have a LOAD of hooks. I dunno about anyone else but to me when you take away the distortion there defiantly not your traditional grunge or even rock band.