Co-worker constantly in late

fret_wimp

Work in the company im currently employed in starts at 9 AM. On my team there is a co-worker who is always at least 1 hour late.

After about 6 months, this got to me so i complained to my manager. Instead of confronting the worker, he sent a blanket mail to the whole dept asking everyone to be in by 9AM. This worked for about a week but now, 2 months on, the co-worker is back at it again. in at 10, and leaving 30 mins before finish time.

I again brought it up with my manager, but he seems thoroughly afraid of confronting the worker.

Are my only options to take it to his manager, or HR? I dont want to create enemies, but am sick of working more hours than this person, managment knowing about it, but refusing to deal with it.

Enii

Are you this person's manager? If not, it is not in your remit to be looking out for what time they get in and start work at.

Did your manager ever ask you to check up on this person and keep an eye on what time they are reporting for work at? If not, why are your doing this?

In work, you are responsible for yourself. You are not responsible for your co-workers.

You have brought the matter to your manager. Leave it at this.

fret_wimp

I understand your point completely, but this is directly affecting me as i have to pick up the slack. Managment are completely happy to let this go on as they want a quiet life and as long as the work gets done they dont care who does it or who comes in on time or not.

This is why i want to get thsi addressed. direct manager knows and is doing nothing, is it time to bring the matter higher?

goodlad

You might run the risk of getting yourself in trouble.
If your manager knows about it and doesnt care then you could be seen as the only person causing trouble.

If you go over your managers head to his boss, what do you think is going to happen?

A) That higher up manager wont care
That higher up manager will care, will give you boss **** for not sorting the problem.

If A happens, then you are back to square one.
If B happens, then your manager is gonna be annoyed at you.

I think you should just bite your lip and forget it.

fret_wimp

or start comming in late at 10! as they dont care about other workers doing it, why should i pick up the slack!

an extra hour in bed in the morning would be nice!!

goodlad

fret_wimp wrote: »

or start comming in late at 10! as they dont care about other workers doing it, why should i pick up the slack!

an extra hour in bed in the morning would be nice!!

So your answer is to give other people even more work to do by joining in the slacking?

They your just as bad as the other guy.

And if your boss gave you crap for coming in late, what would your defense be?

"That other guy does it so im doing it too"?

You cant really do anything good for yourself in this situation other than ignore it and just do your work.

Zulu

I would have though the obviuos solution would be just to make note of it and any extra "slack" you've to make up.
Then when it come to proformance appraisals, you declare you wish an increment/bonus/reward to reward you for the extra "slack" you are making up. If there is no increment/bonus/reward stop covering for the person.

fret_wimp

I dont buy your logic. Someone is wasting time and money, but i have to pay for it, and i cant do anything about it except suck it up? Thats too defeatist for my tastes.

Zulu

No, you show that you are mature enough to see the bigger picture and are willing to help the company as a whole, ie: play the long game. ie: promotions & salary increments.

Actually, hang on a minute...

...are you working in the private sector?

Goduznt Xzst

Some people will always push to find the acceptable limits in a job. This person gets an extra 30 hours free time a month compared to you.

The only reason he is getting away with it is because your lax middle management finds 1 person coming in late frequently not that big of an issue.

I've done it, I've come in late and left early, even when the CEO was in the room whereas everyone else worked late out of some fear of being seen to leave. The reason I got away with it was there was a bunch of poor sods that would always come in an hour early, eat dinner in work, then take calls from the managers to do work on the weekends from home even though our salary was set. There will always be givers and takers. Don't become a giver. If you are working for a paycheck you won't look back on your life and appreciate all those extra hours you worked for some manager you haven't seen in 40 years.

Those poor sobs feathered my nest. I knew if that broke down that I would no longer be able to maintain my daily hours.

So here is how you break down this persons ability to come in late.

Come in late, but come in 10 minutes earlier than this person does. Don't sneak in, make noise like you would if you where in early. Do it until a manager speaks to you about it. If the manager has to speak to you, he will also have to speak to the other guy also. Chances are he will be more annoyed from having to speak to you. If you can, get another work mate to start coming in late, but make him come in 10 minutes earlier than you, then try and get someone else to come in 10 minutes earlier than him... etc.

The more people your manager has to speak to, the more angry he will get at the latest person. Eventually, he will start instituting some sort of punishment, like docked wages... or something else, who knows what goes on in the heads of middle management.

Once this guy feels like all eyes are on him and that people are noticing his tardiness he will quickly put an end to it, or quit, or get fired... whatever, it will solve your problem.

tatli_lokma

do you know the latecomers personal circumstances? What I mean by this, is do you know of any reason why they are being given special treatment? Perhaps there is a reason why they need to come in late and leave early, and your manager may be aware of this and is accommodating them. Are you also certain that they get the same wage as you?
If you don't know the answer to these questions, they you probably should stay quiet. There may be a valid reason why the person comes in late which is no business of yours.

If however there is no reason for their lateness, and they get paid the same, then my suggestion would be that rather than 'pick up the slack' you do what you would do if they were there. i.e do your own work and no more. If the manager sees that work is being left undone or whatever due to this persons lateness then they may actually do something.

Also to add, you are assuming that your manager sees you and this other person as of equal value and the other person is getting away with more. Perhaps they are there less hours but do more than you realise? perhaps your employer is not overly impressed with you, so your complaining about another member of staff is not taken seriously?

You can do something, but you need to be careful not to be seen as petty or nit picking.

McSpud

fret_wimp wrote: »

I understand your point completely, but this is directly affecting me as i have to pick up the slack. Managment are completely happy to let this go on as they want a quiet life and as long as the work gets done they don't care who does it or who comes in on time or not.

This reflects very badly on your manager as he/she did not notice it originally & now not even bothered to solve it. If the person in question was being given special dispensation I guess the manager would have mentioned this already.

I think very difficult to go above your manager in reporting this. Maybe you can have one last talk with manager & stress how it is directly affecting you? If that fails you will have to indirectly make higher management aware but that is always difficult to carry off successfully.

I used to work with some who did a 3 day week & spent most of her time on the phone. It wasn't so much the long phone conversations but the fact she sat close to be & was annoying when I was very busy. Had to raise with my manager eventually but can't remember if that solved it entirely.

I think management failure to distribute work across the team or office is the biggest cause of strife at work.

fret_wimp

do you know the latecomers personal circumstances?

Yes, they live an hours drive away and blame the lateness on traffic mostly.

Are you also certain that they get the same wage as you?

Certain to within 2-3k

my suggestion would be that rather than 'pick up the slack' you do what you would do if they were there. i.e do your own work and no more

This is not possible. all work comes into a queueing system. We all take an item or two at a time, action it and move on to the next one in the queue. it ends up that I action way more items.


Im not the only one to notice this. another team member, who is not managment, but higher up than i am, and on a lot more money than myself or the offending person has also noticed this, and has also complained. his complaints have also been fruitless.

GERMAN ROCKS

id say the best thing is mind your own business tbh.

newbie2

Your co-workers are idiots
Your Boss is incompetent
You're under-appreciated
You're underpaid

Welcome to the world of full time employment.

BTW mind your own business. Just do your own job adn it'll all work out in the end.

dh0661

Zulu wrote: »

Actually, hang on a minute...

...are you working in the private sector?

I was wondering this also - OP can you answer please, you seem to have answered all other questions except this one.

Mrs OBumble

If it's causing you this much distress, either find a new company to work for, or get yourself promoted to management so it's your problem to sort out - and you may find that it's harder than you think to sort it!

Other than that, your best bet is some sort of informal way of highlighting the problem so it's obvious to your manager's manager, without it looking like you who's done it.

Maybe tell HR that you're keen to monitor your own performance, and would it be possible to get some sort of graphs of number of jobs completed per person? I'm not sure that this will work exactly - but what you're looking for is something that doesn't make you look like a whinger.

mikemac

It's almost December, will you be doing an annual appraisal with your boss?
This is when you mention it. Don't mention the lateness but do mention the extra work you are doing every morning and seek credit for it!

If it gets you nowhere, then I don't know. Work to rule

Jo King

The best thing to do is get together with a few co-workers and have bells and sirens and whistles ready. Every time this co-worker comes in late, make an enormous racket, which can be heard by as many people as possible. Shout loudly to the co-worker "thank god you are saved. we thought you were lost". After a few repeats the problem will come to an end.

ButcherOfNog

fret_wimp, your manager is not going to discuss other members of staff with you. Nor what actions might be going on behind the scenes regarding timekeeping. That blanket email would be the first step to show timekeeping issues were being noticed, after that it would be 1st, 2nd warnings etc, which may well be going on but you'd know nothing about those, as they do not concern you.

Approaching the problem in an unprofessional way (as some above have suggested) is not going to gain you anything. You've pointed it out once to your manager, leave it at that. Keep doing your own job well, and putting in extra effort, if in the end you don't get rewarded for it, look to move elsewhere when the upturn in the economy starts, knowing that you'll be sorely missed once you leave.

Wishbone Ash

Cincikchick wrote: »

do you know the latecomers personal circumstances? What I mean by this, is do you know of any reason why they are being given special treatment?

I used to be a bit annoyed about a co-worked who used to saunter in late and leave early.

Years later I discovered that he was the only employee who officially worked flexi hours and was on a 33 hour week!

donglen

You've been through the motions of trying to get it addressed in a professional manner and it hasn't worked....... so either forget about it or bring it down to a more juvenile level. When the slacker saunters in at 10am make sure you hail him in a loud voice so the whole office will hear, "Good Afternoon John, where are we going for lunch?". When he's leaving earlier than everyone else, again ensure the whole office takes notice, "Half-day today John?".
At the very least this will get more people to take notice and commenting on it, which will put the manager under pressure to deal with it. Or if the latecomer has any decency you will embarass him into changing his ways.
You need to be persistent with this though...........let him have it every time.

fret_wimp

dh0661 wrote: »

I was wondering this also - OP can you answer please, you seem to have answered all other questions except this one.

what difference does it make where i work( private or public). this behavior is inacceptable in either sector. Please dont turn this into a bashing of the public sector as this is not what the thread is about.

I work in the private sector for a large multinational, for all the difference it makes.

dh0661

fret_wimp wrote: »

what difference does it make where i work( private or public). this behavior is inacceptable in either sector. Please dont turn this into a bashing of the public sector as this is not what the thread is about.

I work in the private sector for a large multinational, for all the difference it makes.

IMO it makes alot of difference! - the attitude your manager has taken seems to be totally out of line for private sector and exactly what I would expect from

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Your colleague must have some flexi time arrangement.

The Big Red Button

God ... just go in, do your own work, don't worry about how much or how little anyone else is doing!

If it ends up that you "action" more "items" than this person, then the managers will probably notice that, for all the good it'll do you.

In my opinion you're being incredibly petty about this. And apart from anything else, as others have said, there could be extenuating circumstances involved which you know nothing about (and rightly so.)

Just let it go. As long as you can leave work in the evening knowing that you have done a decent day's work and earned your days wages, surely it shouldn't matter to you what other people are/aren't doing?

thebouldwhacker

Holy carp, this thread is unbelievable, the op asked a pretty straight forward question and the answers received have ranged from

• op, mind your business and do your work
• your over reacting
• do you work public or private

Only two responses I have read aren't projecting some kind of internal angst.
OP, I think your post is very legitimate and is a real concern. This person is part of your team and this team member is not pulling their weight. You are not being rewarded or compensated for the extra work therefore it is unfair and is a cause of stress at some level.

My 2cents; Your manager is a bad manager and obviously is unable to manage effectively. This happens, going over their head for an issue like this isnt really an option so instead of giving your trust to this person you need to understand that you can simply ignore this imp and resolve the issue yourself. Its called a conversation, people have been resolving problems through this revolutionary method for hundreds of thousands of years.
Step1; decide whether to involve your co team members, depending on how appropriate it would be.

Step2; pick a good time, this should be done without an audience

Step3; keep it to the level it is, your not saying they are a bad person, a child molester, a sex pest your simply saying 'because your always late I have to do your work, its not fair and I want it to stop etc'. You are not disciplining them, you are talking worker to worker, nothing more nothing less

Step4; keep it friendly, if they start getting agitated or angry, stop. No need for confrontation, however if there is an explanation you will get it here.

Step5; Remember, regardless, people like that person will reach a level in their life, live and die there... if you keep your faith people reap their just deserts, if there is a promotion you will be ahead of them, if there are redundancies you will be safer etc

Tbh if you feel that you can not resolve something like this in your workplace its a serious situation, feeling so disempowered at work is very unhealthy and you are entitled to a safe, non threatening work place. You are not asking someone to change their behaviour to suit your wants, all you want is a co worker to turn up on time so you are not doing their work on top of your own

Also in 5 years time you will be happier for dealing with this issue than following advise such as 'leave it alone and do not address the issue'.

As for those media sheep who wanted to know if you were public or private, grow up, I have worked in both from front line to management and the only difference between the staff is found in the individuals themselves.

Op, best of luck and never feel afraid to stand up for yourself, that is the difference between being a strong individual and a worker drone sheep...
Sorry for the long post but issues like this really get to me, its the difference between you enjoying your job or not and can be easily resolved.

Raiser

fret_wimp wrote: »

what difference does it make where i work( private or public). this behavior is inacceptable in either sector. Please dont turn this into a bashing of the public sector as this is not what the thread is about.

I work in the private sector for a large multinational, for all the difference it makes.

If its green and it grows outside its grass.

If its wet and falls from the sky its rain.

If it has magnitude and direction its a vector

a n d

If unbelievably incompetent its the Public Sector.

- Your reply was so transparent Fret, anyway the whole lot stinks of Grades, duties, faffing, waffling, filing projects with assistants and 3 hour lunch breaks.

There are very few Managers in the Private sector that would allow anyone 60 minutes off in the morning and a further 30 in the evening? 7.5 hours off each 5 days???? Thats a day off every week!!!!!

Ye work for Mary Harney ordering Domestos for the HSE don't ye?

Any openings available? - the Managerial role their sounds like Heaven - That dope needs to learn to the value of the Taxpayers money.

Why don't you report all the stuff to the Irish Times or some other Newspaper anonymously, just jot it all down over a month or two, stuff it in an evelope and send it via registered post to:

Geraldine Kennedy
Editor - The Irish Times
24–28 Tara Street
Dublin.


- We'd all be very grateful.

thebouldwhacker

What has that or your 'poem' got to do with this thread?

Bandit12

fret_wimp wrote: »

Work in the company im currently employed in starts at 9 AM. On my team there is a co-worker who is always at least 1 hour late.

After about 6 months, this got to me so i complained to my manager. Instead of confronting the worker, he sent a blanket mail to the whole dept asking everyone to be in by 9AM. This worked for about a week but now, 2 months on, the co-worker is back at it again. in at 10, and leaving 30 mins before finish time.

I again brought it up with my manager, but he seems thoroughly afraid of confronting the worker.

Are my only options to take it to his manager, or HR? I dont want to create enemies, but am sick of working more hours than this person, managment knowing about it, but refusing to deal with it.

It's none of your business. Get on with your own job.

Lab_Mouse

As a poster above said make a show of him every time he comes in late(if in dublin ask him does he have the evening herald:D)make a show of him till either he gives a genuine reason(flexi time,sick relation )or till he gets the message.

Tbh cant see a manager letting anyone away with an 1.5 hours a day though unless there is something you dont know.Its 1 thing if it was happening once in a blue moon but if its that regular its fishy

messrs

OP i understand where your coming from, in my dept my self and 2 of my collagues all make it in for 8.30am and the third memeber of our team, stolls in after 9am every day -and it is noticed but nothign seems to be done about it, i understand how frustrating it is , if any of the rest of us are even 10 mins late we get pulled in and get grief and are told to work it back on our lunch (which would be fair enough if that was the case for everyone) im biding my time for now (as are my other team members) and when we get called for our dept review with HR we will raise the issue then - dont know if it will get us anywhere but at least it wil be noted how we feel about it!

Kipperhell

OP
The chain of command is important in every job. The manger being told is really all you can do. If you have a HR person you may be able to go to them but that is effectively telling the manager twice. If their is a separate HR meeting normally scheduled you may have general cover that anybody could have siad it.

It is frustrating but their really is nothing you can do. Watch somebody else's work is not a healthy or productive activity if you are on the same level.

On a side note I have seen people do extra hours every day and when you don't do them people get annoyed in the team. I can't see how he doesn't know he is annoying the rest of the team. I have also seen people suddenly fired over habitual lateness with what seemed like little warning to other people.

Nobody really likes people who tell on others as it tends to seem petty rather than conciousness. Look after your self as that can be seen as non-team member thing to do.

fret_wimp

Raiser wrote: »

If its green and it grows outside its grass.

If its wet and falls from the sky its rain.

If it has magnitude and direction its a vector

a n d

If unbelievably incompetent its the Public Sector.

- Your reply was so transparent Fret, anyway the whole lot stinks of Grades, duties, faffing, waffling, filing projects with assistants and 3 hour lunch breaks.

There are very few Managers in the Private sector that would allow anyone 60 minutes off in the morning and a further 30 in the evening? 7.5 hours off each 5 days???? Thats a day off every week!!!!!

Ye work for Mary Harney ordering Domestos for the HSE don't ye?

Any openings available? - the Managerial role their sounds like Heaven - That dope needs to learn to the value of the Taxpayers money.

Why don't you report all the stuff to the Irish Times or some other Newspaper anonymously, just jot it all down over a month or two, stuff it in an evelope and send it via registered post to:

Geraldine Kennedy
Editor - The Irish Times
24–28 Tara Street
Dublin.

- We'd all be very grateful.

So im a liar? Look, believe what you will. I work for a large multinational company in the private sector. not public...private. let me say that again. private sector..thats right...private sector.

Yes, you are right on one thing though, its supprizing that someone can get away with this in the private sector. it all comes down to bad managment really.

Im not asking anyone to do extra effort, or kill themselves. i dont think its much to ask to have everyone do the job they are paid for. and, again i KNOW there is no arrangment for this person to be alowed to do less hours than anyone else.

Now lets finish with the point of this post, directed only at Raiser...Private sector, yes yes..private sector.

Kipperhell

fret_wimp wrote: »

So im a liar? Look, believe what you will. I work for a large multinational company in the private sector. not public...private. let me say that again. private sector..thats right...private sector.

Now lets finish with the point of this post, directed only at Raiser...Private sector, yes yes..private sector.

This really makes you come across in a way that I would think management would think of you as "high maintenance" . The signs of not being a team player are in your posts. I am not even saying you are right or wrong but I would suspect you are going to handle this badly and probably do yourself more harm than good.

If you can't suck this up and do your job with out focusing on other workers you are going to get in trouble or cause it. If you are seething every time this guy comes in late you will eventually explode. Your job now has a new task that was never on your job description which means you must learn to accept management decisions. Do you think you can do that?

ToxicPaddy

I havent had time to read all comments so forgive me if I'm repeating what others had said.

OP if I were you I'd do the following:

Come in on time, do your work and leave on time.

Dont go out of your way to pick up the slack, why should you cover for others. If the work coming in a queuing system, then you do your regular days work then pack your bag, put on your coat and leave.

Sitting there stewing over the other employees actions is pointless.. the only person you're stressing out is yourself as the the others including your manager dont seem to care so why should you.

If a backlog builds up so be it, you've been coming in on time, doing your work and leaving at the correct time so they have no come back on you. If they start to examine why the backlog exists, then they should see that your co-worker isnt pulling his weight and he should reprimanded accordingly.

Complaining, throwing hissy fits and pissing others off around you will only make you the target and detract the attention from the co-worker who is slacking off..

Thats my 2c.

Tox

parsi

Raiser wrote: »

[Drivel.

I know it's hard for those who only think whatever the RedTop is telling them to think on any particular day but if you'd poked around a bit you'd see that the OP is in the private sector..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61696174#post61696174

Sometimes facts do come in the way of a good story.

dixiefly

dh0661 wrote: »

IMO it makes alot of difference! - the attitude your manager has taken seems to be totally out of line for private sector and exactly what I would expect from

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.Your colleague must have some flexi time arrangement.

Bull****, absolute bull****.

I worked for many years in the private sector and in some very competitive industries. I took over dual managerial roles on several occasions and have been told by more than one person replacing me that I was crazily overworked.

I can tell you that this behaviour is not at all out of line for the private sector. In fact I have probably seen more incidents of people taking the p*ss like this (and worse) in the private sector than in the public sector.

dixiefly

Raiser wrote: »

If its green and it grows outside its grass.

If its wet and falls from the sky its rain.

If it has magnitude and direction its a vector

a n d

If unbelievably incompetent its the Public Sector.

- Your reply was so transparent Fret, anyway the whole lot stinks of Grades, duties, faffing, waffling, filing projects with assistants and 3 hour lunch breaks.

I]

As stated above, I have worked in both Private and Public sectors and have seen more skiving, late arrivals and downright refusal to do anything outside the agreed norm in the private sector. And might I add more bullying too. That said I wouldnt swap my times in the private sector for anything as I got a lot of great experiences, worked on interesting projectsn & met great people etc in it.

As (sensible) people have pointed out on here in the past, there are good and bad employees in both sectors just as there are good and bad managers. I think that there are more bullies in the private sector and have witnessed several people get the brunt of that.

From the statements made above I reckon that you either have very limited and restricted experience or that you believe everything you read / hear as fact no matter what agenda is behind it.

jimoc

If this was me (me being a snaeky person ) I would organise it so that each morning you get to say to the manager, 'X was working on that issue but he's late this morning' or 'I would ask X but he's not in yet'

That way the manager gets to be made very aware that the person is habitually late.

And as other posters have said, do your own workload, clear your own issues and if a backlog develops, suggest to management that they create a worklog of when all jobs were started/finished and when communications were made in respect to the jobs being done.
When they see that this particular person has never done anything before 10 or after 4.30 then the alarm bells should definitely be ringing.

Or another alternative is, when you, him and some other workers are in the canteen, just ask him straight out how he swung it to get on flexi time and shorter hours then everyone else!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Enii wrote: »

Are you this person's manager? If not, it is not in your remit to be looking out for what time they get in and start work at.

Did your manager ever ask you to check up on this person and keep an eye on what time they are reporting for work at? If not, why are your doing this?

In work, you are responsible for yourself. You are not responsible for your co-workers.

You have brought the matter to your manager. Leave it at this.

I guess it's ok for people to turn up late and go home early even if it effects other people? :rolleyes: What a crock of bullsh!t... If somebody in work is doing something that is effecting your work, then do something about it. It's only fair.

Mrs OBumble

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

As a poster above said make a show of him every time he comes in late(if in dublin ask him does he have the evening herald:D)make a show of him till either he gives a genuine reason(flexi time,sick relation )or till he gets the message.

That sounds like a great way to get yourself a warning for bullying a colleague.

OP, you know very little about this person. Perhaps he's on flexi-time. Perhaps he gets paid for less hours a week than you. Perhaps he's got a medical certificate explaining this. Perhaps he does other stuff for the company that you know nothing about.

Perhaps the manager is in the process of performance-managing him out (and if that's the case, YOU could scr&w the whole thing up if you start harassing him now).

All sorts of things.

When you start getting a manager's salary and access to personnel information, you should start doing the manager's job.

In the meantime, focus on your own job.

Joeyjoejoe43

OP, in all fairness, would ya mind your own business, do the job YOU'RE paid for and let everyone else look after themselves. What age are you 12?

Joeyjoejoe43

JustMary wrote: »

When you start getting a manager's salary and access to personnel information, you should start doing the manager's job.

In the meantime, focus on your own job.

Exactly

DOC09UNAM

Cry me a river.

Get promoted and do something about it.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Joeyjoejoe43 wrote: »

OP, in all fairness, would ya mind your own business, do the job YOU'RE paid for and let everyone else look after themselves. What age are you 12?

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Cry me a river.

Get promoted and do something about it.

Wow, amazingly helpfull stuff there lads... :rolleyes:

Joeyjoejoe43

Kendra Large Haze wrote: »

Wow, amazingly helpfull stuff there lads... :rolleyes:

This is a 'discussion' forum where people give their 'opinions'

IMHO, the OP should mind his/her own business, what other people do/ dont do is not his/her concern. When he/she becomes a manager, that will be her job.

Really cant believe she's gone to her manager about this twice, ya might let me know who you work for OP, so I can remember never to look for a job there..

DOC09UNAM

How about this, Have you tried having the balls to say it to the guy thats coming in late???

Maybe he's working less hours than you, maybe you should inquire before reporting people.

Joeyjoejoe43

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

How about this, Have you tried having the balls to say it to the guy thats coming in late???

Maybe he's working less hours than you, maybe you should inquire before reporting people.

Good point, he could even have a medical condition, family problems or any number of other issues which you dont know about. There again I suppose he should be explaining all this to you, seeing as you like everyone's business to be your own :rolleyes:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Joeyjoejoe43 wrote: »

This is a 'discussion' forum where people give their 'opinions'

IMHO, the OP should mind his/her own business, what other people do/ dont do is not his/her concern. When he/she becomes a manager, that will be her job.

Really cant believe she's gone to her manager about this twice, ya might let me know who you work for OP, so I can remember never to look for a job there..

It seems you read what you wanted to in the Op... I will hightlight the important parts of the OP:

Are my only options to take it to his manager, or HR? I dont want to create enemies, but am sick of working more hours than this person, managment knowing about it, but refusing to deal with it.

The OP came here looking for advice, not scrutiny and bullsh!t opinions on what you think of the OP...

Joeyjoejoe43 wrote: »

Good point, he could even have a medical condition, family problems or any number of other issues which you dont know about. There again I suppose he should be explaining all this to you, seeing as you like everyone's business to be your own :rolleyes:

You mean one of those medical conditions that causes you to be late for work every day and to leave early? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

If any of the above were the case, then why did the manager not just say that they have an agreement which cannot be discussed? If the guy is leaving early, and comming into work late every day, then others will have to work that little bit harder to pick up his slack, yet getting paid the same.

The OP had every right to raise this issue...

frman

How do you know that the manager has not dealt with it.

The co-worker might be late for very personal reasons to which the manager has agreed is acceptable. For all you know, your co-worker might even have taken a reduction in salary to cater for the shortage of hours.

In other words, you have brought it to the attention of the manager, and that is as far as you should bring it. Don't follow it up looking for answers to "what has been done" as it may well be absolutely none of your business.

Joeyjoejoe43

Kendra Large Haze wrote: »

The OP had every right to raise this issue...

She already rasied the point with her manager, Enough done..

How's that job hunt going? I'm sure prospective managers would love someone like you on their team..