24th Nov Strikes... What a joke

sean11

I hear there is a 5 Mile Tailback going into Newry.... Way to get Public Support!!! Have a day off to shop... Cost the Gov more money!!I dont see many picket lines outside schools either!! Laughable!!

Misty Chaos

I've just read on the RTE website they a second strike may take place on the 3rd December! :eek:

Jesus Christ, this is becoming a complete joke.

bobbyjoe

Seen loads of picket lines. Don't know who is going to Newry, jumping to conclusions saying they are PS workers isn't it.

sean11

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Seen loads of picket lines. Don't know who is going to Newry, jumping to conclusions saying they are PS workers isn't it.

Well its a bit of a coincidence isn't it... It was reported on TV3 News.. I drove by 2 schools in Kildare and no Picket.... Fact. :mad:. I wish I was given a day off to go shopping!! :eek:

bobbyjoe

sean11 wrote: »

Well its a bit of a coincidence isn't it... It was reported on TV3 News.. I drove by 2 schools in Kildare and no Picket.... Fact. :mad:. I wish I was given a day off to go shopping!! :eek:

Lots of people took today off cos their kids won't have school. Strikers are obliged to picket.

RobAMerc

sean11 wrote: »

Well its a bit of a coincidence isn't it... It was reported on TV3 News.. I drove by 2 schools in Kildare and no Picket.... Fact. :mad:. I wish I was given a day off to go shopping!! :eek:

it's not a day off - they get docked a days pay for striking you know.

celestialteapot

RobAMerc wrote: »

it's not a day off - they get docked a days pay for striking you know.

Fits my definition for a day off

gandalf

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Lots of people took today off cos their kids won't have school. Strikers are obliged to picket.

Yep thats worse they forced parents to take a day off because they went on strike. So not only did they effect 16000 patients who had their procedures cancelled they inconvienced a large body of parents as well.

bridgitt

sean11 wrote: »

I hear there is a 5 Mile Tailback going into Newry.... Way to get Public Support!!! Have a day off to shop... Cost the Gov more money!!

Enniskillen today too is much busier than normal, long traffic jams with all the public sector people shopping.

Stark

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Lots of people took today off cos their kids won't have school. Strikers are obliged to picket.

ASTI workers aren't: http://www.asti.ie/news/campaigns/november-24th-strike/

kippy

This is ridiculous and in a politics forum as well.
Theres absolutely no proof that this extra traffic in the north is fully made up of Public servants on strike.
Teahers are only picketing certain schools and buildings as far as I am aware but they are picketing. Anyong I know on involved in the action was picketing this morning.
Theres lots of families,people at a lose end due to the strike, whose to say its not those that are off to the North? There may be some public sector guys there on strike but the way rostering works in relation to pickets, they've every right to do what they want with the rest of the day, its no like they are getting paid for it.

diverdriver

Strikers are obliged to picket.

HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Yes they're all out on the picket line, sure they are.:rolleyes:

kippy

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Lots of people took today off cos their kids won't have school. Strikers are obliged to picket.

Strikers are onliged to picket however this is done on a rostering basis usually.

seamus

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Strikers are obliged to picket.

No they're not, they choose to.

prinz

kippy wrote: »

This is ridiculous and in a politics forum as well.

+1. More suited to After Hours I think.

bobbyjoe

diverdriver wrote: »

HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Yes they're all out on the picket line, sure they are.:rolleyes:

There are rules regarding pickets. You can't have everyone there at the same time think its 6 max at a time.

A few calls to Joe Duffy and the agenda for a day can be changed from the fcuk up the Gov has made of the country to attacking PS workers.

Boom Boom

250,000 public sector workers take to the picket lines

400,000 people on the dole (including me)

that 1.6 people for every public servant

If I was a public servant I would keep my head down!!

I personally would happily go through a training scheme to get a pensionable job with flexitime (in certain areas) working for the state rather than be o the dole.

Sizzler

RobAMerc wrote: »

it's not a day off - they get docked a days pay for striking you know.

Seamus posted something in after hours after that, basically said they WILL get paid.

Sizzler

bobbyjoe wrote: »

There are rules regarding pickets. You can't have everyone there at the same time think its 6 max at a time.

A few calls to Joe Duffy and the agenda for a day can be changed from the fcuk up the Gov has made of the country to attacking PS workers.

Thats utter bollox.

I have seen several pickets today with more than 50 people. EG - immigration office on Burgh Quay.

Wheres Begg and O'connor today?

prinz

Boom Boom wrote: »

I personally would happily go through a training scheme to get a pensionable job with flexitime (in certain areas) working for the state rather than be o the dole.

Then why didn't you do that two, three, five years ago?

kippy

Boom Boom wrote: »

250,000 public sector workers take to the picket lines

400,000 people on the dole (including me)

that 1.6 people for every public servant

If I was a public servant I would keep my head down!!

I personally would happily go through a training scheme to get a pensionable job with flexitime (in certain areas) working for the state rather than be o the dole.

Most people who are on the dole would be happy to have a job, whatever the circumstances.

Why would anyone keep their heads down?

kippy

Sizzler wrote: »

Seamus posted something in after hours after that, basically said they WILL get paid.

Not sure who will be getting paid and by whom.....

Unions sometimes have what is called "strike pay" however that is not common as far as I am aware.
Anyone on the picket lines today will not be getting paid by the state. Only right too.

bobbyjoe

Sizzler wrote: »

Thats utter bollox.

I have seen several pickets today with more than 50 people. EG - immigration office on Burgh Quay.

Wheres Begg and O'connor today?

Sorry but its true, large numbers are illegal as they would constitute a mass picket under the provisions of the Industrial Relations Acts.

rainbowtrout

seamus wrote: »

No they're not, they choose to.

No we don't choose. I've just come back from picketing and I'm not surprised to see another public service bashing thread. I'm in the TUI. We are maintaining a picket all day outside the secondary school I work in (8am - 4pm). Our picketing rules state, no mass picketing, only 4-6 people on the picket at a time. I don't know the reason for this specific number. So we have a rota going. Nobody is exempt from picketing in my union unless they have a medical cert. All of our TUI staff did their picket duty today. ASTI (which also has members in my school) staged their pickets around the country from 8.30-10.00am. That's not something I'm in agreement with but I'm not in that union. I don't know much about INTO (primary teachers union) but from what I've heard they were told to go to Dublin today instead of picketing outside their primary schools.

It's a bit rich for people to take a cheap dig at PS workers and just assume everyone headed north today to go shopping. It's not just PS workers that shop in Northern Ireland.

rainbowtrout

kippy wrote: »

Not sure who will be getting paid and by whom.....

Unions sometimes have what is called "strike pay" however that is not common as far as I am aware.
Anyone on the picket lines today will not be getting paid by the state. Only right too.

Sometimes unions do have strike pay. Haven't heard it being mentioned yet though. All of the staff in my school yesterday had to sign a form if they were going on strike saying that they are aware that they will not be paid for the day. We are not getting paid for striking.

Sizzler

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Sorry but its true, large numbers are illegal as they would constitute a mass picket under the provisions of the Industrial Relations Acts.

Grand, so those 50 odd people are in breach of the act? Where do I report them and what will be done?

Nightwish

Strike pay is usually only payable with effect from the third consecutive day of striking, and at that the pay is around €20 per day.

seamus

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Nobody is exempt from picketing in my union unless they have a medical cert.

And what will happen if you don't picket? Nothing. You choose to picket. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

PixelTrawler

RTE, TV3, BBC and Newstalk covered the tailbacks.

Said it was highly unusual for such a volume on a tuesday. Apparently a few were interviewed and said they were off roster on their picket.

Certainly looks bad, even if its only a small number of public sector workers taking the opportunity to head north. Not doing their cause any favours.

Public services were rightly praised for good work with the flooding and this is just destroying whatever goodwill that generated.

Sizzler

rainbowtrout wrote: »

No we don't choose. I've just come back from picketing and I'm not surprised to see another public service bashing thread. I'm in the TUI. We are maintaining a picket all day outside the secondary school I work in (8am - 4pm). Our picketing rules state, no mass picketing, only 4-6 people on the picket at a time. I don't know the reason for this specific number. So we have a rota going. Nobody is exempt from picketing in my union unless they have a medical cert. All of our TUI staff did their picket duty today. ASTI (which also has members in my school) staged their pickets around the country from 8.30-10.00am. That's not something I'm in agreement with but I'm not in that union. I don't know much about INTO (primary teachers union) but from what I've heard they were told to go to Dublin today instead of picketing outside their primary schools.

It's a bit rich for people to take a cheap dig at PS workers and just assume everyone headed north today to go shopping. It's not just PS workers that shop in Northern Ireland.

Out of interest, why exactly are you striking? Seriously?

Sizzler

seamus wrote: »

And what will happen if you don't picket? Nothing.

The unions will expel them.....oh hold on...

bobbyjoe

Sizzler wrote: »

Grand, so those 50 odd people are in breach of the act? Where do I report them and what will be done?

Depends, its six per entrance maybe there are a lot of entrances to that place. You could report them to the Gardai.

jd007

prinz wrote: »

+1. More suited to After Hours I think.

Already is a thread in AH bout it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055749612

rainbowtrout

seamus wrote: »

And what will happen if you don't picket? Nothing. You choose to picket. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

they can be reported to their union branch, fined (I think) and kicked out of the union.

BlaasForRafa

Its absolutely teeming down rain now here, hope the picketers get drenched, it will serve them right.

BlaasForRafa

rainbowtrout wrote: »

they can be reported to their union branch, fined (I think) and kicked out of the union.

yeah right, like Jack O'Conner and the rest of the pampered overpaid leaders of the unions are going to do without peoples union dues, thats gonna happen...

Sizzler

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Depends, its six per entrance maybe there are a lot of entrances to that place. You could report them to the Gardai.

Theres one entrance, the main door onto Burgh Quay.

Report them to the gardai PMSL, sure they are Gardai Some joke.

bridgitt

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Its absolutely teeming down rain now here, hope the picketers get drenched, it will serve them right.

Agreed - I saw one old car driving through a puddle and drenching some picketers today. I am sure many people would love there to be big puddles beside the strikers.

Sizzler

rainbowtrout wrote: »

they can be reported to their union branch, fined (I think) and kicked out of the union.

LOL! As if !

I really really hope Lenihan has the balls to knock the tax relief for union subs on the head in the budget, lets see how many people will stay with them then, given they are moaning about their paycuts now, will they take another hit to fund the likes of Begg and O'Connor on their 150k a year :rolleyes:

seamus

rainbowtrout wrote: »

they can be reported to their union branch, fined (I think) and kicked out of the union.

Can't be fined. They can be expelled, big deal. If the workers who voted against strike action (or didn't vote) all boycotted the picket, there's no way the union would do anything about it.
Even if one person boycotted, I can't see them doing anything.

nesf

Cause one day is never enough: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63167736#post63167736

markfla

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Its absolutely teeming down rain now here, hope the picketers get drenched, it will serve them right.

Cheers I'll tell my pregnant wife who was out pickiting in the rain she has your support. you p r i c k

Jip

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Depends, its six per entrance maybe there are a lot of entrances to that place. You could report them to the Gardai.

Well that's being made a joke of, take a walk around the city centre and you'll come across gangs of people blocking the footpaths getting dizzy walking around in circles.

markfla wrote: »

Cheers I'll tell my pregnant wife who was out pickiting in the rain she has your support. you p r i c k

Why lie to her, she plainly doesn't. It's her union that has her out in the rain, no one else.

bobbyjoe

Sizzler wrote: »

Theres one entrance, the main door onto Burgh Quay.

Report them to the gardai PMSL, sure they are Gardai Some joke.

Call Joe Duffy maybe!!!

bobbyjoe

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Its absolutely teeming down rain now here, hope the picketers get drenched, it will serve them right.

Just went out and gave umbrellas to two picketers near my house. Fair play to them.

prinz

Sizzler wrote: »

Some joke.

I don't see it? Want to explain it?

gaeilgegrinds

All schools that were intended to be picketed were when I was on my way to my picket. Primary schools were not supposed to. How about all the parents who had to take the day off? Most of those I know from my neighbourhood headed North shopping today. That's their business.

BlaasForRafa

markfla wrote: »

Cheers I'll tell my pregnant wife who was out pickiting in the rain she has your support. you p r i c k

I didn't force her to go out there picketing matey.

zeus faber

This is exactly what the govt want, private sector and public sector at each other throats,it just deflects away from the mess they have made of our country. The public service has its problems and everybody failed to address them in the good times but umtimately it is the govt fault by looking after everyone to be gauranteed seats at election times.
And they are still in Govt?????

Jip

zeus faber wrote: »

This is exactly what the govt want, private sector and public sector at each other throats,it just deflects away from the mess they have made of our country. The public service has its problems and everybody failed to address them in the good times but umtimately it is the govt fault by looking after everyone to be gauranteed seats at election times.
And they are still in Govt?????

You missed the other blindingly obvious partner for this mess we're in, the public sector unions.

BlaasForRafa

zeus faber wrote: »

This is exactly what the govt want, private sector and public sector at each other throats,it just deflects away from the mess they have made of our country. The public service has its problems and everybody failed to address them in the good times but umtimately it is the govt fault by looking after everyone to be gauranteed seats at election times.
And they are still in Govt?????

€400 million a week being borrowed, whoever caused it (cue ps workers to go off on rants here), it isn't sustainable.

Referring to the IMF on a PS thread is almost like Godwins law at this stage