Dunne Vs Monroe

c1979

Will it happen?

only caught the end of the Monroe fight, heard he didn't start to well against Simone Maludrottu.

Even though Monroe looks strong he aint got a massive punch, there's nobody else except Jason Booth to fight in Europe. (I don't think Monroe can operate on a world level). Bernard is rated no 3 by the EBU so hopefully they'll give him a shoot.

Chriscl1

Dunne's team were offered a fight in dublin with munroe for what would have been dunne's biggest pay day, i think but dont quote me it was €150k and they turned it down flat. Would dunne travel to the uk and fight the binman? He might have to and i think he might regret it.

alanceltic

Chriscl1 wrote: »

for what would have been dunne's biggest pay day

this is bull****,nothing more than spin from that assh.le maloney

Chriscl1 wrote: »

Would dunne travel to the uk and fight the binman? He might have to and i think he might regret it.

dunne takes munroe to school for what its worth but mark my words this fight will NEVER happen

unknown13

The only way this fight will happen is if Munroe vacates the title and gets smashed by the WBC champ, Dunne fights and beats Jason Booth, then Munroe gets made the mandatory by the EBU.

Dunne would make a show of Munroe and would beat Jason Booth easily

Big Ears

I had Maludrottu beating Munroe 115-113 and he landed by far the better quality and more effective punches. Worrying what could happen to Munroe at a higher level.

The thing for Munroe is now he's Nishioka's mandatory but rumour is going round that Munroe may not take the fight if he can't get home advantage and imo it's very unlikely he will get that.

Nishioka's camp will make a decent bid and Munroe fighting in front of 1,500 people at the Harvey Hadden Leisure Centre with Sky televising on Friday Fight Night is not going to generate near enough money to win the bid. If he's going to win it he'll have to take a hit and I don't think Maloney will bother because he'll know Munroe is going to be way out of his depth anyway.

Nishioka is very very good and would hammer Munroe unmercifully.
Which begs the question of what can Munroe do then ?, Maloney also has British champion Jason Booth but doesn't want to match his fighters together(Booth would fight for the European title if Munroe vacates), and there's no one at World level Munroe has a hope of beating.

I really am interested to see what Maloney does here because I just can't see him letting Munroe off to Japan to take a beating and there's not much else he can do.

If he stays with the European title, he'll be forced to match Munroe with Booth or Dunne very soon.
Munroe's a nice guy, works extremely hard and is in tremendous shape, he must be a machine in the gym. However he's not very skilled and relies on his size, strength and stamina to win him fights. At the highest level that just isn't going to work and not only will he not be able to pin fighters down, they'll hit him at will. Nishioka will administer a thorough beating before early/midway stoppage if it happens.

I don't see Dunne v Munroe as any closer though, Maloney probably wouldn't want to risk that. Especially if he couldn't get it in the massive Harvey Hadden Leisure Centre.

Chriscl1

If dunne could beat munroe so handily then shouldnt his team push for the fight? Wouldnt munroe's belt be better than no belt at all?

joepenguin

Dunne as a vountary? cant see it unless he really has no other choice but wasnt kiko a mandatroy and maludrottu a mandatory? In that case he would have quite a while to make another one if it was dunne or booth.

Munroe should take his chance on the world stage while he has it. The champs are strong now but with cab and jml moving up he should look at these belts in the near future and take a voluntary in the meantime. I wouldnt fancy him against nishioka but if it comes to a good old fashioned "fight a champion that is actually worthy to be a champion:eek::eek: then so be it. He can always go back to european level anyway. Depends what he wants really.

alanceltic

why wouldnt they fight.....

Politics
Money
Promotional Tie ins (TV etc)
Managers egos

take your pick!!!!

Magpie87

This just came out from Maloney's people I see:

MALONEY: BERNARD'S NOT DUNNE A DUSTED

EUROPEAN super-bantamweight champion Rendall Munroe has thrown a lifeline to the fading career of Bernard Dunne.

The Leicester binman is willing to risk next year's world title challenge against WBC 8st 10lb champion Toshiaki Nishioka and face the Irishman first.

Munroe (20-1) is ranked second in the world by the WBC and underlined his world title credentials outpointing Simone Maludrottu last week.

It was the fifth title defence by the southpaw who took the title from Kiko Martinez - who had flattened Dunne in 86 seconds.

Munroe has since repeated that win over Martinez, while poor Dunne's career is in the doldrums after losing his WBA crown in three rounds to Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym in September.

Munroe's promoter Frank Maloney said: "We made a fantastic offer for Bernard to face Munroe last year and I never heard a word from Dunne's camp.

"I am now willing to make them another offer to face Munroe early next year if they are brave enough to step forward. All his manager, Brian Peters has to do is call and lets see if he is up for the challenge, but somehow I doubt it.

"People might think I'm crazy to want the match, but Rendall could do with a knockout before facing Nishioka."

Maloney also hit out at internet criticism of Munroe, who has held the European title since February 2008 and also won the Commonwealth title.

He added: "It is unfair on Rendall, but he has got big shoulders and just laughs off the criticism from people.

"I do get angry because he has made five defences, and beaten two mandatory challenges who are world class, Martinez and Maludrottu.

"Martinez was unbeaten in 17 when Rendall beat him for the first time. Maludrottu is a top drawer, made six defences of the European bantamweight title and last 12 rounds in a world title challenge in Japan.
"Rendall is one of the strongest super-bantamweights in the world and a top class pressure fighter

walshb

Is there anyone who would make Dunne a favorite?

Maybe a few months ago, but after what happened to Dunne, and the likely
affect a bad loss would have on a fighter, having to restart, re motivate and
basically get back in the zone, then I would have to make Munroe the favorite. He is the fighter on the "up," if you can call it that.

Le King

Hope this happens.

Magpie87

walshb wrote: »

Is there anyone who would make Dunne a favorite?

Maybe a few months ago, but after what happened to Dunne, and the likely
affect a bad loss would have on a fighter, having to restart, re motivate and
basically get back in the zone, then I would have to make Munroe the favorite. He is the fighter on the "up," if you can call it that.

I suppose we're talking about a hypothetical response from Dunne here. Which is a very valid point Walsh B - I heard an interview on Newstalk at the Weekend where he said a rematch versus Poonswat would be the only fight he wouldn't have to think twice about - which possibly shows a lot of hurt and maybe a lack of desire for it anymore.

But based on facts - do I think Bernard Dunne can outbox Munroe ?- Definitely.

Do I think Dunne has faced down more top quality opposition than Munroe ? Definitely.

If the shoe was on the other foot and it was an Irish fighter taking a step up against a former World Champion would we be making the other guy favouriye and doubting the Irish fighters credentials ? Yes.

Did anyone see Munroe in DCU a few months back ? Ithought the guy wasn't that impressive and had the other fighter ahead until he injured his arm.

walshb

Magpie87 wrote: »

I suppose we're talking about a hypothetical response from Dunne here. Which is a very valid point Walsh B - I heard an interview on Newstalk at the Weekend where he said a rematch versus Poonswat would be the only fight he wouldn't have to think twice about - which possibly shows a lot of hurt and maybe a lack of desire for it anymore.

But based on facts - do I think Bernard Dunne can outbox Munroe ?- Definitely.

Do I think Dunne has faced down more top quality opposition than Munroe ? Definitely.

If the shoe was on the other foot and it was an Irish fighter taking a step up against a former World Champion would we be making the other guy favouriye and doubting the Irish fighters credentials ? Yes.

Did anyone see Munroe in DCU a few months back ? Ithought the guy wasn't that impressive and had the other fighter ahead until he injured his arm.

Dunne never wanted to rematch Kiko, at least he never to my mind called for
a rematch or seemed to want one, so why would one think he now wants to rematch with PK?

The PK fight is one Dunne can never win, and will only be badly hurt in. PK said he would rematch Dunne, but of course he would; it's an easy payday
It would be over quicker this time, as PK would not have to feel Dunne out.

Dunne will be 30 in February, and at best, he has maybe two years left should he
decide to come back. Now, two years if he is matched with opponents that won't
KO him, a lot less if he meets punchers

Johner

If this fight happens early next year I'd put my money on Munroe.

Magpie87

walshb wrote: »

Dunne never wanted to rematch Kiko, at least he never to my mind called for
a rematch or seemed to want one, so why would one think he now wants to rematch with PK?

The PK fight is one Dunne can never win, and will only be badly hurt in. PK said he would rematch Dunne, but of course he would; it's an easy payday
It would be over quicker this time, as PK would not have to feel Dunne out.

Dunne will be 30 in February, and at best, he has maybe two years left should he
decide to come back. Now, two years if he is matched with opponents that won't
KO him, a lot less if he meets punchers

Well that's what he said in the interview. I wouldn't argue the cast that he would beat PK because he wouldn't but I think he is in a level below PK but still above Munroe.

If Dunne boxes smart I think he is a quicker and better boxer than Munroe who is slower and leaves himself open at least as much as Dunne does defensively.

Johner

Big Ears wrote: »

I had Maludrottu beating Munroe 115-113 and he landed by far the better quality and more effective punches. Worrying what could happen to Munroe at a higher level.

I had it the same score but for Munroe. Thought he was vey slow to start but took control in the middle/later rounds. Was a good fight though could have gone either way.

keane=cock

Chriscl1 wrote: »

Dunne's team were offered a fight in dublin with munroe for what would have been dunne's biggest pay day, i think but dont quote me it was €150k and they turned it down flat. Would dunne travel to the uk and fight the binman? He might have to and i think he might regret it.

i heard dunnes camp tried to get this fight a few yrs back but munroes were nt interested they only became intereted when dunne won the euro title. even then they onlyoffered fights once dunne has agreed a contract with other fghters or once they opted to go for a world title instead of the euro.

keane=cock

so dunne all the way for me.

better boxer and dont think munroe has the ko punch to trouble him

BDF

That statement from Maloney reeks of desperation. He realises now that Munroe does not stand a chance against Nishioka so the only avenue he has left is a big fight with Dunne. If anything it would be Dunne throwing Munroe a lifeline and a big payday, not the other way around.
And what's all this Martinez and Maludrottu are world class crap? If that is true and Munroe dealt with these two "world class" guys so handily, why wait, put him in with Nishioka:rolleyes:

Johner

BDF wrote: »

That statement from Maloney reeks of desperation. He realises now that Munroe does not stand a chance against Nishioka so the only avenue he has left is a big fight with Dunne. If anything it would be Dunne throwing Munroe a lifeline and a big payday, not the other way around.
And what's all this Martinez and Maludrottu are world class crap? If that is true and Munroe dealt with these two "world class" guys so handily, why wait, put him in with Nishioka:rolleyes:

In fairness how would it be giving Munroe a lifeline? He has made 5 defenses of his European title while Dunne got battered in his last fight. I dont see how it is Dunne throwing Munroe a lifeline. I don't rate Munroe highly but still he is in a much better position than Dunne at the moment.

alanceltic

lads park the whole who wins argument for a min. do any of u actually believe this spin from maloney. munroe clearly ducked cordoba and now on the eve of a tilt at nishioka they are looking to duck that also, it just dont make sense to me. maloey knows munroe is limited and has been unimpressive in his last few outings and the sly old fox knows he is guaranteed column inches with talk like this to try and talk up his man. call me a sceptic but i question the motivation behind it and i really think some people underestimate how very very average munroe is.

Magpie87

alanceltic wrote: »

lads park the whole who wins argument for a min. do any of u actually believe this spin from maloney. munroe clearly ducked cordoba and now on the eve of a tilt at nishioka they are looking to duck that also, it just dont make sense to me. maloey knows munroe is limited and has been unimpressive in his last few outings and the sly old fox knows he is guaranteed column inches with talk like this to try and talk up his man. call me a sceptic but i question the motivation behind it and i really think some people underestimate how very very average munroe is.

Two very good points.

I also find it amazing that he is making it into some British P4P Top 10 lists.

Johner

I don't get all the Munroe hate? Is it because he is english? Its a great story binman to a European title and possibly World title challenger. Sure he is very average but the guy works so hard,is so fit and dedicated to what he does whether its boxing or his job. He has amazing stamina and heart. Limited skills sure but I really like watching him and he has done really well for himself. And why isn't he worth a place at No 10 in the British pound for pound rankings?

walshb

They may as well fight each other, as neither are going to break the best out there, unless the standards really fall. BTW, Hyland is hyping Dunne now. Talking about Dunne regaining the "world title" and then the two of them fighting in Dublin for the belt. This is fantasy at best

BDF

Johner wrote: »

In fairness how would it be giving Munroe a lifeline? He has made 5 defenses of his European title while Dunne got battered in his last fight. I dont see how it is Dunne throwing Munroe a lifeline. I don't rate Munroe highly but still he is in a much better position than Dunne at the moment.

Because a former world champion who is willing to fight the best is in a much better position than an average European champion who is looking for any and every excuse not to step up. Where can Munroe go if he doesn't fight Nishioka? Can you not see that this is a desperate attempt from Maloney to get his man one last payday?
Dunne should be laughing his ass off that the man who was bragging saying that he could beat both him and Cordoba was just outboxed by Simone Maludrottu and is now back to calling him out!!

BDF

alanceltic wrote: »

lads park the whole who wins argument for a min. do any of u actually believe this spin from maloney. munroe clearly ducked cordoba and now on the eve of a tilt at nishioka they are looking to duck that also, it just dont make sense to me. maloey knows munroe is limited and has been unimpressive in his last few outings and the sly old fox knows he is guaranteed column inches with talk like this to try and talk up his man. call me a sceptic but i question the motivation behind it and i really think some people underestimate how very very average munroe is.

It's typical Frank Maloney BS!

Big Ears

Johner wrote: »

I don't get all the Munroe hate? Is it because he is english? Its a great story binman to a European title and possibly World title challenger. Sure he is very average but the guy works so hard,is so fit and dedicated to what he does whether its boxing or his job. He has amazing stamina and heart. Limited skills sure but I really like watching him and he has done really well for himself. And why isn't he worth a place at No 10 in the British pound for pound rankings?

My only dislike of Munroe comes from people rating him far too highly, he does seem a genuine nice guy and I believe if it were up to him he wouldn't be scared of facing anybody. But he's the most limited European champion in a long time that I've seen to go on and make that many European defences.

A large part of that is that his voluntaries have been of terrible quality and lower than British title fights. I'm not even convinced he's the best in Britain and would give Jason Booth a very good chance against him despite the size differences.

This is coming from someone who predicted Munroe would beat Kiko(both times) and Maludrottu. Infact the only time I thought Munroe would lose he did(v Andy Morris).

Walshb I'm surprised you think Munroe would be favourite to beat Dunne, but maybe since Dunne's loss you've gone back to feeling he's a domestic level fighter.

Chriscl1

I too think munroe is a likeable guy. He went into that last fight and fought the fight how the opponent wanted it and beat him at his own game. I think dunne is only comfortable when he is getting his own way and can never win in a toe to toe battle. He shown this a few fights back, cant remember the fighters name but dunne was winning and the fella gave him the banging gloves come on then sign and dunne could be seen clearly grinning at him and shaking the head saying no way. While this shows dunne aint daft and knew he could out box this fella it made me feel that he aint confident of a tear up and really thats what people want to see, well me anyway lol. I like that munroe aint afraid to get stuck in even though he does get caught quite often when doing so.

Big Ears

Chriscl1 wrote: »

I too think munroe is a likeable guy. He went into that last fight and fought the fight how the opponent wanted it and beat him at his own game. I think dunne is only comfortable when he is getting his own way and can never win in a toe to toe battle. He shown this a few fights back, cant remember the fighters name but dunne was winning and the fella gave him the banging gloves come on then sign and dunne could be seen clearly grinning at him and shaking the head saying no way. While this shows dunne aint daft and knew he could out box this fella it made me feel that he aint confident of a tear up and really thats what people want to see, well me anyway lol. I like that munroe aint afraid to get stuck in even though he does get caught quite often when doing so.

That was the Damien Marchiano fight, Dunne's first fight after Kiko.
It was very much planned in that fight that Dunne wouldn't get involved no matter what. He could have taken out Marchiano in that fight if he really wanted to but the excercise was to learn from the Kiko battle, to stay away, box and not get involved.

The Cordoba fight wasn't Dunne's type of fight, that was a toe to toe battle(albeit with no little skill) and Dunne came out on top and showed more than enough bottle. In the Poonsawat fight, one of the main problems is Dunne was dragged into a war, and while this would have happened anyway with the Thai's pressure, Dunne partially initiated this himself and was well up for a scrap.

Munroe will obviously do against Dunne what he normally does, pin him against the ropes, try and lean on him to wear him down(Munroe's the only non Heavyweight I can ever think of that uses this as a main strategy and he does it well), and throw to the body, mainly pitter patter shots with nothing on them but with plenty of them.

However I think he'd have trouble pinning Dunne to the ropes, Dunne's footwork is much better and much quicker and Munroe does have a tendancy of walking in at times and just following the man as they back up. Dunne could leave him eating shots as he tries to bore in and Munroe may not actually be able to cut Dunne off to the ropes.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Walshb I'm surprised you think Munroe would be favourite to beat Dunne, but maybe since Dunne's loss you've gone back to feeling he's a domestic level fighter.

Why are you surprised?

I was never sold on Dunne being a solid favorite over Munroe to start with, and now the landscape really has changed, as one of my previous posts outlines. Motivation, bad loss, getting back in the zone etc.

BTW, should they fight and Munroe was tto win, what would be the excuses?

All I am hearing is how Munroe is so average and limited; well, if that is the case,
and many think Dunne is streets ahead, even a faded 30 year old Dunne should win?

Rob113

Ive seen most of Munroes fights and while his physique is impressive i dont feel he has any real power. He is all tippy tappy shots which over the distance might have a wearing down effect i dont think he has the explosive one punch power of either Kiko or Poonsawat. I think Dunne would school him skill wise and stop him in 7/8. Id personally love Dunne to take back the EU title and get 2/3 more defences in against the best in Europe before one final go at a world title.

Johner

The fight would go the distance imo.

walshb

Nothing in boxing, or life for that matter, is a certainty; but Dunne will
not be stopping Munroe. Just go watch Dunne and watch his opponents and then tell me he can stop Munroe. Now, we know he stopped Cordoba, and in doing so, he surprised everyone, including himself. Cordoba was gassed, as Dunne himself admitted. Accumulation and lack of conditioning did in Ricardo

Rendall is well conditioned, well chinned and physically strong. This fight will either be a points win for Dunne or TKO/KO win for Munroe

BDF

walshb wrote: »

Nothing in boxing, or life for that matter, is a certainty; but Dunne will
not be stopping Munroe. Just go watch Dunne and watch his opponents and then tell me he can stop Munroe. Now, we know he stopped Cordoba, and in doing so, he surprised everyone, including himself. Cordoba was gassed, as Dunne himself admitted. Accumulation and lack of conditioning did in Ricardo

Rendall is well conditioned, well chinned and physically strong. This fight will either be a points win for Dunne or TKO/KO win for Munroe

You just won't give Dunne any credit will you? :rolleyes: Was the knockdown in the 3rd down to Cordoba gassing? I am so fed up of hearing this crap about Cordoba gassing! Why did he gas? It's funny how he didn't seem to gas in any of his 30 odd fights before Dunne.
If Munroe is visibly shaken by featherfisted guys like Matiroysan, Nettey and Maludrottu then Dunne, who is more accurate, more powerful and throws from different angles, can certainly stop him. Munroe might be able to handle a Kiko Martinez who has a punch but not much skill, he may also be able to (just about) handle a Simone Maludrottu with ok skills but not much power, but I doubt that he will come out on top against someone like Dunne who has decent power and more skill than anyone he has ever faced.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

You just won't give Dunne any credit will you? :rolleyes: Was the knockdown in the 3rd down to Cordoba gassing? I am so fed up of hearing this crap about Cordoba gassing! Why did he gas? It's funny how he didn't seem to gas in any of his 30 odd fights before Dunne.
If Munroe is visibly shaken by featherfisted guys like Matiroysan, Nettey and Maludrottu then Dunne, who is more accurate, more powerful and throws from different angles, can certainly stop him. Munroe might be able to handle a Kiko Martinez who has a punch but not much skill, he may also be able to (just about) handle a Simone Maludrottu with ok skills but not much power, but I doubt that he will come out on top against someone like Dunne who has decent power and more skill than anyone he has ever faced.

The knockdown in the third? Did I say that was due to gassing? No, I didn't.

Hey, don't take it from me, Bernard himself was surprised and said that Cordoba was more out due to exhaustion.

Now, you ask why did he gas? How should I know. Maybe he wasn't fit enough. Dunne played his part too, but this guy was supposed to be a "world champion."

Other Dunne opponents, much less rated than "world champion" went 10 and 12 rds fairly decently.

Anyway, that's in the past. Forget Cordoba. My point is that there is NOTHING in Dunne's career that leads me to believe that he will KO
Munroe. Nothing!

Daroxtar

There's nothing to suggest that Munroe will be anything other than a nights work for Dunne. Munroe is decent, Dunne is better than that.

walshb

Daroxtar wrote: »

There's nothing to suggest that Munroe will be anything other than a nights work for Dunne. Munroe is decent, Dunne is better than that.

So, a points win? Ko win?

I could possibly see a points win. I would be massively surprised to
see Dunne stop Munroe.

kevinhug

walshb wrote: »

Anyway, that's in the past. Forget Cordoba. My point is that there is NOTHING in Dunne's career that leads me to believe that he will KO
Munroe. Nothing!

You can’t forget about the Cordoba fight. you judge a guy on his last performance not his first. you judge a guy on what he is capable of. Did everyone not say it was a totally different Dunne that night? he changed his whole training routine for the Cordoba fight and his power/stamina increased significantly, he seemed to stun Cordoba from his very first punch. something PK never done when they fought. take what you want from the PK fight but we seen nothing of Dunne.

I just can’t see Munroe giving Dunne that much trouble, Munroe will never have been hit as accurately and as constantly throughout a fight as with Dunne. His stamina will be great as always but how will it cope when it actually gets hit and tested?

walshb

kevinhug wrote: »

You can’t forget about the Cordoba fight.

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In the context of Dunne stopping Munroe, I think we can forget about it.

All I am saying is that it's highly unlikely that Dunne will stop Munroe, Cordoba victory or not. Go watch the Cordoba fight. It's quite obvious that Cordoba was done in from exhaustion, as WELL as taking shots.

Bernard has failed to put away many fighters that he shoud have, and Munroe is a very conditioned and strong guy, with a good chin.

Jeez, if Kiko couldn't do the trick, and I am no fan of Kiko by the way, but he can hit heavier than Dunne, then I cannot see a stoppage win for Dunne.

Daroxtar

walshb wrote: »

So, a points win? Ko win?

I could possibly see a points win. I would be massively surprised to
see Dunne stop Munroe.

Dunne on points. Neither man will knock the other out.

Dunne boxed consistently well against tougher harder hitters than munroe during his rehab after the kiko fight.

People tend to forget that apart from leaving his chin out Dunne is a very good technical boxer. He has no problem hitting opponents and shouldnt be too worried with munroes power so i think Bernard has this by about 4 rounds.

Chriscl1

I really want to see this fight now, i hope someone from dunne's team see's this thread. We could nearly get the purse together ourselves. Hopefully before all the dunne fanboys start boxing all the non believers lol.

alanceltic

I seriously cant believe that some people really believe that Munroe could KO Dunne let alone beat him. He is huge at the weight but is so feather fisted its unreal, he has NO technique in any shape or form and I agree with Bigears that he is one of the poorest euro level champions in recent times. Sure he beat Martinez twice but for those who never rated Martinez in the first place that isnt really that much of an accomplishment all it proves is that he can cover up well, not much else really.

I really cant see this fight coming off anytime soon as there are way too many imponderables as i stated earlier, a war of words between their managers, a struggle for hime turf, both camps looking for a bigger slice of the pot, tv rights, promotional rights, the list just goes on and on and thats even before we find out if Dunne even wants/needs the fight!

In saying all of that there has been a real war of words between both sets of supporters (just look at some of the other boxing sites for the last 18 months, its unreal!!!!) and its funny coz neither boxer has engaged in the trash talk so its really caught peoples eye, mabey its the whole 800 years of oppression thing shining through haha. Are you guys really that interested in seeing this fight come off???? The next obvious question is where could it happen? Assuming its in Eire could you possible see it in the point or would it revert back to the stadium. With the way things are now I can only see a show in the point again if the card is heavily stacked (even if we ever have another world title shot anytime soon). Dunne/Macklin/McCloskey all challenging/defending euro titles you imagine would easily sell 10,000 tickets if they were reasonably priced

Johner

alanceltic wrote: »

I seriously cant believe that some people really believe that Munroe could KO Dunne let alone beat him. He is huge at the weight but is so feather fisted its unreal, he has NO technique in any shape or form and I agree with Bigears that he is one of the poorest euro level champions in recent times. Sure he beat Martinez twice but for those who never rated Martinez in the first place that isnt really that much of an accomplishment all it proves is that he can cover up well, not much else really.

I really cant see this fight coming off anytime soon as there are way too many imponderables as i stated earlier, a war of words between their managers, a struggle for hime turf, both camps looking for a bigger slice of the pot, tv rights, promotional rights, the list just goes on and on and thats even before we find out if Dunne even wants/needs the fight!

In saying all of that there has been a real war of words between both sets of supporters (just look at some of the other boxing sites for the last 18 months, its unreal!!!!) and its funny coz neither boxer has engaged in the trash talk so its really caught peoples eye, mabey its the whole 800 years of oppression thing shining through haha. Are you guys really that interested in seeing this fight come off???? The next obvious question is where could it happen? Assuming its in Eire could you possible see it in the point or would it revert back to the stadium. With the way things are now I can only see a show in the point again if the card is heavily stacked (even if we ever have another world title shot anytime soon). Dunne/Macklin/McCloskey all challenging/defending euro titles you imagine would easily sell 10,000 tickets if they were reasonably priced

Why would be it be in Ireland? Munroe is the champion and he wouldn't here.

mark renton

Ahh yes - its good to see the Dunne v Munore talk back - I'm a big fan of this fight going ahead and actually would loved to have seen it as a WBA title fight for one reason only - its against an opponent that Bernard beats in 19 out of 20 fights and contrary to what people may say Munroe is setup perfect for Bernard to land the magic left hooks to the body, so I would even favor a stoppage - the only question at this point in time is "would Bernard need a warm up fight before it?"

even though there have been points here why the fight wont go ahead, I think common sense will prevail as this is the ideal fight for both fighters, it gets Bernard back officially as best SBW in Europe and if Munroe wins then his future options would be unlimited

choice of venue here could be tricky -Point may be too big while Stadium may be too small - I hear walshb's back garden holds around 5k if a little space is made

could Bernard afford to travel for this one? I think so, financially if he gets rewarded for travelling then I think he should, but not for 1500 audience, surely the mighty Dunne would pull that many Irish to England for a fight

walshb

john47832 wrote: »

choice of venue here could be tricky -Point may be too big while Stadium may be too small - I hear walshb's back garden holds around 5k if a little space is made

No, it only holds 4500. Why the need to slate any of the fighters I don't know.
Simple: Neither are great and both can beat each other. I would have to favor
Munroe at THIS stage in their careers. It's going to very hard for Dunne
to make a credible comeback after his second crushing loss.

mark renton

Have to say I'm surprised PK hasnt gone for one of the big guns in sbw division, or maybe its a case he's having trouble getting a match - anyone know if he's challenged any of the other title holders?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=326079&cat=boxer

BDF

walshb wrote: »

No, it only holds 4500. Why the need to slate any of the fighters I don't know.
Simple: Neither are great and both can beat each other. I would have to favor
Munroe at THIS stage in their careers. It's going to very hard for Dunne
to make a credible comeback after his second crushing loss.

How's that? Munroe labours to win a decision over some unknown African and then just about get's past Maludrottu. Dunne beats a world class operator and loses to another. The loss to Poonsawat was due to a weakness which Munroe is unable to exploit. Munroe can be outboxed by the most average of fighters, even the limited Italian Fabrizio Trotta was winning rounds before he got injured.

If you are making Munroe the favourite exactly how do you see him beating Dunne? Do you think he will outbox him or do you think the man who has just 5 genuine stoppages out of 20 fights will stop him?

walshb

BDF wrote: »

How's that? Munroe labours to win a decision over some unknown African and then just about get's past Maludrottu. Dunne beats a world class operator and loses to another. The loss to Poonsawat was due to a weakness which Munroe is unable to exploit. Munroe can be outboxed by the most average of fighters, even the limited Italian Fabrizio Trotta was winning rounds before he got injured.

If you are making Munroe the favourite exactly how do you see him beating Dunne? Do you think he will outbox him or do you think the man who has just 5 genuine stoppages out of 20 fights will stop him?

I genuinely think that Bernard at this stage of his career is on the slide; and after the last loss, he may find it very hard to get the hunger and desire back to motivate himself. Already he is handicapped. It's not like he is 25 or 26, he will be 30 very soon and the lower weight fighters tend to decline quicker. Whether one believes it or not, boxing is a huge mental and confidence game, as well as a physical and talent game. The mental and confidence part worries me about Dunne, and more so now than before.

Bernard knows well he hasn't a chin and this alone will play on his mind, no matter who he's fighting, puncher or non puncher. I just think Munroe has the edge in confidence and strength and the edge in terms of where both fighters are at this stage of their careers

Lets wait to see if the fight comes off. I would be very surprised if the bookies didn't make Rendall the favorite, should they meet soon.

BDF

walshb wrote: »

I genuinely think that Bernard at this stage of his career is on the slide; and after the last loss, he may find it very hard to get the hunger and desire back to motivate himself. Already he is handicapped. It's not like he is 25 or 26, he will be 30 very soon and the lower weight fighters tend to decline quicker. Whether one believes it or not, boxing is a huge mental and confidence game, as well as a physical and talent game. The mental and confidence part worries me about Dunne, and more so now than before.

Bernard knows well he hasn't a chin and this alone will play on his mind, no matter who he's fighting, puncher or non puncher. I just think Munroe has the edge in confidence and strength and the edge in terms of where both fighters are at this stage of their careers

Lets wait to see if the fight comes off. I would be very surprised if the bookies didn't make Rendall the favorite, should they meet soon.

Again, if you would make Munroe the favourite how do you see him winning? I'm assuming by what I have read from you that you don't think Dunne can win. So does Munroe outbox Dunne or stop him?

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

I genuinely think that Bernard at this stage of his career is on the slide; and after the last loss, he may find it very hard to get the hunger and desire back to motivate himself. Already he is handicapped. It's not like he is 25 or 26, he will be 30 very soon and the lower weight fighters tend to decline quicker. Whether one believes it or not, boxing is a huge mental and confidence game, as well as a physical and talent game. The mental and confidence part worries me about Dunne, and more so now than before.

Bernard knows well he hasn't a chin and this alone will play on his mind, no matter who he's fighting, puncher or non puncher. I just think Munroe has the edge in confidence and strength and the edge in terms of where both fighters are at this stage of their careers

Lets wait to see if the fight comes off. I would be very surprised if the bookies didn't make Rendall the favorite, should they meet soon.

Id say he'd have the hunger and motivation alright but does he have the confidence? For me Dunne beats Munroe everyday of the week but only if he has the confidence in his abilities.

Lower weight class fighters do decline quicker but we can never tell until we see a sub par performance or two.

Dunne has always imo lingered between euro and world level. So thats where I judge him. If he beats someone at world level then celebrations, if he loses to someone in the euro rankings im dissapointed but thats where I put him.

He has all the physical attributes to beat Munroe, I seen him on the sutherland undercard and he didnt look great at all. For me this is a credible comeback and he has some options at this level also.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

Again, if you would make Munroe the favourite how do you see him winning? I'm assuming by what I have read from you that you don't think Dunne can win. So does Munroe outbox Dunne or stop him?

It's possible that IF Munroe sets a fast and heavy pace, he could wear Dunne down and stop him late. See, if I was Munroe, I would be knowing certain things.

1 Dunne won't really hurt me. My chin is strong, I am strong and I am well
conditioned.

2. Dunne likes a fight at his pace, he is uncomfortable when a fighter presses and presses.

Munroe can afford to be a little less alert on defence. He has to know that
his chin can take whatever Dunne throws. He has seen enough of Dunne
at this stage.

Last year, Dunne has a much better chance than next year. It's logical that as time ticks by, Dunne's odds lessen.

I am betting that if they do meet, Munroe will be the bookies favorite, and for reasons I have stated.