Pneunomic plague in Ukraine?

profitius

Anybody hear about this?

http://www.youtube.com/user/SetYouFreee#p/c/7ABFE1554A2A4944/0/dSImU0qnqgo

EXODUS251022

Yes this man did, Josef Moshe, the same man who withstood teargas and pepperspray like it wasn't there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk

DAILY EXPRESS UK

MORE HERE

SHOCK! Epidemic of pneumonic plague in Ukraine? (updated at 05:39 pm)

Ukraine: Influenza or Pneumonic Plague? The situation is getting worse and worse

Ukraine's Pneumonic Plague: A New Strain of Flu Many Times More Lethal Than H1N1

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

AND HERE

AND HERE

HERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAX6jP-MR8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m83Nk9vnyKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW0CYhXv-A0

Yes very suspicious, and finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdw_UIYjrWE

So if you can remember "crazy" DR Moshe, his warning, his teargas and pepperspraying without effect, was there any truth in his warning?......Seems there was afterall

The conspiracy is that this was predicted a few months ago and now it's happening, this is nothing to do with medical advice so please leave it open for discussion, I've backed it with numerous sources, even credible one's.

meglome

So people are dying from flu?

EXODUS251022

meglome wrote: »

So people are dying from flu?

No it's a bit more complicated than that, on 13th August 2009, a man was surrounded in L.A., it was reported he had made threats against the white house. He had actually gone on a radio show and gave a warning. His name was Joseph Moshe, he was arrested after 5 Gallons of pepperspray and 5 cans of teargas had zero/zilch effect on him as he sat in his car, strange would you think?, or even stranger maybe the fact what he said is happening NOW.....

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”





Joseph Moshe, MOSSAD

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, (explanation of Joseph Moshe’s call at 06:00) broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.


MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'

A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.


A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.
President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.

SHOCK! Epidemic of pneumonic plague in Ukraine?

Ministry of Health has not established the exact diagnosis of the epidemic disease in the western regions of Ukraine. Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich has given information about spread of diseases in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions today at the meeting of Cabinet of Ministers.
According to the Minister, the World Health Organization is ready to render assistance to Ukrainian experts and the Ministry of Health in order to establish the cause of death and development of disease flu in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.
"We are working at receiving the vaccine against influenza A (H1N1) also", - said Vasily Knyazevich and asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to render assistance.
Answering question of Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko about the definition of the specific nature of the disease, the head of the Ministry of Health said: "The nature of infections is viral one. But at the moment it is not defined, is it the Californian influenza H1N1, or it is our seasonal influenza. To date, there is no precise diagnosis."


So do you see the conspiracy?, or is it coincidence?, is it flu because "To date, there is no precise diagnosis" of whatever is sweeping through Ukraine, am I crazy to think something is wrong with all this?, where is Joseph Moshe now?, when is he in court for threatening the white house?, or is he back in Israel?.

Now before your ignorant type dismissal of any link between these very strange events look at the links in my previous post and repeated in this one, the video's and come out of your safe denial shell and face facts.

No matter what your take on it, can you explain firstly how this man took 5 gallons of pepperspray hosed at high pressure into his face, calmly rolled down the window to let the contents of 5 canisters of teargas out into the air and just sat there!, is he superhuman?, is he psychic and had a preminition of a coming plague in Ukraine, he was specific about Ukraine, now Ukraine has a mystery 3 flu cocktail, and were the NUT'S for being suspicious.

Professor Joseph Moshe

Diogenes

I'm sorry he's a professor at which university? And wheres your proof that he works for Mossad. As microbiologist?

5 Gallons of pepper spray? Pepper spray canisters come in containers measured in oz. 4 or 5 oz cannisters. 5 Gallons? Do you have any idea how many of these canisters would have be emptied to meet that volume?

The basic facts of this story are either unsubstantiated or nonsensical.

Diogenes

Diogenes wrote: »

And wheres your proof that he works for Mossad.

Moshe is an Israeli name. All Israelis are in the Mossad.
I thought you knew that diogenes.:pac:

Diogenes wrote: »

Do you have any idea how many of these canisters would have be emptied to meet that volume?

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EXODUS251022

Diogenes wrote: »

I'm sorry he's a professor at which university? And wheres your proof that he works for Mossad. As microbiologist?

5 Gallons of pepper spray? Pepper spray canisters come in containers measured in oz. 4 or 5 oz cannisters. 5 Gallons? Do you have any idea how many of these canisters would have be emptied to meet that volume?

The basic facts of this story are either unsubstantiated or nonsensical.

Look at 1:15 of this video, they must have bluetacked a few 5 oz cannisters together for this spraying, this wasn't the first time they peppersprayed him either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giavJC7Q-TM

LOOK AT THIS

And remember this standoff lasted 8 hours, and that's not dry ice coming out the window.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on82ga_NUhY

So what exactly is unsubstantiated or nonsensical?, and look at the pepperspray, they're no 5oz cans so maybe your view is unsubstantiated or nonsensical

indough

do you have any proof the man is who you claimed him to be?

other than a shared name of course

EXODUS251022

EXODUS251022 wrote: »

Look at 1:15 of this video, they must have bluetacked a few 5 oz cannisters together for this spraying, this wasn't the first time they peppersprayed him either.


So what exactly is unsubstantiated or nonsensical?, and look at the pepperspray, they're no 5oz cans so maybe your view is unsubstantiated or nonsensical

That's not pepperspray.

And the claim that he's a mircobiologist, or anything else that's been claimed is still unsubstantiated.

But why are the CT site are making such a big deal about how much tear gas this dude supposedly took?
Did he get superpowers while working in a secret lab?

indough

indough wrote: »

do you have any proof the man is who you claimed him to be?

other than a shared name of course

The claim that he is a microbiologist comes from a similarly named guy, Bar-Joseph Moshe, who works in Israel.
http://www.agri.gov.il/people/856.aspx

There is no connection between these two guys other than the name.

indough

thanks, i thought as much to be honest

squod

EXODUS251022 wrote: »

Look at 1:15 of this video, they must have bluetacked a few 5 oz cannisters together for this spraying, this wasn't the first time they peppersprayed him either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giavJC7Q-TM

LOOK AT THIS

And remember this standoff lasted 8 hours, and that's not dry ice coming out the window.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on82ga_NUhY

So what exactly is unsubstantiated or nonsensical?, and look at the pepperspray, they're no 5oz cans so maybe your view is unsubstantiated or nonsensical

Yeah, I'm gonna say that your story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical, then I'm not gonna provide any contrary evidence which supports my claim. But hey, that's ok isn't it? :rolleyes:

Great vids, thanks for posting. The fact that the authorities sent a robot and not a couple blokes with handcuffs is astonishing. If the wind wasn't so strong, anything could have been concealed from the cameras with that smoke. V interesting.

limewax

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Diogenes

squod wrote: »

Yeah, I'm gonna say that your story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical, then I'm not gonna provide any contrary evidence which supports my claim. But hey, that's ok isn't it? :rolleyes:

The OP tells us he's a professor. A professor where? At what University?

The OP tells us he'a Mossad Mircobiologist. Where's his proof.

The onus is on the OP to prove the story, not the other way around. This are two simple facts that the OP should substantiate before we move forward.

Great vids, thanks for posting. The fact that the authorities sent a robot and not a couple blokes with handcuffs is astonishing.

The man made threats to blow up the white house. It's possible there were explosives in the car. Nothing astonishing about the robot.

If the wind wasn't so strong, anything could have been concealed from the cameras with that smoke. V interesting.

It's not smoke, it's teargas, and I've seen no evidence of 5 gallons of pepper spray.


I'm sorry after looking at the news report, and the conspiracy video, the stories don't match.

In the news report Moshe is described as mentally unstable, made threats against the white house, when police tried to pull him over, he sped away, and this led to a stand off.

In the conspiracy claim he's a professor who called into a radio show looking for a states attorney (why he didn't just call the DA office?) Claiming to be a mircobiologist, a Mossad agent, and a professor (none of these claims are substantiated) and then he's stopped the next day and attacked without provocation.

I think I know which story I find more plausible, unless someone can provide evidence of Moshe's expertise in the field of microbiology or where he teaches.

bonkey

I'm just looking through the links...they're worth reading.

The Daily Express reports that there is an epidemic, believed to be caused by a combination of three seperate flu strains - the H1N1 pandemic, and two "regular" seasonal flu strains. Despite believing it to be that, they are careful to quote someone saying "We have sent the analyses to Kiev. We don’t believe it’s H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is."/

So...on to the next link, which is gather.com. It has a big bold headline about a H1N1 super-flu plague. Hold on...in the previous link, they don't think its H1N1, yet here they do? OK...its a headline...lets read on. Having read on, we see things that show the headline to be nothing but sensationalism. They don't know that its H1N1 at all, and - just as the Express pointed out - report that there is the belief that its a mutation / combination of multiple different strains of flu.

Next two sites...same again - its almost certainly not H1N1, its dangerous, and the facts aren't clear yet.

Then, all of a sudden, the content changes. We get to preventdisease.com, who suggest that it could be an engineered bioweapon released by Baxter. Why? Well, because WHO said there were no signs of H1N1 mutating...however that logic works.

Then, we move on to the next link, and we've left aside everything to do with the Ukraine, or Baxter releasing a bioweapon, and have, instead a list of information from last August about this Moshe guy saying that the vaccine is a bioweapon.

This, to me, looks like nothing but a fairly transparent attempt to make another attack on the safety of swine-flu vaccine, which would be a bad idea, because its specifically against the rules.

If someone wants to discuss the situation in the Ukraine, feel free to do so...but consider yourselves on notice. This thread will be held to the rules regarding Swine Flu discussions that I've posted previously.

Diogenes

I rang up a friend of mine today. He's in Ennis, and I was checking how they where coping with the flooding (alls well, thanks for asking). However both his wife and stepdaughter are Ukrainian. So I asked had they heard anything about this devastating mutant plague running rampant throughout the Ukraine. His wife answered "What plague"?

Apparently this plague is so dire so awful that apparently no-one in the family has mentioned this in their phonecalls/e-mails/facebook chats to either my friend's wife or his step daughter.

bonkey

Oh, Ukraine has been a bit of an unusual case, alright...but as usual its a case of getting different messages from different sources.

Google "WHO Ukraine", and you'll find some differing perspectives on what's going on.

Again, though, I'm reminded that we're all too often told that the media et al are overhyping H1N1, and then when something like the situation in Ukraine crops up, rather than see the same people dismiss it as media hype....we see musings that this is The Big One.

squod

Diogenes wrote: »

The man made threats to blow up the white house. It's possible there were explosives in the car. Nothing astonishing about the robot.

There's a shed load of of people who make threats in America. So what. Do you think they all get the gassy robot treatment?

There's also the considerable cost of this kind of operation to the US taxpayer. Why send a robot, some armoured cars, a surveillance team and helicopters just to arrest another crackpot.

FFS the average US law man could make Swiss cheese of him from four hundred meters away and be home in time for Opera.



In fairness his interpretation stands the up to the credibility test a little easier than yours.

Diogenes wrote: »

The man made threats to blow up the white house. It's possible there were explosives in the car. Nothing astonishing about the robot.


I'm sorry after looking at the news report, and the conspiracy video, the stories don't match.

Thats the point The OP is making. Story doesn't add up. Some nut-job threatens to blow up the Whitehouse, so after spending eight hours gassing him and loads of money on a massive opperation the bloke is deported. Not sent to prison for ever.



Yeah. Real convincing.

squod

squod wrote: »

There's a shed load of of people who make threats in America. So what. Do you think they all get the gassy robot treatment?

There's also the considerable cost of this kind of operation to the US taxpayer. Why send a robot, some armoured cars, a surveillance team and helicopters just to arrest another crackpot.

Mmh they though he had a bomb?

squod wrote: »

In fairness his interpretation stands the up to the credibility test a little easier than yours.

The police being cautious around someone who might of had a bomb vs a Mossad microbiologist who had gained superpowers?

squod wrote: »

Thats the point The OP is making. Story doesn't add up. Some nut-job threatens to blow up the Whitehouse, so after spending eight hours gassing him and loads of money on a massive opperation the bloke is deported. Not sent to prison for ever.

Yeah. Real convincing.

So how do you know he was deported exactly?

And still there's no evidence that this guy is a mircobiologist or worked for the mossad or has any connection to any virus in the Ukrane.

Yeah. Real convincing.

squod

King Mob wrote: »

.............. no evidence that this guy is a mircobiologist or worked for the mossad or has any connection to any virus in the Ukrane.

In fairness I've never said there was. Also I've no evidence that this bloke is just a hopeless crackpot. The point I'm making is that is that I couldn't make a claim about the story being unsubstantiated or nonsensical unless I had proof that the story was unsubstantiated or nonsensical.

So is there proof that this story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical, and if so where can I find this proof?

squod

squod wrote: »

In fairness I've never said there was. Also I've no evidence that this bloke is just a hopeless crackpot. The point I'm making is that is that I couldn't make a claim about the story being unsubstantiated or nonsensical unless I had proof that the story was unsubstantiated or nonsensical.

So is there proof that this story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical, and if so where can I find this proof?

You don't seem to understand how evidence and proof works.

When someone says a claim is unsubstantiated, it means there is nothing to support that claim.
Not it's not the job of that person to show there's no evidence, it's the job of the claimant to provide such evidence.

For example I can claim that unicorns exist and back it up by saying you can't show there's no evidence that they do.

Therefore unicorns exist.

Does that logic make sense to you?
If not can you still honestly ask for proof that this story is unsubstantiated?

If you still think that asking for proof that this story is unsubstantiated makes sense then I'll ask you to prove that there is no evidence for the existence of unicorns.

As for nonsensical that's easy to show.
1) Why are people making a big deal about him take so much tear gas?
Does he have superpowers?
2) If he was involved in some secret government plot why did they use such a high profile (and as you said, expensive) operation to take him down?
Then why allow such a high profile operation to be broadcast on TV?

So is there any evidence that this guy is a mircobiologist or worked for the mossad or has any connection to any virus in the Ukrane.

squod

King Mob wrote: »

it's the job of the claimant to provide such evidence.

Mostly what I just said.

King Mob wrote: »

..... why did they use such a high profile (and as you said, expensive) operation to take him down?
Then why allow such a high profile operation to be broadcast on TV?

Mostly what I said again.


Look, I don't know what the story is with Dr.Moshe and his link with a 'flu epidemic but I litterally could not disprove one word of the OPs story. Not without researching the matter further and putting together a counter argument based on my research.

King Mob wrote: »

...........making such a big deal about how much tear gas this dude supposedly took?
Did he get superpowers while working in a secret lab?

This was a counter argument of yours, which I have already pointed out is litteraly not credible. So do you have any credible evidence that this story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical?

In other words what exactly leads you to believe that the OPs story is nonsense?

squod

squod wrote: »

Mostly what I just said.

No it's not.
You see we're not claiming anything.
We're saying that their is no evidence to support the claims being made.

squod wrote: »

Mostly what I said again.

And you have misunderstood what I said.
You believe that this is evidence for a conspiracy.
However it makes more sense as evidence against it.

If they wanted to keep this whole affair quiet, why use such a high profile operation and not have worry about the media?

The fact that it was such a high profile operation is consistent with the police believing he might have a bomb.

The is no evidence that anything else was going on.

squod wrote: »

Look, I don't know what the story is with Dr.Moshe and his link with a 'flu epidemic but I litterally could not disprove one word of the OPs story. Not without researching the matter further and putting together a counter argument based on my research.

And I have looked into it.
It's the same claims with no evidence to back them up.

squod wrote: »

This was a counter argument of yours, which I have already pointed out is litteraly not credible. So do you have any credible evidence that this story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical?

So then do you have proof there's no evidence that unicorns exist?

squod wrote: »

In other words what exactly leads you to believe that the OPs story is nonsense?

I've already explained that.

squod

King Mob wrote: »

And I have looked into it.

Link?

squod

squod wrote: »

Link?

To what?

They're all in the OP.

Gonna address the rest of the post?

squod

King Mob wrote: »

However it makes more sense as evidence against it.........



...........And I have looked into it.

What you said.

King Mob wrote: »

They're all in the OP.

Then you do not wish to put foward a counter argument, based on research. Which disproves the OPs story?

squod

squod wrote: »

What you said.


Then you do not wish to put foward a counter argument, based on research. Which disproves the OPs story?

You're not making any sense.

I looked into the claims made and none of them stand up to scrutiny.
There is no evidence this guy was a mirco-biologist, or works for the Mossad, or predicted any such illness in the Ukraine.
All the claims are unsubstantiated.

Can you point to any such evidence?

Are you going to address the other points I have made?

squod

I'm taking that as a no. As I already pointed out you're story is no more credible than his, yet you choose to believe only your story.

squod

squod wrote: »

I'm taking that as a no.

Again it's just that you don't understand how logic and evidence work.

Can you prove there's no evidence that unicorns exist?

squod wrote: »

As I already pointed out you're story is no more credible than his, yet you choose to believe only your story.

Again my story is that a crazy guy made a bomb threat and the police where cautious.
His story is this guy worked as a super secret spy scientist with super powers.
Not exactly on equal footing.

And still there's no evidence for any of the claims made, why should anyone take it seriously?

Diogenes

squod wrote: »

There's a shed load of of people who make threats in America. So what. Do you think they all get the gassy robot treatment?

There's also the considerable cost of this kind of operation to the US taxpayer. Why send a robot, some armoured cars, a surveillance team and helicopters just to arrest another crackpot.

Because he was meters away from a massive federal building in a car after making threats about blowing up the whitehouse.

FFS the average US law man could make Swiss cheese of him from four hundred meters away and be home in time for Opera.

Opera? What? The man made a claim about threatening to blow up the whitehouse. Firing into a car that could be laced with explosives of some description doesn't fall into intelligent action.

In fairness his interpretation stands the up to the credibility test a little easier than yours.

Exodous claims he his both a Mossad agent and a Professor, at least one of these claims are easily verifiable.

Your Occam's razor seems a tad blunt.

Thats the point The OP is making. Story doesn't add up. Some nut-job threatens to blow up the Whitehouse, so after spending eight hours gassing him and loads of money on a massive opperation the bloke is deported. Not sent to prison for ever.



Yeah. Real convincing.

And your evidence that he was deported? To where? Is what?

This was a counter argument of yours, which I have already pointed out is litteraly not credible. So do you have any credible evidence that this story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical?

You don't understand how evidence works do you? He makes the claim the onus is on him to support and provide evidence to support this claim.

Put simply it would be a gross injustice if I accused someone of being a paedophile and then demanded that they jump through hoops to prove their innocence.

These websites claim that he is a Professor and a Mossad Micro Biologist, these are specific claims and should be substantiated, before we give the story any credence.

indough

squod you are either just being awkward on purpose now or have no concept of how logic works at all

how do you suppose anyone disprove the story? there is a reason why a person making a claim is the one who is supposed to provide the evidence

until someone provides evidence of this guy being who he is claimed to be the issue is pretty much dead in the water

Diogenes

squod wrote: »

What you said.




Then you do not wish to put foward a counter argument, based on research. Which disproves the OPs story?

What evidence has been presented to support the OP's story in the first place?

Why should we attempt to dissprove what hasn't been proven?

squod

King Mob wrote: »

Again my story is that a crazy guy made a bomb threat and the police where cautious.


His story is this guy worked as a super secret spy scientist with super powers.

Loads of crazy guys make threats as I've said. So what?
If the OP is putting foward a story that is so easily dismissed than it should be easy to back up your counter claim. As I've said, at the minute, none of you have the lead in the credible stories stakes.

indough

there is no story, thats the whole point

squod

squod wrote: »

Loads of crazy guys make threats as I've said. So what?

So then there is nothing unusual about this case.

squod wrote: »

If the OP is putting foward a story that is so easily dismissed than it should be easy to back up your counter claim.

And here's the thing, we are only pointing out there is no evidence for any of his claims. You have not shown anything close to evidence. The only thing you have shown is your complete lack of understanding of logic.

If you are going to continue with your insistence that we prove a negative, then prove there is no evidence that unicorns exist.
Shouldn't be too hard, right?

squod wrote: »

As I've said, at the minute, none of you have the lead in the credible stories stakes.

So again our story that this guy was crazy and people on the internet make stuff up isn't credible?

squod

King Mob wrote: »

The only thing you have shown is your complete lack of understanding of logic.

I'm not the one making the counter claim and then flatly refusing to back it up.

King Mob wrote: »

........people on the internet make stuff up.........

Don't they just!

squod

squod wrote: »

I'm not the one making the counter claim and then flatly refusing to back it up.

No you're just not reading any of our posts.
What you are asking doesn't make sense logically.

Can you prove there is no evidence that unicorns exist?
Why do you keep ignoring this question?
Is it because you know that it doesn't make sense?

squod wrote: »

Don't they just!

So we agree that people make stuff up and that crazy people make bomb threats.
So why is the idea that this is exactly the case here so far fetched?

indough

there is no counter claim, there doesnt have to be

nullzero

The first few posts here were interesting and made some valid points about an interesting subject, regardless of it's merits in terms of logic and or legitimacy.
It's dissapointing that the thread descended into the usual mess if bullies ganging up on people and demanding proof of something that is rather vague to begin with.

On one level it's good to be paranoid about things like vacinations etc... as opposed to just taking everything offered to you. Your paranoia might not be warranted, but an open mind is never a bad thing regardless of what some people might like you to think.

I'll stand aside and allow the "discussion" to continue.

indough

nullzero wrote: »

On one level it's good to be paranoid about things like vacinations etc... as opposed to just taking everything offered to you.

you mean like scare stories with no supporting evidence?

nullzero wrote: »

Your paranoia might not be warranted, but an open mind is never a bad thing regardless of what some people might like you to think.

it is if your brain falls out

nullzero

indough wrote: »

you mean like scare stories with no supporting evidence?



it is if your brain falls out

You're not a very nice person and it's evident in the way in which you post here.
Do you speak to people in this manner in everyday life?
If you do, you must get punched in the face a lot.
Nothing quite as cool as an internet hard man.
Why don't you try treating people with repsect?

Edit: I just noticed your partner in crime King Mob thanked your "funny" little post.
How very clever of the two of you.
You're both as bad as each other, it's a disgrace that you're allowed to behave the way you do on this forum, just bully everyone who disagree's with you. It's shameful and childish.

indough

what are you talking about seriously? people in everyday life dont go on about ridiculous conspiracy theories without providing any evidence whatsoever, thats a phenomenon pretty much exclusive to the internet

and no i dont get punched in the face much, if you saw me in person youd understand, but yeah lets assume only four eyed skinny nerds know how to use the internet

and no, the irony of you accusing me of trying to be an internet hardman in that post is not lost

nullzero

indough wrote: »

what are you talking about seriously? people in everyday life dont go on about ridiculous conspiracy theories without providing any evidence whatsoever, thats a phenomenon pretty much exclusive to the internet

and no i dont get punched in the face much, if you saw me in person youd understand, but yeah lets assume only four eyed skinny nerds know how to use the internet

and no, the irony of you accusing me of trying to be an internet hardman in that post is not lost

People can talk about whatever they like in everyday life, includin crazy conspiracy theories amongst other things.
Just because you dont agree with them doesn't give you a mandate to act like a prick.
I'm sure you're a really big tough bastard and people dont mess with you, I'm sure you're very intimidating and scary, and if I saw you I'd **** in my pants and run like a girl.
You're pathetic.
I'm not a skinny little nerd either, whatever that has to do with anything.
If you disagree with what people say and they're not offering reasonable answers just ignore them. Why act like a fvcking bully?

This topic is interesting, but no one is telling you that you must belive it or else. So do the logical thing and ignore it.

indough

so the logical thing is that only people who agree with the theories post in the threads?

when did this become the 'what nullzero thinks other people should be allowed post' forum btw? i must have missed that one

btw i am not acting like a prick, i am a prick, your posts are not making you come off any better to be honest

and since when has asking someone for a bit of proof the same as bullying?

to the mods im sorry for going so off topic ill leave it at this though

squod

King Mob wrote: »

No you're just not reading any of our posts.
What you are asking doesn't make sense logically.

As I've said I cannot disprove one word of what the OP is saying. However you've put foward a counter claim which you refuse to back up. I simply can't see how this advances or detracts fom the OPs claim. If you aim is to dismiss the OPs story than do so.

squod

squod wrote: »

As I've said I cannot disprove one word of what the OP is saying.

And you can't disprove unicorns, faeries or anything made up off the top of my head.

squod wrote: »

However you've put foward a counter claim which you refuse to back up. I simply can't see how this advances or detracts fom the OPs claim.

And what is my counter claim exactly?

squod wrote: »

If you aim is to dismiss the OPs story than do so.

Ok.
There's no evidence to support any of the claims.

squod

King Mob wrote: »

There's no evidence to support any of the claims.

Which is what I said many, many posts back.

squod wrote: »

Yeah, I'm gonna say that your story is unsubstantiated or nonsensical, then I'm not gonna provide any contrary evidence which supports my claim.....:rolleyes:

squod wrote: »

The point I'm making is that is that I couldn't make a claim about the story.............

squod wrote: »

In other words what exactly leads you to believe that the OPs story is nonsense?

EXODUS251022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb57H0J2JI4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb57H0J2JI4

Here's a video. If the police thought there was a bomb in that car they are idiots, they obviously didn't think there was a bomb in the car.
So the "They thought there was a bomb in the car" excuse is ridiculous, the cop standing with his gun pointing at the car and shades on looks cool and tough but can he withstand a bomb exploding?.
Now look at the date the video was posted on youtube 20th August 2009, 7 days after the event and over 3 months ago.

Now whether or not the man is THE Joseph Moshe or not, how did he withstand the pepperspray and teargas?. This is NOT NORMAL. And if it is NOT NORMAL what is the explanation to his natural immunity to pepperspray and teargas?, don't ask me to explain how he did it because I don't know, but there are a lot more questions than answers, and although some may try say there is no story, there certainly is a story, but nobody in the media want's to talk about it anymore, it's vanished.
I have searched for a statement from the real Joseph Bar Moshe and can't find one, either he's in outerspace or doesn't care that LOT'S of people on the internet claim it was him that was in the VERY HIGH PROFILE ARREST.

Whether or not it is infact him it's still a very strange story, at the same time as this incident was happening,the internet was hopping that he was a scientist who was heading to the Israeli embassy which is located on the same street that he was arrested on and that he had been on the radio a few nights previous warning against a vaccine in the Ukraine, if he turn's out to be joe the plumber it's still strange that joe or somebody pedicted something in the Ukraine and here we are 3 months later and there is a mystery plague in the Ukraine.

Joseph Bar Moshe

There are 000000's of links on the net to this story, but not one explains in a non conspiracy way exactly what happened or how average joe took the chemicals (which are designed and very effective at disabling a person) he did.

So if anybody can answer these questions

1) How did this man withstand chemical agents?

2) How did "somebody" know in August about something gripping Ukraine NOW?

3) How do dark glasses protect a person from a bomb?

squod

squod wrote: »

Which is what I said many, many posts back.

What are you talking about?
None of those quotes have anything to do with that statement.

squod

King Mob wrote: »

What are you talking about?
None of those quotes have anything to do with that statement.

None of those quotes have anything to do with that statement in your opinion. That's your judgement. As we've already agreed your judgment can be wrong.

King Mob wrote: »

Ok.
There's no evidence to support any of the claims.

squod

EXODUS251022 wrote: »

There are 000000's of links on the net to this story,

Do you have any newspaper articles from NY Times etc by any chance?