Battle of the Sexes

JP Liz

Battle of the Sexes is a new two-part series presented by Miriam O'Callaghan and Ray D'Arcy exploring the state of the modern Irish man, the modern Irish woman and their relationships with one another.
In the past four decades, Irish society has changed fundamentally and the clear lines that once set apart traditional male and female roles have blurred significantly. The big questions are whether these changes have been entirely positive for both sexes or if Irish men and women are now struggling to make sense of their evolving roles in an even more rapidly changing world.
To try and understand this better, RTÉ commissioned a survey of over 1,000 men and women nationwide, asking them about everything from how they rate the opposite sex in bed to whether the sexes will ever be truly equal in the home and the workplace.
In the first programme, Mná na hÉireann join Miriam O Callaghan to analyse their men: Is the modern Irish male struggling for a role? For a purpose? Is masculinity in crisis or are Irish men still enjoying unequal power and privilege? How are they performing as parents, lovers, partners? And exactly how attractive is an Irishman in a county jersey?
In the second programme, the men of Ireland join Ray D'Arcy to have their say: asking whether women demand too much? Are they ever happy? Do they focus too much on irrelevant details like housework and celebrity gossip? The men speak frankly about sex and love and about whether it is time to let go the reins of power and try to create a society that is really equal.
Battle of the Sexes is a fun, entertaining, lively and relevant debate about the state of play between the sexes in modern Ireland. In each programme, 15 invited guests, a mix of fresh, incisive commentators and ordinary people from around the country lead the charge.

Starts Sunday night at 9.30 on RTE 1

mikom

Fannys Vs. pricks.

ronnie3585

More pontificating from D'Arcy.

The cock.

europerson

This looks to be absolutely atrocious.

jimmyw

Bring back the "clinic", quick!!!:rolleyes:

More pontificating from D'Arcy

Will this word be used more thanks to a certain person on the LLS??

panda100

My ex boyfriend is on the panel. He had yer typical views when it came to women.
The panels just look full of z list celebs and journalists. What could be a genuine debate will now be your stereotypical man vs women bashing.

Sandwich

Seems to be doing its best to perpetuate the stereotypes.
RTE reaches down to the Sunday World market.

hairy cake

Obviously this show is aimed at those that find Ryan Tubridy intellectual and thoughtful.

K4t

Claire Tully is pretty hot.

That's all I have to say about this vile tv.

Proxy

Said it many times before - only women will turn you off women.

Elba101

K4t wrote: »

Claire Tully is pretty hot.

She's a nice person too!

NormanNicetouch

Holy sh*t. Rampant rabbits and Miriam O'Callaghan in the same programme. On RTE on a Sunday night. That just seems so wrong on so many levels.

The Prophet

"Men haven't a clue with romance!"
/cliched jab to get nods of agreement

"Women expect us to be mind-readers!"
/cliched jab to get nods of agreement



Ugh. These kinds of lowbrow soundbite "x VS. y" panel shows are invariably unenlightening cheap schedule-stuffing crap.

FearDark

Men bashing crap. Women are idiots.

antomorro-sei

This show is pathetic.

amacachi

FearDark wrote: »

Men bashing crap. Women are idiots.

That deserved a thanks. :pac:

laugh

What a massive bitch in!

Cianos

K4t wrote: »

Claire Tully is pretty hot.

That's all I have to say about this vile tv.

"If he's over 30 and doesn't have a car, he's obviously a waster blah blah" ... how materialistic and narrow minded can one be?

FouxDaFaFa

I don't know where they found the women to appear on this but I found the general man-bashing tone pretty embarrassing.And I'm a woman.

Cianos

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I don't know where they found the women to appear on this but I found the general man-bashing tone pretty embarrassing.And I'm a woman.

I think it was more the production and editing that gave that impression than the actual speakers. In saying that though there were a couple of people who seemed to be out for the kill :pac:

amacachi

Cianos wrote: »

I think it was more the production and editing that gave that impression than the actual speakers. In saying that though there were a couple of people who seemed to be out for the kill :pac:

Hard to edit or produce smug expressions like they had.
Annoyed to have missed the lads, how'd they go?

Cianos

amacachi wrote: »

Hard to edit or produce smug expressions like they had.
Annoyed to have missed the lads, how'd they go?

I think that's next week.

panda100

What women did they get to speak on it?

amacachi

Cianos wrote: »

I think that's next week.

Ah right, thought it'd be a bit of both each week.

SeanOBigMan

jimmyw wrote: »

Bring back the "clinic", quick!!!:rolleyes:

More pontificating from D'Arcy

Will this word be used more thanks to a certain person on the LLS??

The Clinic has been cancelled by RTE. That was the very last episode. Ever. Really gutted about it. I think it's a huge mistake. The Clinic was maybe the best drama RTE have ever done and now they've got rid of it. Apparently ratings were down this year a bit. X Factor extra (those terrible bloody twins) took away a chunk of the audience. So now The Clinic's gone. A real shame.

zuroph

next week, Whites versus Blacks in "Battle of the Races". :pac:

RTE anger me so much.

Jip

I watched the first 15 minutes of this to see what it was like, jaysus it was awful, but more importantly what's the point of such a program ?

focusfan

So that we can amaze at how cosmopolitan and diverse we are. It was so educational up there with World at War and Life on Earth, most informative programme of the decade. RTE are the best

WindSock

panda100 wrote: »

What women did they get to speak on it?

A Housewife of the year
A Lapdancer
A woman from IVenus.com
A glamour bimbo
A barrister
And a Womens Council woman.

Probably more but I can't remember.

What annoyed me was they were all (not all, most) talking about men not tidying up or doing housework.
Then they showed a clip of a woman who works 9-4 annd does all the housework with 4 kids while her husband is on the farm all day.
She was tying the shoelaces of a kid perfectly capable of doing it him or herself.

Stop moaning if you are enabling it!

The only decent point touched on was to have structural changes to allow men and women to work and have time for their kids. Unfortunately no one elaborated on what to do about it.

what about the woman whose caption was "works in I.T" - she was so annoying - going on about Irish men and dating etc. she was such a pain in the hole - no wonder that she's single (and bitter).

as as for the lapdancer and topless page 3 / glamour model - how did they ever expect to be taken seriously....

they were some balanced viewpoints but very few and far between.....

I would be surprised if the male version next week was as unbalanced...

opinion guy

focusfan wrote: »

So that we can amaze at how cosmopolitan and diverse we are. It was so educational up there with World at War and Life on Earth, most informative programme of the decade. RTE are the best

Yes I can't for the life of me figure out how they are classifiying this program as "educational"

going on about Irish men and dating etc. she was such a pain in the hole - no wonder that she's single (and bitter)

yeah i was wondering that about several of them


Alright so. The glamour model Claire Watsit. She made some crack about irish men not being classy. This from the chick who gets her kit off for money. Really ? Seriously ? The chick who takes her clothes off for cash ir pontificating about class. I don't mean to be judgemental at all now, if you want to make money that way, more power to you, but i'm struggling to think of a context in which getting naked for cash is considered classy. Am I wrong ?



Best bit of the program was the soundbite from the zookeeper: What do I look for in a woman ? "Pretty much the same thing i look for in a gorilla. Hairy chest, hariy feet and one that runs around banging her chest! " :eek::D:D



Edit:

I would be surprised if the male version next week was as unbalanced...

I suspect it will be atrocious. But I hope its dignified and intelligent just so we aren't portrayed as badly as the ladies were :P


hmm I actually thought the sylist one Roxanne something was kinda good

Jezzington

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I don't know where they found the women to appear on this but I found the general man-bashing tone pretty embarrassing.And I'm a woman.

With that gormless politically correct coward Ray Arsey "in charge" of the male retort next week, I think it's fair to say the male bashing will continue rather than end ;-)

To be honest, I think I can get away with the Liveline cliche "I didn't see it Joe, but..." as coming from RTÉ, the home of The Panel, Ryan Confidential, I Dare Ya, Podge and Rodge, Fair City, Katherine Lynch et al, one doesn't really need to look at one of their shows to know that it is going to be vile cack regardless of the context. I can imagine it'll be the usual hand-picked fame hungry cretins packaged in a certain way, "empowered" women like Tully trying to justify why she should be taken seriously while engaging in every disgusting anti-male cliche imaginable, while next week (we hardly need a crystal ball...) the men will miraculously "confirm" Tully's fears about males by being boorish perfectly on-cue, talking about nothing but football and lager, and pathetically smiling in agreement when a male bashing comment is made. Put it this way, I can't imagine that doormat Ray bringing up a subject like fathers' rights, female violence against men, or the vile way males are often portrayed in ads. The outcome of this show was already determined a long long time before it even went into production. All men and women with anything happening between their ears will avoid it like a dose of ebola.

opinion guy

Cianos wrote: »

"If he's over 30 and doesn't have a car, he's obviously a waster blah blah" ... how materialistic and narrow minded can one be?

well even the other women in studio weren't having that one and they had to cut to voiceover almost straight away - lol

opinion guy

opinion guy wrote: »

well even the other women in studio weren't having that one and they had to cut to voiceover almost straight away - lol

well it was the "glamour model" aka classy lady who said that. In her case it is understandable that she will need some poor sod to pay all the bills after her baps aren't quite as firm as they used to be and her short career is over.

santana75

Cianos wrote: »

"If he's over 30 and doesn't have a car, he's obviously a waster blah blah" ... how materialistic and narrow minded can one be?

+1.

Yeah I saw that alright. Is she for real? So in claire's view Gandhi, the man who led the Indian revolts against the British, was a waster because he didnt have a jammer? What a way to look at the world. The caption said that shes single........with an attitude like that she'll be single for a long time.

Cianos

santana75 wrote: »

+1.

Yeah I saw that alright. Is she for real? So in claire's view Gandhi, the man who led the Indian revolts against the British, was a waster because he didnt have a jammer? What a way to look at the world. The caption said that shes single........with an attitude like that she'll be single for a long time.

That's what I thought too after she said it...how empty must a life be that the only operable axis of positivity is material gain. But I guess in a way it's a reflection of how the person perceives the world to perceive them, and further, their placement within the world. If someone feels their only worth is fickle and materialistic (e.g being a 'glamour' model), then eventually they will assess others by those qualities as well because we engineer our lives by how we feel how we compare with others in relation to the qualities we ourselves share.

PYRO#1

She hasn't changed her tune either, she practically quoted herself from the summer interview! She is so far up her own.....................

PRINCESS:eek:

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/love-sex/claire-tully-what-a-girl-wants-1764751.html

jimmyw

Yeah a right stupid, dumb blonde bitch.

994

WindSock wrote: »

Then they showed a clip of a woman who works 9-4 annd does all the housework with 4 kids while her husband is on the farm all day.
She was tying the shoelaces of a kid perfectly capable of doing it him or herself.

Stop moaning if you are enabling it!

In any case it's hardly the best example of an ungrateful idle husband, your typical farmer does 50-60 hours a week

Henry Chinaski

What if you have a car but it's an old, clapped out piece of ****(a bit like her)...would that do?

WindSock

994 wrote: »

In any case it's hardly the best example of an ungrateful idle husband, your typical farmer does 50-60 hours a week

To clarify, the woman in the clip wasn't moaning about her husband. It was a lot of the other women from the vox pop and on the panel, but that clip sort of showed (to me) why it is as it is.



And as for people giving out about Claire Tully....

Is it because of her occupation that people on here are so angry at her?

Granted I called her a glamour bimbo, I never heard of her before. Her comments seemed a bit silly, but why is there such vitriol? If she were more tactful she could have said she is not attracted to a man who has little to show for himself and little motivation. That's not being materialistic, imo.
I'd hardly call her old either. She's 23 or something.

Cianos

WindSock wrote: »

To clarify, the woman in the clip wasn't moaning about her husband. It was a lot of the other women from the vox pop and on the panel, but that clip sort of showed (to me) why it is as it is.



And as for people giving out about Claire Tully....

Is it because of her occupation that people on here are so angry at her?

Granted I called her a glamour bimbo, I never heard of her before. Her comments seemed a bit silly, but why is there such vitriol? If she were more tactful she could have said she is not attracted to a man who has little to show for himself and little motivation. That's not being materialistic, imo.
I'd hardly call her old either. She's 23 or something.

But it's the narrow mindedness of her view that motivation = material gain. What about motivated volunteers, motivated artists, motivated academics and so on.

WindSock

Cianos wrote: »

But it's the narrow mindedness of her view that motivation = material gain. What about motivated volunteers, motivated artists, motivated academics and so on.

She was also talking about having him provide for her and the child/ren had they a family. Assuming she would have to quit getting her jabbers out once there is a baby stuck to them.

santana75

WindSock wrote: »

She was also talking about having him provide for her and the child/ren had they a family. Assuming she would have to quit getting her jabbers out once there is a baby stuck to them.

I understand what youre saying windsock but I really dont think theres any defending her on this one. Even the other women jumped in and told het to get out of it. It was a very narrow minded view of people and the world, thats whats got everybody slagging her off, I really dont think it has anything to do with her occupation.

DaBreno

WindSock wrote: »

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And as for people giving out about Claire Tully....

Is it because of her occupation that people on here are so angry at her?

Not a bit. Its because she suggests any man who has not "achieved" material success at 30 is a failure.

Horrible person, regardless of her occupation.

donster79

The IT "consultant" ahem one obviously does not understand the concept of irony anyway judging by her comment at 6mins 20 secs...


http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1060709

Johnny Giles

Ready for the men TONIGHT.

Cianos

Johnny Giles wrote: »

Ready for the men TONIGHT.

Probably gonna be worse than the women in fairness.

OutlawPete

Men's turn lads!!! Wooo hoooo.

It's on now!!

Ladies take note

Johnny Giles

What is this joker flapping on about.

df1985

ha he speaks the truth!