Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike

spotdedog

I was reading that the Dublin Fire Brigade are giving "emergency cover" on the day of the strike, surly any time the Fire Brigade turn out it's an emergency. I think they should be governed by the same rules as the Guardi ie no strike. If teachers strike nobody dies, the Fire crews nation wide are an essitional service Dublin Fire Brigade provide the Ambulance cover aswell. The money they get paid is good not great just good, some of the sights they see i think deserves the monies paid. Just my thoughts what do ye think

Tipp Man

As a person i am fairly anti union and anti striking, I don't want to see unions abolished but i feel they have lost sight of their usefullness

So with that in mind i can't for the life of me understand how they can condone a pre-emptive strike, its like the cold war except the unions aren't taking the chance that the yanks won't fire first.

I don't now how anybody can justify going on strike next week.

Whats going to happen after the budget when the cuts that are being bandied about are actually going to materialise??? will it be weeks of strikes??

P. Breathnach

spotdedog wrote: »

I was reading that the Dublin Fire Brigade are giving "emergency cover" on the day of the strike, surly any time the Fire Brigade turn out it's an emergency. ...

I won't comment on the general point, but I suggest that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed.

tunney

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I won't comment on the general point, but I suggest that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed.

And the fact that the shed is empty will be decided after the strike? And the fire?

jimmmy

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I won't comment on the general point, but I suggest that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed.

So people who ring 999 and ask for a fire brigade will be asked if the building is occupied or not , before the fire brigade twiddle their thumbs and make up their mind if they should begrudingly go or not ? Charming people

tomcollins97

in short, public servants (civil servent) should, as in France, not be allowed to strike.

jimmmy

I see the people who give the swine flu vaccine are going on strike too.

Suppose someone who would otherwise get the vaccine that day, gets swine fue in due course and heaven forbid dies....will the HSE care ? Its statistically quite possible given the number who have already died. Shame on the public sector involved.

Scofflaw

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I won't comment on the general point, but I suggest that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed.

More that the fire brigade do a lot of things that really aren't emergency work. Don't let your kitten climb trees on the 24th.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Riskymove

spotdedog wrote: »

I was reading that the Dublin Fire Brigade are giving "emergency cover" on the day of the strike, surly any time the Fire Brigade turn out it's an emergency.

its an unfortunate term alright in this context

my understanding is that these services will be providing the most basic level of service required and still be able to respond

its referred to as "Christmas Day" levels elsewhere!!:pac:

Paulzx

Riskymove wrote: »

its an unfortunate term alright in this context

my understanding is that these services will be providing the most basic level of service required and still be able to respond

its referred to as "Christmas Day" levels elsewhere!!:pac:

" Christmas Day" cover for Dublin fire Brigade is exactly the same as the cover provided 24hrs per day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks of the year.

This means that Jimmmy's house in Spiteville is as safe as any other day

Riskymove

Paulzx wrote: »

" Christmas Day" cover for Dublin fire Brigade is exactly the same as the cover provided 24hrs per day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks

fair enough

P. Breathnach

jimmmy wrote: »

So people who ring 999 and ask for a fire brigade will be asked if the building is occupied or not , before the fire brigade twiddle their thumbs and make up their mind if they should begrudingly go or not ? Charming people

I have never had reason to call on the fire service but, if I did, I would expect them to ask about the emergency I was asking them to deal with in order that they might make an appropriate response.

trad

They went on strike in 1987 and fire services were provided by the Army with Garda assistance, went on for a few weeks as far as I can recall.

Paulzx

6 weeks in 1988

dfbemt

jimmmy wrote: »

So people who ring 999 and ask for a fire brigade will be asked if the building is occupied or not , before the fire brigade twiddle their thumbs and make up their mind if they should begrudingly go or not ? Charming people

As is normal Jimmmy. We call it additional information, no 2 incidents are the same but with blinkers on you would never understand that.

All fire services on 24th will respond to life threatening calls or any other calls that appear serious enough to require a response. For this firefighters will not get paid thus saving the country millions.

Is this acceptable jimmmy? Glad to be doing our bit

SLUSK

spotdedog wrote: »

I was reading that the Dublin Fire Brigade are giving "emergency cover" on the day of the strike, surly any time the Fire Brigade turn out it's an emergency. I think they should be governed by the same rules as the Guardi ie no strike. If teachers strike nobody dies, the Fire crews nation wide are an essitional service Dublin Fire Brigade provide the Ambulance cover aswell. The money they get paid is good not great just good, some of the sights they see i think deserves the monies paid. Just my thoughts what do ye think

I have a good solllution. Unions should be allowed to strike AND employers should be allowed to fire striking employees, good sollution.

jimmmy

dfbemt wrote: »

All fire services on 24th will respond to life threatening calls or any other calls that appear serious enough to require a response.

But if a property is on fire with nobody in it, will the fire brigade on the 24th bother going to put out the fire ? It would be nice to know before the 24th if a building does go on fire if the fire brigade would respond or not ?

And what about the people who give the swine flu vaccine ...they are going on strike too. I made the point suppose someone who would otherwise get the vaccine that day, gets swine fue in due course ( as is very possible ) and heaven forbid dies....will the HSE care ?

murf313

so basically you want the full services that the fire brigade etc. provide but want them to do it for less money??? The fire brigade have as much right to strike as anyone else if their terms of employment are being threatened.

jimmmy

murf313 wrote: »

so basically you want the full services that the fire brigade etc. provide but want them to do it for less money???

You can be as confused as you want, , but yes, strange as it may seem, given that government borrowing is unsustainable, public sector wages do indeed have to fall back, given prices have decreased in the economy so much in the past year alone, and given our public servants are paid 40% more than the eurozone average.( source : eurostat)

murf313

jimmmy wrote: »

You can be as confused as you want, , but yes, strange as it may seem, given that government borrowing is unsustainable, public sector wages do indeed have to fall back, given prices have decreased in the economy so much in the past year alone, and given our public servants are paid 40% more than the eurozone average.( source : eurostat)

yawn..... why dont you find something new to say if you have to say anything at all.

I bet you were'nt working for 48hrs straight down in Galway/Cork rescuing people from their flooded homes. Alot of emergency services personnel who wernt on duty spent their own time (NOT GETTING PAID) volunteering.

I bet the fire brigade wont be so lazy the time you have to ring 999 in an emergency. I bet they will still come to your aid no matter what!

Paulzx

jimmmy wrote: »

But if a property is on fire with nobody in it, will the fire brigade on the 24th bother going to put out the fire ? It would be nice to know before the 24th if a building does go on fire if the fire brigade would respond or not ?

?

Can you not read or something? It has been stated already in this thread that full cover will be provided. Now, if you are too thick to understand that well thats not my problem. You're too busy quoting your dogged mantra to bother reading the replies to your rants.

jimmmy

Paulzx wrote: »

It has been stated already in this thread that full cover will be provided.

There seems to be a bit of confusion eg one poster ( with a public service background ) wrote "that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed. ". Another poster referred to Christmas day levels etc. Glad to know that the fire brigade will still be responding to emergencies on the 24th. Maybe there will be no cats up trees rescued that day but we can all live with that.

Riskymove

jimmmy wrote: »

There seems to be a bit of confusion eg one poster ( with a public service background ) wrote "that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed. ". Another poster referred to Christmas day levels etc. Glad to know that the fire brigade will still be responding to emergencies on the 24th. Maybe there will be no cats up trees rescued that day but we can all live with that.

jimmmy,

just because I work in the public sector does not mean I know anything about being a firefighter or fire service operational plans

soden12

jimmmy wrote: »

So people who ring 999 and ask for a fire brigade will be asked if the building is occupied or not , before the fire brigade twiddle their thumbs and make up their mind if they should begrudingly go or not ? Charming people

jimmmy you are an asshole.

You are doing great harm to the cause of those of us are trying to agitate for change in the public service and the banks.

Your simplistic diatribes are of benefit to no-one and it shames me to know you - in real life you seem much more normal.

jimmmy

Riskymove wrote: »

jimmmy,

just because I work in the public sector does not mean I know anything about being a firefighter or fire service operational plans

Riskymove, I never said or implied you did. It was someone else who wrote about ""that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed. "

Anyway, glad to know that the fire brigade will still be responding to emergencies on the 24th.

jimmmy

soden12 wrote: »

jimmmy you are an asshole.

Charming

soden12 wrote: »

You are doing great harm to the cause of those of us are trying to agitate for change in the public service and the banks.

Your simplistic diatribes are of benefit to no-one and it shames me to know you - in real life you seem much more normal.

In real life you do not know me.

soden12

jimmmy wrote: »

In real life you do not know me.

Oh but I do. Still I won't blow your cover.

irish_bob

murf313 wrote: »

so basically you want the full services that the fire brigade etc. provide but want them to do it for less money??? The fire brigade have as much right to strike as anyone else if their terms of employment are being threatened.

thats what happens in rescessionary times , you work harder for less money , the firemen like the rest of the public sector should just get on with it and be thankfull they had such a good run during the boom , fact is , the public sectors wage boom lasted a few years longer than everyone elses

jimmmy

soden12 wrote: »

Oh but I do. Still I won't blow your cover.

I can assure you that you do not and your thinly veiled thread is but a crude attempt at blackmail.

irish_bob

murf313 wrote: »

yawn..... why dont you find something new to say if you have to say anything at all.

I bet you were'nt working for 48hrs straight down in Galway/Cork rescuing people from their flooded homes. Alot of emergency services personnel who wernt on duty spent their own time (NOT GETTING PAID) volunteering.

I bet the fire brigade wont be so lazy the time you have to ring 999 in an emergency. I bet they will still come to your aid no matter what!

most of the rescue efforts in the west ( ive relatives over there ) came from volluntary efforts , im not criticising the army or the fire brigade but this was and is a cross community effort and btw , those people who,s property has been destroyed , the goverment should focus on compensating those genuine victims , never mind the 350,000 spoilt brats who plan to walk the nations streets on tuesday

soden12

jimmmy wrote: »

I can assure you that you do not and your thinly veiled thread is but a crude attempt at blackmail.

Relax, I've said my bit - no need to get excited.

Still, who would have thought....

Scofflaw

soden12 wrote: »

jimmmy you are an asshole.

You are doing great harm to the cause of those of us are trying to agitate for change in the public service and the banks.

Your simplistic diatribes are of benefit to no-one and it shames me to know you - in real life you seem much more normal.

Let me make it clear that neither the insult, nor the claim to know jimmmy in real life are acceptable. Many people find that sort of claim unpleasant and worrying, and it can only be proven by blowing the person's cover.

moderately,
Scofflaw

P. Breathnach

jimmmy wrote: »

There seems to be a bit of confusion eg one poster ( with a public service background ) wrote "that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed. "...

My background is quite irrelevant in this context, and I consider your mentioning it to be dishonest. I also said that "I have never had reason to call on the fire service" which makes it clear that I do not have particular knowledge of how the fire service operates.

jimmmy

P. Breathnach wrote: »

My background is quite irrelevant in this context, and I consider your mentioning it to be dishonest. I also said that "I have never had reason to call on the fire service" which makes it clear that I do not have particular knowledge of how the fire service operates.

My reply was in the context as part of the answer to someone who wrote "It has been stated already in this thread that full cover will be provided."
You indeed wrote "that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed. ". Later on in the thread you indeed " have never had reason to call on the fire service".
Like you, I do not have "particular knowledge of how the fire service operates", and neither do I care very much.
I was merely trying to find out for sure if the fire brigade will still be responding to all emergencies on the 24th, and am reassured to have it confirmed on this thread that they will.

jimmycrackcorm

tomcollins97 wrote: »

in short, public servants (civil servent) should, as in France, not be allowed to strike.

They should also be paid relatively the same as the French CS.

jimmmy

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

They should also be paid relatively the same as the French CS.

They would die with the shock !
Its ok to get grants and money from the EC, but do not expect our government or their employees to work for the same rates as the EC.

P. Breathnach

jimmmy wrote: »

My reply was in the context as part of the answer to someone who wrote "It has been stated already in this thread that full cover will be provided."
You indeed wrote "that there is a difference between a fire in an occupied family home and one in a remote storage shed. ". Later on in the thread you indeed " have never had reason to call on the fire service".
Like you, I do not have "particular knowledge of how the fire service operates", and neither do I care very much.
I was merely trying to find out for sure if the fire brigade will still be responding to all emergencies on the 24th, and am reassured to have it confirmed on this thread that they will.

So you admit that your reference to my background was not appropriate?

murf313

irish_bob wrote: »

most of the rescue efforts in the west ( ive relatives over there ) came from volluntary efforts , im not criticising the army or the fire brigade but this was and is a cross community effort and btw , those people who,s property has been destroyed , the goverment should focus on compensating those genuine victims , never mind the 350,000 spoilt brats who plan to walk the nations streets on tuesday

more misinformed crap from jimmmys love child! Where you there??? Because I was. Iwas standing in Balinasloe with water up to my knees helping others for no monetary gain. sure, the civil defence etc. did great work, but there were alot of emergency service personnel working off duty!

But then thats the difference between people who work in the emergency services and people like yourself who just like to whinge online...

irish_bob

murf313 wrote: »

more misinformed crap from jimmmys love child! Where you there??? Because I was. Iwas standing in Balinasloe with water up to my knees helping others for no monetary gain. sure, the civil defence etc. did great work, but there were alot of emergency service personnel working off duty!

But then thats the difference between people who work in the emergency services and people like yourself who just like to whinge online...

you were in one town in one part of the country , we all saw the pictures of farmers slurry tanks sucking up water , i didnt criticise the emergency services , i merley said it was a cross community effort , cant see what your problem is tbh

dfbemt

Can the mods not do something about Jimmmy hijacking every post with his diatribe about the public sector. The Op asked a simple question "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

Then along comes Jimmmy.........

Apart from his sarcastic opening of fire brigade personnel being 'charming people', he then goes off on his usual rant. We had a bit about public service pay

jimmmy wrote: »

You can be as confused as you want, , but yes, strange as it may seem, given that government borrowing is unsustainable, public sector wages do indeed have to fall back, given prices have decreased in the economy so much in the past year alone, and given our public servants are paid 40% more than the eurozone average.( source : eurostat)

What has this got to do with "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

We also got a few lines about the swine flu vaccine

jimmmy wrote: »

I see the people who give the swine flu vaccine are going on strike too.

Suppose someone who would otherwise get the vaccine that day, gets swine fue in due course and heaven forbid dies....will the HSE care ? Its statistically quite possible given the number who have already died. Shame on the public sector involved.

Again I ask what has this got to do with "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

And then his best so far, a classic

jimmmy wrote: »

They would die with the shock !
Its ok to get grants and money from the EC, but do not expect our government or their employees to work for the same rates as the EC.

Completely irrelevant to what the OP had asked - "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

I implore you mods to stop the Jimmmy show, least nobody be willing to start any kind of a sensible thread for fear of it being hijacked by the almighty Jimmmy. PLEASE

ghost_ie

SLUSK wrote: »

I have a good solllution. Unions should be allowed to strike AND employers should be allowed to fire striking employees, good sollution.

And when they've fired all the fire brigade personnell, nurses, prison officers, teachers etc. who strike, who do you propose would man our emergency services, hospitals, prisons and schools?

dresden8

dfbemt wrote: »

Can the mods not do something about Jimmmy hijacking every post with his diatribe about the public sector. The Op asked a simple question "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

Then along comes Jimmmy.........

Apart from his sarcastic opening of fire brigade personnel being 'charming people', he then goes off on his usual rant. We had a bit about public service pay



What has this got to do with "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

We also got a few lines about the swine flu vaccine



Again I ask what has this got to do with "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

And then his best so far, a classic



Completely irrelevant to what the OP had asked - "Should the fire brigade be allowed to strike"?

I implore you mods to stop the Jimmmy show, least nobody be willing to start any kind of a sensible thread for fear of it being hijacked by the almighty Jimmmy. PLEASE

Jeez, now you'll start him on his "public servants are trying to silence me" rant. (Public servants who caused the property bubble yadda yadda yadda).

P. Breathnach

dresden8 wrote: »

Jeez, now you'll start him on his "public servants are trying to silence me" rant. (Public servants who caused the property bubble yadda yadda yadda).

Well, the function of public service is to ensure that the needs of the public are served in the best way possible.

nesf

dfbemt wrote: »

Can the mods not do something about Jimmmy hijacking every post with his diatribe about the public sector.

I would be lying if I said I haven't given it serious thought and I wouldn't exactly be a public sector union sympathiser.

And yes jimmmy, consider this a not very veiled warning about constantly dragging threads away from discussion and into rant territory.

Sleepy

I would certainly support any proposed legislation preventing the fire brigade, doctors, nurses, gardaí, army, coast guard and any emergency service I've forgotten (think mountain rescue and life boat crews are entirely voluntary?) from striking.

We live in a country with strong employee protection laws, unions have served their purpose and can be done away with now.

nesf

Sleepy wrote: »

I would certainly support any proposed legislation preventing the fire brigade, doctors, nurses, gardaí, army, coast guard and any emergency service I've forgotten (think mountain rescue and life boat crews are entirely voluntary?) from striking.

We live in a country with strong employee protection laws, unions have served their purpose and can be done away with now.

The Army cannot strike, further to that they can't have anything resembling a union. Doctors, nurses et al can strike but I think they are required to provide emergency cover by law (though I could be wrong and this might just be convention/tradition/agreement between the unions and the Government).

nesf

murf313 wrote: »

The fire brigade have as much right to strike as anyone else if their terms of employment are being threatened.

Yeah but it's hardly the same to compare them to a normal private sector worker who could put on a full strike without it being dangerous for anyone. They have responsibilities to the public far in excess of anything you'd see in the private sector.

dresden8

Do nurses who are "on strike" but providing emergency services not forfeit their pay for the day anyway, on the basis that they are on strike but only providing emergency cover?

I heard this before but I'm not sure if this is true, nor does it apply to other emergency workers.

Can somebody please confirm, with a link, or it'll turn into another public sector/union lie so beloved of irish_bob and jimmmy.

dresden8

nesf wrote: »

Yeah but it's hardly the same to compare them to a normal private sector worker who could put on a full strike without it being dangerous for anyone. They have responsibilities to the public far in excess of anything you'd see in the private sector.

Say it loud, say it proud sister.

So public sector have responsibilites far in excess of anything you'd see in the private sector. You don't mind if I quote you extensively?

P. Breathnach

dresden8 wrote: »

Say it loud, say it proud sister.

So public sector have responsibilites far in excess of anything you'd see in the private sector. You don't mind if I quote you extensively?

It's for nesf to answer your question, but I wish you wouldn't shout.

dresden8

P. Breathnach wrote: »

It's for nesf to answer your question, but I wish you wouldn't shout.

I was saying it loud and proud. Girlfriend.