eyefinity - holy crap!

zappb

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTI1ODQ5OTg1NkJiV3FOdkVhR1JfOF8xX2wuanBn

leninbenjamin

have you being living underground for the past 6 months?

I think it's a wee bit of a gimmick myself (at least for gamers, it has tons of other applications I know). The black plastic between screens would get really annoying for me.

Cuddlesworth

leninbenjamin wrote: »

have you being living underground for the past 6 months?

I think it's a wee bit of a gimmick myself (at least for gamers, it has tons of other applications I know). The black plastic between screens would get really annoying for me.

You can remove the lcds from their housing, the actual distance between 2 panels could be down to 6 or 7 mil. I have tons here in work I could do this with.

leninbenjamin

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

You can remove the lcds from their housing, the actual distance between 2 panels could be down to 6 or 7 mil. I have tons here in work I could do this with.

A line dividing a screen is still a line dividing a screen imo. A 1mm gap would annoy me almost as much as a 1cm gap. Maybe I'm just a hell of a lot fussier than others...

Kintarō Hattori

leninbenjamin wrote: »

A line dividing a screen is still a line dividing a screen imo. A 1mm gap would annoy me almost as much as a 1cm gap. Maybe I'm just a hell of a lot fussier than others...

I think so. :pac:

youcancallmeal

It wouldnt appeal to me even though I use dual monitors, Windows 7 handles them fine anyway. I think you really only start to see the benefit from 3 or even 4 monitors and up! Gaming across multiple screens is just a gimmick imo. The only time its good is if say you are playing an FPS/RTS and have the main action on one screen and maybe a map on the other (Supreme Commander is a good example of this). For this you wouldnt even need eyefinity as it would be built into the game anyway. To sum up eyefinity is really just for a niche market of users.

Leman_Russ

IIRC you can get custom made malarky to get rid of those lines.

Blazher

You only think the line would do your head in,

But trust me it doesn't . When it comes to Sround gaming, You play with your main monitor in the mid like normal but you have another 2 monitors 1 on each side, That you glance at.

After about 2 mins you dont see anything, Because your part of the game.

You used to have to get TH2Go but now there is no need.

Eyefinity is still new however. I would wait till it supported Crossfire and when they get bezel management sorted out.

Put it this way, Its a step in the right direction.


PS:: ATI are getting Eyefinity Monitors made,

Effluo

Yeah i would think the same too.

I've got no experience with more than one monitor but i'd say it'd just be like everything else. You get used to it!

The only thing is that for the price of 3, 22" monitors you could get a really nice 32" or 37" or even 42"! So which to get is the question

Leman_Russ

Effluo wrote: »

Yeah i would think the same too.

I've got no experience with more than one monitor but i'd say it'd just be like everything else. You get used to it!

The only thing is that for the price of 3, 22" monitors you could get a really nice 32" or 37" or even 42"! So which to get is the question

3 22" monitors.

More width is better than hight, as human vision is wider than it is tall anyway

Effluo

Leman_Russ wrote: »

3 22" monitors.

What's wrong with 3 of them!!!

Oh i meant 3 22" full hd monitors!

Blazher

You want 3 x 1920x1200 Res Monitors, be it 22" or 24" being the sweet spot, But 24" monitors are not cheap.


What would really be the dogs bejigles!! Would be 3x24" Monitors at 120Mhz


But you can get 3x22" monitors not for 380 euro all in. 22" monitors are super cheap.

And once ATI release the Eyefinity monitor that will drive prices down even more.


I say this time next year every gamer will be SROUND gaming

lmimmfn

Eyefinity needs 1 screen that has a Display Port connector, if you only have DVI then you need an expensive active converter( currently Dell one for laptops works but its costs 120-130euro ).

Ive a 3 monitor setup( had an old 19" in the office and bought another cheap ), 1x22" and 2x19" and you can use SoftTH to run in tripple screen, this is my setup playing Grid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlp0-pbijjM

If can pickup a cheap 22" display port screen ill use my 5850 and eyefinity, but ATI also said they'll try and partner with a company for cheap active display port->DVI adapters.

Blazher

lmimmfn wrote: »

Eyefinity needs 1 screen that has a Display Port connector, if you only have DVI then you need an expensive active converter( currently Dell one for laptops works but its costs 120-130euro ).

Ive a 3 monitor setup( had an old 19" in the office and bought another cheap ), 1x22" and 2x19" and you can use SoftTH to run in tripple screen, this is my setup playing Grid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlp0-pbijjM

If can pickup a cheap 22" display port screen ill use my 5850 and eyefinity, but ATI also said they'll try and partner with a company for cheap active display port->DVI adapters.

They are going one step forward. They have partnered with a company to make ATI Eyefinity monitors!.


Also if you think about it, The active Displayport adopter is cheap enough, I mean you had to buy the TH2Go box before and thats 300 Euro.

We are on the right track.

lmimmfn

Blazher wrote: »

They are going one step forward. They have partnered with a company to make ATI Eyefinity monitors!.


Also if you think about it, The active Displayport adopter is cheap enough, I mean you had to buy the TH2Go box before and thats 300 Euro.

We are on the right track.

Ahh i know they've partnered with Samsung, but i dont want to have to buy a new screen( especially as the DP ones are still expensive compared to DVI ones ), the active adapter partnership or potential partnership was only mooted by one of their guys on the widescreen forum, that would be a cheaper option for me

Blazher

lmimmfn wrote: »

Ahh i know they've partnered with Samsung, but i dont want to have to buy a new screen( especially as the DP ones are still expensive compared to DVI ones ), the active adapter partnership or potential partnership was only mooted by one of their guys on the widescreen forum, that would be a cheaper option for me

Indeed Mate,


It was said just after release, As alot of people where not happy with the fact they had to go and buy the active adapter,

There is lots of info on the web, But here is some basic info and a good place for all WSG


FYI :: You will be seen alot more Displayport over the next coming years, Its going to be the next standard, imho it should have been years ago.

lmimmfn

Blazher wrote: »

Indeed Mate,


It was said just after release, As alot of people where not happy with the fact they had to go and buy the active adapter,

There is lots of info on the web, But here is some basic info and a good place for all WSG


FYI :: You will be seen alot more Displayport over the next coming years, Its going to be the next standard, imho it should have been years ago.

Ahh yeah, display port is the next big thing, still way too much to fork out on 3 screens , i dunno theres the cheap messy apple solution or biting the bullet and getting a 22" dell for 210euro, but thats only 1680x1050, id want to go higher but larger screens wouldnt work with my cheapy 19" side screens. Also another 22" would leave me just 1 22" short of having 3 22" screens. lol, its a feckin dilemma.

For the moment softth is ok, ill see if those adapters come down in price, worst case cheapy scenario ill flog my samsung 226bw for a dell.

Yeah i read the WSG forum regularly as its handy for FOV hacks etc. for use with softTH

Leman_Russ

lmimmfn wrote: »

Ahh yeah, display port is the next big thing, still way too much to fork out on 3 screens

Huh? You only need 1 Displayport screen. The other two can be bog standard DVI

Blazher

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Huh? You only need 1 Displayport screen. The other two can be bog standard DVI

Yes, You can use the 2 standard DVI, But the one of them monitors has to be Displayport. When you really think about it, Its not that much for what you get,

But i am going to wait a little bit, On till they release the drivers to support crossfire and they work on the bezel management

Leman_Russ

I'm gonna have to wait until two 5850 doesn't need a 2nd mortgage

CrinkElite

I don't see why you wouldn't just get 32" hd tv for around €450 , 1920x1080 with lots of AA is just fine for this size, plus you can watch movies on it.

Blazher

They don't now. I say in 3-6 months they will drop in price. Once GTX3xx starts hitting.

But a 5850 Vapor would be great, I cant see it happening tho as i said in a early post. They wouldn't sell any 5870s then

Blazher

CrinkElite wrote: »

I don't see why you wouldn't just get 32" hd tv for around €450 , 1920x1080 with lots of AA is just fine for this size, plus you can watch movies on it.

Its not about Size so to speak its about width.

Eg... 3x22 Monitors give you the screen size of 66" if you run each monitor at 1650x1080x3 = 4950x3240 of game play screen.

But the sweet spot is 3x24" monitors running 1920x1200x3= 5760x3600 of GAME PLAY


So lets say you have a 30" Dell with 2560x1600 resolution. Yes its a big screen, But the 3x24" Monitors that cost less gives you nearly two times the Game Play Space!

Do you understand>?

CrinkElite

fair enough, I suppose you'd have to actually see it working to pass judgement on it, I just don't think I could get over the bezels, can't say for sure though

Leman_Russ

I use 2 monitors already, so the bezels aint a problem for me

Blazher

CrinkElite wrote: »

fair enough, I suppose you'd have to actually see it working to pass judgement on it, I just don't think I could get over the bezels, can't say for sure though

Well. There is a few key factors to take in to account. TH2GO use software program for Bezel Management. So its like the screens are one and there are no Bezels so to speak from the screen side of things. But in the real world, They are still there.

But to be honest Mate after 2 mins you don't even see them there. You play on your normal screen in the mid but glance at the side screens like having peripheral vision in the real world.

lmimmfn

Blazher wrote: »

But to be honest Mate after 2 mins you don't even see them there. You play on your normal screen in the mid but glance at the side screens like having peripheral vision in the real world.

exactly, your really only using 1 screen as before but you can spot things on your peripheral vision e.g. cars pulling up on the side in grid or enemys in CoD.

The main difference between a 3 screen setup and a big 32" is because the vertical resoltion stays the same but the width is increased, youre field of vision dramatically increases, if you apply the same FOV on a 32" everything will be squashed.

Its really immersive, but you have to play using a 3 screen setup to realize that the bevels are not noticable( they are if you look directly at the side screens of course )

AlmightyCushion

Blazher wrote: »

Its not about Size so to speak its about width.

Eg... 3x22 Monitors give you the screen size of 66" if you run each monitor at 1650x1080x3 = 4950x3240 of game play screen.

But the sweet spot is 3x24" monitors running 1920x1200x3= 5760x3600 of GAME PLAY


So lets say you have a 30" Dell with 2560x1600 resolution. Yes its a big screen, But the 3x24" Monitors that cost less gives you nearly two times the Game Play Space!

Do you understand>?

You've got your maths wrong there. If you have three 24" monitors your total resolution is 5760x1200. Your set up will be just as high as one 24" monitor but 3 times as wide.

Blazher

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

You've got your maths wrong there. If you have three 24" monitors your total resolution is 5760x1200. Your set up will be just as high as one 24" monitor but 3 times as wide.

Ya. I only seen that after i posted it lol!!

Kinda got in a zone when i was trying to explain and lost myself :P

swirlser

Ok, so I finally had a go at the eyefinity and its pretty much as I expected it to be, the broken space is a pain in the ass (altho yes it does become less noticeable as you get into your game). If you do want to go down that path Id suggest you focus on getting monitors which were made specifically for this (minuscule boarders). Also if your trying to play on a 5870 CF or single 5970 Id say you would be best to go with perhaps the smaller 24 inch models, which would allow you play at native res maxed out.

3 x Apple 30 inches, 2 inches of boarder crap both sides, altho I did try angle them a bit to hide some of the outside monitors boarders. It ran quite well I must say @7860x1600, it does seem these cards work harder the more you throw at them. Altho to get Crysis smooth you need to drop to 'gamer' settings. Other titles like WoW and Hawx etc actually ran perfectly without compromise.

It was fun to point, but more just the novelty of it. It was an awkward setup and actually having to turn your head to see **** is annoying, so apart from having the tilted peripheral effect, to actually play this setup as standard would eventually result in a neck injury! To combat this, you could try sorting out the distance between you and your monitors but all I keep thinking is - this is just too much trouble for what it does. If you want to sit back and enjoy large screen, Im still gonna opt for a big tv or a projector.

I just got a new 23inch monitor the other day to give my rig before last a display and I couldnt resist this ->


(Mother & child are doing well...)

lmimmfn

swirlser wrote: »

It was fun to point, but more just the novelty of it. It was an awkward setup and actually having to turn your head to see **** is annoying, so apart from having the tilted peripheral effect, to actually play this setup as standard would eventually result in a neck injury! To combat this, you could try sorting out the distance between you and your monitors but all I keep thinking is - this is just too much trouble for what it does.

youre not supposed to tilt your head to the peripheral screens, e.g. if playing CoD4 tilting your head to see a guy is pointless as he must be on the centre screen for you to shoot him, you can see him out of the corner of your eye and turn your character to bring him to the centre screen.
The ideal setup for 3 screens is having your regular PC setup and plonking a screen either side of your main screen.

swirlser

lmimmfn wrote: »

youre not supposed to tilt your head to the peripheral screens, e.g. if playing CoD4 tilting your head to see a guy is pointless as he must be on the centre screen for you to shoot him, you can see him out of the corner of your eye and turn your character to bring him to the centre screen.
The ideal setup for 3 screens is having your regular PC setup and plonking a screen either side of your main screen.

You misunderstood me, I dont tilt my head, its the side screens which are at an angle - giving the peripheral vision effect. However, I dont think you appreciate what 90 inches of screen 1.5 feet from your face is like... its far from ideal!!

My point is simple, to get such a setup going which you could play comfortably is more trouble than its worth...

So, do I start shifting around another desk to put my monitors on, leaving the room in even more bloody disarray... *or* turn on the tv/projector & amp and sit back... hmmm...

Well you enjoy your eyefinity, its not for me - not atm anyway.

swirlser

This is pretty much the distance between my eyeballs on the monitors (ok the shot makes it look a lil closer than it actually is, but you get the idea). Plus im highlighting the painfully bad boarders (broken space) Id be putting up with.... with the other options I have at hand, why on earth would I endure this!?



(Apologies for the image quality, had to use a phone to take pic - my 'real' camera wouldnt take such a close shot, the pic on the previous page was taken from about 16 feet away)

So my advice to anyone bothering with eyefinity is, be sure you get the right monitors for the job!

Leman_Russ

Dude, for dual montors... you don't put them like that, you put them side by side horizontally.

swirlser

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Dude, for dual montors... you don't put them like that, you put them side by side horizontally.

Pass, waaaay too much hassle and the boarders are equally as big also. Plus Im leaving my side rig without a display and robbing my bf's main rig screen.... all to have 3 big ass lob sided screens on my desk? Ugh....

No thank you.

Novelty over.

The end.

CrinkElite

wait till the OLED screens get bigger, I think they're supposed to be mailable, like a piece of cloth. you could wrap it around your position without the hindrance of bevels (or bezels or whatever they're called).

they're only very small at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcAm3KihFho

zappb

Thanks for that link RE OLED, pretty cool tech coming down the line.

If i didn't know better, I'd say the Matrix is coming faster than we expected or maybe a mix of Dollhouse, Matrix, Star gate and star trek who knows e.g. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-chip-brain-implants-control,9131.html

There was an eyefinity challenge in Dallas a few days ago run by Hardocp and AMD:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/11/19/eyefinity_challenge_in_dallas_tx

Anyone doing anything like this in Ireland? It needs to be seen I think.

leninbenjamin

CrinkElite wrote: »

wait till the OLED screens get bigger, I think they're supposed to be mailable, like a piece of cloth. you could wrap it around your position without the hindrance of bevels (or bezels or whatever they're called).

they're only very small at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcAm3KihFho

It will be a good few years before the price of OLEDs come down.

CrinkElite

I know. cool though.

CrinkElite

zappb wrote: »

Thanks for that link RE OLED, pretty cool tech coming down the line.

If i didn't know better, I'd say the Matrix is coming faster than we expected or maybe a mix of Dollhouse, Matrix, Star gate and star trek who knows e.g. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-chip-brain-implants-control,9131.html

Disgraceful.

zappb

yea real ghost in the shell brain hacking stuff eh?

The article seems more of a joke than really news, but things are definitely moving in that direction.

zappb

Some of the comments are very funny from that toms article

Why put a chip in the brain? Isn't it better to take the brain out and plugged it in a socket inside a huge chip that's part of a huge gold robot? It's like you get a new body that never rusts? Steve Austin the Bionic Man couldn't hold a candle up to you because you'd be worth 6 Billion.

"I think [implanting chips into human brains] is well within the scope of possibility.""
==>and I THINK you are an IDIOT!

What a bunch of luddites. I would love to be able to control a computer with my brain. I would also love to run my personality on a computer (immortality anyone?)
If you can't handle the future, stay out of the way of those who can!
.

Moore's law states that CPU speeds double every two years. So either you get left with a P4 chip whilst everyone else is running Dual Cores or you get your head ripped open for an upgrade every 2 years. Hmmm? also liked the comment about generation 1 - first adopters may not have required TRIM support and stuck playing tetris

yeah don't forget too if you buy an amd product itnel wil shut down your body functions LOL

the quotes and corresponding flame war is well worth the 20 mins

Effluo

zappb wrote: »

Some of the comments are very funny from that toms article

"The question is, Can we run Crysis?"

zappb

Effluo, help me bring this back to relate to eyefinity again (sorry thread is off topic officially) GO READ THOSE COMMENTS!

eh...imagine controlling 3 monitors with just your brain plug in a few hdmi cables, one in each ear and where would you put the other one?

swirlser

zappb wrote: »

There was an eyefinity challenge in Dallas a few days ago run by Hardocp and AMD:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/11/19/eyefinity_challenge_in_dallas_tx

Anyone doing anything like this in Ireland? It needs to be seen I think.

Well I have seen it! And I can say with great certainty that if you think this is cool, then as of this very moment, its past your bed time

THIS is far more fun and far less hassle (Altho I dont have it on a wrap-around myself (that would be nice), just a flat screen).

zappb

Where did you get the screen to do that!? And yes, i'm up in 6 hours so will you please keep this thread company for the rest of the night,

Big deal. I modded by brain and put in an e8400. So far am having some stability issues and pissing my pants every time I try to overclock.

Quote :
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. That's all I'll say here. Put it this way though, it'd be nice if there were an easy way to make the rest of the world smarter and change most people's way of thinking, at least where I live.

Change the way people think? WTF. That's worse than "not saying anything nice"

swirlser

zappb wrote: »

Where did you get the screen to do that!? And yes, i'm up in 6 hours so will you please keep this thread company for the rest of the night,

Ehm, the screen is about the lest technical item in this room o.O its a blank canvas with a lil pulley :eek:

Effluo

What's the deal with projectors?
Like don't they have generally very low resolutions and so you wouldn't need an amazing gpu or two to run games on it?

I'm just thinking here about what my ideal setup would be. Imagine having three projectors in eyefinity, Gaming with a cinema screen!


Also how good can projectors be, the only ones i've ever seen working are those at regular presentations and college...

zappb

you must show me how to set that up..

I thought they were already implanting silicon?

I always knew this was coming.

I always had an idea to pass on the Billions of TB's of information from us to are children.

A child would never have to do the same school we already did.

Why should we learn and relearn the same things every generation.

If you ask me it's a Major setback in the progression of are future.

Million of combine years have bean Wasted learning what we already know.

CrinkElite

Effluo wrote: »

I'm just thinking here about what my ideal setup would be. Imagine having three projectors in eyefinity, Gaming with a cinema screen!

Thats's a good idea.

AlmightyCushion

Effluo wrote: »

What's the deal with projectors?
Like don't they have generally very low resolutions and so you wouldn't need an amazing gpu or two to run games on it?

I'm just thinking here about what my ideal setup would be. Imagine having three projectors in eyefinity, Gaming with a cinema screen!


Also how good can projectors be, the only ones i've ever seen working are those at regular presentations and college...

Projectors are like monitors in a way. You can get crap low res ones or much better much higher res ones.