New BMW 5 series soon...

Stevie Dakota · 17-11-2009 4:15pm #1

I must say I'm looking forward to seeing the new 5, details and photos should be out any day. Can it continue the 5 series legacy, will it ever sell again in such big numbers given how things have changed? Time will tell.

Gumbo · 17-11-2009 6:07pm

im waiting for this release with much excitement

i talked my dad out of buying an 09 one last month with the plan to wait and see the pricing for it.

any dealers on here getting them in, contact me!

mondeo · 17-11-2009 6:09pm

I hope it's more attractive to the eye then the outgoing model..

Gumbo · 17-11-2009 6:10pm

mondeo wrote: »

I hope it's more attractive to the eye then the outgoing model..

thats personal choice i suppose, i love the current E60 model, but only in M-Sport variant.

EPM · 17-11-2009 7:27pm

kceire wrote: »

thats personal choice i suppose, i love the current E60 model, but only in M-Sport variant.

Me too. Always liked them and never really saw what the fuss was about styling wise. It had always been up against it with the E39 as its predecessor. If the reviews of the 5GT are anything to go by then it should be a cracker.

Zonda999 · 17-11-2009 7:58pm

Autoexpress say it will look exactly like this

The new BMW 5-Series is here! The official unveiling of the new executive express is imminent, but Auto Express is one step ahead of the competition.

Our exclusive images show exactly how the model will shape up. And our German sources have revealed all the details on the car, which is set to be better to drive than ever, yet cheaper to run.

It will look smoother, too, with former design chief Chris Bangle’s controversial styling dropped in favour of a much more conservative shape.

Gone is the awkward boot lip, replaced by a tail inspired by the 7-Series, while a bold crease runs from the front wheelarch to the rear lights. This emphasises the extra 20mm of length the new model has over the outgoing car. Inside, the 5-Series will share its cabin layout with the recently launched 5-Series GT.

As with its Mercedes E-Class arch rival, a barrage of cutting-edge technology will appear – and a healthy proportion of it will be devoted to driving enjoyment. Four-wheel steering is to be carried over from the 5-Series GT, while an active rear differential will provide maximum traction.

Efficiency is high on the agenda, with stop-start ensuring that CO2 emissions tumble by 10-15 per cent. Four-cylinder models are fitted with the set-up from launch, while six-cylinder cars get it in 2011.

Economy is also boosted by new engines, including a 175bhp 2.0-litre four-cylinder unit for the 520i. This will be replaced at a later date by a 2.0-litre turbo, delivering either 200bhp or 250hbp.

The 272bhp straight-six from the 530i will be carried over unchanged, but the 550i will swap its 4.8-litre V8 for the cleaner and more powerful 401bhp twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 from the 7-Series.

Diesel models will receive a similar shake-up. Although the 177bhp 520d will still be the entry point, a 3-Series-style EfficientDynamics variant with emissions of less than 120g/km is likely. Gone is the 197bhp six-cylinder unit from the 525d, replaced by a significantly more efficient 204bhp four-cylinder engine from the 123d. Both the 235bhp 530d and 286bhp twin-turbo 535d will return.

We’ve recently driven ActiveHybrid versions of the 7-Series and X6, and a petrol-electric 5-Series will follow. This variant is likely to appear in showrooms in 2011.

It will feature the same layout as the ActiveHybrid 7, combining a proven 218bhp 3.0-litre petrol engine from the 525i with an electric motor housed in the eight-speed automatic gearbox. But unlike the 7-Series, the ActiveHybrid 5 will have the ability to drive up to 2.5 miles on electric power alone.

The 5-Series family will grow when the Touring version is introduced in February. But performance fans will have to wait until 2012 for the next M5 – and the existing car’s V10 will make way for a 555bhp 4.8-litre twin-turbo V8.

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/245029/bmw_plays_it_smooth_with_5series.html#ixzz0X9H6NeNX

I actually kinda like it, a nice evolution of the E39 kinda, certainly not as edgy as the E60!

manta356 · 17-11-2009 8:44pm

Might it look like this maybe ?

Taken at Geneva motorshow earlier this year

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 17-11-2009 8:51pm

manta356 wrote: »

Might it look like this maybe ?

Taken at Geneva motorshow earlier this year

Thats the 5 series GT out already.

Gumbo · 17-11-2009 8:54pm

Zayn Flat Biker wrote: »

Thats the 5 series GT out already.

+1

arrived into M&G last week along with th X1.

Seth Brundle · 17-11-2009 9:01pm

E39 FTW!

RedorDead · 17-11-2009 9:09pm

kceire wrote: »

thats personal choice i suppose, i love the current E60 model, but only in M-Sport variant.

I agree - i definitely think the current 5 Series model has aged much better than the equivalant A6 or E Class.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-11-2009 9:19pm

kbannon wrote: »

E39 FTW!

the high water mark never to be repeated:(

Padraig Mor · 17-11-2009 9:29pm

RedorDead wrote: »

I agree - i definitely think the current 5 Series model has aged much better than the equivalant A6 or E Class.

+1. Don't see what the problem with the E60 is. Gotta say this new one looks the mutts nuts though - although I'll reserve judgement on that snub nose until I see it in profile.

One thing though - an extra 20 mm? That can't be right can it?! That would make it only 3 cm shorter than the new F01 7 series and slightly bigger than the outgoing E65 7 series!

AugustusMaximus · 17-11-2009 9:37pm

Always going to be difficult to follow up the previous model which I took a bit of time to get used to.

Lets just hope that it's better looking than the new 7 series which is one of the blandest looking cars BMW has ever produced.

.Longshanks. · 17-11-2009 9:44pm

Zonda999 wrote: »

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_685/car_photo_342961_25.jpg

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_685/car_photo_342958_25.jpg

Autoexpress say it will look exactly like this

I actually kinda like it, a nice evolution of the E39 kinda, certainly not as edgy as the E60!

....And autoexpress never make their own images up by blending all the key parts of other models in a marques range to make a new model :rolleyes:

Zonda999 · 17-11-2009 11:56pm

Longshanks100 wrote: »

....And autoexpress never make their own images up by blending all the key parts of other models in a marques range to make a new model :rolleyes:

True enough but all theyve done for that one is take the very detailed already, spy shot and put on some of the styling cues of the new 5 series GT, cant be too far off the mark after all!

Thats a spy shot, no modification!

Voodoomelon · 18-11-2009 12:15am

That 550i has a fabulous engine. Doubt we'll see any over here unless they have yellow plates on em.

bazz26 · 18-11-2009 12:31am

Doesn't look that much larger than the current M5 behind it:

bazz26 · 18-11-2009 12:35am

Rear doesn't look great imo:

Touring:

Mr Benevolent · 18-11-2009 6:05am

If it echoes the E39 I will forgive BMW for the E60. And I'll buy one*

*In 6-10 years, when it's in Bangernomics territory.

Let's hope they sorted the electronic/CANBUS problems.

Shires · 18-11-2009 11:18am

Confab wrote: »

If it echoes the E39 I will forgive BMW for the E60. And I'll buy one*

*In 6-10 years, when it's in Bangernomics territory.

Likewise, and, I will be keeping my E39 at least until then.

rabbitinlights · 22-11-2009 4:14pm

Looks very nice if that's the SE version, I wonder when the M-Sport will be shown?

AugustusMaximus · 22-11-2009 4:44pm

Not near as nice as the present model.

What is with the ridiculous trend of having the centre grille stick out more. Its horrible. It looks even worse on the 7 series tbf though.

Stevie Dakota · 22-11-2009 5:05pm

A bit underwhelming as we all dreaded, maybe it gets better under the tarp!

tommmy1979 · 22-11-2009 5:08pm

The nose looks a bit maserati-ish doesn't it ?

tommmy1979 · 22-11-2009 5:10pm

see

Zonda999 · 22-11-2009 5:11pm

I quite like that bit so far, i know if i had seen that much of the current car back in '03, i certainly wouldnt have been impressed so the overall more subtle looks of this one are very welcome IMO!:)

mickdw · 22-11-2009 5:11pm

That looks poor. Just as clumsy as the non msport 3 series which is a poor design

VolvoMan · 22-11-2009 6:40pm

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

Not near as nice as the present model.

The present model is far from a nice looking car if you ask me.

I don't get what it is that only now people are starting to say what a nice looking car the E60 is. It's actually not, but in fact a horrible mess of a design with a hideous interior and headlamps that look like Dame Edna's spectacles.

Shires · 22-11-2009 8:58pm

VolvoMan wrote: »

I don't get what it is that only now people are starting to say what a nice looking car the E60 is. It's actually not, but in fact a horrible mess of a design with a hideous interior and headlamps that look like Dame Edna's spectacles.

Indeed, this is it. For years BMWs had a slightly aggressive look at the front. The lights on the E60 were quite a departure. They remind me of Norman Lamont's eyebrows: old, crusty and increasingly boring as time creeps by.

Here's a delightful shot of Dame Edna as mentioned by VolvoMan.

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rabbitinlights · 23-11-2009 12:47am

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The M-Sport is way ahead of the SE, I think the new SE looks much better that the E60 version.

coolbeans · 23-11-2009 1:10am

rabbitinlights wrote: »

The M-Sport is way ahead of the SE, I think the new SE looks much better that the E60 version.

A truly beautiful car shouldn't need a body kit a la the E60 M-Sport version to look good. Back in the day a standard E39 didn't need pricey fripperies to become a design classic as the basic design was strong enough to stand on its own merits from the get go. Attractiveness lies in proportions and strong simple detailing none of which the E60 possess. I certainly won't be mourning the current model's passing. The new one looks promising though. Nice proportions and no fussy details like those awful headlamps and terrible rear end.

Marlow · 23-11-2009 1:25am

coolbeans wrote: »

Nice proportions and no fussy details like those awful headlamps and terrible rear end.

Very true that. Even my old '97 E39 looks day today very well, whenever I see it again.

Friend of mine even has a '96 E39 520i and it took very few changes to make that look very modern: angel eyes in the front, m-style rear lights with led's and a nice set of alloys and you wouldn't think it's a '96

Can't say, that the E60 looks well EVER ... Not even the M-series.

/M

coolbeans · 23-11-2009 1:31am

Can't say, that the E60 looks well EVER ... Not even the M-series.

/M[/QUOTE]

I think all E60s look crass and contrived. Never warmed to them but lots of people love body kits i suppose...

Stevie Dakota · 23-11-2009 12:51pm

BMW's unveiling the new 5-series tonight, I look forward to the debate tomorrow!

rabbitinlights · 23-11-2009 1:05pm

I think the E60 "body kit" :rolleyes: M-Sport completes the car and makes it overall a much tighter design.

The E39 M-Sport is still the daddy though.

S.

Ice_Box · 23-11-2009 1:15pm

The 523d sounds good... 210bhp twin turbo getting 60mpg. Lets hope the 520d is A rated ie less than 120g co2. Looks a bit dull going by the Pics on the previous page. Who will be first to say BRING BACK BANGLE?

WacoKid · 23-11-2009 1:15pm

tommmy1979 wrote: »

The nose looks a bit maserati-ish doesn't it ?

Spot on, as soon as I seen the front of the new 7-series it screamed Quatroporte to me.

Having said that the Maserati is one of the finest looking saloon ever made, IMO or course!

Matt Simis · 23-11-2009 1:41pm

coolbeans wrote: »

A truly beautiful car shouldn't need a body kit a la the E60 M-Sport version to look good.

Lol, hold on a sec, who is claiming BMWs are "A truly beautiful car ". They can look cool, but they arent pretty boys. The MSport Kit (hardly a mere "bodykit, its made by BMW, just like the car and SE bodykit) is a solid improvement, as designed. I think you benchmarking them way too hard.

Stevie Dakota · 23-11-2009 1:47pm

I think the E60 aged brilliantly, even today it has not dated, not many 6 years old design you can say that about. I hated it at first and never liked the interior (until the door cards were redone in late 2007) but Bangle was 100% right with the design. All BMW's latest design efforts will have none of that longevity, a bit like their engineering.

Marlow · 23-11-2009 1:55pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Lol, hold on a sec, who is claiming BMWs are "A truly beautiful car ". They can look cool, but they arent pretty boys. The MSport Kit (hardly a mere "bodykit, its made by BMW, just like the car and SE bodykit) is a solid improvement, as designed. I think you benchmarking them way too hard.

No he isn't. He's benchmarking them at their own measurements. The E39 was a truly beautiful car, with or without bodykit. The E60 isn't.

/M

Marlow · 23-11-2009 1:58pm

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

I think the E60 aged brilliantly, even today it has not dated, not many 6 years old design you can say that about. I hated it at first and never liked the interior (until the door cards were redone in late 2007) but Bangle was 100% right with the design. All BMW's latest design efforts will have none of that longevity, a bit like their engineering.

As for aging, yes, BMW has always been pretty good at that. The E39 still looks good, even though it was discontinued 6 years ago and it's manufacturing started 13 years ago.

The biggest problem they have really, is that they've gone cheapskates on engineering, as you state yourself. A lot of the problems of the newer cars come from not caring, but saving at any corner, while the E34 and E39 were properly engineered cars.

/M

Matt Simis · 23-11-2009 2:06pm

Marlow wrote: »

No he isn't. He's benchmarking them at their own measurements. The E39 was a truly beautiful car, with or without bodykit. The E60 isn't.

/M

Source?
From briefly looking at the BMW site and some posters the other day in a garage, they use the terms muscular, sporty, athletic etc. These are their measurements, maybe "beautiful" is in there somewhere, but it certainly isnt shouted about like the others. They are a performance orientated marque.

Also, "The E39 was a truly beautiful car, with or without bodykit. The E60 isn't.".. thats not a fact, thats your opinion. I happen to find the E39 passable (I have one), the E60 SE so so and the E60 MSport rather nice. In the UK 60% of E60s were bought with the MSport package, meaning the "standard" E60 is the MSport, its the normal version by default.

The F10 has the worse attributes of both IMO.

coolbeans · 23-11-2009 2:31pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Source?
From briefly looking at the BMW site and some posters the other day in a garage, they use the terms muscular, sporty, athletic etc. These are their measurements, maybe "beautiful" is in there somewhere, but it certainly isnt shouted about like the others. They are a performance orientated marque.

Also, "The E39 was a truly beautiful car, with or without bodykit. The E60 isn't.".. thats not a fact, thats your opinion. I happen to find the E39 passable (I have one), the E60 SE so so and the E60 MSport rather nice. In the UK 60% of E60s were bought with the MSport package, meaning the "standard" E60 is the MSport, its the normal version by default.

The F10 has the worse attributes of both IMO.

You're right, I shouldn't have used the term "beautiful" and hereby declare that I am replacing it with "strong design". It was late.

. A strong design shouldn't need an additonal bodykit to make it look acceptable to most owners. And yes, all this is very subjective but I'm sticking to my guns.
On a side note, I love the design of the Phaeton as it's got great proportions and just the right amount of detailing which results in it looking much better in my opinion than its stablemate the Bentley Continental.

Stevie Dakota · 23-11-2009 2:32pm

I have to laugh that this debate (E39 V E60 is still raging, the day before the next one comes out.

My thoughts -
E34 One of BMW's best ever efforts, still looks good today. So well built.
E39 Exterior always a bit underwhelming, so restrained, handsome as a sports model, beautiful interior, fantastic build but usual BMW soft areas, engine cooling, auto boxes and suspension, same as E34.
E60 So challenging at first, but aged so well. Fantastic surface detailing, well proportioned and so much more substantial looking than E39 side by side. More than ever needs bigger wheels to look good.

I guarantee that the new 5 will have people reminiscing about the E60 before too long.

Bonito · 23-11-2009 2:43pm

Found this online

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109112223177/2010-bmw-f10-5-series-leaked/lowphotos#1

Stevie Dakota · 23-11-2009 2:46pm

Bonito wrote: »

Found this online

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109112223177/2010-bmw-f10-5-series-leaked/lowphotos#1

And on page 2 of this thread! :rolleyes:

Marlow · 23-11-2009 3:06pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Also, "The E39 was a truly beautiful car, with or without bodykit. The E60 isn't.".. thats not a fact, thats your opinion.

Did I state anywhere, that it's a fact ? Beauty is always based on subjective opinion, but in the case of E39 vs. E60, the majority, at least the majority of people that I know, agrees with me on that.

/M

Lex Luthor · 23-11-2009 3:41pm

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

E60 So challenging at first, but aged so well. Fantastic surface detailing, well proportioned and so much more substantial looking than E39 side by side. More than ever needs bigger wheels to look good.

I have to agree with you Stevie, the E60 has grown on me over the years...has to be a dark colour. Silver is the worst choice for this car.

I don't think I'll feel the same way in 5 yrs about the 5GT.

mailforkev · 23-11-2009 4:20pm

From those leaked shots I think this new 5 has potential, I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
Having seen a few of the new 7 series around I'm far from convinced with it though, looks a bit like it's melting front and back.

Mind you, with the exception of the current E92 3 coupe and maybe the Z4 hardtop, I still think the last decent looking BMW was the E38 7 from the 90's.

Matt Simis · 23-11-2009 5:17pm

coolbeans wrote: »

You're right, I shouldn't have used the term "beautiful" and hereby declare that I am replacing it with "strong design". It was late. . A strong design shouldn't need an additonal bodykit to make it look acceptable to most owners. And yes, all this is very subjective but I'm sticking to my guns.

Ah well in that case, I agree, most BMWs (in the last 10years anyhow) are not particularly strong designs, its like they make them as bland blank canvas to be dolled up with wheels and kits later. Not just the 5er either, the E46 in boggo kit looks rubbish, but a clean E46 M3 looks so much nicer.
Out of the factory, none of them look good IMO.

But the thread is about the F10, I dont like the bits i see so far. I liked the E34 for its era, find the E39 underwhelming (unless serious amount of kit put on it) and the F10 to be a modernised E39. Ive always liked the E60-M personally and like "Bangle's designs" in general (even though he didnt design half the the stuff he infamously associated with) though.

New BMW 5 series soon...

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