mobile phone users on public transport, how rude.

dirtynosebeps

the other day i got a bus home. there was a passenger talking loudly on their mobile at the door, the driver asks the person to lower their voice as it's a distraction to him and an annoyance to other passengers. the passenger then starts getting agressive with the driver saying he was rude and told him to **** off when leaving the bus. is the use of mobiles and other stuff getting out of hand. i congadulated the driver and he said " here i go again." i asked what that meant. he said there'll be a complaint gone in as usual and he'll be getting his ass kicked over asking somone to tone down their voice.
your opinions please.

actuallylike

If they're loud, yes it is annoying but I don't see the problem just using a phone. Some people have an issue with it and I don't get it, is it because the other person isn't there so eavesdroppers don't know what's going on? How rude!

DOC09UNAM

Yeah, telling someone to **** off isn't rude, how dare he talk on the phone in the cinema bus.

So rude.

douglashyde

Its PUBLIC transport, people can use their phone if they like.

Got a problem, Get a car, bicycle or walk

dirtynosebeps

theres a difference between someone talking normally then being eaves dropped on and someone letting the whole bus know what an awful day they had or who they shagged.

Appleguy

Its not tolerated in Asia if your on public transport. They just stare the **** out of you until you get off the phone if you get/make a call.

I think theres a time and place to be honest. I mean can anyone honestly say that while on a bus they heard a conversation that couldn't have waited until the person got home?

corktina

i dont mind people using phones but I DO mind those who think you have to talk LOUDLY into them.... your normal speaking voice wont annoy anyone..ffs peeps they have microphoines in them :-)

dirtynosebeps

i've looked up the dublin bus by-laws and found this. most of you will be surprised.
"No person while on the vehicle shall sing, perform on any musical or other instruments or use any audible radio, television, record player, tape recorder or portable apparatus."
it's in this.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Passenger-Behaviour/

neil_purdy

dirtynosebeps wrote: »

i've looked up the dublin bus by-laws and found this. most of you will be surprised.
"No person while on the vehicle shall sing, perform on any musical or other instruments or use any audible radio, television, record player, tape recorder or portable apparatus."
it's in this.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Passenger-Behaviour/

Doesnt say anything about a mobile phone...

actuallylike

Appleguy wrote: »

I think theres a time and place to be honest. I mean can anyone honestly say that while on a bus they heard a conversation that couldn't have waited until the person got home?

Plenty of times!

"Oh wait, you're not at home? Okay I won't go cause I don't have keys to get in."

"I'll be home in twenty minutes, can you put a pizza on for me"

"Traffic's a nightmare, said I'd be home in half an hour but looks like it'll be an hour"

If the person is talking at a normal conversational level and he or she isn't talking about anything offensive then what's the problem? Do you have a problem with people talking on the bus in general?

dirtynosebeps

actuallylike wrote: »

Do you have a problem with people talking on the bus in general?

the issue here is not about people talking normally, it's about people talking so loud it's an annoyance to others on the bus and this seems to be the everyday case. by the way. this passenger was talking about the awful day they had etc.

Zoney

douglashyde wrote: »

Its PUBLIC transport, people can use their phone if they like.

Got a problem, Get a car, bicycle or walk

The bus driver should be entitled to ask someone to tone it down if necessary - whatever about other passengers just having to lump it.

And while people can talk on public transport if they want, they certainly don't (or shouldn't) have free reign to be as noisy as they like. If the person doesn't want to be quieter - then if they have a problem they can get a car, cycle or walk. It shouldn't be necessary for anyone to have complaint or ask someone to be quieter - people should be considerate enough not to pollute the environment for others.

As regards mobile phones - I've heard it said that they, and even cordless landlines, don't provide as much loopback of your own voice as older landline phones did (you know, so you can hear yourself at a normal volume despite having one ear covered). Apparently this is responsible for people shouting into phones - but I'm not entirely convinced (there's no good reason for mobile phones not to have this feature).

actuallylike

dirtynosebeps wrote: »

the issue here is not about people talking normally, it's about people talking so loud it's an annoyance to others on the bus and this seems to be the everyday case. by the way. this passenger was talking about the awful day they had etc.

My previous post was directed at appleguy, he seems to think that phones shouldn't be allowed at all? But I think we're in agreement here, normal (as in normal, I mean acceptable volume, not shouting) level and non offensive chatter's no big deal.

MOH

Zoney wrote: »

As regards mobile phones - I've heard it said that they, and even cordless landlines, don't provide as much loopback of your own voice as older landline phones did (you know, so you can hear yourself at a normal volume despite having one ear covered). Apparently this is responsible for people shouting into phones - but I'm not entirely convinced (there's no good reason for mobile phones not to have this feature).

Takes power -> shortens battery life

Mr. Presentable

neil_purdy wrote: »

Doesnt say anything about a mobile phone...

Yes it does.

"...portable apparatus"

SickCert

From a New Jersey Bus.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/bus-commuters-hold-all-calls-or-else/

devnull

Generally I don't have a problem, but sometimes you see people with phones on speakerphone and turned right up, then they start shouting down into the phone too!

DOC09UNAM

what about when my battery is almost dead, im ringing for a lift in the pissing rain, and the person im ringing is half deaf.

Acceptable?

BrianD

nipplenuts wrote: »

Yes it does.

"...portable apparatus"

Agreed. I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to use a mobile phone while on a bus. However, if the driver instructs you to stop then his instruction should be complied with.

corktina

shouting into the phone wont make any difference....if they cant hear you, they cant hear you (take it from one who IS half-deaf....

mickoneill30

actuallylike wrote: »

Plenty of times!

"Oh wait, you're not at home? Okay I won't go cause I don't have keys to get in."

"I'll be home in twenty minutes, can you put a pizza on for me"

"Traffic's a nightmare, said I'd be home in half an hour but looks like it'll be an hour"

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

what about when my battery is almost dead, im ringing for a lift in the pissing rain, and the person im ringing is half deaf.

I got one of these new fangled phones with SMS functionality. It might catch on. Your recipient does need to know how to read though.

DOC09UNAM

corktina wrote: »

shouting into the phone wont make any difference....if they cant hear you, they cant hear you (take it from one who IS half-deaf....

That wasn't a hypothetical, my mother has trouble hearing, and sometimes i have to speak loudly, above my normal for her to hear me, and my battery did die quite often when i was in college arranging lifts, just seemed to be quite regular.

chewed

I know people have the right to talk on mobiles in most places, but I can't understand how they are not embarrassed by (a) having an ear-deafening ringtone (e.g. Beyonce or that annoying Frog tune) that tends to last at least 30 seconds before they eventually find their phone and (b) talking loudly and openly about their mother's hysterectomy for the entire bus to hear.

I just feel people have lost all dignity and decorum since mobiles became commonplace. I remember laughing at that sketch from Dom Jolly when he takes out the huge phone and blares down the phone, usually in a museum or....bus!

actuallylike

mickoneill30 wrote: »

I got one of these new fangled phones with SMS functionality. It might catch on. Your recipient does need to know how to read though.

What if I don't want to text? I know my parents don't know the first thing about how to use them either. What if i want to ring a landline? What if I receive a call?
Loads of reasons, problem is if you have a problem with someone talking on the phone in a normal non offensive way on a bus, then you must have problems with people talking in general on a bus. Should we just have silent buses?

DOC09UNAM

mickoneill30 wrote: »

I got one of these new fangled phones with SMS functionality. It might catch on. Your recipient does need to know how to read though.

Yeah, ill text my house phone the next time im ringing my mother, who doesn't have a mobile phone, but thanks, for chiming in and looking like a tool, no probs dude, keep going!!!


If me talking on the phone upsets you so much, then here's my solution.

mickoneill30

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Yeah, ill text my house phone the next time im ringing my mother, who doesn't have a mobile phone, but thanks, for chiming in and looking like a tool, no probs dude, keep going!!!

Calm down mate. Only one person looking like a tool here. I don't know your mother and I didn't know she didn't have a mobile.

Fine, if the other person doesn't have a mobile or doesn't know how to text or you can't ring them when you're off the bus, fire away and shout into your mobile on the bus. Just keep thinking it's fun for everybody else to listen to you.

DOC09UNAM

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Calm down mate. Only one person looking like a tool here. I don't know your mother and I didn't know she didn't have a mobile.

Fine, if the other person doesn't have a mobile or doesn't know how to text or you can't ring them when you're off the bus, fire away and shout into your mobile on the bus. Just keep thinking it's fun for everybody else to listen to you.

You were coming off like a smartass, and im sure that was your intention.

im calm, dont worry, just trying to make valid points before you interject with your silly quips.

mickoneill30

actuallylike wrote: »

Loads of reasons, problem is if you have a problem with someone talking on the phone in a normal non offensive way on a bus, then you must have problems with people talking in general on a bus. Should we just have silent buses?

The OP is about people talking loudly on buses. Nobody said anything about silent buses. I don't have a problem with people talking in a normal non offensive way on a bus. Who said they had a problem with that?

mickoneill30

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You were coming off like a smartass, and im sure that was your intention.

Nope. Sorry you took offense. There were four or five lines where people posted simple one sentence messages that they needed to convey. Text messaging is an option if your recipient has a mobile phone. As most people in Ireland have one I thought that might have been a valid suggestion.

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

im calm, dont worry, just trying to make valid points before you interject with your silly quips.

So it was valid to post to post a screenshot of a flight (a return trip from London to Tokyo for some reason)? Sorry if that's a silly quip.

actuallylike

mickoneill30 wrote: »

The OP is about people talking loudly on buses. Nobody said anything about silent buses. I don't have a problem with people talking in a normal non offensive way on a bus. Who said they had a problem with that?

Was brought up 9 or 10 threads in.

mickoneill30

actuallylike wrote: »

Was brought up 9 or 10 threads in.

Ah, as you replied to me though I thought you meant I had a problem with people talking normally. I was talking about the OP. The OP is about people talking loudly. Apparently a lot of people here have never seen them.

"Hi, I'm going to be late, be there at 6."
is not the same conversation as
"Hi, I'm on the bus. I said I'm on the bus. THE BUS. ISN'T THE WEATHER TERRIBLE.... Blah blah blah" etc. for half an hour at 20 decibels above normal speaking voice.

actuallylike

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Ah, as you replied to me though I thought you meant I had a problem with people talking normally. I was talking about the OP.

Ah sure then it's just a misunderstanding isn't it!
Sorry about that.

ArmaniJeanss

I'd be happy to see mobiles banned (or Emergencys Only like the NJ photo) on public transport.

On my route theres a couple of people who see their bus commute as an excuse to take out the phone and make multiple calls - I thinks thats total ignorance myself. Show a bit of respect for the person beside you / behind you who wishes to read or sleep.

I've no real problem with 'I'm 30 minutes minutes late Mum, see you whenever, goodbye' calls -theres just too many people making twenty minute 'all the jokes and gossip of the day calls'.

actuallylike

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'd be happy to see mobiles banned (or Emergencys Only like the NJ photo) on public transport.

On my route theres a couple of people who see their bus commute as an excuse to take out the phone and make multiple calls - I thinks thats total ignorance myself. Show a bit of respect for the person beside you / behind you who wishes to read or sleep.

I've no real problem with 'I'm 30 minutes minutes late Mum, see you whenever, goodbye' calls -theres just too many people making twenty minute 'all the jokes and gossip of the day calls'.

Well here's the point that was raised before come up again. What if I was sitting next to my mate and we wanted to talk, are we not allowed? Or is it just phones you have a problem with?

ArmaniJeanss

actuallylike wrote: »

Well here's the point that was raised before come up again. What if I was sitting next to my mate and we wanted to talk, are we not allowed? Or is it just phones you have a problem with?

Fair point.

In my honest experience two normal people talking to each other on the bus will generally tone it down a notch, they'll move closer to each other, mouth to ear etc - they tend not to want people looking at them when they are discussing whatever they are discussing. They'll often pause for a few minutes before thinking of something else to say. It's less intrusive.

People seem to be less self conscious on a mobile - they seem to speak even louder than their normal voice (possibly as mentioned earlier because of the lack of echo feedback or whatever from a phone). They will also tend to talk nonstop, even if the person at the other end is speaking they will respond every 5 seconds with 'Yes', 'No', 'Wow', 'Oooo, I know', 'Did he really', 'Fkin Hell', probably to assure the other person that they are still listening.
Whereas in a one to one conversation a lot of that talk is done by nods of heads, shakes of head, smiles, frowns, grimaces etc

I genuinely think 8 people talking into their mobiles will make a cacophany of sound, whereas 4 couples talking will often be not noticeable at all.

Just my experience from 10+ years of bussing.

positron

Just want to say I "dislike" people who talk loudly on their mobiles or otherwise on public transport. I commute for hours daily, and people who speak unnecessarily loud really annoys. I don't protest, but I feel very low of them and lets say I wouldn't feel too bad if someone like that slips and falls..!

Its true that everyone has the right to use their phones in public places and public transport, but with that right comes responsibility - to be considerate to other passengers. By talking too loud they are being inconsiderate to the fact that others (me) might be suffering from a migraine or a splitting heache or is trying hard to prepare for an interview, meeting etc etc.

Just my 2c worth!

DOC09UNAM

positron wrote: »

Just want to say I "dislike" people who talk loudly on their mobiles or otherwise on public transport. I commute for hours daily, and people who speak unnecessarily loud really annoys. I don't protest, but I feel very low of them and lets say I wouldn't feel too bad if someone like that slips and falls..!

Its true that everyone has the right to use their phones in public places and public transport, but with that right comes responsibility - to be considerate to other passengers. By talking too loud they are being inconsiderate to the fact that others (me) might be suffering from a migraine or a splitting heache or is trying hard to prepare for an interview, meeting etc etc.

Just my 2c worth!

Protip: I'm sure you have an ipod, a phone, an mp3 of some sort, most people do.

Get headphones, plug them in, and the people go bye bye, if i didn't have headphones, i don't know what i would do on a daily basis!!

BluntGuy

I completely understand and agree with the driver's decision in this case. People should not be allowed talk shoutily on public transport and they should have the common sense and respect not to.

To give you a very recent example (and it's sure one a lot of us can relate to), last Thursday, I was on the upperdeck of a city bus in Cork and things were fairly pleasant - people keeping to themselves, having a quiet conversation with the person next to them. Then, at one stop, two teenage girls, probably 17-19, come onto the bus and sit in the seat beside me. Immediately, they start yapping to each other in obnoxiously loud voices.

I caught nearly every word, not through eavesdropping, but just because they were impossible to ignore. I heard all sorts of crap about "that not being the kinda meeen she gooes furr", and then one of their friends getting "four years in jail" and going into the details of the court case etc. and then the icing on the cacophonous cake, they must've made at least 3 or 4 shouty calls to people, with any call made back being accompanied by a hideous, loud ringtone. I kept thinking to myself, "do they want people to know everything they're talking about?".

At the next opportunity I went to the lower deck and simply stood the rest of the journey, as I could not take the noise, but with (numerous) experiences like that in mind, I'd have to say I completely agree with the Dublin Bus driver, and it would be grossly unfair for him to be reprimanded.

positron

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Protip: I'm sure you have an ipod, a phone, an mp3 of some sort, most people do.

Get headphones, plug them in, and the people go bye bye, if i didn't have headphones, i don't know what i would do on a daily basis!!

You are right and I have a whole set of gadgets in my bag from radio to mp3 to psp to movies. I use discrete 'in-ear' type earphones that block outside noise to some degree. However, I am not a huge fan of loud music (just like loud noise) and some commuters have the most annoying voice that penetrate thru concrete walls...!

Also those open type / old style earphones that some people insist on wearing and playing loud music - that also annoys me to no end!

Stark

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Protip: I'm sure you have an ipod, a phone, an mp3 of some sort, most people do.

Get headphones, plug them in, and the people go bye bye, if i didn't have headphones, i don't know what i would do on a daily basis!!

Then some tit will start a thread about people listening to music on public transport

I'm in agreement with the driver though as I can totally picture the scene with people shouting into mobile phones. I've no problems with people using phones on public transport, it's just a matter of using them respectfully at normal volume.