Killstreaks too powerful ???

opinion guy

Am I the only one who feels that the killstreaks are TOO powerful. Now they are fun to use, and good on a well matched game, but when one team is weaker it feels like they are too much. Played in one game where our team was weak an the other team was kicking butt, but at one stage I must have respawned 5 or 6 times in a row only to face instant death from a B2 or an AC130 or a predator or whatever - I mean I didn't even get to move FFS! I like the deathstreak idea - but mybe they should power down the killstreak and power up the deathstreaks to make for a more balanced game (and surely more of a challenge for those who are that good to begin with). Anyone agree ?

heebusjeebus

The game isn't balanced for balance.

I'd agree with you though. You can tell after the first few kills what team are going to dominate. I've played plenty of Headquarters where the opposing side didn't even register a score.

LittleLebowski

I dont think it will matter.Sometimes one team is just better and thats it. I love the killstreaks at the moment but you are right about the chooper gunner and AC130.Far to easy to kill tens of people but damn fun when its you in the hot seat.

weisses

Its strange indeed

example : got 4 kills got the crate with pave low ... got killed... re-spawned pave low killed 9 what unlocked another pave low ... got two more predator missiles during the match ended up with 34 kills and two deaths ... got called a cheater after that .....

great fun though as an noob :cool:

TiGeR KiNgS

chopper gunner gets me like 20 kills or something everytime
but I just take out my stinger class and it easily shoots down airsupport, if none else does it when I have air support then its not overpowered imo

ravydavygravy

Thats it exactly - its up to players to SHOOT DOWN the Pave Low / AC130 - then its not so bad...

docdolittle

ravydavygravy wrote: »

Thats it exactly - its up to players to SHOOT DOWN the Pave Low / AC130 - then its not so bad...

Yup, I figured this out after the first match with the powerful airsupport, switch my stinger for the secondary if I knew I was against a better team, I end up dying once or twice taking out there stuff but it stops the retards on your team from dying 20 more times than needed. :mad: when they start getting harrier + pave low, you'd think people would cop on to taking them down :rolleyes:

inFamouxe

I really hate that chopper thing make me want to throw my controller! GRRRRRRRRRRRR! :mad:

gerkeo

I thought killstreak kills didnt count towards another killstreak count?

weisses wrote: »

Its strange indeed

example : got 4 kills got the crate with pave low ... got killed... re-spawned pave low killed 9 what unlocked another pave low ... got two more predator missiles during the match ended up with 34 kills and two deaths ... got called a cheater after that .....

great fun though as an noob :cool:

evad_lhorg

stuff picked up from airdrops dont count towards other killstreaks as far as I know. not sure though.

opinion guy

I've tried shooting down the ac130 - it seems to have counter measures or something - sparkly stuff came out of it and my missile missed. as to the pave low again i tried shooting it but whatever angle i come from it seems to shoot me first.

but i don't mind this the odd time. its the case where you respawn just as something hits and you die and then respawn where the next hit comes in etc etc. does my freaking head in. happened me one day when guy was in ac130 and about 3, 4 times in a row i respawned in the firing path of the ac130. very annoying cause you have zero chance no matter how good you might be

a1149

A Stinger will take down pretty much anything flying in one shot, except for the AC130. I've tried and tried but it seems to be nigh-on impossible to knock it out of the sky with it's damn flares.
Anyone actually managed it?

Codofwar

gerkeo wrote: »

I thought killstreak kills didnt count towards another killstreak count?

They dont but if you get your 3, 4, 5, or however many kills in a row adding to your current streak and dont use them when you die and respawn they are still ready for you to use and then add to your new kill streak if you get my meaning.

Mikeyt086

The chopper that you dont control the gunner on is totally useless! The 7 kill one, ive used it 3 times on open-air maps and havent got 1 kill yet from it.

opinion guy

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

The chopper that you dont control the gunner on is totally useless! The 7 kill one, ive used it 3 times on open-air maps and havent got 1 kill yet from it.

Damn thing has killed me a few times. But thats mainly cause I stand there shooting at it till it kills me so i can respawn as a new class with a stinger and blow it from the sky :P

Apprently I change class alot - I'm always getting that evolver accolade...hahaha

evad_lhorg

a1149 wrote: »

A Stinger will take down pretty much anything flying in one shot, except for the AC130. I've tried and tried but it seems to be nigh-on impossible to knock it out of the sky with it's damn flares.
Anyone actually managed it?

it only has two or three flares onboard. You just need a couple of people on your team with stingers or else just keep shooting and dying. i have shot down a few and its defintiely worth it. I dont use a secondary gun as you can take down Uavs counter uavs and every flying vehicle with one stinger shot.

docdolittle

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

The chopper that you dont control the gunner on is totally useless! The 7 kill one, ive used it 3 times on open-air maps and havent got 1 kill yet from it.

Use the harrier, it's awesome, 7 kills streak too

Liathroidi Dana

Damn I wish I knew... I tend to get a kill and then die, then get a kill and die and so on, so forth!

So I have only gotten one heli, and that didn't kill anyone for me... I suck at this!

Oafley Jones

Today was the first day I've seen people begin to knock out air support left, right and centre. Just finished a match where I'd say nearly everyone was carrying a stinger. Anything that went up in the sky was instantly shot down.

KilOit

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Today was the first day I've seen people begin to knock out air support left, right and centre. Just finished a match where I'd say nearly everyone was carrying a stinger. Anything that went up in the sky was instantly shot down.

Thats the way it should be at the current balance, those support items come so easly so they should be easly taken out, you're also open to any gunfire while holding a stinger so i think it's quite balanced.

Soby

Anyone used a nuke yet?

ShadowHearth

weisses wrote: »

Its strange indeed

example : got 4 kills got the crate with pave low ... got killed... re-spawned pave low killed 9 what unlocked another pave low ... got two more predator missiles during the match ended up with 34 kills and two deaths ... got called a cheater after that .....

great fun though as an noob :cool:

random crate stuff does not count in as killstreak... so its impsible to do what you did bud... unless you killed them all yourself to get 9 killstreak

zero19

Soby wrote: »

Anyone used a nuke yet?

I haven't even seen one yet, i'm waiting to find one in a care package lol

TheDoc

A groundwar two nights ago had me drop 5 sentry guns in total in one match racking over 60 kills, it was pretty amazing I'd never gotten a score so high.

I think it balances out, in that its easy for anyone to get one, 5 killstreak gets you some nice toys, I do think its annoying that where CoD4 had really the skilled players getting regular killstreak rewards, this one hands them out like confetti and its a bit ****, when some guy who just robbed a crate, got 5 kills with a predator missile, is now racking up kills with a chopper.

Just annoying, I dont like the killstreaks at all in fairness, it takes alot away from the skill of the game, you spawn and get hit with a missile or chopper.

Two nights ago I got a sentry gun in groundwar, and started tearing up the enemy, then robbed an enemy crate with another sentry gun, set both up in a choke point in airport and racked 25+ kills from them alone.

Darksaga87

I was looking at a match on youtube that i was linked to, this guy got 76 kills and 5 deaths! he ended the match with the nuke in last 10 seconds.

Burning Eclipse

Darksaga87 wrote: »

I was looking at a match on youtube that i was linked to, this guy got 76 kills and 5 deaths! he ended the match with the nuke in last 10 seconds.

linky??? :pac:

Oafley Jones

TheDoc wrote: »

A groundwar two nights ago had me drop 5 sentry guns in total in one match racking over 60 kills, it was pretty amazing I'd never gotten a score so high.

I think it balances out, in that its easy for anyone to get one, 5 killstreak gets you some nice toys, I do think its annoying that where CoD4 had really the skilled players getting regular killstreak rewards, this one hands them out like confetti and its a bit ****, when some guy who just robbed a crate, got 5 kills with a predator missile, is now racking up kills with a chopper.

Just annoying, I dont like the killstreaks at all in fairness, it takes alot away from the skill of the game, you spawn and get hit with a missile or chopper.

Two nights ago I got a sentry gun in groundwar, and started tearing up the enemy, then robbed an enemy crate with another sentry gun, set both up in a choke point in airport and racked 25+ kills from them alone.

Have to agree with this. I'm enjoying the game and while the perks are great fun to use, I'm finding it too schizophrenic compared to the last two games. It's too easy for anyone, regardless of skill, to rack up a decent tally. Subsequently, there's very little satisfaction in getting a large kill count.

opinion guy

Two games in a row the other night some guy used nukes. Gotta say the nukes SUCK. It ends the game. Its annoying. Especially when it takes a while to set up the game what with some of the lag issues etc

Darksaga87

no prob:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPajlON_BFE

event

5th nuke he's called in, he's obviously good

Blazer

event wrote: »

5th nuke he's called in, he's obviously good

pft..consolers..they're all fúcking noobs...

like to see someone get it on the PC...still haven't seen a nuke yet...

ScissorPaperRock

Berkut wrote: »

pft..consolers..they're all fúcking noobs...

Pft... arrogance...

Darksaga87

pfft, escaping air.

jeawan

Soby wrote: »

Anyone used a nuke yet?

Nuke was used in a game last night pretty impressive it is kinda a game ender though the chopper were you control the gun is pretty good though.

ShadowHearth

Berkut wrote: »

pft..consolers..they're all fúcking noobs...

like to see someone get it on the PC...still haven't seen a nuke yet...

+1, i am rank30 and havent seen even one nuke yet on pc.

Is it me, or there is so much auto aim on xbox?! Or that fella just pure... Good?

Nuri Sahin

TheDoc wrote: »

Just annoying, I dont like the killstreaks at all in fairness, it takes alot away from the skill of the game, you spawn and get hit with a missile or chopper.

Sums up my opinion on Killstreaks and I regularly get Chopper Gunner before I'm told off.

No skill factor required for MW2. Unless you call some person camping to get their Killstreak a skill or talent. Which many do. In COD4 if you put the time and effort you'd become a good player .

The aspect of simplicity COD4 especially compared to MW2 makes it awesome.

If only there was a no kill/death streak mode or rule as a game type.

Br4tPr1nc3

yeah ive gotten 2 already.
theyre fun.
i usually just say gg guys and call it.

Darksaga87

i loved cod 5, was ok at mw. but im finding it easy to rack up kills in mw2. im not complaining as im just a casual player, ie. i dont take it seriously!

opinion guy

ShadowHearth wrote: »

+1, i am rank30 and havent seen even one nuke yet on pc.

Is it me, or there is so much auto aim on xbox?! Or that fella just pure... Good?

well i play on xbox and i can't aim for ****. it was waht most struck me about that video that guys aim is awesome. has me wonderinhg how to improve my aim tbh. i'm just too slow :P

I don't think its too bad for campers really. any i have seen ahve gotten taken out fairly quickly (by me if I can :P)

evad_lhorg

ok im getting a little annoyed trying to figure out what gets added to your kills bringing you closer to high kill streaks, and what doesnt. if I get a predator missile and my next killstreak is set up for pave low at 9 kills, if I kill 4 people with the pred will I get my pave low?

WarZoneBrother

ShadowHearth wrote: »

+1, i am rank30 and havent seen even one nuke yet on pc.

Is it me, or there is so much auto aim on xbox?! Or that fella just pure... Good?

I am Rank 50 on PS3 and have yet to see a nuke, although if I had it unlocked I would have used it there today as I got 30 kills 0 deaths in Free for All match...Pavelow is awesome and so is the AC 130

BlitzKrieg

ok factcheck

1. Anything you get from a supply drop or emergency drop DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS YOUR KILLSTREAK if you get a predator from a crate and kill 4 people they dont count. If you earn a predator and kill 4 people they do.

2. Killstreaks are much more powerful, but also for the most part much easier to avoid. With the exception of stealth bombers, you get a warning of every killstreak (though I dont know about Nuke) and you have the ability to intercept most of them before they can do any damage or avoid them (predator's are quite easy to dodge if you start hugging walls when they get called in and there is a good 3-4 second delay before they start flying in.) Yes the chopper gunner and ac130 are the hardest to dodge or kill, but I wouldnt rate them much higher then a chopper of cod4.

3. The ability to shoot stuff down is much much stronger. Firstly everybody should know cold blooded makes you invisible to pave lows, harriers, UAV, sentry guns and choppers right? It also makes you invisible to predators, chopper gunners* and ac130's* you combine it with whatever class is your stinger class and turn to it when in serious need of AA. Cold blooded essentially counters anyone who uses killstreak call in's alot. Though how a game goes it might be better to have one of the other alternatives depending on your role so it is a price to pay to be invisible to call ins, when you sacrifice deep penetration or hgh explosives.

4. Flashbangs and stun grenades stall sentry guns.

5. Deep penetration pro doubles your damage against vehicles allowing light machine guns to shoot down helicopters

6. obvious one, You can see where enemy supply drops are landing and are fully able to steal them. (I just stole an ac 130 tonight.)


*I havnt confirmed this, but you a game earlier someone copied my class using copycat but I could pick them up on the chopper gunner when I turned it to thermal, but I cant remember if I had cold blooded on or not at the time, I dont think I did.



Do I think the killstreaks are perfect?

No

But they are pretty well balanced all the same. Yes AC 130's are a pain to shoot down, you need 2 players at least to shoot at it, while chopper gunner you only need one. Considering the requirement to get an ac 130 I think its fair.

except

I dont think it should show up in supply drops. THats all. Everything else in a supply drop is very hit or miss, but an ac 130 in a supply drop is far too game changing. A gunner chopper offers the chance to change the game but it can be easily denied by a single player with cold blooded. An AC 130 puts half a team on the backfoot straight away.

I think it can be a sometime appearance in emergency drops (considering how many kills are needed for it and how hard it can be to aim as you need a long strip of space for it which in most maps is usually the killing floors) but it needs to be taken out of the supply drops.

WarZoneBrother

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

ok factcheck

1. Anything you get from a supply drop or emergency drop DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS YOUR KILLSTREAK if you get a predator from a crate and kill 4 people they dont count. If you earn a predator and kill 4 people they do.

2. Killstreaks are much more powerful, but also for the most part much easier to avoid. With the exception of stealth bombers, you get a warning of every killstreak (though I dont know about Nuke) and you have the ability to intercept most of them before they can do any damage or avoid them (predator's are quite easy to dodge if you start hugging walls when they get called in and there is a good 3-4 second delay before they start flying in.) Yes the chopper gunner and ac130 are the hardest to dodge or kill, but I wouldnt rate them much higher then a chopper of cod4.

3. The ability to shoot stuff down is much much stronger. Firstly everybody should know cold blooded makes you invisible to pave lows, harriers, UAV, sentry guns and choppers right? It also makes you invisible to predators, chopper gunners* and ac130's* you combine it with whatever class is your stinger class and turn to it when in serious need of AA. Cold blooded essentially counters anyone who uses killstreak call in's alot. Though how a game goes it might be better to have one of the other alternatives depending on your role so it is a price to pay to be invisible to call ins, when you sacrifice deep penetration or hgh explosives.

4. Flashbangs and stun grenades stall sentry guns.

5. Deep penetration pro doubles your damage against vehicles allowing light machine guns to shoot down helicopters

6. obvious one, You can see where enemy supply drops are landing and are fully able to steal them. (I just stole an ac 130 tonight.)


*I havnt confirmed this, but you a game earlier someone copied my class using copycat but I could pick them up on the chopper gunner when I turned it to thermal, but I cant remember if I had cold blooded on or not at the time, I dont think I did.



Do I think the killstreaks are perfect?

No

But they are pretty well balanced all the same. Yes AC 130's are a pain to shoot down, you need 2 players at least to shoot at it, while chopper gunner you only need one. Considering the requirement to get an ac 130 I think its fair.

except

I dont think it should show up in supply drops. THats all. Everything else in a supply drop is very hit or miss, but an ac 130 in a supply drop is far too game changing. A gunner chopper offers the chance to change the game but it can be easily denied by a single player with cold blooded. An AC 130 puts half a team on the backfoot straight away.

I think it can be a sometime appearance in emergency drops (considering how many kills are needed for it and how hard it can be to aim as you need a long strip of space for it which in most maps is usually the killing floors) but it needs to be taken out of the supply drops.

I taught so aswell, but it seems yesterday with my 30 kills 0 deaths match, I got Pavelow and some Harrier Strike or something and got about 10 kills with pavelow...Ended the game 1500 points and no deaths..Looked at my stats and it said for my streak it was 29...I didn't know how it came up as 29 as I clearly got 30...

Anyone know why this happened as a matter of interest??

Henrik_is_God

opinion guy wrote: »

I've tried shooting down the ac130 - it seems to have counter measures or something - sparkly stuff came out of it and my missile missed. as to the pave low again i tried shooting it but whatever angle i come from it seems to shoot me first.

but i don't mind this the odd time. its the case where you respawn just as something hits and you die and then respawn where the next hit comes in etc etc. does my freaking head in. happened me one day when guy was in ac130 and about 3, 4 times in a row i respawned in the firing path of the ac130. very annoying cause you have zero chance no matter how good you might be

if you use the cold-blooded perk you can't be targeted from the enemy air support .

yimrsg

I can understand people with lower levels complaining about the power of killstreaks but I cannot fathom how guys (and gals) over level 31 who have access to stingers (and the ability to lock on to targets) don't attack the aerial threat.

I have a class set up specifically for such an occasion, LMG and stinger with stopping power pro. Add in scavenger and you get another stinger and more rounds to fire at Pave Lows and Ac-130s. Alternatively choose/ make a class with cold-blooded and you won't be targeted from above, its selfish but effective.

Finally, pop shots at enemy uavs also; very easy to take down with an LMG or anything with stopping power. I often find that by keeping the skies clear from uav's severely reduces the more powerful kill streaks. Nearly all killstreaks can be countered; emp, predator and nuke excluded.

And so concludes our tale. I'm Leonard Nimoy. Good night,
and keep watching the skis. Uh, skies.

potsy11

I am at level 20 and just got my first airstrike. I killed nobody with it. How bad is that?

I find that my aim is so slow in comparison to others. Is there a quick auto aim button or something? PS3 is the console.

Cheers

BlitzKrieg

I can understand people with lower levels complaining about the power of killstreaks but I cannot fathom how guys (and gals) over level 31 who have access to stingers (and the ability to lock on to targets) don't attack the aerial threat.

But the launchers that are unlocked at level 1 also have lock on???

the only difference is stingers get two shots.

Vegeta

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

But the launchers that are unlocked at level 1 also have lock on???

the only difference is stingers get two shots.

Are stingers a bit more powerful too?

I do find the level 1 launcher pretty impotent. The AC-130 also has ****ing flares.

What drives me nuts is that guys ranked higher than me who have unlocked one man army don't use it more often to deal with the aerial threats.

I do think the game rewards skilled players a little too well. It can make games turn into landslide wins which are not fun to be on the end of.

BlitzKrieg

Vegeta wrote: »

Are stingers a bit more powerful too?

I do find the level 1 launcher pretty impotent. The AC-130 also has ****ing flares.

I think stingers are a bit stronger, yes. But the level 1 launcher can still take out harriers etc without much issue and with cold blooded it can still handle the chopper gunner. The only problem is the ac130. Which with the exception of supply crates providing it you should not run into it much at level 1 unless you are playing with a mate who's a much higher level then you.

Vegeta

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Which with the exception of supply crates providing it you should not run into it much at level 1 unless you are playing with a mate who's a much higher level then you.

When I turned this on at like 12.47am last Tuesday morning, at level 1 we were playing against 2 level 45 guys.

As I said I think it rewards skilled players too much making it tougher for your average Joe like myself.

I have about 28 hours clocked up, my highest streak is 19 but I was lowish level then and got the Pave Low but have never been in the seat of the AC-130 or Helicopter gunship. I have been raped by them many times though

I also seem to have a unique talent of changing class to an anti air build and then hearing the vehicle being destroyed just as I spawn. D'oh

Ingenuist

Only in the hands of the the absolutely animal players u see in domination. Other than that they give everyone a chance to get a decent killstreak every now and again.