Build. Need cpu/ram/mobo

Anti

So ive decided to put the build together now as ive just received a nice tax back from the taxman. Ive already ordered the corsaid 800D case.Im really stuck between i5 and i7 1156 or should i stay with 1366. I already have the two 5870's so the mobo must support crossfireX. Im hoping for 8-12gb of ram. Plan on some nice overclocking too, and watercooling after mas when my bonus comes through

I'd like the components to be able to handle a decent overclock, but also not cost the earth, i mean im not spending 400-500euro just on a x58.

Suggestions more then welcome

Farcear

Well, the i5 has some fantastic overclocks and even an x16/x4 mobo will give you around 95% of the performance of an x16/x16 in crossfire.

If you already have the 1366 mobo (and RAM too presumably) why not just get the best CPU you can?

Out of curiousity, what are you going to do with 12gb of RAM?

Anti

Yeah i have a i7 and a 1366 mobo already, but this is a second seperate build. I guess maybe 12gb is a bit too much, so i'll settle with 6/8gb. Nothing i'll be doing which will be gaming and doing the odd bit of encoding and the likes.

Venom

Most of the mid level to high end X58 mobos do both sli and crossfire execpt EVGA which only seem to do sli so its kinda down to whichever brand or specs you need.

leninbenjamin

Anti wrote: »

Ive already ordered the corsaid 800D case.

I want one Absolutely fantastic case that.

Anti wrote: »

Im really stuck between i5 and i7 1156 or should i stay with 1366. I already have the two 5870's so the mobo must support crossfireX. Im hoping for 8-12gb of ram. Plan on some nice overclocking too, and watercooling after mas when my bonus comes through

I'd like the components to be able to handle a decent overclock, but also not cost the earth, i mean im not spending 400-500euro just on a x58.

Suggestions more then welcome

my money is on LGA1366. Too many questions surrounding overclocking LGA1156 at the moment, plus you have the limitations of the crippled northbridge (which i know wont affect most people but I think could hinder future upgrade potential. For example, we've no idea how fermi will scale in SLI yet).

Asus P6T Deluxe v2 seems to be highly recommended. Good all rounder, loads of features, nice price and good over-clockability i think. The EVGA's are also nice, but seem pricey in comparison. Don't know much about the other's tbh.

Venom

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Asus P6T Deluxe v2[/URL] seems to be highly recommended. Good all rounder, loads of features, nice price and good over-clockability i think. The EVGA's are also nice, but seem pricey in comparison. Don't know much about the other's tbh.

Gygabyte's upper end boards seem very popular as well and doing well in the reviews.

Anti

This is what i've gone with so far:



Still need to add in a few bits and pieces.

Venom

Anti the Corsair 800d case is claimed to be not great for an air cooled system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yMF6etqAw&feature=related

Fair few folks complaining about it on the Corsair forums as well.

Leman_Russ

Hmm, A Corsair case that forces you to buy a Corsair Water Cooling Solution?

Whodathunkit! :P

Anti

Venom wrote: »

Anti the Corsair 800d case is claimed to be not great for an air cooled system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yMF6etqAw&feature=related

Fair few folks complaining about it on the Corsair forums as well.

Cheers for that, spent the last good while checking that out. apparently the stock fans move 18cfm... Which is a bit of a joke really, no big deal though as i have a good amount of fans here to instantly replace. And the best part is i do plan to add some watercooling after xmas when the bonus comes in. I think i might even get one of them h50's too at the beginning as they seems to be getting really good reviews.

Leman_Russ

Anti wrote: »

Cheers for that, spent the last good while checking that out. apparently the stock fans move 18cfm... Which is a bit of a joke really, no big deal though as i have a good amount of fans here to instantly replace. And the best part is i do plan to add some watercooling after xmas when the bonus comes in. I think i might even get one of them h50's too at the beginning as they seems to be getting really good reviews.

The H50 is nice, but nowhere close to a custom setup with 9001 Radiators and ultra pure triple distiled water :pac:

Deano12345

I wouldn't go with that IFX-14.I have one,it works great and I love it but my god is it the most difficult thing to mount ever,also,getting an 8pin motherboard connector in with the IFX-14 will leave you black and blue (the fins are sharp).

As someone on OCN once said

''Its a bit like a 3 foot member.Its nice to have but not exactly practical.''

Blazher

Hey Anti.


Just thought i would give you my 2 cent,

If you want a cheap rig that overclocks great, You want the X58-UD5 and the Corsair Dom 1600Mhz Ram 6 Gigs max, Stick a 920 D0 stepping in and on water you can push 4.5Ghz all day long.

As for the Ram, you can drop the timings to 7-7-7-20 @ 1600mhz and thats just great.


Its been shown that faster mhz ram dose not give that much to gaming maybe 1 FPS, but its not worth that heat.

And the reason you want 6gb and not more is, Because the memory controller is on the i7 chip its selfs. you wont get a great overclock with more RAM. 6gb is the sweet spot. And that gives you enough to make a RAM Disk and save your SSD also

Sorry for the rush reply. just on the way out the door.

If you need any more info let me know.



PS: if you getting water deal with Tom at www.chilledpc.co.uk they are unreal for modding stuff and parts! and cheap

Thats where i get all my stuff

Anti

Thanks for the replies guys. I could spend a small fortune on the bitspower stuff on chilledpc... must resist....

Blahzer, do you mean a p55-ud5 ? or the x58-ud3r ? as i cant find a x58-ud5 anywhere.

I'm considering dropping the 920 and getting a 860/870 and getting a EVGA p55(Not the classified, thats just madness), purely because the board is completely black.. I know EVGA boards arn't that reliable, christ, ive killed a 680i/780i and a 790i just days after getting them. But i have no trust at all with MSI or Asus, especially the p6t as if i have to see another one of them in work i'm going to cry

Ram is really confusing me though, just not sure what to get.

Leman_Russ

Get a GA-P55A-UD3 and Some Nice Kingston Valuram.

Venom

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Get a GA-P55A-UD3 and Some Nice Kingston Valuram.

And a fire extinguisher

Deano12345

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Get a GA-P55A-UD3 and Some Nice Kingston Valuram.

I lurve mah valueram

Venom

Anti wrote: »

Thanks for the replies guys. I could spend a small fortune on the bitspower stuff on chilledpc... must resist....

Blahzer, do you mean a p55-ud5 ? or the x58-ud3r ? as i cant find a x58-ud5 anywhere.

I'm considering dropping the 920 and getting a 860/870 and getting a EVGA p55(Not the classified, thats just madness), purely because the board is completely black.. I know EVGA boards arn't that reliable, christ, ive killed a 680i/780i and a 790i just days after getting them. But i have no trust at all with MSI or Asus, especially the p6t as if i have to see another one of them in work i'm going to cry

Ram is really confusing me though, just not sure what to get.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2958

That the one you mean?

I heard MSI's rep got better but never used one so cant comment.
Fcuk Asus.
Dont trust Evga at all. They are so in bed with nVidia they don't even list crossfire compatibility of there motherboards :eek:

Leman_Russ

Deano12345 wrote: »

I lurve mah valueram

Yup. My Valuramz are 1333 CL9, but I have them running super stable at 1200 Cl6

leninbenjamin

Anti wrote: »

especially the p6t as if i have to see another one of them in work i'm going to cry

really? I have one here for 6 months odd and it's been grand, and hear nothing but good about them elsewhere. anything I should be worried about?

Anti

Naah its mostly retarded people tryign to run ram in non standard configurations, had a few pin issues too, but once again issue is pebcak. But every time i see oen it breaks my heart a little more ;(

leninbenjamin

Anti wrote: »

Naah its mostly retarded people tryign to run ram in non standard configurations, had a few pin issues too, but once again issue is pebcak. But every time i see oen it breaks my heart a little more ;(

lol, fair enough. gonna see a fair bit more of that with the more popular ones alright. you had me worried though.

Blazher

here you go mate

X58-UD5

its a great mobo, I would take it over the EVGA stuff, And thats saying alot.

Anti

If only komplett sold it, i've just spent a night of crazy benching with the EVA classified, and a good few other boards. I'm not a happy bunny Oh thanks to polarice for the dice !!

Anti

Right, ive decided on the asus maximum Forumla 3 and some corsair dominator GT 1600mhz cl7 ram with a i5 750 for now, will probably throw in the 870 when the price drops down from 500ish. Decided to get 5 Akasa apache fans to replace the ****ty 20cfm fans that corsair supply in the case, and went for the 1KW corsair psu too, just because...

Leman_Russ

Anti wrote: »

Right, ive decided on the asus maximum Forumla 3 and some corsair dominator GT 1600mhz cl7 ram with a i5 750 for now, will probably throw in the 870 when the price drops down from 500ish. Decided to get 5 Akasa apache fans to replace the ****ty 20cfm fans that corsair supply in the case, and went for the 1KW corsair psu too, just because...

ewwwwwwwwwwwwww Asus P55 Mobo? :eek:

Well, at least you didn't get a Antec PSU :pac:

Venom

Anti wrote: »

Right, ive decided on the asus maximum Forumla 3 and some corsair dominator GT 1600mhz cl7 ram with a i5 750 for now, will probably throw in the 870 when the price drops down from 500ish. Decided to get 5 Akasa apache fans to replace the ****ty 20cfm fans that corsair supply in the case, and went for the 1KW corsair psu too, just because...

Was originally thinking of same setup only with a 17 860 till I heard about the while Foxconn socket deal. When you get your board can ya post if Asus have switched to a different socket

leninbenjamin

Venom wrote: »

Was originally thinking of same setup only with a 17 860 till I heard about the while Foxconn socket deal. When you get your board can ya post if Asus have switched to a different socket

Asus haven't yet afaik. At least there's no mention they stopped using Foxconn anywhere i read. Think it's only Gigabyte, EVGA and MSI i think are considering it too. The issue is a ver large proportion of all p55 boards were Foxconn*, so even if Asus stopped today you still have a very high probability of getting a foxconn socket as the old stock will still be filtering through the supplier's chains.

But same issue has happened with a few LOTES socket's guys, i'd be wary of the platform entirely if i were planning to overclock at all.

Venom

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Asus haven't yet afaik. At least there's no mention they stopped using Foxconn anywhere i read. Think it's only Gigabyte, EVGA and MSI i think are considering it too. The issue is a ver large proportion of all p55 boards were Foxconn*, so even if Asus stopped today you still have a very high probability of getting a foxconn socket as the old stock will still be filtering through the supplier's chains.

But same issue has happened with a few LOTES socket's guys, i'd be wary of the platform entirely if i were planning to overclock at all.

Yeah it totally sucks balls
X58 is overkill for my needs but beats having CPU and mobo go boom.
1156 looking to be the Widows ME of this decade

Solitaire

Nah, that was Vista :P

Leman_Russ

Nothing wrong with LGA 1156. People are pumping 9001v into them and complaining they are burning out.

leninbenjamin

Leman_Russ wrote: »

Nothing wrong with LGA 1156. People are pumping 9001v into them and complaining they are burning out.

Nobody knows for certain tbh what's causing it. Intel, Gigabyte, Foxconn are three companies i've known made a statement on the issue and they've all blamed something different (intel blamed users, gigabyte blamed plastic metlting and foxconn, well they didn't do anything but say they are aware of it. oh and EVGA are utterly stumped apparently).

There have been reports of users having it happen to them without overclocking (and definite confirmed cases of it having happened for mild overclocks). There have also been reports of it happening with LOTES socket's (indeed one guy on the tweaking and modding forum said it happened to him) which suggests the possibility of it being a platform design issue.

(see the other thread for links)

Practically speaking, you're probably right in that it's unlikely to happen, but when I spend that much money on something I wanna be as sure as practically possible it's not gonna go tits up. p55 just has to may questions marks imo.

Anti

I'm not too worried about it to be honest, if it breaks i'll just RMA it

I'll throw up the build log in the T&M forum in a while, im hoping to throw a few supprises into this one, but need to hear back from a few contacts before i can give any details.

Anti

So i've managed to kill my i5-750, so ive placed an order for a i7-860 And im still waiting on my 800D

leninbenjamin

Anti wrote: »

So i've managed to kill my i5-750

lolololol

What were you doing? Were you putting 9 trillion volts through it?

And what happened to waiting for gulftown? I thought those i7's were to damn expensive for a stopgap

Anti

when a 860 costs 170euro i cant really complain ;D

Venom

Anti wrote: »

when a 860 costs 170euro i cant really complain ;D

Fess up man, what ya do to the 750

Anti

Too much voltage

When it died i was thinking "Ah ****, there goes the motherboard too" but supprisingly its grand. Brought it into work today to stick it under the microscope and no burnt or cracked pins. So i was thinking, oh it might just be the ram. But everything else worked and nothing would boot with my 750 in it. It wasn't that much voltage either, guess it was too much for a B1. Mayeb the next revision will be better?

leninbenjamin

Anti wrote: »

It wasn't that much voltage either

That's what were trying to tell you

Anti

Hey, it was the cpu not the mobo

When the mobo socket goes boom then you can start the "i told you so dance" :pac:

Venom

Anti wrote: »

Hey, it was the cpu not the mobo

When the mobo socket goes boom then you can start the "i told you so dance" :pac:

We would never do that :P








except on days ending with Y

Anti

Venom wrote: »

We would never do that :P








except on days ending with Y

Thats like only a few of them at best, so im pretty safe

leninbenjamin

Anti wrote: »

Hey, it was the cpu not the mobo

Hey now, maybe it wasn't this thread but I did mention the possibility that this was an Intel manufacturing flaw with the CPU pads or the actual socket design itself. I've been telling people to just avoid the platform entirely, at least until Intel are willing to address the issue and stop claiming user error. So i will dance

At the end of the day no one knows why there has been such a high failure rate with LGA1156 (well someone probably does, but there's been a serious lack of info from the manufacturers on LGA1156 imo).

Venom

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Hey now, maybe it wasn't this thread but I did mention the possibility that this was an Intel manufacturing flaw with the CPU pads or the actual socket design itself. I've been telling people to just avoid the platform entirely, at least until Intel are willing to address the issue and stop claiming user error. So i will dance

At the end of the day no one knows why there has been such a high failure rate with LGA1156 (well someone probably does, but there's been a serious lack of info from the manufacturers on LGA1156 imo).

100% agreed.

*paging Leman Russ to this thread*

Farcear

Anti wrote: »

Too much voltage

How much voltage?

Leman_Russ

Farcear wrote: »

How much voltage?

More than what Intel uses :pac::pac::pac:
See, the Mobo is fine! It's just the CPU going "waaaa", just like every other CPU :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Anti

Haha

Laugh all you want :pac:

From the top of my head these are what i think my voltages were at when i was hitting 4.3ghz

Bios vcore 1.7v
pch 2.2v :pac:
ram stock lolz
vtt 1.41v which i think has the opposite of droop, i think it gave more

I'll treat treat this 860 a little better

Anti

New CPU just arrived, Nao its time for the pics will sort out the build log later on today at some point.

Cpu:



Mobo:



Things:

Blazher

We need more info



I am selling my hardware at the moment, But i may just say feck it and go ahead with the build. if so il post a build log.


Also Anti get this running so we can get a lan going!

Anti

As soon as my case drops i will, no point showing the build made on the mobo box on my desk, not to interesting.

I'm promised my case will be in mid next week.

Blazher

Anti wrote: »

As soon as my case drops i will, no point showing the build made on the mobo box on my desk, not to interesting.

I'm promised my case will be in mid next week.

Mine was shipped today. So i am hoping my stuff comes friday. But more then likely its going to be Monday/tuesday