Are children of the 90's and early 2000's capable of surviving the recession?

darkman2

It's an interesting thought. These kids knew nothing but designer gear, ipods, and good things on demand from the parents. If a teen wanted to go out for a few jars - "Da give us 20 Euro" - Da gives 50 and says "keep the change, have a good night"

---

how long ago now do those days feel!? But anyway I see everyone putting the video of that angry guy confronting Pat Kenny on Youtube etc.....people think it is a good craic and on one level it is funny and amusing. On another level that anger is only just beginning. Come this time next year what will it be like? There may have been a revolution at that stage but the sense I get is that we are witnessing the collapse of a country. This country is bankrupt. It's finished and the breakdown of society has only really begun. The politicians are not being honest with the stark reality of the situation. Alot of people are getting the hell out of here before the sh*t really hits the fan.


But how are the kids of the privilaged years going to cope with this? My personal opinion is that, thanks to the mismanagment of the country, and the parents, is that they just won't be able to face the reality of their own future which is now destroyed. There is no future here. I don't think that generation has the ability or initiative to cope with the situation future generations now face. The privilage is gone. No future generation will have it as good as they have had.

What do you think? Can they cope like kids of the 70's or 80's - are they that street wise or conditioned for hard times? I don't think so.

Sharpshooter

They will just have to cope and it will do them the world of good, imo.

Borneo Fnctn

Well they won't starve so I suppose they'll come through it a bit wiser.

dan719

darkman2 wrote: »

It's an interesting thought. These kids knew nothing but designer gear, ipods, and good things on demand from the parents. If a teen wanted to go out for a few jars - "Da give us 20 Euro" - Da gives 50 and says "keep the change, have a good night"

---

how long ago now do those days feel!? But anyway I see everyone putting the video of that angry guy confronting Pat Kenny on Youtube etc.....people think it is a good craic and on one level it is funny and amusing. On another level that anger is only just beginning. Come this time next year what will it be like? There may have been a revolution at that stage but the sense I get is that we are witnessing the collapse of a country. This country is bankrupt. It's finished and the breakdown of society has only really begun. The politicians are not being honest with the stark reality of the situation. Alot of people are getting the hell out of here before the sh*t really hits the fan.


But how are the kids of the privilaged years going to cope with this? My personal opinion is that, thanks to the mismanagment of the country, and the parents, is that they just won't be able to face the reality of their own future which is now destroyed. There is no future here. I don't think that generation has the ability or initiative to cope with the situation future generations now face. The privilage is gone. No future generation will have it as good as they have had.

What do you think? Can they cope like kids of the 70's or 80's - are they that street wise? I don't think so.

I reckon I'll cope just fine. I just buy shoulders now. I have a job for next summer sorted already...worked my hole off this summer and have pared my expenses in college down to nothing. I'm commuting from wexford instead of living in Dublin, bring a packed lunch etc. I'm sure some will rant and rave, but most people will do what everyone else does. i.e. get the f*ck on with it and get out of this sh*thole.

john-joe

No I-pod,
No Mobile Phone,
No Xbox, PS3, Wii....

Please shoot me now

Sharpshooter

john-joe wrote: »

No I-pod,
No Mobile Phone,
No Xbox, PS3, Wii....

Please shoot me now

Pulls back trigger..

/are you sure?:pac:

GLaDOS

No, the recession is fatal to those in the 10-25 bracket

antomorro-sei

Not all teenagers are completely spoilt by their parents either.

Red Hand

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Pulls back trigger..

/are you sure?:pac:

Ah, but are you Sharp?:pac:

darkman2

jackpalance wrote: »

Well they won't starve so I suppose they'll come through it a bit wiser.

I can see starvation returning. The EU will kick this country out and throw us out of the Eurozone. The ECB is not going to keep giving this country 500 million a week just to keep us from starving. They are already threatening Greece with expulsion. We are in an even worse posistion. So scary is our posistion to them that they are acting like charity workers. Telling us we have till this year and that to sort it out. The patience and money is going to run out.

+ we won't be able to service the debt anyway. Politicians are not being honest about how tragic the situation is. This is Zimbabwe style stuff going on here.

Brian Cowen needs to make an emergency address on television to spell the situation out in black and white and activate the emergency powers act. This is more fatal to us then WW2, this current situation.

Mr. Incognito

Yes.

I couldn't think of anything wittier to such a stupid question.

netwhizkid

I can remember the early nineties and things not been too great, I think i'll survive. I think the real question we should be asking is will the Irish population be able to stay mentally intact if the weather remains as totally sh1te as it has been since Spring 2007 to now?

blackbetty69

ara, itl toughen us up.. wont be afraid to face anythin then:)

brendansmith

no, they will die soon.

john-joe

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Pulls back trigger..

/are you sure?:pac:[/quote

Come on... Come on! Do it! Do it! Come on. Come on! Kill me! I'm here! Kill me! I'm here! Kill me! Come on! Kill me! I'm here! Come on! Do it now! Kill me!

Arnie (predator) :-)

dan719

darkman2 wrote: »

I can see starvation returning. The EU will kick this country out and throw us out of the Eurozone. The ECB is not going to keep giving this country 500 million a week just to keep us from starving. They are already threatening Greece with expulsion. We are in an even worse posistion. So scary is our posistion to them that they are acting like charity workers. Telling us we have till this year and that to sort it out. The patience and money is going to run out.

What a crock of sh*t. Starvation? We have some of the most fertile fields in Europe, we have more fish in our waters than anyone else in Europe. This is a country that should never starve in the future, some people might need to discover a bit of manual labour, and hard work, but that's about it.

Anyway, the EU can't throw us out. They have already created a precedent with the SGP by refusing to fine big countries, now they are stuck with us.

CT is that way.

Naikon

As a kid of the '90's, the lack of materialistic ego fuelling is nice for
a change. I do think Ireland will probably end up with the same fate
as Iceland if things continue the way they are.

People will eventually start *figuratively* eating each other if resources
become very scare. Poxy times ahead. Hopefully, I can leave this place
when I have the means to do so.

The 90's was a far better decade to grow up in than post 2000 Ireland.

darkman2

dan719 wrote: »

What a crock of sh*t. Starvation? We have some of the most fertile fields in Europe,

Eh yeah - did not stop the famine did it? - no money = no food.

brendansmith

darkman2 wrote: »

Eh yeah - did not stop the famine did it? - no money = no food.

Do you think we are going to starve? Really? Do you really think that? Jesus man, get a grip!

Naikon

Money talks:(

There are far worse off countries than Ireland at present though.
I am lucky to still be alive...

dan719

darkman2 wrote: »

Eh yeah - did not stop the famine did it? - no money = no food.

Yes, because the famine and today are identical sitiuations. :rolleyes: Are you seriously telling me, that if you were starving to death, you would have neither the ability nor the knowledge to do any of the following;

*Throw a net across one of the many rivers in Ireland or go fishing at sea and shoot some nets.
* Live off berrys and the like
* Grow your own veg

Because,if so, you probably will starve in the appopalytic scenario you predict.

darkman2

brendansmith wrote: »

Do you think we are going to starve? Really? Do you really think that? Jesus man, get a grip!

It is a real risk that this country is in a state of collapse like a 3rd world African country - if you don't understand the gravity of the situation then it is you that needs to get a grip.

darkman2

dan719 wrote: »

*Throw a net across one of the many rivers in Ireland or go fishing at sea and shoot some nets.
* Live off berrys and the like
* Grow your own veg

You think people could not do that during the famine? No money means no food. I don't see what is hard to understand about that. Im really shocked so many people are still in denial about the reality of our situation. The country is already bankrupt. We won't be able to service our debts. Do people not accept this yet? FFS.

brendansmith

darkman2 wrote: »

It is a real risk that this country is in a state of collapse like a 3rd world African country - if you don't understand the gravity of the situation then it is you that needs to get a grip.

Oh god. Seriously. Stop will you. Im embarrassed.

Piste

Lol OP have you ever actually met anyone who grew up in the 90s and 00s? The kids born in the 00s probably don't realise the full extent of what's going on, the kids born in the early-mid nineties are all in their mid-late teens and aren't as selfish and clueless as you give us credit for. Most people realise that sacrifices have to be made and the vast majority of teenagers will accept that we'll get less handouts from the parents and privileges. It's only a few selfish people who will feel they are entitled to more than their parents can afford and I think that has more to do with them being selfish people than a product of the Celtic Tiger.

Of course we'll "survive" the recession. We're in a pretty good place, with most of us either still in school or with a few years of college ahead of us. We're in a better position than most as we wont be looking for jobs for another few years.

The Celtic Tiger was the norm for us, I don't think Ireland was in recession when I was born and it was certainly boom-time when I became aware of the world around me. People say "welcome to the real world" about the recession. Well for me "the real world" is economic success; I have never known anything other than successful clothes shops and coffee shops on every street. Do you know what? This isn't a bad thing. The norm should be a successful economy and families with disposable income. Instead of criticising a generation who has only known economic success (through no fault of our own) we should be striving to make sure all subsequent generations experience the success and wealth we did.

Instead of instilling me with a sense of entitlement, having grown up in the heyday of the Celtic Tiger means I know that things can be better, that a sun holiday a year and disposable income are attainable, desirable things and worth working towards. Seeing older relatives leave college and swan into lucrative jobs gives me confidence and hope about what my prospects will be when I leave college and the recession will (hopefully) be over.

If anything, the Celtic Tiger has not made us unable to cope with economic downturn, but has given us the necessary skills required to motivate ourselves through it and give us a greater appreciation for what we're trying to reattain.

metalfest

anyone else coming to tesco to stock up before the apocalypse ?:rolleyes:

brendansmith

metalfest wrote: »

anyone else coming to tesco to stock up before the apocalypse ?:rolleyes:

Sorry mate Im going to see where i can get an AK47 and aids to prepare for our Africanisation.


We can become pirates!!!!!!!

congo_90

I was born in 1990 (clue in username)
I'm still alive.

I'm surviving this recession just fine by working hard and not moaning about the current condition.
If we're gonna have generic statements then how come the very people from the 70's and 80's are the ones who were off spending like it was their last day. Buying shiny new cars every year? It is that generation who gave people in mine the ipod etc every birthday, christmas (not me personally though).

-> It's a recession. Get over it. <- My generations answer.

darkman2

Piste wrote: »

economic downturn,.

This is not as stated above - this is a financial collapse of a country. Call it what it is - not wholly language. TBH im shocked at this stage that people don't fully understand the consequences of the situation the country is in. With a collapse there is a time lag. Things on the surface - physical things - still suggest wealth of some sort. The country is now bust. This is a failed state but for the 500 million a week at a debt rate we cannot afford even in two years. The country is going to collapse, probrably into anarchy first. There may be a failed revolution but the writing is on the wall. How people can still have such notions and preconceptions is beyond me. The state of this country horrifies me. I think people are in denial that we are €24 billion in the red this year. This is catastophic. It is really too late to be talking about being ok. We are not ok. This time next year maybe people will really grasp the scope of the situation. The IMF will have been in by then of course.

donmeister

WERE ALL GONNA DIE!!!*

*We'll, us teens and kids, not the older folk,they will be grand.

Piste

darkman2 wrote: »

This is not as stated above - this is a financial collapse of a country. Call it what it is - not wholly language. TBH im shocked at this stage that people don't fully understand the consequences of the situation the country is in. With a collapse there is a time lag. Things on the surface - physical things - still suggest wealth of some sort. The country is now bust. This is a failed state but for the 500 million a week at a debt rate we cannot afford even in two years. The country is going to collapse, probrably into anarchy first. There may be a failed revolution but the writing is on the wall. How people can still have such notions and preconceptions is beyond me. The state of this country horrifies me. I think people are in denial that we are €24 billion in the red this year. This is catastophic. It is really too late to be talking about being ok. We are not ok. This time next year maybe people will really grasp the scope of the situation. The IMF will have been in by then of course.

Ok yes things are bad. We get it. You've pretty much said that in all your posts.


Now what has that to do with the generation of the 90s and 00s? Considering it was the people of the 50s and 60s that got us into this mess to begin with with their irresponsible lending and policies, and the people of the 70s and 80s with their irresponsible borrowing, I'd worry more about their coping abilities than ours.

OPENROAD

darkman2 wrote: »

This is not as stated above - this is a financial collapse of a country. Call it what it is - not wholly language. TBH im shocked at this stage that people don't fully understand the consequences of the situation the country is in. With a collapse there is a time lag. Things on the surface - physical things - still suggest wealth of some sort. The country is now bust. This is a failed state but for the 500 million a week at a debt rate we cannot afford even in two years. The country is going to collapse, probrably into anarchy first. There may be a failed revolution but the writing is on the wall. How people can still have such notions and preconceptions is beyond me. The state of this country horrifies me. I think people are in denial that we are €24 billion in the red this year. This is catastophic. It is really too late to be talking about being ok. We are not ok. This time next year maybe people will really grasp the scope of the situation. The IMF will have been in by then of course.

It is unlikely the IMF will come imo,can't see the EU allowing the IMF to come into a Eurozone country, though what will happen is that the IMF/EU will force us to make the cutbacks, as it is they have given us another year but they will want to see the govt start to make cuts NOW.

dan719

darkman2 wrote: »

You think people could not do that during the famine? No money means no food. I don't see what is hard to understand about that. Im really shocked so many people are still in denial about the reality of our situation. The country is already bankrupt. We won't be able to service our debts. Do people not accept this yet? FFS.

Actually it is generally accepted that people in the famine did not the neccessary skills or technology to exploit our seas. And I'm pretty sure that the vegatable option was destroyed by blight. :rolleyes:

You are scaremongering, and your posts are full of sh*t. I don't know whether you live in an urban or rural area, but you obviously have no familiarity with food producing sectors of the economy, where self consumption of product is so common, it is seen as vital to include it in GDP statistics.

Pride Fighter

darkman2 wrote: »

Eh yeah - did not stop the famine did it? - no money = no food.

We only produce enough food for 40 million people so yes we will starve:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

john-joe

Piste wrote: »

Ok yes things are bad. We get it. You've pretty much said that in all your posts.


Now what has that to do with the generation of the 90s and 00s? Considering it was the people of the 50s and 60s that got us into this mess to begin with with their irresponsible lending and policies, and the people of the 70s and 80s with their irresponsible borrowing, I'd worry more about their coping abilities than ours.

All tidied up in this post,

good work batman

thatsa spicy

To be honest, I'd be more worried for the kids of the 70's and 80's than those of the 90's and 00's! They lived through bad times before and so only have themselves to blame for racking up huge debts and, as a collective group, leading the country down the shtter.

We're young and free of committments; we can jump ship when things pick up globally in a year or two.

We can sit out the bleakest years in full time education while living off weetabix in college.

Plus; when 50% of the under 25 age group is unemployed we can all just get fcuked up on our 100 quid a week dole...joke

Herbal Deity

Starvation!!???

I've been laughing at my screen for about 10 mins now.

darkman2

Herbal Deity wrote: »

Starvation!!???

I've been laughing at my screen for about 10 mins now.

We will see who is laughing (though I think no one will be) in a few years. The rich, like me, will have gone. So I won't need to laugh. Merely feel angry and sorry for those that remain and will, of course, remember the ignorance of what I am saying. Delude yourselves further. Think the good thoughts that someone else will bail us out once again. It ain't gonna happen. This is only making things even worse.

koHd

the OP is clearly trolling.

jetfiremuck

What I think is most worrying is the delay in getting benefits, means testing for everything and that magic number above which you are on your own no medical card etc. How are those people going to deal with that. Not going to be pretty.

john-joe

koHd wrote: »

Ban the OP. He'd clearly trolling.

Might be best to use the report button, if you think that......

smellslikeshoes

If like the OP says people are going to start starving soon what difference would it make being a child from the 80s over a child from the 90s? Did 80s children get survival training in school or something that I missed?


Darkman2 you seriously need to take off the tinfoil hat.

aftermn

Don't think that starvation is a real danger.

However, unemployment is a form of starvation. It is an emotional/psychological starvation, and it looks like it will be around for years to come.

Don't want to be too negative though. If anyone can solve this problem it is the younger members of our population. Off your arses boys, finger out and get on with it. We need you.

darkman2

john-joe wrote: »

Might be best to use the report button, if you think that......

No, no this is natural in a catastrophic recession. People don't like wealthy people. It is all part of the collapse. It is understandable of course. I understand it but won't stay in this country as it collapses. Those people have no choice. Though I hope they get out in time.

thatsa spicy

darkman2 wrote: »

TBH im shocked at this stage that people don't fully understand the consequences of the situation the country is in.

Plenty, in fact most, of us understand the catastrophic position we are in with regard to the public finances. Thing is though, the most the government can do without imposing severe hardship on many people, is trim it down year by year.

One thing I was thinking. Don't they say Fianna Fails manifesto in 1977 led to the crisis in the eighties? That was one irresponsible and overly generous budget. What long-term damage is almost a decade of overly-generous budgets likely to do? No such thing as a free lunch and now were paying the price!

koHd

john-joe wrote: »

Might be best to use the report button, if you think that......

Yea. Thought I'd edit my words and just report him.

Every post from the OP is clearly just trying to get a negative reaction.

john-joe

I think somebody has had too much cherry...:rolleyes:

darkman2

koHd wrote: »

Yea. Thought I'd edit my words and just report him.

Every post from the OP is clearly just trying to get a negative reaction.

My social status and realistic outlook may upset you but hardly my problem is it? It is your problem. Make no mistake about that.


I am just trying to get my point of view across and im glad some actually realise how dangerous the state of the country is. Because if many don't realise it yet - there is no hope of correcting it and climbing the Everest this country has to climb.

koHd

darkman2 wrote: »

My social status and realistic outlook may upset you but hardly my problem is it? It is your problem. Make no mistake about that.


I am just trying to get my point of view across and im glad some actually realise how dangerous the state of the country is.

I know nothing of your social status.

I simply think you are talking bull to get negative responses.

brendansmith

john-joe wrote: »

I think somebody has popped too much cherry...:rolleyes:

What does sex have to do with it?

darkman2

koHd wrote: »

I know nothing of your social status.

I simply think you are talking bull to get negative responses.

If you want to ignore reality and live your bubble till it bursts who am I too complain? If you don't except the seriousness of the situation then I feel sorry really. Fianna Fail nearly brought this country to obliteration twice before. This time they have succeeded. So are you going to say to me now - don't say anything because it is too negative? How in gods name could anyone not be negative? The stats are there. The country is bankrupt.