Limerick Mayor calls for deportation of unemployed EU nationals

DonJose

The Mayor of Limerick has provoked outrage by calling for unemployed EU nationals in Ireland to be deported.

Councillor Kevin Kiely says anyone living here who ‘can’t afford to pay for themselves’ should be sent home after three months.

Mayor Kiely is denying accusations that his comments amount to racism – but they have sparked calls for his resignation with local Labour MEP Alan Kelly slamming them as ‘outrageous’.

http://www.newstalk.ie/news/news-headlines/limerick-mayor-calls-for-deportation-of-eu-nationals/

stovelid

DonJose wrote: »

The Mayor of Limerick has provoked outrage by calling for unemployed EU nationals in Ireland to be deported.

Councillor Kevin Kiely says anyone living here who ‘can’t afford to pay for themselves’ should be sent home after three months.

Mayor Kiely is denying accusations that his comments amount to racism – but they have sparked calls for his resignation with local Labour MEP Alan Kelly slamming them as ‘outrageous’.

http://www.newstalk.ie/news/news-headlines/limerick-mayor-calls-for-deportation-of-eu-nationals/

Irish people are EU nationals.

So if you deported every unemployed EU national in Limerick, the place would be empty.

Dyr

Kinda depends, we're in a major recession so Irish citizens should be the states priority above all else. Of course we've signed the ability to act in our own best interests away a treaty or two back, huzzah for europa

Menengroth™

stovelid wrote: »

Irish people are EU nationals.

So if you deported every unemployed EU national in Limerick, the place would be empty.

sounds like an improvement

Turner

Dont see the problem to be honest.

As long as they dont start paying them..

Sizzler wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1109/denmark.html

DonJose

I believe that if they worked and paid taxes in Ireland then they should be paid unemployment benefits up to the amount they paid in tax, for example if they paid €12,000 in taxes and their unemployment benefits are €1,000/month, they should be paid unemployment benefits for a year. Ireland is an easy touch compared to other European countries who pay little or no unemployment benefits. Better still, pay them the equivalent they would receive in their home country.

super_furry

stovelid wrote: »

Irish people are EU nationals.

So if you deported every unemployed EU national in Limerick, the place would be empty.

Which would be a really good start actually.

Liam Byrne

Australia does this; you need a job to be there.

What's the issue ?

We're hearing about 20-something children who have to "return home" to their parent's house because they're not earning......what's the difference in this scenario ?

If you're in a company and you contribute, you get paid; if not, you're not there any more.

If anyone is working (or, I would suggest, contributing to society in other ways - e.g. community work - because not everything is monetary) and thereby proving that they're interested in contributing / pulling their weight, then they're welcome.

Also, bear in mind that he also - I think - suggested that "our own" unemployed should contribute via community work in order to get their dole.

Racism aside, the one thing that would cast doubt on this idea is the fact that if all other countries imposed this on our "illegal immigrants" or non-working immigrants, we'd end up at a net loss, because there would be more people coming home than leaving.

So it's definitely not racism.

General Zod

my SO is English. should she be deported?

Captain Furball

General Zod wrote: »

my SO is English. should she be deported?

Yes

General Zod

why?

Captain Furball

I'm sorry.Were you looking for a no?

Morlar

DonJose wrote: »

I believe that if they worked and paid taxes in Ireland then they should be paid unemployment benefits up to the amount they paid in tax, for example if they paid €12,000 in taxes and their unemployment benefits are €1,000/month, they should be paid unemployment benefits for a year. Ireland is an easy touch compared to other European countries who pay little or no unemployment benefits. Better still, pay them the equivalent they would receive in their home country.

A fairer system would be for the EU citizen to recieve benefits wherever they are in europe - providing they are paid for by their own government.

That way they could stay wherever they want however long they like & so long as their national rules on eligibility for unemployment benefit/assistance are being met and paid for by their own country then there is no issue whatsoever. No bullshít allegations of racism or xenophobia - purely economical measures.

General Zod

Captain Furball wrote: »

I'm sorry.Were you looking for a no?

I'm looking for someone who agrees with the deportation of "EU nationals" to explain why she should be deported.

super_furry

General Zod wrote: »

why?

Cos she's English! They eat our babies and chop off our heads!

funk-you

Wikipedia wrote:

About 41% of all housing in the city is local authority, the highest in Ireland. The unemployment rate in the city in the 2006 census was the highest in the Republic, at 14.6%

People should leave if "they can't afford to pay for themselves"? Goodbye to half your population Mr. Limerick Mayor man.

-Funk

Captain Furball

General Zod wrote: »

I'm looking for someone who agrees with the deportation of "EU nationals" to explain why she should be deported.

Is she working?

Liam Byrne

DonJose wrote: »

I believe that if they worked and paid taxes in Ireland then they should be paid unemployment benefits up to the amount they paid in tax, for example if they paid €12,000 in taxes and their unemployment benefits are €1,000/month, they should be paid unemployment benefits for a year. Ireland is an easy touch compared to other European countries who pay little or no unemployment benefits. Better still, pay them the equivalent they would receive in their home country.

Nice idea in theory, however it wouldn't be that straightforward, because at least some of that tax would have gone towards OTHER services that they've used during the year.

So while 3 months might be a bit extreme, you'd probably be looking at a maximum of 6 months or something if you implemented a version of that idea.

BTW, the ridiculous Limerick-bashing is pathetic and stereotypical. There's lots of individual Dubs that we'd be better off without too (e.g. Ahern), but those few individuals wouldn't make me rude or ignorant enough to suggest that if we got rid of them all that the country would be better off.

Maybe if we deported Ahern plus all the ignorant prejudicial ones who post sweeping generalisations like that on message boards that'd improve things....

Liam Byrne

funk-you wrote: »

People should leave if "they can't afford to pay for themselves"? Goodbye to half your population Mr. Limerick Mayor man.

-Funk

14.6% is half ?

Do you even know what "local authority housing" involves ? People do pay for it, you know!!

General Zod

Captain Furball wrote: »

Is she working?

Not under the Irish taxation system, no.

Captain Furball

Liam Byrne wrote: »

14.6% is half ?

But that 14.6% are not Irish people.

Captain Furball

General Zod wrote: »

Not under the Irish taxation system, no.

What other tax system is she working under?

Mossy Monk

Non EU citizens I would agree with.

Liam Byrne

Captain Furball wrote: »

But that 14.6% are not Irish people.

Anything to back up that claim ?

Anyway, that wasn't my point.

Captain Furball

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Non EU citizens I would agree with.

Why because there not white?

General Zod

Captain Furball wrote: »

What other tax system is she working under?

The UK.

Liam Byrne

General Zod wrote: »

Not under the Irish taxation system, no.

What does that mean ? If she's working and living here, then she should be "under the Irish taxation system".

Liam Byrne

Captain Furball wrote: »

Why because there not white?

All Americans and Australians are black ? News to me !!! :eek:

Maybe it's because they don't know the difference between "there" and "they're" ?

Captain Furball

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Anything to back up that claim ?

Anyway, that wasn't my point.

My point was if your not in a job and your irish then stay in your own country.

Captain Furball

General Zod wrote: »

The UK.

Your having a laugh or what?
I'd actually arrest her and deport her.

Liam Byrne

Captain Furball wrote: »

My point was if your not in a job and your irish then stay in your own country.

But your post had nothing to do with that "point" !

It mentioned the 14.6% unemployed, claiming that there were none of those Irish.

Captain Furball

Liam Byrne wrote: »

All Americans and Australians are black ? News to me !!! :eek:

Maybe it's because they don't know the difference between "there" and "they're" ?

I'm try to play the race card stop that now....
If you do that again i will call you a racist and your argument about my english is null and void ok?

Most non eu country "folk" look up the word folk.Are not white.That's why i said that. :pac:

Captain Furball

Liam Byrne wrote: »

But your post had nothing to do with that "point" !

It mentioned the 14.6% unemployed, claiming that there were none of those Irish.

I was trying to bolster your point you took it the wrong way.

funk-you

Liam Byrne wrote: »

14.6% is half ?

Do you even know what "local authority housing" involves ? People do pay for it, you know!!

The Employment Rate for the Limerick City is 48.4%. That is inclusive of all the population of Limerick (Men, Women, children, elderly etc.)

And yes I do know what it involves.

-Funk

JoeFitz89

Arsonist wrote: »

i think all non EU without a job should be sent home and non irish on the dole should be the same amount their country pays. it would make them go home because they couldn't afford to stay here

Thats exactly what should be done straight away couldnt agree with you more.

mike65

As EU nationals cannot be expelled on any grounds I suspect the mayor has merely seen an opportunity to make himself look good in front of the population of unemployed criminals that constitutes Limerick.

General Zod

Captain Furball wrote: »

Your having a laugh or what?
I'd actually arrest her and deport her.

for what?

dr.bollocko

To come out and say something like that in this manner really is moronic tbh.

Captain Furball

General Zod wrote: »

for what?

For being English?
She's probably getting the dole as well is she?

Coriolanus

mike65 wrote: »

As EU nationals cannot be expelled on any grounds I suspect the mayor has merely seen an opportunity to make himself look good in front of the population of unemployed criminals that constitutes Limerick.

They can if they present a threat to national security. It's what that idiot Berlusconi trumped up as an excuse to deport a bunch of Roma.

General Zod

JoeFitz89 wrote: »

Thats exactly what should be done straight away couldnt agree with you more.

Half a shilling on Phoenix Nights.

Fratton Fred

so when I was unemployed last year, I should have been deported back to England, leaving my family in Ireland (unless he proposes deporting Irish dependants of non Irish Nationals as well) to fend for themselves.

He may need to make a bit of room because all the unemployed pikeys (sorry, we now have to call them "Caravan Utilising Nomadic Travellers) in England come from Limerick, still, at least he'll get his driveway tarmacked on the cheap....mister.

There may be one or two flaws in this eejits plan. Still, as long as he's got a job that's the main thing.

CoDy1

mike65 wrote: »

As EU nationals cannot be expelled on any grounds I suspect the mayor has merely seen an opportunity to make himself look good in front of the population of unemployed criminals that constitutes Limerick.

I see your generalisation and raise you:

Eveyone in Waterford has a retarded accent and are called Mossy.

General Zod

Captain Furball wrote: »

For being English?
She's probably getting the dole as well is she?

No actually. never received a penny in benefits since she moved here.

Zulu

What? ...deport Roma?
Great idea!


But wouldn't we need proof? Links or something??

Coriolanus

General Zod wrote: »

No actually. never received a penny in benefits since she moved here.

How is she working here but paying into the UK tax system though? That's what's confusing people I think.

Captain Furball

General Zod wrote: »

No actually. never received a penny in benefits since she moved here.

So what did you ask the should my english princess be deported question for?I'm lost for words lol wtf is going on?

General Zod

Nevore wrote: »

How is she working here but paying into the UK tax system though? That's what's confusing people I think.

Under the Irish system, she's not working here. She works (from home) for her own family company (just 2 of them involved) and files UK taxation. The company is registered and based in the UK.

My point is, she doesn't pay Irish tax as she doesn't work under the Irish taxation system. She doesn't avail of Irish benefits.

So should she be deported also?

conorhal

Bambi wrote: »

Kinda depends, we're in a major recession so Irish citizens should be the states priority above all else. Of course we've signed the ability to act in our own best interests away a treaty or two back, huzzah for europa

Then you'll be pleased to hear that numpty Dermot Ahern has, in the worst period of unemployment in a decade, extended from three months to six the length of time a non-EU national can remain in the country to look for further employment if they loose their job.

F.F.S What kind of retarded thinking is that? citizens of this country (and EU) are suffering record levels of unemployment and Ahern does this? He should have put a hold on working visas to enter this country with the limited exception of high end jobs that companies cannot fill any other way.

Also there is a MAJOR loophole in the law that allows EU nationals to claim benefits here if they have worked in any other EU country apart from their own for 3 months. When you consider how generous out benefits are here compared to the UK it's not surprising that we are getting welfare tourism by spongers.

Captain Furball

General Zod wrote: »

Under the Irish system, she's not working here. She works (from home) for her own family company (just 2 of them involved) and files UK taxation. The company is registered and based in the UK.

My point is, she doesn't pay Irish tax as she doesn't work under the Irish taxation system. She doesn't avail of Irish benefits.

So should she be deported also?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

Coriolanus

General Zod wrote: »

Under the Irish system, she's not working here. She works (from home) for her own family company (just 2 of them involved) and files UK taxation. The company is registered and based in the UK.

My point is, she doesn't pay Irish tax as she doesn't work under the Irish taxation system. She doesn't avail of Irish benefits.

So should she be deported also?

Interesting, I didn't know that was possible.