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Izevbakhai Case Restarts...again.

  • 07-11-2009 7:43pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭


    Interesting slant from the "Paper of Record" to Pamela Izevbekhai`s return to the Supreme Court on Friday (6Th).

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1107/1224258280658.html

    The article saw fit to merely refer in passing that Ms Izevbekhai`s newly accquired Legal team never even managed to get out of the traps and as a result the were applying to come "off the record" in relation to the lady.

    In the normal course of events a member of the general public undertaking to represent themselves at Supreme Court level would merit quite a few column inches,but not in this case.

    Instead the Irish Times article focuses upon some new revelations from Ms Izevbekhai including a new Nigerian Doctor named Ori.


    Quite what we are to make of the Threatening Postcard as a verifiable reason for her "new" laywers to shy away from handling her case is anybodys guess.

    Equally her complaint that Nigeria`s Chief Justice and it`s Ambassador to Ireland were undermining her credibility may indeed be accurate,but all it did for me was stretch her credibility to snapping point !!

    However,I remain unconvinced that the Supreme Court would indulge other less celebrated respondents to the extent that Pamela Izevbekhai is being (expensively) indulged.

    So we now have another adjournment to facilitate God knows what ruminations are necessary to even attach a veil of veracity to the ongoing story.......I wonder will the taxing master ever get to inspect the costs attaching to this case :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Big_Mac


    I caught the tail end of an article on the News during the week, and the case is adourned until next thursday where she will be representing herself.

    Another article from the independent where her challenges against the new affadavits that were submitted was rejected.

    Her story does appear to be coming unstuck very quickly.

    How can another doctor produce a death certificate in relation to her alleged daughters death when she claimed herself that Dr Unokanjo was the doctor that signed the cert in the first place - did she forget?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    In the whole of Ireland can at least one fat lady be found that can sing an end to this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Big_Mac


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    In the whole of Ireland can at least one fat lady be found that can sing an end to this.


    Thursday hopefully........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭MrMicra


    I wonder how much money the department of Justice has spent to expel this woman from Ireland for no obvious reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    This has not been an auspicious year for the High and Supreme Courts of Ireland

    What should be regarded as the highest arbiters of the rule of law in this country have been reduced to a disneyesque travesty,firstly by the Izevbekhai appearances and the apparent unwillingness of even the highest Courts to simply say, enough !

    Then as if that had not inflicted enough damage to credibility,along came Liam Carroll and the Zoe group with a retinue of the highest and mightiest of the Law Library.

    These two sets of litigants between them have wreaked terrible and as yet unappreciated damage to the entire concept of the administration of the Law...and as for Justice,perhaps it`s best not to go there,particularly if one is a simple 5/8ths who pays for it all :mad:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    I wonder how much money the department of Justice has spent to expel this woman from Ireland for no obvious reason.

    I suppose somewhere buried deep in here is some form of answer to the "obvious" bit..
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055261880

    Or then again perhaps not ?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055585513

    Who knows perhaps the debate will restart...these things have a habit of not going away :rolleyes:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    The sooner that conniving bitch is turfed out of the country for good the better. Enough is enough is enough ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭opo


    This post has been deleted.

    No.

    The postcard was a red herring and a clumsy attempt to come off record without the solicitors having to spell out (yet again) that their client is an abject liar and incapable of presenting a credible case to themselves - never mind offer something that they could credibly bring to the SC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    I`m open to correction but was this Legal Team the second,newly accquired one ?

    There is something more than a little odd about how the greater body of the Irish Legal Proffession has become enmeshed in this womans always shaky case.

    I say full marks to the Minister and his Department for pursuing this case as it strikes to the core of the relationship between The Law and the People.

    It would have been oh so much easier for them to go down the "Who will think of the Children" road with all the resultant plaudits from the breathless observers.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    "Take my advice, back off now. Pamela is the greatest con artist ever."

    The writer claimed Ms Izevbekhai was "making a fool out of the Irish people and costing tax to Irish people". The writer added: "I know, I am Nigerian, she manipulates everybody."

    That's what was on the postcard and yet that's considered threatentening? :D
    If I ever employ lawyers I want them to fight for me. If that's enough to get them to quit maybe my Ms Izebbakhai is better off without them
    opo wrote: »
    No.

    The postcard was a red herring and a clumsy attempt to come off record without the solicitors having to spell out (yet again) that their client is an abject liar and incapable of presenting a credible case to themselves - never mind offer something that they could credibly bring to the SC.

    Ah., what I suspected, thanks for confirming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    This post has been deleted.

    They may be awaiting developments with the case, to see if the new "evidence" being submitted by Pamela is at least enough to allow them to pretend that its credible, or else they're waiting for her appeal to be dismissed and the order for deportation to be signed so they can break out the righteous indignation on behalf of the children.

    It's close enough to Christmas for that card to be played, and I believe that one of the girls has a birthday in December, and Jemima is around 7 so she might be making her First Communion this year, so those work as fuel for "Won't somebody think of the children?!".

    Alternatively, they could insist that Pamela is in danger if she returns to Nigeria, either from the authorities or from her in-laws who could be justifiably upset if they have been falsely accused of murdering a baby and of trying to kidnap and mutilate their granddaughters, so she has to stay in Ireland because of that.

    There's also the length of time they've been in Ireland... let's all pretend that this isn't because Pamela evaded a deportation order in 2005 and has been bombarding the courts with appeal after appeal after appeal since then... and the argument that this gives them the right to stay, regardless of the reason why they have stayed for so long.



    By the way, has the mysterious Adrian Izevbekhai made an appearance yet? If Pamela wants prove the Dr Unokanjo is lying about her having a child before 2000, then the existence of a teenage son, on whom a DNA test could be performed to prove his identity, would take care of that nicely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    By the way, has the mysterious Adrian Izevbekhai made an appearance yet?

    HollyB,never mind Adrian...I`d be more interested in the comings and goings of Anthony,the husband.....now there`s a silent partner if I ever heard one... :o


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    HollyB,never mind Adrian...I`d be more interested in the comings and goings of Anthony,the husband.....now there`s a silent partner if I ever heard one... :o

    What about the in-laws? They're being accused of pressurizing Pamela and Tony into a procedure that killed their alleged eldest daughter, not to mention attempting to kidnap Naomi and Jemima to have them mutilated.

    Where are the newspaper interviews from journalists who have tracked them down - which shouldn't be too difficult; by the sounds of things, they're practically a royal family over there, with fingers in every pie in the country and spies in every village, ready to report sightings of Pamela and her daughters should they return to Nigeria, so they should be fairly prominent people - to find out why they're so determined to have their granddaughters mutilated but, at the same time, apparently not determined enough to track them to Ireland, given that they know what they look like and where they live, thanks to the media coverage?

    With Adrian Izevbekhai, assuming that he exists, proving that he is alive and that he is Pamela's son means that she had a child pre-2000, something that will bolster her case. Where is he?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 932 ✭✭✭PaulieD


    Is the tax payer picking up the tab for her legal fees?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭opo


    PaulieD wrote: »
    Is the tax payer picking up the tab for her legal fees?

    Yes.

    Win or lose - the states outlay in solicitors and the (ab)use of the courts will be paid for by the taxpayer as she will claim an inability to pay either way.

    The final kick in the teeth will be paying for her expulsion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    PaulieD wrote: »
    Is the tax payer picking up the tab for her legal fees?

    Well, if she's representing herself, I assume that the tax payer doesn't have to pay her to do so but she's racked up a huge legal bill so far and, even if she and her husband are as comfortably off as she claims to be, I doubt that they'll be paying off so much as a tenth of the bill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    I find it absolutely incredible that she is still trying to push her case. She has been unable to verify any part of her claim and at this stage her story has been torn to shreds from start to finish. Even her hardcore supporters have disappeared from the stage and she is persisting with rubbing their noses in it.

    It says it all to me that no legal team is willing to represent her now even though the asylum court list is as long as ever. The Supreme Court will hopefully come down hard in their judgment as state that this is a scandalous waste of the Court's time.

    She has done incredible damage to those genuinely in need of protection and it would not surprise me if she has another trick up her sleeve to work the system in her favour and persist with every challenge possible. If god forbid she was eventually granted permission to stay here, she can spend the next 40 years paying off her legal fees like the rest of us would have to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    EF wrote: »
    I find it absolutely incredible that she is still trying to push her case.

    What does she have to lose at this point? She's not the one footing the bill for this farce, we are. We're paying for the legal costs, not to mention the costs of accommodating her and her daughters since their arrival in Ireland. If she loses, she goes back to Nigeria and to her life there, leaving her bills for us to pay and, on the off chance that she wins, she won't be pursued for legal costs.

    I wonder if she would still be pursuing the case if the state had the option of recovering her legal costs from her, in cooperation with the Nigerian authorities, by seizing assets she and her husband have in Nigeria, and she had to pay for everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    HollyB wrote: »
    What does she have to lose at this point? She's not the one footing the bill for this farce, we are. We're paying for the legal costs, not to mention the costs of accommodating her and her daughters since their arrival in Ireland. If she loses, she goes back to Nigeria and to her life there, leaving her bills for us to pay and, on the off chance that she wins, she won't be pursued for legal costs.

    I wonder if she would still be pursuing the case if the state had the option of recovering her legal costs from her, in cooperation with the Nigerian authorities, by seizing assets she and her husband have in Nigeria, and she had to pay for everything.

    True, if she had any bit of decency or sense of moral standards she might accept the rulings of one of ORAC, RAT, The Minister for Justice x 2 so far I think, the High Court x 2 and in the near future the Supreme Court and the ECJ. Her costs in terms of legal fees and time spent by public officials on her case must be into the millions at this stage! I like the idea of something akin to a civil assets bureau..we could even give the Nigerian authorities a sizeable bribe commission!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Sattwa69


    The Supreme Court does not rehear a case, it only confirms that the decision made by the lower court (in this case The High Court) was correct. She has taken the case to the Supreme Court only on points of Law from the previous case, but in the meantime the further revelations have emerged.

    This case is so riddled with holes that it is a farce, my only fear is that the do-gooder bleeding heart brigade will emerge again from the shadows again after the decision goes against her and plead for leniency / mercy to the Minister.

    Incidentally if any of you happen to need a Nigerian Death Certificate just google it and the last time I checked they were $20 posted to whatever address you like.

    Incidentally, her husband was arrented at one stage trying to enter the state illegally in Dundalk. This appears to be the only sighting of that rare species. One presumes that there is better PR/photo opportunity value for a 'poor woman and her two little children' to be seen. - This woman is a disgrace using her little children for her own selfish ends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭opo


    Sattwa69 wrote: »
    The Supreme Court does not rehear a case, it only confirms that the decision made by the lower court (in this case The High Court) was correct. .

    Ok, but, to the point, the State is looking to have her case dismissed as an abuse of process rather than continue with this dismal charade of adjudicating on her rejected claim for asylum from every single legal avenue possible - for years on end - with the aid of every single publicity hungry lawyer.

    That they have run a mile - speaks volumes.

    Yet, I am am still surprised that the resident against racism style morons are so quiet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    I am am still surprised that the resident against racism style morons are so quiet.

    Well opo,i`m not so sure they will remain so.

    Anybody unlucky enough to come across the RAR table at the Bank of Ireland in College Green will be fully briefed as to the sheer awfulness of the Rascist Country we inhabit.

    I`m not so sure we could apply the term "moron" to them though,as I tend to find them the exact opposite to moronic.

    They are fully entitled to hold their viewpints and to publicise and seek support for those,however they have do date merely jumped aboard every half-cause such as Pamela Izevbekhai`s and then attempted to make a cause-celebre out of it......:rolleyes:

    This tactic has not worked and has left RAR striding alongside the Socialist Workers Party and the various "motivated" entities that attach themselves to so many otherwise valid causes in Irish society...In other words the RAR are marginalized and will remain so until they see some light.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Seriously it would have been cheaper to send her to Monaco with a suitcase full of cash when the first ruling was handed down rather than go through the pain of the last few years and the millions thats been wasted on it, not to mention the detraction of any sort of credibility to the justice system that is supposed to underpin such decisions FFS.

    Let her stay and indemnify the state from providing any social welfare assistance for the duration of her stay in any shape or form, wonder if she would stay then, worth asking. I'm sure there would a q a mile long from her hoodwinked wonderful supporters looking to put her up :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Well opo,i`m not so sure they will remain so.

    Anybody unlucky enough to come across the RAR table at the Bank of Ireland in College Green will be fully briefed as to the sheer awfulness of the Rascist Country we inhabit.

    I`m not so sure we could apply the term "moron" to them though,as I tend to find them the exact opposite to moronic.

    They are fully entitled to hold their viewpints and to publicise and seek support for those,however they have do date merely jumped aboard every half-cause such as Pamela Izevbekhai`s and then attempted to make a cause-celebre out of it......:rolleyes:

    This tactic has not worked and has left RAR striding alongside the Socialist Workers Party and the various "motivated" entities that attach themselves to so many otherwise valid causes in Irish society...In other words the RAR are marginalized and will remain so until they see some light.

    It really annoys me how much publicity they get from RTÉ (doesn't really surprise me however) and the like.

    I can't understand how "state racism"=enforcement of immigration laws. In that case every country in the world who has some form of immigration policy is racist which includes almost every country in the world it seems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    segaBOY wrote: »
    It really annoys me how much publicity they get from RTÉ (doesn't really surprise me however) and the like.

    I can't understand how "state racism"=enforcement of immigration laws. In that case every country in the world who has some form of immigration policy is racist which includes almost every country in the world it seems.

    i wonder what RAR would think of the Austrailian immigration laws there known for not taking crap and yet i never here anybody going on about how unfair there system is


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    i wonder what RAR would think of the Austrailian immigration laws there known for not taking crap and yet i never here anybody going on about how unfair there system is

    Mate we have 75 idiots stuck on a customs vessel outside Indonesia that wont get off unless they are taken to Australia and no one in Aus knows how to legally remove the f**kers.

    And loads of people go on about how unfair the system is here.

    However I could never see this being swallowed. If you count up the total cost to the Irish public and private purse of every dodgy Nigerian email or phishing scam. Against the legal bill for this I wonder which cost more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    Mate we have 75 idiots stuck on a customs vessel outside Indonesia that wont get off unless they are taken to Australia and no one in Aus knows how to legally remove the f**kers.

    How long has this been going on, and how are they getting provisions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    Mate we have 75 idiots stuck on a customs vessel outside Indonesia that wont get off unless they are taken to Australia and no one in Aus knows how to legally remove the f**kers.

    And loads of people go on about how unfair the system is here.

    However I could never see this being swallowed. If you count up the total cost to the Irish public and private purse of every dodgy Nigerian email or phishing scam. Against the legal bill for this I wonder which cost more.

    could allways open up woomera again and process them there


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 911 ✭✭✭994


    MrMicra wrote: »
    I wonder how much money the department of Justice has spent to expel this woman from Ireland for no obvious reason.

    Surely filing a false claim for asylum, forging a death certificate and perjury are enough?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    It certainly would be for you 994,but remember this is a poor soul we have adopted as "one of our own".

    Civic Recpetions,Media appearances,Giant`s of the Literary World remonstrating with greater Ireland for it`s lack of similar appreciation.

    Ms Izevbekhai and her backers have succeeded in reducing the collective questioning faculties of the Country to Zero .....save for a "few angry men" on Boards.ie :)

    This has NEVER been about Pamela Izevbekhai per se.
    This has always been about the belief which a society and it`s people has in itself.
    Sadly,this has taken a pounding over the past 2 years,much of that inflicted by the Izevbekhai battery raining shells upon the Four Courts from a great height.

    It is doubtful in my mind as to whether the Courts can ever undo the damage inflicted on their processes by this person and her Legal Advisers.

    They have in many eyes reduced the Supreme Court to a parody worthy of a Monty Python sketch....and then,along came Zoe Developments :o


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭MrMicra


    Sizzler wrote: »
    Seriously it would have been cheaper to send her to Monaco with a suitcase full of cash when the first ruling was handed down rather than go through the pain of the last few years and the millions thats been wasted on it, not to mention the detraction of any sort of credibility to the justice system that is supposed to underpin such decisions FFS.
    The Refugee Appeals Tribunal is partial and arbitrary in its rulings. The people appointed to it have no expertise; the people appointed to it are appointed without clear explanation as to their fitness; the people appointed to it are typically closely connected with the governing party.

    James Nicholson who was was paid EUR 250,000 per year (by the Tribunal he may have had had other work) during resigned in 2007 because his decisions could not be stood over. He had found for the Refugee 2 times in 400 cases. When the Supreme Court decided to allow a general review of his decisions he resigned and the Refugee Appeals Tribunal made a number of secret settlements.

    James Nicholson was a former apprentice of Michael McDowell; Michael McDowell made his opinions on asylum clear.

    If the Irish government has chosen to construct the Asylum process as a goldmine for barristers that is not Pamela Izevbekhai.

    By the way I find it curious that people who KNOW that she is lying, without knowing anything about the operation of the asylum process or the law generally( except perhaps as defendants) in Ireland are so confident of the honesty of this doctor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭MrMicra


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    I
    Ms Izevbekhai and her backers have succeeded in reducing the collective questioning faculties of the Country to Zero .....save for a "few angry men" on Boards.ie :)
    What is the point of asking a question when you won't listen to the answer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    MrMicra wrote: »
    The Refugee Appeals Tribunal is partial and arbitrary in its rulings. The people appointed to it have no expertise; the people appointed to it are appointed without clear explanation as to their fitness; the people appointed to it are typically closely connected with the governing party.

    James Nicholson who was was paid EUR 250,000 per year (by the Tribunal he may have had had other work) during resigned in 2007 because his decisions could not be stood over. He had found for the Refugee 2 times in 400 cases. When the Supreme Court decided to allow a general review of his decisions he resigned and the Refugee Appeals Tribunal made a number of secret settlements.

    James Nicholson was a former apprentice of Michael McDowell; Michael McDowell made his opinions on asylum clear.

    If the Irish government has chosen to construct the Asylum process as a goldmine for barristers that is not Pamela Izevbekhai.

    By the way I find it curious that people who KNOW that she is lying, without knowing anything about the operation of the asylum process or the law generally( except perhaps as defendants) in Ireland are so confident of the honesty of this doctor.

    Are you for real? Members of the RAT are required to have had not less than five years experience as a practising barrister or practising solicitor before appointment. I dont think anyone here is defending James Nicholson. Bias was found to be an issue in his case and he resigned. His cases were/are also being reviewed and I have never heard of a court settlement being made public without the consent of both parties..have you? They are by their nature private agreements between the parties involved!

    The trouble with Pamela is that she has not been able to prove one single part of her claim! She admitted herself that the death certificate was a forgery so why did she need to do this? Until a few months ago her case was proceeding on the basis that she was entirely credible regarding her claim that she lost her infant daughter to FGM, but even still if it were true and this is the crucial bit, she does not come within the definition of a refugee or a person in need of subsidiary protection, even putting all the lies aside.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    EF wrote: »
    The trouble with Pamela is that she has not been able to prove one single part of her claim! She admitted herself that the death certificate was a forgery so why did she need to do this? Until a few months ago her case was proceeding on the basis that she was entirely credible regarding her claim that she lost her infant daughter to FGM, but even still if it were true and this is the crucial bit, she does not come within the definition of a refugee or a person in need of subsidiary protection, even putting all the lies aside.

    If Elizabeth Izevbekhai existed, where is she buried? Pamela has claimed that, in Nigeria, mothers don't know where their children's graves are - are their any Nigerian posters who can confirm or deny that this is the case? - but somebody would have to know where the grave is. Get a DNA sample and compare it to Pamela's DNA. Even if the cause of death can't be confirmed, they'd at least be able to confirm that Pamela actually had a daughter before Naomi.

    After the false death certificate, another paper isn't enough, not unless it is proven to be a genuine document. DNA is unlikely to lie.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    HollyB wrote: »
    If Elizabeth Izevbekhai existed, where is she buried? Pamela has claimed that, in Nigeria, mothers don't know where their children's graves are - are their any Nigerian posters who can confirm or deny that this is the case? - but somebody would have to know where the grave is. Get a DNA sample and compare it to Pamela's DNA. Even if the cause of death can't be confirmed, they'd at least be able to confirm that Pamela actually had a daughter before Naomi.

    After the false death certificate, another paper isn't enough, not unless it is proven to be a genuine document. DNA is unlikely to lie.

    While confirmation of the actual existence or lacktherof of Pamela's daughter, Elizabeth, who supposedly died following an FGM procedure, would be very useful in putting an end to the speculation surrounding her credibility, I imagine Pamela will stick to her claim that she does not know where Elizabeth is buried, as she had to flee the imminent threat of persecution from her in-laws.

    In an ideal world, the State would have all the necessary resources available to it at the drop of a hat to thoroughly investigate and defend each and every case, but with the High Court asylum list overflowing with judicial reviews and the inevitable cutbacks in public sector expenditure, it is simply asking too much to allocate the resources required to properly investigate the gaping holes in this case. This case can and will be easily won anyway in my opinion, in both the Supreme Court and if necessary in the ECJ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    EF wrote: »
    In an ideal world, the State would have all the necessary resources available to it at the drop of a hat to thoroughly investigate and defend each and every case, but with the High Court asylum list overflowing with judicial reviews and the inevitable cutbacks in public sector expenditure, it is simply asking too much to allocate the resources required to properly investigate the gaping holes in this case. It can and will be fairly easily won anyway in my opinion

    In an ideal world, the State would be able to trust that nobody would ever seek to abuse the asylum system and that every claimant was genuinely seeking refuge from persecution, with no attempts to make false or exaggerated claims, no asylum shopping, and no use of the asylum system as a back door for economic migration, which would mean that every claimant could be taken at his or her word and granted asylum on arrival.

    Obviously, that's never going to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    HollyB wrote: »
    In an ideal world, the State would be able to trust that nobody would ever seek to abuse the asylum system and that every claimant was genuinely seeking refuge from persecution, with no attempts to make false or exaggerated claims, no asylum shopping, and no use of the asylum system as a back door for economic migration, which would mean that every claimant could be taken at his or her word and granted asylum on arrival.

    Obviously, that's never going to happen.

    I couldn't agree more, but human nature unfortunately has left us with a situation where some will lie, beg, borrow and steal in order to secure the best deal for themselves at the expense of those who are genuinely in need of assistance and protection and those who are best at becoming an icon and cause celebre have the ability to lead an ever-forgiving, clueless and generally baseless crowd of do-gooders who cling to the hope that this one case will be a success, leading to the eradication of the widespread practice of FGM.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 932 ✭✭✭PaulieD


    HollyB wrote: »
    In an ideal world, the State would be able to trust that nobody would ever seek to abuse the asylum system and that every claimant was genuinely seeking refuge from persecution, with no attempts to make false or exaggerated claims, no asylum shopping, and no use of the asylum system as a back door for economic migration, which would mean that every claimant could be taken at his or her word and granted asylum on arrival.

    Obviously, that's never going to happen.

    There is one group of nationals taking us for a ride. Refuse each and every one of them asylum in Ireland. 99.4% of them are bogus.

    Ireland received the second highest number of asylum applications in main industrialised countries from nationals of Nigeria in 2004. The recognition rate at first instance for 2004 is as follows:

    Ireland 0.6%; Netherlands 0.6%; Austria 0.3%; Spain 0.1%

    Less than 1%, therefore, of all Nigerian national asylum seekers succeed at first instance in the European Union member states that receive most Nigerian applications.

    http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    The Nigerian ambassador has effectively said this is all far fetched and she was causinf embarrassment for the country but yet shes still here, still wasting peoples time and still costing money :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=6577
    There appears to be some confusion over the reason for the protest yesterday at the refugee and asylum seeker accommodation centre in Sligo, Globe House. About 30 protesters from the 200 people based there closed the gates and demonstrated outside the Centre for several hours.

    Chanting about the lack of heating, hot water and poor catering the protesters refused to allow any deliveries onto the grounds including the An Post vehicle. The former convent has been used since July 2004 as a asylum seeker centre.

    The spokesperson for the protesters, Pamela Izevbekhai, a Nigerian currently fighting deportation in the Supreme Court (see related articles), told SLIGO TODAY in an EXCLUSIVE interview that the residents had been without hot water for four days, "We are being treated unfairly, we need somebody to come to our rescue, we have no heating for the last two months, in the family building we have no hot water for four days in a row. Sometimes there would be hot water for a few hours and then it's gone." She said.

    "They are cutting costs and using us as scapegoats. We have children, and new-born children in this place and they are cold. The temperature in the rooms is the same as it is out here. We have begged, tried to have meetings with them [management] and they keep giving us political promises that they will do these things. The boilers are not working for two months, I have been here for almost five years and this is an ongoing problem.

    "We have only one washing machine for two hundred people. This has been building up, we have been patient, we have had protests before and we went to the Health Service Executive (HSE), nobody gave us an audience."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭dodgyme


    994 wrote: »
    Surely filing a false claim for asylum, forging a death certificate and perjury are enough?
    I guess not
    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Civic Recpetions,Media appearances,Giant`s of the Literary World remonstrating with greater Ireland for it`s lack of similar appreciation
    Oh yes we are a country of fools for foolers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    Sizzler wrote: »

    Conclusion:
    Whilst declining to name any individual politicians, local or national, Ms Izevbekhai continued, "The politicians know what's going on, we have taken our problems to politicians here, they know what's going on in Globe House. I know personally that we have been telling politicians for four years and still no action, just promises." She concluded.

    SLIGO TODAY spoke to the private company, Bridgestock Limited, who has the contract to operate the Globe House facility. No statement was forthcoming from the Ballyhaunis, Co.Mayo based company and Managing Director Pat O'Connor was unavailable for comment.

    Having been referred by Bridgestock Ltd to the governing Reception and Integration Agency (RIA) who in turn advised that they also do not make statements, the Department of Justice issued a statement in which they outlined that, "Earlier this morning (10/11/09), there was no hot water at the centre for a short period of time. The problem with the water was fixed within an hour of the problem being advised to management and a new part was installed. Residents ceased their protest earlier this morning and the matter is now resolved."

    "Bridgestock Ltd holds the Q Mark for Globe House along with other accommodation centres it is responsible for and were also nominated for a national quality award. The 2009 Q Mark audits were recently completed and all of the centres run by Bridgestock Ltd passed with flying colours."

    There is a clear contradiction in what the protesters are claiming and the contents of the official statement issued. Another resident, Jude from the Congo, confirmed Ms Izevbekhai’s claims. Other residents from Iran, Pakistan and Iraq said that the food was terrible and that the only thing they liked were the chips.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Dan Akroyd


    With Perjury Pammy as spokesperson and the lefty loon brigade on her side, who knows they could all be eating foie gras and sirloin within the month.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 932 ✭✭✭PaulieD


    Dan Akroyd wrote: »
    With Perjury Pammy as spokesperson and the lefty loon brigade on her side, who knows they could all be eating foie gras and sirloin within the month.

    Sirloin? Pammy will be on the march again. Only fillet is good enough for our Pam.

    What a joke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    There is a clear contradiction in what the protesters are claiming and the contents of the official statement issued. Another resident, Jude from the Congo, confirmed Ms Izevbekhai’s claims. Other residents from Iran, Pakistan and Iraq said that the food was terrible and that the only thing they liked were the chips.

    That this woman is leading a protest for her civil entitlements, when she IGNORES the long considered and fair verdict for her own case really annoys me. Only willing to obey the law when it works in her favour.

    We need to boot out these chancers, we owe their countries nothing and we shouldnt have to put them up. Dont like the chips, eh? Well buy your fkn own food then spongers. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Surely someone fleeing a significant and substantial risk of persecution can survive without a bit of hot water for a few hours?? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    We need to boot out these chancers, we owe their countries nothing and we shouldnt have to put them up. Dont like the chips, eh? Well buy your fkn own food then spongers. :mad:

    Cueing demands for money for food and apartments with kitchen facilities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    HollyB wrote: »
    Cueing demands for money for food and apartments with kitchen facilities.

    If they can afford a High Court challenge sure Nama can supply them with a cut-price apartment of their own. It's a win-win!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    The spokesperson for the protesters, Pamela Izevbekhai, a Nigerian currently fighting deportation in the Supreme Court (see related articles), told SLIGO TODAY in an EXCLUSIVE interview that the residents had been without hot water for four days, "We are being treated unfairly, we need somebody to come to our rescue,


    Whoa...now hold on a cotton pickin minute here...:cool:

    Is this the same Pamela Izevbekhai who only last week was to be found taking on board her own Supreme Court action....?

    Are we now to accept that such a venture (A SC Submission) is so mundane that it allows time for the appellant to take on board the duties of a "Spokesperson" for a protest group ?

    Although inadvertently Ms Izevbekhai is also speaking for the Plain People of Ireland when she mentions "we" and "our" though,perhaps not as she intends it to be read... :)

    It seems as though Ms Izevbekhai and her backers are now embarking on a parallell track of high-profile media driven "Issues" all of which will point to her mercurial status as a defender of the faith and upholder of the rights of the downtrodden.

    Ms Izevbekhai has been well briefed and thats becoming ever more obvious with each of her " second-comings".

    Ah well back to the Supreme Court again soon......:o


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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