SGU 1x07 "Earth" **SPOILERS**

Overheal

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
a tale of a fateful trip...

Overheal

Wow that was one hell of a glitch...

edit: Episode was 5 for 5. One thing I have finally noticed though that is probably putting off lots of people, it the Music. There is almost None of the background theme music that was prevalent in SG-1 and Atlantis. It suddenly got me thinking this might be why the episodes seem a bit differently paced. Give that a thought.

Really confused by the ending there. Like, Really confused. Gonna have to rewatch. Because Rush "Faked" the dialing mishap? But he also says he PRevented a dialing mishap. So Im fairly fecking confused. I know he did Force Telford to show his true colors with the Cut and Run. I just am not all that clear why and what happened. Did Young just effectively give Homeworld Command the Finger?

And once again. Poor Eli. That would just have done my head right in.

And yes Im nice about my fecking spoilers I know some of you might like knowing wether I thought it was good or not without me shouting DUMBLEDORE IS GAY AND HE DIES AT THE END.

Tristram

Overheal wrote: »

And yes Im nice about my fecking spoilers I know some of you might like knowing wether I thought it was good or not without me shouting DUMBLEDORE IS GAY AND HE DIES AT THE END.

WTF DUDE?!?! OMFG?!? HAZORZ F00L?!

GSPfan

Oh my god. What a mind fuk of an episode. Thats about as complex an episode as I have ever seen. The whole Young/Telford/Mrs Young thing is freaking me out. I was in shock that I'm actually watching stargate! :eek:

also..... Who was the girl singing at the club, they gave her a bit too much screen time. She'll have a lot of sci-fi fans now.

Rush is great. I hope he is preventing them from getting home. That'd be deadly.

ei.sdraob

hehe the ending Telford is gonna screw the wife now without her knowing its not the right guy :eek: ouch

yes quite a memorable episode will have to rewatch as theres alot of detail yet again

and quite a few jokes, nice to know thats still present in stargate

those stones are an excellent plot device! oh and is it me or O'Neill has turned into a right ahole now that hes a General?

Mr E

That was really great stuff. Rush was taking a huge risk with the bluff.
Interesting implication at the end... that can only end badly!

GSPfan

Loved the Philip Fry name drop. Futurama is brilliant.

This episode was mental. My bets are on Mrs Young visiting Destiny and trying to find out about the relationship of Young and TJ. TJ is hot.

ei.sdraob

yes I sure hope they revisit these stones again they make for an interesting plot device

each week we learn a bit more about the characters and destiny

next week looks like its gonna be back to traveling thru the gate to another planet in "Time" and some time travel?

A team from Destiny arrives on a jungle planet, where they find a kino with footage of themselves they haven't shot yet.

damn this whole waiting a week to watch another episode i so got used to watching whole seasons back to back

sutty

Great ep. So we learned why TJ was leaving the base! Never thought of that one.

I think Telford's been having it off with Youngs wife all along. It seemed to easy for her to do it with Young in Telfords body.

Poor Eli, that lad seems to be getting the bum deal alright.

Rush staging the dialling was good, I liked that the others cut and run. Really shows Telford for what he is.

We also got to see Destiny fire her weapons, and damn has she a lot of em!

somuj

I thought it was the worst episode yet. It was so boring, I kept looking at the time hoping it was nearly over. It seemed to be crammed with so many unnecessary scenes

wahoo my 100 post in 7 years:D

Overheal

sutty wrote: »

Great ep. So we learned why TJ was leaving the base! Never thought of that one.

oh hey yeah. good spot.

herya

Such an enjoyable episode, I laughed out loud on Rush's intrigue! Tight trick!

And finally something interesting going on with Young's soppy marriage plot. Looks like it's actually leading up to something.

Good writing overall, and Camille Wray got a bit of time too. Chloe is still useless tho.

don ramo

although it was a very good episode the sooner that thing is destroyed the better, leave it to open for manipulation, i dont really like that earth has so much control over destiny, i know young pretty much told them that, but i dont think telford will care much,

poor eli even in a good looking body he still didnt score, he danced and then left what an idiot:D, and chloe should have punched her ex,

also i must ask does anyone know if destiny has energy weapons or projectile weapons, cause im sure they were projectile weapons being fired, you think they would conserve any amunition they have for the future,

i think im ready for some alien interacton now, in a big way, we need some actual interaction with humans or whatever is in that part of the universe,

ei.sdraob

don ramo wrote: »

although it was a very good episode the sooner that thing is destroyed the better, leave it to open for manipulation, i dont really like that earth has so much control over destiny, i know young pretty much told them that, but i dont think telford will care much,

poor eli even in a good looking body he still didnt score, he danced and then left what an idiot:D, and chloe should have punched her ex,

also i must ask does anyone know if destiny has energy weapons or projectile weapons, cause im sure they were projectile weapons being fired, you think they would conserve any amunition they have for the future,

i think im ready for some alien interacton now, in a big way, we need some actual interaction with humans or whatever is in that part of the universe,

they looked like bolts/balls of energy, might explain why it drained power so quick

at least we know it has big guns

Roomic Cube

did anyone try emailing the address the chick wrote on elis hand?

Overheal

missed that no

Gummy Panda

I hate Telford more and more.

I really like Rush's character. He seems a likeable bad guy.

Gareth-W-A

Enjoyed it overall.
Every episode appears to end with everyone on Destiny thinking about Rush's intentions. Leaves me...wondering about whether the writers even know what the duckling is going on. Seems like 'Lost' syndrome to me.
Interested to see why Telford went to Young's wifes house.
Either:
1. He's going to use her to manipulate Young.
2. He's going to tell her something about Young and TJ on Destiny.
3. He's going to tell her he's Young and he's boinking TJ
4. He's going to hit that!

There are so many more options...

Gareth-W-A

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I hate Telford more and more.

I really like Rush's character. He seems a likeable bad guy.

Ba'al!

Gareth-W-A

Overheal wrote: »

One thing I have finally noticed though that is probably putting off lots of people, it the Music. There is almost None of the background theme music that was prevalent in SG-1 and Atlantis. It suddenly got me thinking this might be why the episodes seem a bit differently paced. Give that a thought.

Just rewatched a couple of key scenes and you're absolutely right!
In some scenes it seems like it's less Stargate, and more of something like the office, with no backing music so it relies on the silence to actually feed the comedy.
This is the absolute opposite of what this series needs!
The music will intensify the drama, and can even make some acting seem better.

The only time i actually noticed some substantial music, is on Eli; i.e. when he stuck his arm into the event horizon in 'water', when he saw Scott and Chloe kissing, with his mother in this ep.
It's either lazy work by the producers, or, in my honest opinion, the wrong way to go about this.

Also would like to see some proper opening titles VERY SOON!
Am getting severely sick of the current lead-in to the show.
Even SGA had an overture in the first episode.

Overheal

Its a different way to go for sure. but it is meant to be completely different. I believe the promos SyFy has been running have paraphrased it as "reinventing the Wheel".

However you have to admit, the scenes where background music is added, are made all the more dramatic and intesnified. Such as the 9th Chevron sequence, and the Sun Recharge. In comparison one might argue that the bombardment of theme background music into stargate kinda cheapened it a bit. They had like 12 jingles, one for comedy, one for tension, one for Dun Dun Dunnn!!, etc.

don ramo

oh and the recharge in this ep seemed a little over the top, i mean it just burst out of FTL right in front of the sun,

not that im being picky:D

still a brilliant episode

Overheal

don ramo wrote: »

oh and the recharge in this ep seemed a little over the top, i mean it just burst out of FTL right in front of the sun,

not that im being picky:D

still a brilliant episode

I think what happened the first time was they overdrained the ship when Young tried to dial earth. Destiny didnt find the next suitable star in enough time. This time they did it slowly using the Weapons system and were better able to safely trigger Destiny's recharge routine.

Gummy Panda

Gareth-W-A wrote: »

Ba'al!

Nah, he seems like a baltar with a backbone.

Gareth-W-A

Overheal wrote: »

Its a different way to go for sure. but it is meant to be completely different. I believe the promos SyFy has been running have paraphrased it as "reinventing the Wheel".

However you have to admit, the scenes where background music is added, are made all the more dramatic and intesnified. Such as the 9th Chevron sequence, and the Sun Recharge. In comparison one might argue that the bombardment of theme background music into stargate kinda cheapened it a bit. They had like 12 jingles, one for comedy, one for tension, one for Dun Dun Dunnn!!, etc.

I agree, but it worked!
You only need one very simple idea or theme to form an entire soundtrack.
Then all you need to do is pull it around a bit so it might play along better with the action.
I don't think that the music being reused cheapened the show at all.
It keeps that same flavour that we loved in SG1.
The theme use in the O'Neill-awkward-silence-cos-he-hasn't-a-clue-what-carter-just-said theme is just classic!

don ramo

Gareth-W-A wrote: »

The theme use in the O'Neill-awkward-silence-cos-he-hasn't-a-clue-what-carter-just-said theme is just classic!

or when teal'c raises and eyebrow in an awkward situation:D

Gareth-W-A

don ramo wrote: »

or when teal'c raises and eyebrow in an awkward situation:D

I may be wrong here, but i remember most instances of that are accompanied by a comical pause.
The silence says more than any music could in my opinion:D

Sarn

sutty wrote: »

Great ep. So we learned why TJ was leaving the base! Never thought of that one.

Wasn't that implied in the first episode? Good to get confirmation though.

I can see why Greer decked Telford. He really showed his true colours when the gate sequence messed up. You'd never have seen Jack or Carter do that.

With all the tranfers of consciousnees you would imagine that they would send experts on ancient tech to help get the systems up and running and switch out those who are really useless. I'm sure there'd be plenty dieing to go.

Gareth-W-A

Sarn wrote: »

With all the tranfers of consciousnees you would imagine that they would send experts on ancient tech to help get the systems up and running and switch out those who are really useless. I'm sure there'd be plenty dieing to go.

You KNOW Carter and Daniel would be dying to have a looksie.
In a real world, O'Neill wouldve gone for a visit already!

ixoy

Thought they really used the stones to good effect here - they actually had people swap in to try and help Destiny. They should be doing it all the time (e.g. swap in a doctor when somebody is sick) but at least it was explored here.
I liked how they also touched on the fact people are in different bodies a lot more - Eli getting almost to score (and becoming more likeable) but unable to tell his mum for example.

Telford was shown to be a bit of a dick here (well even more so). The fact that Rush had manipulated events was smart although a risky ploy (to a degree since he claimed he set the limits just right for effect but no danger). Rush is probably still the most interesting character and I can't see him as a bad guy - he's just a tad manipulative and not a people person (the greater good and all).

The ending was interesting - will Telford play himself off as Young then? That's some nasty stuff right there. I'm guessing we'll see some sort of body swap story line in the future where somebody on 'Destiny' has been swapped out but nobody else knows.

I have to say the lack of music doesn't bother me as too many shows overdo it and it irritates me no end. I'm not even a fan of the montage music most programmes seem to wrap up with. It helps distinguish the show a bit more by a quieter score, more music by artists, etc. Using it for key scenes only and not every minute (like "Desperate Housewives" or something) makes it more memorable as Overheal touched upon.

Richard Dower

Those body swap scenes were ace!....can you imagine swapping bodies in the middle of sex!
Wow!...i guess he liked it and went back for more with wifey, thing is....the wife must like the body of the guy being inhabited by Young. Weird scerario that has loads of scope to explore. Eli is a loser....can't even get laid with another guys body!

Excellent ep. all round.

don ramo

Gareth-W-A wrote: »

You KNOW Carter and Daniel would be dying to have a looksie.
In a real world, O'Neill wouldve gone for a visit already!

McKay is the foremost expert in ancient tech, followed by zelenka, at least one of these should be around for advice,

also nice to see the IOA arent getting things there own way, what difference does it make if wray is there now or if someone esle is placed there later, nice to see wray stand up for herself in the end, i hope she comes into it more as she seems more of a backround caracter so far, and there must be some good manipulative stories for her to take part in,

Overheal

It would be cheap to bring them in. I wouldnt expect to see them this season anyway. It would make the show seem weak. Atlantis did plenty fine without any help from its parent, and SGU gets enough face time with Homeworld Command as it is.

Overheal

somuj wrote: »

I thought it was the worst episode yet. It was so boring, I kept looking at the time hoping it was nearly over. It seemed to be crammed with so many unnecessary scenes

wahoo my 100 post in 7 years:D

Good lord you must have really hated it then o_0 The keyboard wont bite!

BaconZombie

I think it's pretty clear now that Telford and Youngs wife were fooling around long before this but was it before or after Young was with TJ?

ei.sdraob wrote: »

hehe the ending Telford is gonna screw the wife now without her knowing its not the right guy :eek: ouch

sutty wrote: »

Great ep. So we learned why TJ was leaving the base! Never thought of that one.

I think Telford's been having it off with Youngs wife all along. It seemed to easy for her to do it with Young in Telfords body.

The stones were used well in this episode, but I'm still hoping they fail or get damaged since they can{/have} left way to may {possible} plotholes.

Did anybody else notice the gate sequence was a bit weird? Will have to re-watch the other episodes to make sure I'm not just sleep deprived.

Nukem

don ramo wrote: »

McKay is the foremost expert in ancient tech, followed by zelenka, at least one of these should be around for advice,

Ya wanted to point that out as well - few plot holes developing. Wht now get McKay, zelenka and carter out there and try sort the ship out?

Also the ship is much older than Atlantis, hasnt someone tried checking the ancient database and figured out how the whole thing works, get the password and send it to Rush?

Think they need to tidy this up ......."all files hidden in database, lost to the replicators, wraith destroyed the only manual.........etc.........."

BaconZombie

Damn you Roomic_Cube,

I see this as a challange now!!!!

I can make out the "Mindy1905" bit but the rest is a blur, plus what the hell is the thing before the ".com" ?

Roomic Cube wrote: »

did anyone try emailing the address the chick wrote on elis hand?

somuj

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Damn you Roomic_Cube,

I see this as a challange now!!!!

I can make out the "Mindy1905" bit but the rest is a blur, plus what the hell is the thing before the ".com" ?

mindy1905@hotmail.com

wishful thinking I might add

BaconZombie

I found a "tweet" about it and that person said it is not real, so I went to register it and it's already taken :pac:

somuj wrote: »

mindy1905@hotmail.com

wishful thinking I might add

Edit:

Is there anybody on this forum that as CSI like skills with PhotoShop?
....Zoom....Zoom....Rotate 12 degrees... Enhance....

PirateShampoo

This episode didnt blow me away, i thought the whole night club seen wasnt needed and the whole focusing on the singer just anoyed me. Personnaly i dont need the long sex scences and prefer action.

I did like finding out the exact position of the Stargate on Destiny. I thought it was in the Piramid section but it turns out its in the long shaft leading from it.





It also turns out Destiny is a bit of a beast when it comes to fire power, it has a bigger arsenal than i thought.




In theory Energy wepons should be usless against Destiny if it can withstand flying into a Sun.

don ramo

but it can only survive flying into the sun cause the sun gives it so much power, that the sheilds can be at full power as long as its in the sun, which is why they tried to dial the gate in the sun,

it would be hard to get through destinys shields, but if the ship doesnt recharge they will eventually fail,

GSPfan

I'm intrigued by the "80% of the ship is inaccessible" comment.

Bit of the Atlantis type scenario goin on where they can discover something cool right under their noses if they want.

Is it just me or is it hard to think of SGU as Stargate. I just can't imagine Rodney McKay on Destiny. It just wouldn't work for me.

Venom

Best episode to date by far but at this point in the show I feel we should of just finished watching the pilot rather than be 6 hours into the series.

The whole lack of air and water crap along with all the love angle drama should of been place further into the season imho.

don ramo

GSPfan wrote: »

I'm intrigued by the "80% of the ship is inaccessible" comment.

Bit of the Atlantis type scenario goin on where they can discover something cool right under their noses if they want.

Is it just me or is it hard to think of SGU as Stargate. I just can't imagine Rodney McKay on Destiny. It just wouldn't work for me.

but in atlantis case it wasnt that it was inaccessable, it was more the size of the place, parts were flooded but they were still accessable if they wanted to go there, and now that atlantis is on earth im sure enourmus teams of scientists are going through the city,

im gonna say that they will deffinately find some info on atlantis that will help the destiny crew gain full control of the ship,

when is the question, probably before seasons end,

BaconZombie

FYP

don ramo wrote: »

but in atlantis case it wasnt that it was inaccessable, it was more the size of the place, parts were flooded but they were still accessable if they wanted to go there, and now that atlantis is on earth im sure enourmus teams of scientists are going through the city,

im gonna say that they will deffinately find some info on atlantis that will help the destiny crew gain full control of the ship,

when is the question, probably just as the stones stop working and before seasons end,

alastair_doom

Another solid episode. Nothing spectacular, but now that I know what to expect from the show I'm starting to really like it again. (I.e. not disappointed by lack of action)

GSPfan wrote: »

Is it just me or is it hard to think of SGU as Stargate. I just can't imagine Rodney McKay on Destiny. It just wouldn't work for me.

As said above, they seem to have turned O'Neill into an a-hole (or 'the man' as O'Neil would refer to his type) to make him fit into the style of the show, so I'd imagine if McKay turns up he'll be a slightly different character, being more dramatic and have a more realistic skill set.

Stabshauptmann

There has been 7 episodes right. How much time has passed in the series since the crew arrived on Destiny?

Air 1,2,3 Id say is less than 24hrs. Remember dialling the gate was 12hours of that.

Darkness, we know rush passes out for 10hours - and that this is the first hes slept since Air, so I dont think theres been much if any time between Air and Darkness.

Light, "in just over a day this ship with fly into a star"

Water, another 12 hour gate session, and if the rate of water consumption by the aliens is constant, it supports the idea that only a few days have passed since Air.

Also at the end of Water one of the crew is complaining that he was scheduled to use the communication stones.

What Im deducing from all of the above ie
A)Very little time has actually passed, prob between 3 and 5 days.
B)During most of that time there were urgent issues to be resolved, and it looked like the ship might not survive

Thats why teams of experts havent been sent in.
And Im sure they've been busy working the problem on Earth, which isnt how to work the ships systems, its to get ppl home.

minidazzler

GSPfan wrote: »

I'm intrigued by the "80% of the ship is inaccessible" comment.

Bit of the Atlantis type scenario goin on where they can discover something cool right under their noses if they want.

Is it just me or is it hard to think of SGU as Stargate. I just can't imagine Rodney McKay on Destiny. It just wouldn't work for me.

That's how it is supposed to be.

The Atlantis crew were all headhunted to go.

The Destiny Crew are simply those for whom it was go or die.

They don't have the full skillset required but they have enough.

PirateShampoo

I couldnt imagin any of the SGA characters on SGU, they would appear to cartoon like next to them.

Overheal

In a future episode

according to an interview with Shanks he will appear as part of a series of Rush's flashbacks etc. so it wont quite be as lame or predictable as sending Danny up there to do stuff as it would be fleshing out how Rush is likely every bit as intelligent and trained up when it comes to ancient tech. Pretty much eliminating the need for any of that bull****.

Sherifu

Another really good episode from the guys and gals at SGC.

I hope Miles O'Brien is a permanent addition to the cast.

Good to see Rick being used a fair bit too.

The ending was excellent.

5/5