Hot hatch for the non scanger

RobAMerc

Hey all,

Just thinking - when I was a young chap lads could choose from a wealth of hot hatches that had no conortations of chavism. R5GT turbo - 205 GTI - Golf GTI and even the XR3i ( although we're getting into chav territory there ).

So what can young lads drive now thats fast fun and not driven by ever scanger in the country?

Integra - no
Celica - no

Clio 172/182 maybe, Golf GTI is that it ?

stealthyspeeder

Mazda 3 MPS (mark 1 version, the mark 2 is a bit chavtastic with its imprezza bonnet scoop and duel exhausts!)

EPM

Contemplating going looking at it today...even putting my hatred of the boggo version aside. Like a Mazda 3 MPS but no one will have a clue what it is...




http://www.carzone.ie/search/Renault/Megane/Hatch-22/200936195078306/advert?channel=CARS

SV

RobAMerc wrote: »

Hey all,

Just thinking - when I was a young chap lads could choose from a wealth of hot hatches that had no conortations of chavism. R5GT turbo - 205 GTI - Golf GTI and even the XR3i ( although we're getting into chav territory there ).

So what can young lads drive now thats fast fun and not driven by ever scanger in the country?

Integra - no
Celica - no

Clio 172/182 maybe, Golf GTI is that it ?

That's about it and the only reason for it is because of their difficulty to insure!

bazz26

Focus ST though the extra styling is a bit on the loud side.

Others would be the Octavia vRS, S3 or Leon Cupra R.

kdevitt

RobAMerc wrote: »

So what can young lads drive now thats fast fun and not driven by ever scanger in the country?

Integra - no
Celica - no

Funnilly enough - while I think a jap import Integra is the epitomy of a scangers car, a UKDM / Irish model isn't imo!

Think a Scirocco or Clio V6 would be on my list as well if I was in the market for a hot hatch though, or maybe just a mint old 205 GTi!

EPM

betafrog wrote: »

FIAT 500 Abarth?

Yes please:D

SEPT 23 1989

Skangers didnt buy those cars 205 golf gti etc when new because over here they cost the same as starter home to buy

robtri

nice hot hatch... astra opc....... subtle and a hoot to drive..

.Longshanks.

Take your pick!

EPM

Longshanks100 wrote: »

Take your pick!

Didn't know the new Ka was available in that colour:p

.Longshanks.

EPM wrote: »

Didn't know the new Ka was available in that colour:p

Its a €2k extra

SV

Longshanks100 wrote: »

Take your pick!

I'd have a very hard time picking one!

Drummerboy08

Not really that subtle, but I'd be its an animal to drive -

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200943195597906



Mini JCW anyone?

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200925194362967



Going down the years a bit, but you'd pick one up fairly cheap i'd say. I'd also being going down the UK route to find a clean one. Audi S3 -

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200937195169838



I dont think these are too loud, looks wise, and this is a cheap car! Ford Focus ST -

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200925194254661



Not a bad looking machine, probably not as nice to drive as the others, Honda Civic Type R -

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200940195388031




After experiencing Stealthyspeeder's car, I want one! Mazda 3 MPS -

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200919192736559




Little bit loud in Blue, not so much in black - Opel Astra OPC

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200917192568459



Or its smaller sister, the Corsa OPC -

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200937195178083



Anyone? Seat Leon FR DSG

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200925194375673



If you looking for economy as well as speed, Skoda Octy 2.0TDi VRS

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200941195458713




If you dont like any of the above, erm, buy an Avensis.

.Longshanks.

I bloody love these two

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1311387.htm



http://www.carzone.ie/search/Renault/Clio/Cup-R27-/200944195699761/advert?channel=CARS

colm_mcm

so lads, ye're basically saying any car once it's new.

.Longshanks.

I've only linked to cars that are at approx 2 years or more old. Im simply not up on anything that goes back more than 5 or 6 years (too young!)

Graham_B18C

SV wrote: »

That's about it and the only reason for it is because of their difficulty to insure!

I cant imagine the 172 being harder to insure than any other performance car is it? I would of thought it'd be handier to insure than my car, dunno why I think that but i've always assumed it!

O/T, next meet, I wanna spin in yours! Forgot to ask ya last time

colm_mcm wrote: »

so lads, ye're basically saying any car once it's new.

Thats the way it seems.

I always assumed the people that drive fast/performance cars were "car people" and would appreciate a car for its merits and not the steriotype it has

r3nu4l

Going back to the original question I would say that most hot hatches aren't that chavvy to begin with.

The problem arises when the chav gets his/her filthy little paws on what was a lovely car and then adds burberry/playboy seat covers, tinted windows, new exhaust and stereo system and then drives up and down the main street of his local town like a princess/peacock on parade with his/her exhaust competing with the stereo system to see which can make the most noise :rolleyes:

That's when the hot hatch becomes a chavtastic-'Hey look at me, I'm an attention-whore'-mobile.

meesa

http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/14914/honda_civic_type-r-1-L.jpg

craichoe

Fabia VRS ?

Atomic Pineapple

Discounting a car because the general public attach a stereotypical image to it is stupid. Just buy what you want and who cares what people think, The general public are in essence stupid, they'll see one scummer(or a few) in a car causing them annoyance and they'll associate all owners of that car with the same image.

I drive an Integra Type R and in no way fit the stereotypical image that many on here would associate with that car.

I would buy any car I like on its merits and whether I enjoy driving it and I would not let something as fickle as a stereotype put me off it whether it be a chavy car, a hairdressers car, a granny car, a boring car or a mid life crisis car.

This thread so far itself proves my point, most of the cars suggested are new and out of the price range of scummers so haven't fallen into there hands yet but in 10 to 15 years time I guarantee some of them will be on the chavy car list just like some great cars like the Integra & Celica have become victim of the low prices now however 10 to 15 years ago they never would have been in the scummers price range and would have been suggested in this exact thread if it was 10 years ago.

Twin-go

One older hot hatch I have yet to see "chaved up" is the e46 BMW Compact M sport: 2.5l straight 6 anyone?

Drummerboy08

Twin-go wrote: »

One older hot hatch I have yet to see "chaved up" is the e46 BMW Compact M sport: 2.5l straight 6 anyone?

Its one of the ugliest BMW's ever produced, and its a female hairdresser's car.

SV

Grahamo999 wrote: »

I cant imagine the 172 being harder to insure than any other performance car is it? I would of thought it'd be handier to insure than my car, dunno why I think that but i've always assumed it!

O/T, next meet, I wanna spin in yours! Forgot to ask ya last time

They're blacklisted by Quinn anyway!
and most insurance companies(minus 123!)

Considered to be in the same risk category as the teg I'd say!


ah yeah definitely, She'll probably be over the 200brake with a LW flyhweel by then so you'll have fun

Twin-go

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Its one of the ugliest BMW's ever produced, and its a female hairdresser's car.

Why do some people have such stupid sterotypes of who should drive what cars in this country? People should be free to drive what ever car they wish with out been subjected to these sterotypes.

BTW Have you ever driven one? Its a better drive than the majority of front wheel drive cars mentioned already on this thread. It very well balanced and with the wheels in the corners it corners like its on rails.

Danuogma

My top three

lancia delta integrale..


205 Gti.


Focus RS

RobAMerc

Lads - the BMW and Intrgrale are not hot hatches - granted they are hatches and are quick but hot hatch is a small pocket rocket type thing - the Integrale is a supercar in sheeps clothing !

I'm talking about the modern 205 gti - small, light, fast - more handling than power sort of yoke.

I notice all the cars being coughed up are fairly new - although you could probably pick up a Cooper S fairly right these days - and that should fit the bill ok.

Is the new Corsa any good - not at all an Opel fan in general but am interested in hearing some views.

2 Espressi

A few off the top of my head.

Suzuki Swift/Ignis Sport. A hoot to drive, and off the radar too!
Lupo GTi.
Fiesta ST. Not as lairy looking as the Focus, very tunable, good handling chassis.
Citroen Xsara VTR/VTS (whichever is the hot one)
Fabia VRs
Renaultsport Clio (172- 197) The 172 is an amazing car, and very subtle in standard form.

.Longshanks.

RobAMerc wrote: »

Lads - the BMW and Intrgrale are not hot hatches - granted they are hatches and are quick but hot hatch is a small pocket rocket type thing - the Integrale is a supercar in sheeps clothing !

I'm talking about the modern 205 gti - small, light, fast - more handling than power sort of yoke.

I notice all the cars being coughed up are fairly new - although you could probably pick up a Cooper S fairly right these days - and that should fit the bill ok.

Is the new Corsa any good - not at all an Opel fan in general but am interested in hearing some views.

What do you want to know? I love mine, its definitely unique on the road and i still get people asking me what it is!
However i've never kept a car for more than 2 years and i've always had a soft spot for a slightly older supercharged Cooper S JCW with all the toys and about a month ago i came to the realisation that if i dont get one soon i might never (wedding etc on the way )
So fire away with any questions and i'll do my best to answer them. PM me if you prefer

RobAMerc

Longshanks100 wrote: »

So fire away with any questions and i'll do my best to answer them. PM me if you prefer

I've no specific questions - just wondering if they are any good ?
Whats the handling like ? Whats the engine like ? Does it have any weaker points ?

I know you say you love yours but what else have you owned to compare it to? etc

General chit chat about cars really

Drummerboy08

Twin-go wrote: »

Why do some people have such stupid sterotypes of who should drive what cars in this country? People should be free to drive what ever car they wish with out been subjected to these sterotypes.

BTW Have you ever driven one? Its a better drive than the majority of front wheel drive cars mentioned already on this thread. It very well balanced and with the wheels in the corners it corners like its on rails.

Why? Because the massive majority of people who drive this particular car are either female, or hairdressers, or both. Would you like to be lumped right into that catagory?

I have driven one yeah, and it wasnt hugely impressive. It's nowhere near a Focus ST, or any of the other cars that have been mentioned here tbh.

Dartz

The newest RenaultSport Megane....

Turbocharged 250bhp.... beautiful looking thing...
But still doesn't look much different from the standard model.
And like All French cars, it's not the power, but the ride of the thing.

2 Espressi

Twin-go wrote: »

One older hot hatch I have yet to see "chaved up" is the e46 BMW Compact M sport: 2.5l straight 6 anyone?

Was the 325Ti ever sold here, any time I see a compact BMW they're 316s.

.Longshanks.

RobAMerc wrote: »

I've no specific questions - just wondering if they are any good ?
Whats the handling like ? Whats the engine like ? Does it have any weaker points ?

I know you say you love yours but what else have you owned to compare it to? etc

General chit chat about cars really

I’ve never owned a ‘hot hatch’ before this one, but have been out in a good few golf GTi’s civic type R, and Cooper S. The golf feels ‘softer’ (for want of a better word – lazier I suppose), the Honda felt more manic but as same time dead under normal driving - no turbo and the Cooper S was too expensive!

The handling is great, it’s on 225 18” wheels so there is plenty of grip. There is virtually no torque steer either (and if there is than I never even notice it now at this stage). It’s a very nippy car and will give a lot of bigger and more expensive cars a real run for their money. Its 6.8s to 60mph according to parkers.co.uk and feels it, but there isn’t much punch above 100mph (around a private track). The standard half leather recaro seats are really really excellent. Probably my favourite part – a 4 hour drive to Donegal is effortless. Its given me a lifetime average of ~32.5mpg from new so far (8.8 L / 100Km according to trip computer).

Engine noise gives a lovely burble on lift off under high revs but is otherwise as quiet as any other car. Revs to 6000rpm no problem before its time to switch up.

Issues….I’m also a member of on vxronline.co.uk in the UK and there has been one or two edjits that have raged their remapped cars from cold and they are now have problems with Vauxhall refusing warranty jobs (after ECU reset to the standard map that they can’t trace, but it does still log the high revs when cold)…….but only a fool would do that. There are loads of people (50-70 members) that have remapped their cars from the standard 190bhp to 210bhp with no problems, buts not for me. One member has a regal development car that’s putting out 330 or so bhp!

One of the weaker points is that the car doesn’t have a temperature gauge, but thankfully there is a secret menu to display a digital temperature in the dash. Its second nature to me now…jump in, seatbelt on, enable menu and drive off!

Volvoboy

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slickmcvic

Longshanks100 wrote: »

What do you want to know? I love mine, its definitely unique on the road and i still get people asking me what it is!
However i've never kept a car for more than 2 years and i've always had a soft spot for a slightly older supercharged Cooper S JCW with all the toys and about a month ago i came to the realisation that if i dont get one soon i might never (wedding etc on the way )
So fire away with any questions and i'll do my best to answer them. PM me if you prefer

thats a super engine in the opc corsa...its available in the astra sri as well but the styling is a bit more subtle...test drove a turbo'd sri a few months back but ended up with a 1.8 sri in silver with an opc interior...its 40 bhp less but still nippy enough..

JHMEG

colm_mcm wrote: »

so lads, ye're basically saying any car once it's new.

Not just new, but also unpopular.

Midnight_EG

Aygo Crazy?

Saab Ed

New....


Volvo C30 T5

Nearly new...


Renault Clio 200

Back a bit....


Peugeot 306 GTi 6

Old Skool...


Renault 19 16valve

The Daddy....


VW Golf GTi MK I

The Forgotten....


Alfa Romeo Alfasud ti

.Longshanks.

slickmcvic wrote: »

thats a super engine in the opc corsa...its available in the astra sri as well but the styling is a bit more subtle...test drove a turbo'd sri a few months back but ended up with a 1.8 sri in silver with an opc interior...its 40 bhp less but still nippy enough..

http://file047a.bebo.com/10/original/2009/05/10/12/290027849a10790756983o.jpg

http://file047a.bebo.com/10/original/2009/05/10/12/290027849a10790757140o.jpg

Think the 1.6 turbo in both the insignia and astra is 180bhp instead of 190bhp.

RobAMerc

RobAMerc wrote: »

So what can young lads drive now thats fast fun and not driven by ever scanger in the country?

Integra - no
Celica - no

Two of my previous cars, am I a skanger ? (I know the red one is not a teg )





Sold the Celica 2 years ago, had her for 9 months, great car.




I sold the Prelude during the summer to a college lecturer in his 40s who was a Prelude nut (he defo wasn't a skanger, whatever chance there is about me being one).

BArra

a standalone remap ups the torque to 340, and horseys to 270bhp :pac:

Graham_B18C

OP, do you have a price limit?

johndaman66

Not a hothatch but to me the attached horrid yoke epitomises your modern day scanger mobile.

ninty9er

Skangers tend to drive the 1l with lots of ****e attached.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Toyota/Yaris/T-Sport-/200843190613822/advert?channel=CARS

Dante

Volkswagon Scirocco....pure sex.

Mr.Boots

RoverJames wrote: »

Two of my previous cars, am I a skanger ? (I know the red one is not a teg )

Yes..........the Nike Airs are a give away.

JHMEG

Creamy Goodness

Mr.Boots wrote: »

Yes..........the Nike Airs are a give away.

damn you got there before me :pac:

allybhoy

Think this thread needs a bit of focus. OP Whats ur price range? Its crazy lads putting up pics of preludes and celica's when he is clearly looking for a hot hatch not a coupe.

When I hear hot hatch I think of something cheapish around the 3-5k thats a few years old. Maybe not a starter car but something with a bit of power thats also cheap to buy,run and insure, so obviously under 1.8L. IE:- Glanza, civic's 106's etc. Not Sciroco's or X6's.

The OP doesnt want something scangery, so I presume all the above are out, how about something like these..... slighly more understated than the likes of a Civic or GT turbo.

MIVEC Colt 1.6. Quick car, especially the Cyborgs.



or even....

Nissan Pulsar VZR. Drove one once, and it was a demon to go, think they might be heavy on the juice though.