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Most annoying theist lines of argument?
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One I kind of feel bad about pointing out the flaws in is the whole argument from personal experience thing. We all know that people from all religions and none see mad stuff all the time and none of it is sent by god but you'd almost feel guilty pointing that out to someone whose entire faith seems to be built on the time when Jesus appeared as a glowing orb or whatever. Almost
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Flamed Diving wrote: »That statement makes me angry on so many levels.6) You'll turn to God on your deathbed just you wait!0
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The problem with that one is that you can't prove it wrong - at least, if you do, you're dead so you'll get no satisfaction from it.
While I know that when you die your consciousness just ceases to exist because it's entirely contained in your brain which will soon decompose, sometimes I wish you could be aware just for a few seconds after death, just long enough for you to realise that's what about to happen so the believers can say to themselves....."aw crap" 0 -
While I know that when you die your consciousness just ceases to exist because it's entirely contained in your brain which will soon decompose, sometimes I wish you could be aware just for a few seconds after death, just long enough for you to realise that's what about to happen so the believers can say to themselves....."aw crap"
Instead, as the brain shut downs the consciousness hallucinates more and more..
They think they are right until their very last neuron flows and then nothing...so they know no better.
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If I went into the Christianity forum, and started a thread saying 'the most annoying arguements from atheists'. Then I proceeded to state rare arguements or misrepresented arguements etc that most atheists around here would not use, I'm pretty sure some of the atheist folk would give me more than a telling off. IMO, what you are embarking on here, is a juvenile back slapping exercise that roughly translates into 'Feckin theists'. Obviously, its your house, so you are more than entitled to, I just don't see anything positive in it.
There are some that take any opportunity to take pot shots at the enemy, and thats fine. I think some of you have more to offer than that though.
You're more than welcome to start such a thread and we will be delighted to correct you if we feel you've misrepresented us
Where do you think we've misrepresented theists? We've already dealt with the relative rarity of the ontological argument. Anything else?0 -
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You're more than welcome to start such a thread and we will be delighted to correct you if we feel you've misrepresented us
The very nature of the thread means that one can say that nothing has been misrepresented. You simply say, 'well I've heard that said before by a theist'.
Its this general 'Theists' that I take issue with and the context of its usage. It pidgeon holes and has a distinct flavour of guilty by association. Bigging up ones own worldview, and ones own intellect by slagging off someone elses. I don't buy the whole, 'well not every theist'. As I said, If i started an anecdotal thread on the arguements Atheists have used which revealed stupidity or lack of depth, I could use the same defence, 'Well I didn't say all atheists, but some have used these arguments'. All in all, its disingenuous IMO. Again though, I've derailed this enough.0 -
The very nature of the thread means that one can say that nothing has been misrepresented. You simply say, 'well I've heard that said before by a theist'.
Its this general 'Theists' that I take issue with and the context of its usage. It pidgeon holes and has a distinct flavour of guilty by association. Bigging up ones own worldview, and ones own intellect by slagging off someone elses. I don't buy the whole, 'well not every theist'. As I said, If i started an anecdotal thread on the arguements Atheists have used which revealed stupidity or lack of depth, I could use the same defence, 'Well I didn't say all atheists, but some have used these arguments'. All in all, its disingenuous IMO. Again though, I've derailed this enough.
My response in your hypothetical thread would be to say that the theist misrepresenting the position most likely misunderstood the argument being put forward. I would acknowledge the possibility that they might have been talking to a very stupid atheist who gave a very stupid argument but regardless, one of the two of them had the wrong understanding of the argument so I would then go on to give the correct interpretation so that the theist would no longer think it was stupid and would be left thinking either he or the person he was talking to were stupid
But of course I could only do that if the argument was actually a logical argument being misrepresented and not just a bad argument 0 -
My response in your hypothetical thread would be to say that the theist misrepresenting the position most likely misunderstood the argument being put forward. I would acknowledge the possibility that they might have been talking to a very stupid atheist who gave a very stupid argument but regardless, one of the two of them had the wrong understanding of the argument so I would then go on to give the correct interpretation so that the theist would no longer think it was stupid and would be left thinking either he or the person he was talking to were stupid
But of course I could only do that if the argument was actually a logical argument being misrepresented and not just a bad argument
'OR' I could realise how useless such a backslapper of a thread would be, and not start it in the first place. Just a thought.;) I'm more into the constructive educational element. If I was to start such a thread, it would more likely be, 'Arguments that had had me stumped, or Arguments that were good, what would be your retort'.
If Theists make no arguments that provoke such a reaction, then you can be safe in the knowledge that they've got nothing. No point in asking your friends over for a boasting party.0 -
"Atheism is a religion/faith too, who's to say which one of our 'faiths' is right"
Oh boy does that one p*ss me off!Then I proceeded to state rare arguements or misrepresented arguements etc that most atheists around here would not use, I'm pretty sure some of the atheist folk would give me more than a telling off.
Not as rare as you may think
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Atheism would need to be included in this for any honest assesment to take place, as atheism is of itself a doctrine.0 -
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'OR' I could realise how useless such a backslapper of a thread would be, and not start it in the first place. Just a thought.;) I'm more into the constructive educational element. If I was to start such a thread, it would more likely be, 'Arguments that had had me stumped, or Arguments that were good, what would be your retort'.
If Theists make no arguments that provoke such a reaction, then you can be safe in the knowledge that they've got nothing. No point in asking your friends over for a boasting party.
JimiTime, it's a bit of craic taking the piss out of the "other side". You shouldn't take yourself so seriously. I'm sure you've seen some awful arguments yourself that you can contribute, not every reason given to be a theist is a good one.
Something I often say, not just about religious people, is that those who are capable of rebutting an argument do so and those who aren't get offended and defensive. If, when someone makes fun of something you've said, instead of explaining exactly why they're wrong you get angry and lash out at them, maybe you should ask yourself if your position is valid 0 -
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