V - ***TV3 Speed*** Discussion

anotherlostie

Given that there's only a two day gap between the US and Irish airings, I'm going to wait to watch this terrestrially so this thread is for anyone like minded to discuss the show without being spoiled by those that already watched it.

Here is the link to TV3's page for the show:
http://tv3.ie/shows.php?request=v

Biggins

Well having seen the first episode, I look forwards to the second.
It was clear and concise in its explanations given its 46 minute time slot for a first episode.
..and darn how can something looking so good on the outside, be so bad on the inside! LOL

(I can see this thread getting pretty busy soon)

humanji

Still watching it at the moment, but I just wanted to say I'm in love with Lisa and would happily let her lay her eggs in my brain, or however these guys do it!

Utopia Parkway

Bugger forgot about this. Ah well I'll watch the last 20 minutes.

MargeS

Biggins wrote: »

It was clear and concise in its explanations given its 46 minute time slot for a first episode.

I agree, the story moved at a good pace for episode 1. I don't remember the idea that they were already on earth before revealing themselves in v1.0.
But it's caught my interest, i'll be back for ep2.

Utopia Parkway

Now I only saw the last 20 minutes but does anyone not think it's moving a tad too fast? First episode gone and already the aliens have arrived, some people have discovered that they are lizards and the resistance is already up and running. All this in one episode.

Elmo

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Now I only saw the last 20 minutes but does anyone not think it's moving a tad too fast? First episode gone and already the aliens have arrived, some people have discovered that they are lizards and the resistance is already up and running. All this in one episode.

The first 20 mins were very slow. The writing was a bit too talky (seems to be happening with alot of US programming, I blame the ads). There was allot of draw out scene were people sat around saying how the felt. Overall I felt it came across as a bad made-for-TV disaster movie that you see on Sci-Fi. In comparison to other Sci-Fi dramas on the TV at the moment this does come close.

However this is just the first episode so I will continue taking a look at the next few episodes. I don't think it will last beyond 4 at the moment.

Utopia Parkway

Elmo wrote: »

The first 20 mins were very slow. The writing was a bit too talky (seems to be happening with alot of US programming, I blame the ads). There was allot of draw out scene were people sat around saying how the felt. Overall I felt it came across as a bad made-for-TV disaster movie that you see on Sci-Fi. In comparison to other Sci-Fi dramas on the TV at the moment this does come close.

However this is just the first episode so I will continue taking a look at the next few episodes. I don't think it will last beyond 4 at the moment.

Yeah I just thought it would take them a couple episodes at least to discover the visitors dasterdly plan. Build up a bit of tension and all that but they seem to have done it all in the first episode.

MagicMarker

I'll just quote what I put in the main thread...

MagicMarker wrote: »

Just watched it there, Inara from Firefly!! YES!! Hot chick from Lost!! YES!!

Sorry, I purposely ignored everything about the show until tonight so I didn't know they were in it. But bloody hell, how hot is Inara!?

Anyway, yeah, I enjoyed the pilot, I agreed it was cheesy as hell but it's V for feck sake!

Dudess

I liked it - supremely different to my (admittedly limited) memories of the first one, which seemed to be more gorey.

Gore was more of a 70s/80s thing though wasn't it?

Elmo

Dudess wrote: »

Gore was more of a 70s/80s thing though wasn't it?

No he was Vice President in the 1990s :rolleyes: :eek: (<<<<< Worst joke on boards ever).

Elmo

Also I found the excitement of going on the spaceship really embarrassing for the actors, really bad scenes of utter clichéd amazement.

Scruff

I liked the reference to Independence Day. My fav sci-fi B-movie!

The Black Oil

The kid would have to be called Tyler, wouldn't he?

Hmm, it was OK. The first half was certainly fairly dire, I think, but it picked up in the second. I just couldn't buy Anna's feigned sincerity and it felt a bit rushed. A ninja priest?

I know it's early days, but I think I have more faith in Fringe.

Dudess

Elmo wrote: »

No he was Vice President in the 1990s :rolleyes: :eek: (<<<<< Worst joke on boards ever).

Ah, I smiled...

I agree the first episode seemed pretty rushed all right - thought it would take a couple of them before the earthlings realised what was going on...

iguana

Elmo wrote: »

Also I found the excitement of going on the spaceship really embarrassing for the actors, really bad scenes of utter clichéd amazement.

All I could think watching that is that emo kid's fat friend was a really good friend. I mean he's 17, he's not the most conventionally attractive of guys, he's a bit awkward. Most likely a virgin. However he managed to get tickets to go on a spaceship, a fuçking alien spaceship.

Those could have gotten him so laid!

lynchie

And as was mentioned in the US thread, they used footage of the Love Ulster riots when showing the tv reports of people showing their anger towards them

robbie_998

lynchie wrote: »

And as was mentioned in the US thread, they used footage of the Love Ulster riots when showing the tv reports of people showing their anger towards them

i see a guy in the first one wearing a celtic jersey ?

Jip

Which means Dublin is a host city ! I for one welcome......ah forget it, it's a cliche at this stage.

JP Liz

Wash gone already

Alfie1

Anyone know if TV3 are showing a repeat of this, I had a look but couldn't see any ?

PS SciFi HD started showing adverts for this last night for broadcast in 2010.

Elmo

Alfie1 wrote: »

Anyone know if TV3 are showing a repeat of this, I had a look but couldn't see any ?

PS SciFi HD started showing adverts for this last night for broadcast in 2010.

They may repeat it on 3e at some point.

or

They may have had to make a deal to get it so early so they may have forgone a repeat licence.

redfacedbear

I found it watchable but with a few clunkers that raised a warning flag for me - part of it could be put down to the fact that it was a bit rushed for a pilot.

The troubling bits:

The journalist giving in to Inara's demands for a whitewash interview was very unconvincing.

'Universal healthcare' - please! The heaviest handed attempt to shoehorn a contempory 'issue' into a sci-fi story since the black&white vs white&black aliens in the original Star Trek.

I also found the sprouting of opposition and resistance to the visitors very rushed and the young priests conversion highly unconvincing.

The good bits:

Inara and Elizabeth from Lost - phwoar!

MOH

Meh.

iguana

redfacedbear wrote: »

I also found the sprouting of opposition and resistance to the visitors very rushed and the young priests conversion highly unconvincing.

Yup, in the original series most people accepted the aliens at their word happily took the scientific and economic benefits they brought. Some people were cautious due to the "too good to be true" message of the aliens and their obvious superiority. Over time the visitors started pitting the general public against the scientists and reducing everyone's freedoms. This made the initially cautious people very worried and they started to rebel.

It was well thought out and believable as it mirrored how starving Germans had reacted to the economic and social improvements brought by the Nazi's. And the eventual loss of freedom which was accepted by most but resisted by some. Occasionally the metaphor was a little heavy with the jackbooted aliens and Grampa Bernstien's stories of his escape from the Nazis but overall it was intelligent and realistic.

This crap is none of that. It is supposed to be a metaphor for the current political situation with al queda and the patriot act. But so far all they seem to do is shoehorn in the idea of "sleeper agents" over and over again.

anotherlostie

Very fast pace, but as others have said, maybe too fast. I twigged that Tudyk was a baddie once the resistance mentioned the Visitors were on earth for years. I suspect the older priest will be another one, and I didn't see the black guy as this time's Willie. Like Flashforward, bit slow at getting to know the character's names.

I could understand Scott Wolf's character's capitulation - interviewing Anna was such a coup - I wonder will he become the reboot's human spokesperson for the Visitors?

iguana

anotherlostie wrote: »

I didn't see the black guy as this time's Willie.

More Martin than Willie. Martin was part of an organised fifth column. Willie was just a guy who was sent to the wrong part of the world, he'd learned Arabic not English, and fell in love with Harmony when she was so nice to him.

Diabhal Beag

Great episode IMO. I hope Hayley gets a good recurring part in this. I fancy her so much.

It has progressed far too much though as said before. They could have teased the V's plan in the first episode and played it out in the coming episodes.

Still a very good show

Ginny

Watched it today, I enjoyed it, I have absolutely no memories of the original series though.

Dudess

No eye candy for me... apart from the son :eek:

/checks date of birth on IMDB - December 1989

I'm clean!

MagicMarker

Dudess wrote: »

No eye candy for me... apart from the son :eek:

/checks date of birth on IMDB - December 1989

I'm clean!

Sometimes it's best not to know:(

Einstein

really enjoyed this!
picked up 14million viewers on ABC on its premiere, apparentley a record for a Tues night debut in quite a while!

Rank Show Network Rating
(in millions of viewers)
#1 NCIS CBS 19.39
#2 V ABC 13.94
#3 The Biggest Loser NBC 8.53
#4 So You Think You Can Dance FOX 6.39
#5 90210 The CW 2.07

I agree there was a lot happening in the first episode, but most people seem to be happy to watch the next one! So I guess it did its job!

http://www.visitorsite.net/ has the numbers linked from mediasource, also a cool up to date site on the update of the new V series.

Any chance of a forum for this you think?

Elmo

Einstein wrote: »

picked up 14million viewers on ABC on its premiere, apparentley a record for a Tues night debut in quite a while!

Rank Show Network Rating
(in millions of viewers)
#1 NCIS CBS 19.39
#2 V ABC 13.94
#3 The Biggest Loser NBC 8.53
#4 So You Think You Can Dance FOX 6.39
#5 90210 The CW 2.07
)

NCIS was watched by nearly 20million doesn't mean it is good.

Richard Dower

Dedicated `V` sub-forum under Sci-Fi??.....do we have the Boardsies to get this done?

Magic Eight Ball

Einstein wrote: »

Any chance of a forum for this you think?

+1 for a V sub-forum.

Elmo

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

+1 for a V sub-forum.

Lets wait until it gets at least to the end of the year.

Zaph

Or until it gets picked up for a second series. No forum will ever be granted on the basis of just a pilot episode being aired.

sceptre

Dudess wrote: »

I agree the first episode seemed pretty rushed all right - thought it would take a couple of them before the earthlings realised what was going on...

I was thinking the same. Though it got discovered in the first night of the original miniseries (mostly because there had to be some reason for everyone to watch it the second night). Aliens secretly look like lizards and like eating mice? Must be evil.

These days we're supposed to be a little more accepting and sophisticated though. Aliens actually look like lizards? Em, OK, but are they actually evil? After all, they're promising universal healthcare and we're the ones who elected George Bush twice.

Just being slimey isn't enough. They actually have to be evil in some way. Baby-eating planet destroyers at any rate (I suspect we'll find out at the very least that their statement about there only being two life-supporting planets is untrue and that they've done nasty things to others). We're far more sophisticated than we were in the 80s, or at least claim to be. Geckos make me nervous so if they're too scaly, I may not end up watching it but it's definitely not enough that they're green underneath.

As an aside, they're not putting post-episode 5 into production until January so its dependent on ratings being kept up to actually have them made. I'll keep an eye on it for a while but I rather hope there aren't any balloons or red dust as alien-killing devices.

Dudess

MagicMarker wrote: »

Sometimes it's best not to know:(

Ah, I thought my post absolved me of any perviness...

Einstein

Elmo wrote: »

NCIS was watched by nearly 20million doesn't mean it is good.

doesn't have to be good if it gets ratings

Elmo

Einstein wrote: »

doesn't have to be good if it gets ratings

Yes that is my point.

Some really good shows don't get half as many viewers.

redfacedbear

Dudess wrote: »

No eye candy for me... apart from the son :eek:

/checks date of birth on IMDB - December 1989

I'm clean!

Is the young priest not a big hunk of manliness? :pac:

robby^5

sceptre wrote: »

I was thinking the same. Though it got discovered in the first night of the original miniseries (mostly because there had to be some reason for everyone to watch it the second night). Aliens secretly look like lizards and like eating mice? Must be evil.

These days we're supposed to be a little more accepting and sophisticated though. Aliens actually look like lizards? Em, OK, but are they actually evil? After all, they're promising universal healthcare and we're the ones who elected George Bush twice.

Just being slimey isn't enough. They actually have to be evil in some way. Baby-eating planet destroyers at any rate (I suspect we'll find out at the very least that their statement about there only being two life-supporting planets is untrue and that they've done nasty things to others). We're far more sophisticated than we were in the 80s, or at least claim to be. Geckos make me nervous so if they're too scaly, I may not end up watching it but it's definitely not enough that they're green underneath.

As an aside, they're not putting post-episode 5 into production until January so its dependent on ratings being kept up to actually have them made. I'll keep an eye on it for a while but I rather hope there aren't any balloons or red dust as alien-killing devices.

Well the viewers are given a good enough reason to hate the V's after episode one, they're perversion of the media, propoganda and killing of dissenters sends a clear message that these guys are fascists...not a quality I like in my E.T's

As for the characters, I think the V's hiding their true nature and covertly infiltrating human society is reason enough to be at least suspicious of them and to excercise caution by setting up some sort of resistance... the V's sending their Gestapo to break up the meeting justified that suspicion.

Cactus Col

Pretty disappointed with the first episode. It should have taken two or three episodes to get as far as we are. I think the first episode was always going to have quite a large audience, and really it should have been given a double episode.

One thing that did annoy me, and maybe I'm wrong about this, but I thought the V in the original series came from unhappy citizens spray painting V (for victory) on buildings, rather than supporter's spray painting V (for visitors) on buildings.

Richard Dower

`V` was the sign of the resistance....not a trademark for the reptiles.

Dudess

redfacedbear wrote: »

Is the young priest not a big hunk of manliness? :pac:

You tell me!

Nah, he's all right.

iguana

Richard Dower wrote: »

`V` was the sign of the resistance....not a trademark for the reptiles.

Yup, at the end of the first episode (double length, the original mini-series was 2 double episodes long) Abraham (Grampa) Bernstein and Ruby are walking past some teens who are spraying red graffiti on some of the visitors' propaganda posters. Abraham takes the spray can on them and says it should mean something and he sprays a V and tells them it stands for victory and to pass it on.

last scene ep1 wrote:

[Abraham Bernstein and Ruby Engels see a group of kids spraypainting a row of Visitor propaganda posters]
Abraham Bernstein: No...If you are going to do it, do it right. [takes the hand of the kid with the spray paint and draws a large red "V" on the FRIENDSHIP IS UNIVERSAL poster] You understand? For Victory! Go tell your friends...[walks away]

The Black Oil

Hmm, slight improvement this week. Still some clunky some lines and lazy writing...Eric being interviewed both by the panel and her boss felt a bit awkward. I'm glad Anna didn't play too much of a central role in this episode, she's not that charismatic or evil. Sticking with Erika seems to be the way to go, not sure about her teaming up with the priest, but it was inevitable. The older priest obviously seems to be corrupt.

'Don't trust anyone', well that's original..:rolleyes:

anotherlostie

Well if last week's episode went too quickly, then this was a dramatic drop in pace, and perhaps points to how they can extend the duration of the show. I wasn't expecting Alan Tudyk to reappear, and will be interesting how that plays out.

The brainwashing aspect was quite subtle if you haven't seen the original but no doubt there will be more of that anon.

I'm still seeing Erica as Juliet though and that's a problem; either the characters are too similar, or her range is lacking.

Also, could TV3 have possibly placed more programme trailers in the adverts?! It was worse than Sky One.

MagicMarker

I wasn't particularly impressed with last nights episode. Nothing of any significance happened! It was just a pointless episode.

Erika's son and his ''love interest'' are pissing me off already.

Simon201

Enjoyed them first two epi's - yer man Joel Gretch is always in these type of things it seems and there was even a reference to 'The 4400' in the address of the meeting place.