BUYING TONIGHT: Is there a 18650 (battery type) powered back light?

72hundred

Hi,

Sick of cars coming close on the way home tonight so I'm getting a new back light to hopefully replace my two weak current ones for more safety etc. etc.

I've got a Fenix TK11 front light and its excellent! I love the power I can get out of a 18650 and I was wondering if I can get the same for a back light? Ideally sold by chainreaction cycles / wiggle (as have vouchers). Would be willing to go with other retailers if a good price.

Failing that, I was thinking a Mars Backburner 2/3/4 which is best? Are there others that are good?

Cheers for any help!

Beasty

I have the Cateye TL LD1100 Rear Light, which has 2 rows of LEDs. I keep one on constant and the other on flashing. The all round brightness is excellent. It takes a couple of AA batteries and is available from Wiggle:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Cateye_TL_LD1100_Rear_Light/5360025767/

72hundred

Thanks for suggestion. Looks like a good light.

Had an idea, of getting a TK11 R2 and attaching a red filter http://thephotonshop.co.uk/page59.htm - overkill? I'd probably :rolleyes: run it at the low setting.

EDIT: Yea, at €80, probably is overkill alrite.

blorg

Smart 1/2 watt is a fraction of the price of the Cateye and Blackburn options and just as good. Smaller too. On special at the moment from Wiggle, I would get at least two and put one on steady and another on flashing.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Smart_1~2_Watt_3_LED_Rear_Light/5360026001/

Note the Cateye and Blackburn are all very good lights, the Smart is just better value.

An 18650 powered rear really is overkill and unnecessary.

I have four of the Smarts although to be honest that is more than is necessary and I generally just use one or two.

Nietzschean

do yours frequently go off when its raining? noticed yours wasn't on much on sat, on and off....though it was more like a bath than rain i suppose...

ROK ON

Fwiw. I was coming home from an evening cycle with Lumen several weeks back. The Blackburn 4 on the back of his bike was so bright that I was forced to cycle out front till we got home.
You will be noticed with that light.

72hundred

blorg wrote: »

Smart 1/2 watt is a fraction of the price of the Cateye and Blackburn options and just as good. Smaller too. On special at the moment from Wiggle, I would get at least two and put one on steady and another on flashing.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Smart_1~2_Watt_3_LED_Rear_Light/5360026001/

Note the Cateye and Blackburn are all very good lights, the Smart is just better value.

An 18650 powered rear really is overkill and unnecessary.

I have four of the Smarts although to be honest that is more than is necessary and I generally just use one or two.

Thanks Blorg - good advice as ever. I'll almost have recreated your lights set up soon with the TK11 up front.

ROK ON wrote: »

Fwiw. I was coming home from an evening cycle with Lumen several weeks back. The Blackburn 4 on the back of his bike was so bright that I was forced to cycle out front till we got home.
You will be noticed with that light.

Cheers. That's the kind of brightness I was looking for!

I think the solution could be one of each! Can't have too much light and still fairly good value!

EDIT: I think I'll have to find a cheap supply of AAA or maybe rechargeable lithium ones...

blorg

Dealextreme have good rechargable AAAs.

72hundred

blorg wrote: »

Dealextreme have good rechargable AAAs.

Just ordered 3 SMARTS, and a Blackburn 4.0.... this post should really be in the left the credit card at home thread! Ah well, its winter now best time to buy anyways. Off now to look up rechargeable AAA... lithium type I presume is the time to look for?

EDIT: Can't seem to spot AAA rechargeable Lithium batteries... are they just not made? Loads of NiMH though.

niceonetom

ROK ON wrote: »

I was coming home from an evening cycle with Lumen several weeks back. The Blackburn 4 on the back of his bike was so bright that I was forced to cycle out front till we got home.

So if I get a bright enough back light I can wheelsuck all the way through a night-time ride? Mental note made.

blorg

72hundred wrote: »

EDIT: Can't seem to spot AAA rechargeable Lithium batteries... are they just not made? Loads of NiMH though.

Yes, NiMH. Lithium-Ion are a fundamentally different battery type, the voltage is different too, they would not work even if available in an AAA form factor, the device would be designed to work with the voltage from the AAAs. I have these batteries which are decent. Key with buying batteries from DX I think is to check the reviews and make sure no-one says they are absolute crap. Or just buy a brand name. The former are cheap and work fine while the latter are that new NiMH type that hold their charge better. If you are using and recharging continually the former are fine though, the latter better if you might be leaving them in the light for a while as they don't run down when not in use like normal NiMH batteries.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.488
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8980

MadHatter

72hundred wrote: »

Just ordered 3 SMARTS, and a Blackburn 4.0.

Can't go wrong with those Smarts - £8 each on Wiggle at the moment too which is a good deal. Attached 2 to my rear rack a while back, leave them on full mode as I have a Cateye on the seatpost in flashing mode, and they are business. First night coming home I had another cyclist quizzing me about them while stopped at lights, said he'd never seen anything that bright.

BikePure

OK so, I've decided to buy one of the legendary Fenix TK11 torches for my bike which I keep hearing rave reviews about on here. Is this really the best value to performance light out there for general night road riding and the odd bit of off roading (will be combined with a helmet mounted less powerful torch). I presume the TK11 Q5 was the older version with an output of 225 lumens and the TK11 R2 is the new one with 240 lumen output. Is the price difference really worth it? And was the old one CREE or something...what does this mean in english please or does it even concern me?

So my question is this...where is the best place to get it...http://www.thephotonshop.co.uk/page37.htm (€74.98 delivered) or http://www.fenixtorch.co.uk/led_torches/fenix_tk11_r2.html (€79.51 delivered) I think both places include the same free accessories and batteries do they?

I know there are other US based sites like https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=650 and http://www.fenixtactical.com/fenix-tk11-r2.html offering slighly cheaper prices of around €60 but I recently got stung for import duties/VAT/tax etc and don't fancy it happening to me again anytime soon so UK based websited preferred!

Batteries: I hear DealExtreme is good for the battery side of things and it seems so from a quick look (would something like these or these be OK?). Is either UltraFire or TrustFire better than the other, like one is the real thing and one is just a fake copy becuase everything I come across is made by one of them and was just wondering should I choose one above the other for some reason? And does a higher the mAh rating mean a better/longer lasting battery? Or is there one recommended mAh for this torch for optimum performance or for compatability reasons? I'm little confused here as you can see!

Charger: The battery charger I was looking at getting was the "ULTRAFIRE WF 139 DUAL BAY CHARGER". It is available on both UK sites for £18-£19 although thephotonshop have an unbranded one of £13...which would ye go for? Would the cheaper one do the job just as well or does the more expensive one have better features like auto cut off/over charge prevention to avoid damaging the batteries or quicker charging speeds? I would presume I would have to get the charger off one of the UK sites (even though it is less than half the price on dealextreme) for the plug to work in Ireland or can you specifiy on dealextreme which plug you want it to be shipped with?

So basically, if you were in my shoes, what pacakage would you put together...as in what would be in your shopping cart at the end of the day and where would you be buying it from! Cheers

(P.S. How would the TK11 compare head to head with one of Super Freak's Hope Vision 1 LED's from his new setup? The price is very similar, as is lumens and time outputs so where would your money go? I know this may go down to beam patterns etc but generally which one would be accepted as being the better light for cycling?)

Sorry for all the questions but I am sure this very helpful cycling community will have no trouble answering all of them...plus I am sure there are many baordsies who have actually made this purchase and know what they are talking about more then me (a certain "blorg" comes to mind :rolleyes:) Hehe, thanks guys!

EDIT: I just see blorg has actually just partly answered my batteries question before I even managed to finish typing my essay! However, the ones in the links are 800mAh and 900mAh...whats the story here? The ones I was looking at were all around 2500mAh and so were the ones that they were recommending for use with the TK11...is there different types for difference intentions of use?

72hundred

blorg wrote: »

Yes, NiMH. ....
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8980

Lovely they'll do! Thanks for the info.. now off to do more damage to Visa card...

EDIT: Right €80 for 3 SMARTS, 1 Blackburn 4.0, 8 AAA Rechargeables and a Recharger. Better stop now! No buyers remorse though - should be a savage set-up when it all comes together! Thanks for all the advice and help.

The tax man

blorg wrote: »

Blorg,what did mount yours lights(Smart 1/2W) onto the seat stays with? I'm guessing your stays aren't that thick and I know from owning these lights the mounting kit is geared towards a seatpost application.
Exactly which episode of MacGyver did I miss?

blorg

The tax man wrote: »

Blorg,what did mount yours lights(Smart 1/2W) onto the seat stays with? I'm guessing your stays aren't that thick and I know from owning these lights the mounting kit is geared towards a seatpost application.

Mine came with both seatpost and (much smaller diameter) seatstay mounts in the box.

blorg

Spare seat stay mount - also useful is a rear rack mount, if you have a rack that is the single best place to put the light.

ednwireland

The tax man wrote: »

Blorg,what did mount yours lights(Smart 1/2W) onto the seat stays with? I'm guessing your stays aren't that thick and I know from owning these lights the mounting kit is geared towards a seatpost application.
Exactly which episode of MacGyver did I miss?

both my smart and Blt rear lights have stay mounts although the smart bracket feels less flimsy

Turbulent Bill

blorg wrote: »

Dealextreme have good rechargable AAAs.

If you need batteries in a hurry, Aldi have good rechargeable batteries and a charger for cheap. Pack of 4 AAs (2300mAh I think) is less than a fiver, and the AAAs should be about the same. Charger is €12-14 range.

ednwireland

buy uniross hybrio or eneloop, or any of the new hybrid batteries, they hold their charge for about 6 months which means you dont get them out of your bag and their flat.

just a thought, replaced all my camera batteries recently

BikePure

Beasty wrote: »

I have the Cateye TL LD1100 Rear Light, which has 2 rows of LEDs. I keep one on constant and the other on flashing. The all round brightness is excellent. It takes a couple of AA batteries and is available from Wiggle:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Cateye_TL_LD1100_Rear_Light/5360025767/

...Same one on sale here as seen in PBK's email I got today!

Any help for my questions here? Maybe there were too many to answer, but if you even just advised where the best place to get it is and also which battery options to go for? I also noticed that http://www.thetorchsite.co.uk/fenix_tk11_r2.html also sell it for €75....so which is it The Photon Shop, The Torch Site or Fenix Torch.co.uk? Prices are very similar, its just down to how reputable they are and experiences with the service they provide aswell as helpfulness/contactability for returns inquiries etc...you know what I mean. Who would be receiving the order if it was for you (also take into the account the batteries and chargers they offer so I could make just one order from the same site - obviously not applicable if you reccomend DealExtreme or elsewhere for better/cheaper batteries and chargers etc. Please let me know if you do!)

So what order would you put together for me as I know very little on this topic and would probably make some silly mistake if I did it all myslef! Cheers

blorg

I bought two TK11 torches from the Photon Shop (I lost the first one) and was very happy with the service, they were dispatched immediately and I got them very quickly.

I got batteries and charger from DX as they are cheaper.

Also bear in mind you need to get a bike mount, I got a Lockblock from the Photonshop with my first order.

EDIT: Specifically on batteries/chargers:

18650 batteries (got pair of each, seem identical to me):
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3287
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5776

18650 charger:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6105

NiMH batteries:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8980 (hybrids, like Eneloop)
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.488 (decent quality cheaper rechargables)

NiMH chargers (both work fine, the LCD one has a discharge/recharge function):
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6152
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6194

BikePure

blorg wrote: »

I bought two TK11 torches from the Photon Shop (I lost the first one) and was very happy with the service, they were dispatched immediately and I got them very quickly.

I got batteries and charger from DX as they are cheaper.

Also bear in mind you need to get a bike mount, I think either the Photon Shop or DX will do these, the Lockblock is the best type I think.

Thanks man, I already have bike mounts - lockblocks alright - 2 parallel helmet type and a perpendicular handlebar type.

As I was getting no responses here, I tried to do a bit of research myself without knowing anything about batteries and lights. I came across this which looks interesting and seems to have a lot of information. It reccomends the UltraFire WF-139 LiIon intelligent charger which is actually the one I had been looking at. But batteries are still really confusing me...they sound more dangerous than I thought a battery could ever be, and can be damaged by using them too much (running them down too low!) and can actually break appliances if used incorrectly??? What, I never knew this...are they just being overly cautious or what? Whats the story here?

The best recommended batteries are these ones, but the seller says:

***DO NOT USE LiIon batteries if you don't know the dangers about them and how to handle them. Please check out this resourceful website on handling, charging, storage of LiIon batteries. Use at your own risk***

On that website there are pages upon pages of info on batteries, none of which I quite understand. So come on, please can ye just explain quickly and simply in normal english what batteries I need and where I should get them, also the precaustions I should take for this specific type of battery.

@blorg: Do you really need two of them to have appropriate lighing for night riding? Or would you just get away with the one, because I would have thought that one super-powerful light of the same value would be a better option than two smaller less powerful ones no? I will probably just be getting the one for now anyway as that is all I can afford and would have use for. The only thing I am worried about is if this setup would even be good enough for night mountain biking (maybe even racing!)...what do you think? Would it be OK for this use? Also blorg, can you link to the batteries and charger you got from DX? I thought you were ONLY supposed to get protected ones but do DX even do reliable ones like these? Also, I presume you have to use a plug adaptor for the US ones which I would imagine they ship with do they or can you get a UK/Irish plug version from them?

penexpers

blorg wrote: »

Spare seat stay mount - also useful is a rear rack mount, if you have a rack that is the single best place to put the light.

Bah, rack mount is out of stock on CRC.

BikePure

@blorg: Thanks for the battery and charger specifics edit! I really appreciate your help...but whats the story with these NiMH batteries, you say they are hybrids? Like what the hell is the difference between them and the Lithium Ion batteries, are there any advantage/disadvantages associated with either of them?

Also, it shows that they are only AAA's and I believe the Fenix TK11 R2 edition uses "one 4.2V 18650 Li-ion, two 3V CR123A lithium batteries, or two RCR123A lithium-ion batteries". The standard option seems to be to go with a 18650 Li-ion, plus I thought this battery was a completely different size to the standard AAA and AA.

Why would you go for the NiMH (is it because of the risks associated with the Li-ions, I am dying to hear more about this in actual fact) when they seem to be not very popular (not much evidence for this just that any shops that sell the Fenix link to the 18650s which they recommend to use with it!) Plus, they are only 800-900mAh while the other ones are usually around 2500mAh. Maybe you were just recommending them to me as batteries and not for use with the torch were you?

There are still a couple of questions unanswered, like what are the real worries with thos Li-ion batteries...are they really risky, damaged easily and liable to cause damage to your product if used incorrectly? Do ye use them and what are your experiences with them? Also do you really need the two Fenix's for an adequate setup, and how would one of them paired with a less powerful helmet mounted flood torch be suited for night mountain biking - or would a better setup be required for racing? Do you have to use an adaptor for the chargers bought from DX or can you get them to send out ones with an Irish plug? Many questions I know, sorry if I am a pain in the ass but I just want to get the best setup and know how to use it properly. I want to get out in the evenings as soon as I can so any help you give me will go a long way towards that and how soon I will be able to do it! Thank you

EDIT: And how would they compare head to head with one of the Hope Vision One LED from Super Freak's setup? Similar on price, lumens and output time...which is better? Beam patterns may be the deciding factor depending on your intended use. I'm not sure, you tell me! Cheers

penexpers

BikePure are you related to Home:Ballyhoura by any chance?

BikePure

penexpers wrote: »

BikePure are you related to Home:Ballyhoura by any chance?

No? Why do you ask...? Anyway guys, I think I would just go with the TK11 R2 from the photon shop...and get this charger along with these batteries from DX. What do ye think of this setup? Would you make any changes to it, either the products in the order or where I am getting them? I might just read-up myself in the meantime on how to use these really technical and complicated Li-ion batteries so I don't go damaging them in my ignorance or damage my light somehow...is this even possible?

...I have the Twofish LockBlock bike mounts already, but I was just wondering what you guys think of the Fenix 360 degree adjustable mount...it think it says it's for AA lights, might not fit the TK11 so but it definitely looks more secure! What do ye think, would it?

BikeRadar say the TK-11 (this was the older Q5 225 lumen model which they tested so the new R2 240 lumen model which I'm looking at is bound to be somewhat better, maybe only marginally though!) would only be OK for the MTB trails but they suggest "you use it in conjunction with another, less focused light" which is what I hope to do so it should be grand!

penexpers

BikePure wrote: »

No? Why do you ask...?

Because your posts are similarly long-winded to his and use roughly the same language.

blorg

From what I have read on forums when making my own mind up Lockblocks are better than the Fenix mount. I only have experience of Lockblocks mind.

My suggestions of the AAAs were for the rear lights not the Fenix.

I had the UltraFire WF-13 charger and it broke on me. I have two of the unbranded ones I linked which have been rock solid.

One Fenix TK-11 is more than enough for night time road riding, I have cycled across the country on one. It has a very long throw.

For off-road you might want something else with more flood, I would get this one for that. That light should be a fair bit brighter than the Fenix and have more flood. I plan to get one myself. Advantages of the Fenix would be that it is lighter and has potentially longer run time in the lower modes, plus ease of carrying spare batteries (I take it touring abroad and it will do me for basically unlimited night riding, I used it a fair bit riding around the Pyrenees and Sicily in the dark recently.) The Fenix might also have the edge for guaranteed reliability, some of the DX lights are a bit of a gamble, you mightn't want them as your only light.

BikePure

penexpers wrote: »

Because your posts are similarly long-winded to his and use roughly the same language.

Haha, is that a slag or what? Only messing, no worries man, I know I get carried away at times I'm really sorry about that. I'll try to keep them shorter in future!

blorg

Li-Ion batteries are a different chemistry to those available in AA/AAA sizes and have a higher energy density. This basically means more light for a given size torch/battery. They are the same batteries as used in laptops and yes there can be a fire risk. You may have heard of exploding laptop batteries. If you are happy to use a laptop they are worth considering for a torch.

I have never had a problem with 18650s- make sure you get ones with overcharge protection (the ones I linked have this.) The chargers should shut off themselves but this is an additional safeguard. Batteries with this generally have a slightly lower rated capacity as they need to fit a small overcharge protection circuit board into the form factor of the battery.

A lot of stuff from DX does come with either European or US-style plugs but I have plenty of adaptors hanging around. It generally specifies on the product page. They sell adaptors too very cheap. The unbranded 18650 chargers I linked came to me with US-style plugs.

Gavin

TK11 for your helmet. Magicshine on the bars. Dealextreme for battery and chargers. Avoid the Fenix 360 bike mounts, they don't handle a battering very well. I went over the bars, torch got hit and the mount broke. The plastic is brittle. I have ziptied the lockblocks onto the mtb and it works well.

Also ziptied a lockblock onto the fork and have a dealextreme p7 torch mounted on it. Very useful for throwing out light at a nice low height, helps to avoid fog.

blorg

Do you have a Magicshine yet Gavin? If so would you rate it above the P7 torch? I mean to get one myself but the new "5 mode" one looks more appealing if I can source it.

BikePure

Alright thanks to every one who helped, I have a new light setup layed out in my mind now as a result. Hopefully I do find a way of persuading myself that I actually do need it and will use it. Basically exactly what blorg and gavin have said, except for the P7 on the fork! Thanks again, case closed!

martyc5674

Where can i get a lockblock?(searched deal extreme and wiggle)
Cheers,
Marty.

BikePure

blorg wrote: »

Do you have a Magicshine yet Gavin? If so would you rate it above the P7 torch? I mean to get one myself but the new "5 mode" one looks more appealing if I can source it.

Let me know if you can source one cheap as it looks good alright for the price...was looking at the P7 too after Gavin mentioned it and it actually seems very good value too but I doubt it can live up to the claims of 900 lumens! However there seems to be 20 or 30 similar lights on DX under the title P7...is there one that is the best or one that is the real one and the rest are copies or something? All around the same price, but wouldn't know which to go for, which one of them are ye looking at?

BikePure

martyc5674 wrote: »

Where can i get a lockblock?(searched deal extreme and wiggle)
Cheers,
Marty.

Second item on this page: http://thephotonshop.co.uk/page64.htm

Gavin

blorg wrote: »

Do you have a Magicshine yet Gavin? If so would you rate it above the P7 torch? I mean to get one myself but the new "5 mode" one looks more appealing if I can source it.

No, still in the post ! According to the mtbr forums, the various issues with the magicshine lights have been fixed in the dealextreme and geoman versions. I don't know if the dealextreme versions have the 5 mode option now as well, each shipment seems to have slight upgrades. To definitely get the 5 mode, Geoman seems to be the best bet, although more expensive.

blorg

As Bikepure suggets I got mine from the Photon Shop at the same time as the light. You can also get them from here.

DX have a cheap one that is functionally identical and would work on helmets or indeed tribars but not on normal bars as it is not 90 degrees.

They also have this no word on how well it works though.

BikePure

Does the Magicshine include the battery pack and mounting accesories? All it says is that it is powered by a separate rechargeable battery pack (4 x 18650 lithium batteries inside) and that there is a 100V~240V AC charger (US plug) and pouch included. Are the batteries/battery pack as well as handlebar mounts all extra and need to be purchased separately?

Turbulent Bill

blorg wrote: »

From what I have read on forums when making my own mind up Lockblocks are better than the Fenix mount. I only have experience of Lockblocks mind.

I've both of these mounts, and the Lockblock is definitely better. The rubber mount gives some vibration damping and it fits on oversize bars. The Fenix mount rattles a bit and won't fit on oversize bars, so is a no-no for most current road bikes. Both are secure and easy to use.

The only reason I can think of to get a Fenix mount is where the bars are curved (like on an MTB), as you can (coarsely) pan one section of the mount to keep the light pointing straight ahead. The Lockblock can only mount the light perpendicular to the bars.

Lumen

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

The Lockblock can only mount the light perpendicular to the bars.

You can get both types - parallel and perpendicular. I have both - I experimented for a while with mounting a torch on the side of the top-tube to give steering-independent illumination like most cars have.

Turbulent Bill

Lumen wrote: »

You can get both types - parallel and perpendicular. I have both - I experimented for a while with mounting a torch on the side of the top-tube to give steering-independent illumination like most cars have.

Sorry Lumen, I know you can get both types, but that wasn't what I was getting at. The perpendicular Lockblock will always mount the torch perpendicular to the mounting point on the bars, but this mightn't be parallel to the stem (and direction of travel). Think of MTB bars which curve from the stem clamp - if you mount the Lockblock on the curved bits, the torch will point left or right rather than straight ahead. There's a very easy way of explaining this which is escaping me...

How did the top-tube mounting work out?

Gavin

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

How did the top-tube mounting work out?

I have also gone for a Top Tube Mounted Torch (TTMT). It works quite well actually ! Be nice to get a little bit more angle down for when on dark roads, but in the city it's fine.

72hundred

Just got the first package from CRC. 10 tubes and the Blackburn 4.0

First its just phenomenally bright! I mean like it burns the eye when looking at it under 10 feet. The side lights add a little but the power house is the 1watt central red light. Brilliant purchase and happy out with it. Plan on adding one of the 1/2 SMART's to the right seat stay as the left would be covered by the pannier bag. Should be enough me thinks!

BikePure

BikePure wrote: »

Does the Magicshine include the battery pack and mounting accesories? All it says is that it is powered by a separate rechargeable battery pack (4 x 18650 lithium batteries inside) and that there is a 100V~240V AC charger (US plug) and pouch included. Are the batteries/battery pack as well as handlebar mounts all extra and need to be purchased separately?

Well does it? And has anyone got caught for Import Duties and VAT when buying it off DealExtreme (is DX U.S. based or Hong Kong/China or does it even matter when it comes to customs?). Blorg, do let me know if you find that new "improved" 5 mode MagicShine as it does sound slightly more appealing! And also, one more question are the stock batteries supplied with the Fenix TK11 just standard non-rechargables - low quality I would suspect are they...would they be OK to use until the DX ones arrive if I decide to go for it?

blorg

Everything I have read suggests the Magicshine box includes everything you need.

I have never been caught for tax buying from DX but you could be unlucky. DX is Hong Kong but all that customs care is whether something is coming from outside the EU, US or HK makes no difference.

The stock batteries with the TK11 are a pair of CR123A lithium batteries, non rechargable. They are fine to use but you will only get 1.5 hours out of them in high, I think you will get 12 in standard so best leave it on that until you get the 18650s.

Home:Ballyhoura

blorg wrote: »

Spare seat stay mount - also useful is a rear rack mount, if you have a rack that is the single best place to put the light.

I ordered the spare seat stay mount but it actually doesn't work! Slightly different bracket to the popular smart 1/2 watt...I just read there it is for the Smart 3 LED...a different light altogether! Anyway, it's only €2 so I don't mind...couldn't be bothered sending it back so if anyone wants it...just let me know! Cheers