100Mb NTL

weeder

Lads, a lad i know is claiming that NTL are upgrading his 20Mb line to 100Mb after christmas free of charge and that he heard from an "inside source" so I immidiately call bull**** but I was just wondering are these plans actually in place?as i just laughed at him

Spear

weeder wrote: »

Lads, a lad i know is claiming that NTL are upgrading his 20Mb line to 100Mb after christmas free of charge and that he heard from an "inside source" so I immidiately call bull**** but I was just wondering are these plans actually in place?as i just laughed at him

UPC alreadly provide 120meg in the Netherlands, Poland and Slovakia. The more usually quoted timeframe is the Summer.

mehmeh12

Sounds like grade A BS alright..a 100 mb cable connection in Ireland of all places..granted i do know somebody in belfast who has 50mb fibre optic with virgin media but thats technically part of Britain.

Does your friend know if they will be upgrading the chorus 10mb broadband express package?

DingDong

mehmeh12 wrote: »

Sounds like grade A BS alright..a 100 mb cable connection in Ireland of all places..granted i do know somebody in belfast who has 50mb fibre optic with virgin media but thats technically part of Britain.

Does your friend know if they will be upgrading the chorus 10mb broadband express package?

The same was said about the chances of having 20Mb BB in Ireland and surprise surprise that's here. Virgin media's network(it was NTL at one point) is pretty much the same as UPC's its HFC(Hybrid fibre-coax). With the introduction of docsis 3 its possible to have a big jumps in speed Link.

Sponge Bob

It would be much too strong to say it was BS .

It is actually 120mbits and is promised by end April 2010 .

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/12855/

UPC are not known for promising a speed bump and failing to deliver . If they said they would do something before, then they did it.

It may be that areas upgraded post 2010 will get it and that retrofits will be slow but I am sure SOMEBODY will be able to get it in Ireland next year

game4it70

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

smur89

dont know much about NTL promising 100mb Broadband. But i do know that they are running a trial in one area (cant remember off hand where.. maybe Wyattville) where the upgrade will be "Deep Fibre".. which basically means instead of the Fibre / coax mix they upgrade with now. Itll be a fibre ring around the area (as it is currently) and then coax cable going along most houses (some carry the fibre route)... and then a coax cable from this feeding into your house (Drop cable).

The new way will be the same, only the drop cable will also be fibre.

Its just a trial, but if successful will be rolled out in all the upgrade areas.

Dont know how relevant this is!

Sponge Bob

You are confusing me smur , is that trial Fibre to c. 'the street' ( as is done now now) then coax to the house then fibre INTO the house .....or is it Fibre everywhere and no co ax at all ??

DingDong

smur89 has it slightly wrong it called fibre deep. Basically its the removal of all RF amplifiers and replacing them with optical nodes. The drops and distribution remain coax. It has no relevance to UPC move to over 100Mb BB. The current rebuild has been design with docsis 3 in mind so no re-rebuild will be required Sponge Bob.

smur89

..my bad!

GigaByte

game4it70 wrote: »

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

Well then you'll be very happy with the 100mb, you should have no problem getting your 20mb's then. Just because you have access to 100mb's doesn't mean you need to use it all, at least its there if you need it.

game4it70 wrote: »

I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

The amount of times this stupid question gets asked. :rolleyes:

dogpile

game4it70 wrote: »

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

Get ready for reading complaints about the lousy 70mb speeds people are getting....coming to a broadband forum very close to you soon

Spear

dogpile wrote: »

Get ready for reading complaints about the lousy 70mb speeds people are getting....coming to a broadband forum very close to you soon

The complaints are likely to be about how they throttle all non-HTTP traffic down to a mere 40 meg during peak hours.

GigaByte

dogpile wrote: »

Get ready for reading complaints about the lousy 70mb speeds people are getting....coming to a broadband forum very close to you soon

Ubernewb (from the future) wrote:

UPC are a bunch of tossers!! I pay for 100mb and can only get 70mb sometimes I get 90mb on a good day. Word on the grapevine is they're going to be upgrading to 500mb. Whats the point do people really need that? Even 3DTube's super HD 3D hologram porn clips only need 350MB, pffft!

Chris_533976

Roll on the super HD 3D hologram porn clips

game4it70

Jebus all i said was i wanted something near the service i pay for.I dont want 100mb.Yes i do download large files but i do that overnight so being a gamer i just want a steady connection without erratic pings.I dont see how 100mb will make my gaming a better experience.
And excuse me if i complain that i get 2-4megs some nights and 100+ pings to uk servers on a 20mb connection but i may just be picky:P

WillieFlynn

game4it70 wrote: »

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

At work I normally get at least 30Mb during term (100Mb out of term) and up to 250Mb off-peak to my desk.

As to whether anyone would need it at home, most of the time no, but if you have it you get a much better overall internet experience. It is a bit like disk space you can never have enough, your usage will always find a way of expanding to use whatever is there (and more).

Examples where I would find it very useful is when I am running remote backups and few people running graphic intensive applications on a remote desktops from work and would also like to be able to do downloads / software updates / stream TV all at the same time.

The main advantage for me is that I could work from home some days and have nearly the same experience as in front of my computer at work..

game4it70

WillieFlynn wrote: »

At work I normally get at least 30Mb during term (100Mb out of term) and up to 250Mb off-peak to my desk.

As to whether anyone would need it at home, most of the time no, but if you have it you get a much better overall internet experience. It is a bit like disk space you can never have enough, your usage will always find a way of expanding to use whatever is there (and more).

Examples where I would find it very useful is when I am running remote backups and few people running graphic intensive applications on a remote desktops from work and would also like to be able to do downloads / software updates / stream TV all at the same time.

The main advantage for me is that I could work from home some days and have nearly the same experience as in front of my computer at work..

Thats a good example of where it would be of use to some people.
Would they not be better off putting the resources into making the existing service more stable as this i would have thought would suit alot of people more?

Blackdragon

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Roll on the super HD 3D hologram porn clips

Will i need a new Modem?

bk

game4it70 wrote: »

Jebus all i said was i wanted something near the service i pay for.I dont want 100mb.Yes i do download large files but i do that overnight so being a gamer i just want a steady connection without erratic pings.I dont see how 100mb will make my gaming a better experience.
And excuse me if i complain that i get 2-4megs some nights and 100+ pings to uk servers on a 20mb connection but i may just be picky:P

Don't game and do big downloads at the same time. Big downloads will always interfere with the quality of the gaming, this is true of all Broadband services, not just cable.

At least throttle back your download and upload speed. Also why not just set your downloads to run during off-peak times?

game4it70 wrote: »

Would they not be better off putting the resources into making the existing service more stable as this i would have thought would suit alot of people more?

No, moving to DOCSIS 3 will greatly improve the service, even for those who stick with just a 20mb/s connection.

See at the moment DOCSIS 1 and 2 only use one channel (downstream), which is shared with your neighbours, when they move to DOCSIS 3 it will then use 4 channels rather then just 1.

That means you and your neighbours will have 4 times as much bandwidth to share, which means you will be much more likely to get closer to 20mb/s.

BTW I don't think they'll upgrade 20mb/s to 100mb/s, going by what they currently offer in the Netherlands, I guess they will upgrade 20mb/s to 60mb/s, while 90mb/s and 120mb/s will be new, higher priced products. See here:

http://www.upc.nl/internet/

game4it70

bk wrote: »

Don't game and do big downloads at the same time. Big downloads will always interfere with the quality of the gaming, this is true of all Broadband services, not just cable.

At least throttle back your download and upload speed. Also why not just set your downloads to run during off-peak times?

Oh i do as its amazing how even a small upload can effect gaming.
Good to hear the upgrades will help the service so.
Thanks for the info.

Fingleberries

bk wrote: »

Don't game and do big downloads at the same time. Big downloads will always interfere with the quality of the gaming, this is true of all Broadband services, not just cable.

At least throttle back your download and upload speed. Also why not just set your downloads to run during off-peak times?



No, moving to DOCSIS 3 will greatly improve the service, even for those who stick with just a 20mb/s connection.

See at the moment DOCSIS 1 and 2 only use one channel (downstream), which is shared with your neighbours, when they move to DOCSIS 3 it will then use 4 channels rather then just 1.

That means you and your neighbours will have 4 times as much bandwidth to share, which means you will be much more likely to get closer to 20mb/s.

BTW I don't think they'll upgrade 20mb/s to 100mb/s, going by what they currently offer in the Netherlands, I guess they will upgrade 20mb/s to 60mb/s, while 90mb/s and 120mb/s will be new, higher priced products. See here:

http://www.upc.nl/internet/

Will they be freeing up some space on the cable by ending Analogue TV packages that use the same pipe at the moment?

Or is this simply a change from DOCSIS 2 to 3 resulting in better performance?

bk

Fingleberries wrote: »

Will they be freeing up some space on the cable by ending Analogue TV packages that use the same pipe at the moment?

Or is this simply a change from DOCSIS 2 to 3 resulting in better performance?

I don't know for a fact, as I don't work for UPC, however my understanding is that UPC have been upgrading the quality of the cable throughout the network. That means the cables can carry far more bandwidth then in the past, which means they should be able to add the 3 additional channels needed for EuroDOCSIS 3 without needing to discontinue the analogue TV service.

Switching from DOCSIS 1/2 to 3 means you go from using the equivalent bandwidth of 1 analogue TV channel to the equivalent of 4 analogue TV channels, which gives you much more bandwidth.

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if UPC drop the anaolgue TV service at some stage to make room for more digital channels, HD channels and BB. However it would be risky for UPC, as it is a major selling point for UPC and they could end up losing lots of customers to Sky.

rom

bk wrote: »

I don't know for a fact, as I don't work for UPC, however my understanding is that UPC have been upgrading the quality of the cable throughout the network. That means the cables can carry far more bandwidth then in the past, which means they should be able to add the 3 additional channels needed for EuroDOCSIS 3 without needing to discontinue the analogue TV service.

Switching from DOCSIS 1/2 to 3 means you go from using the equivalent bandwidth of 1 analogue TV channel to the equivalent of 4 analogue TV channels, which gives you much more bandwidth.

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if UPC drop the anaolgue TV service at some stage to make room for more digital channels, HD channels and BB. However it would be risky for UPC, as it is a major selling point for UPC and they could end up losing lots of customers to Sky.

Is there still an analogue tv service ? Didn't know that.

Well they have moved to N3 with all digital channels i all i know. An installer was out replacing my modem yesterday and told me that they are indeed offering 100Mbit in the new year and they have invested 90M Euro to do this. As a mere hobbyist the Motorola modems that they used to use are capable of a 155Mbit downstream.

Hopefully they will increase the upstream in the same magnitude.

bk

rom wrote: »

Is there still an analogue tv service ? Didn't know that.

Well they have moved to N3 with all digital channels i all i know. An installer was out replacing my modem yesterday and told me that they are indeed offering 100Mbit in the new year and they have invested 90M Euro to do this. As a mere hobbyist the Motorola modems that they used to use are capable of a 155Mbit downstream.

Hopefully they will increase the upstream in the same magnitude.

Yes, anaolgue TV service is still available outside Cork, handy for kitchen TV's, etc.

What is the model of the modem, both your new one and the old one?

Sponge Bob

Did they not have enough spectrum for it on the cable in Cork bk ???

Freddie59

mehmeh12 wrote: »

Sounds like grade A BS alright..a 100 mb cable connection in Ireland of all places..granted i do know somebody in belfast who has 50mb fibre optic with virgin media but thats technically part of Britain.

1. Why is it BS? According to who, exactly?:rolleyes:

2. That 50Mb connection in Belfast is not pure FTTH. It's HFC - just like UPC's network.:P

bk

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Did they not have enough spectrum for it on the cable in Cork bk ???

Cork analogue TV under Cork Multichannel had always been scrambled, you needed those awful "Black boxes" to descramble the analogue TV channels.

So when UPC took over, they simply replaced the descrambler boxes with digital TV boxes and completely switched off the old analogue TV service. I guess they figured most people in Cork never even knew you could get unscrambled analogue, so what you don't know, you won't miss.

smur89

120mb broadband coming this year. We haven't been told when yet, but soon I assume.

... Also getting video on demand to digital tv and a few new channels

M.J.M.C

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/12855/

mehmeh12

Presuming chorus does actually get this done by the end of the year what kind of price structure will they have?

P1erce

What about upload?

Don't get me wrong getting a 120mbit connection which is limited by most current home installations is a great thing to have.. just wish I could get upc.

Pierce

Mister Gooey

http://www.independent.ie/temp/upc-to-introduce-higherspeed-broadband-service-2080747.html

irishguy

mehmeh12 wrote: »

Presuming chorus does actually get this done by the end of the year what kind of price structure will they have?

This is what they charge in the Netherlands so I guess it will be a bit more than that.

http://www.upc.nl/internet/

pc8000

120 mb broadband is available in Dungarvan , http://www.cablesurf.com/

JustAddWater

Instead of rolling out 100Mb broadband in homes how about sorting it so that people in all areas can get UPC broadband in the 1st place!

Can't even get UPC broadband in clondalkin. Stupid!

P1erce

JustAddWater wrote: »

Instead of rolling out 100Mb broadband in homes how about sorting it so that people in all areas can get UPC broadband in the 1st place!

Can't even get UPC broadband in clondalkin. Stupid!

They are doing a fair job. UPC would love just as much as you to be available to every house in the country but when you are not using a pre-existing infrastructure with the red tape of irish planning permission, along with we dig the road up 40 times before were finished attitude, its difficult to roll it out infrastructure.

Pierce

smur89

JustAddWater wrote: »

Instead of rolling out 100Mb broadband in homes how about sorting it so that people in all areas can get UPC broadband in the 1st place!

Can't even get UPC broadband in clondalkin. Stupid!

Depending on which part of clondalkin you live in it should be ready for broadband in the next few weeks. Some parts were released last week..

Sponge Bob

No , they are not going to catch up with Dungarvan in 2010

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/16086/comms/upc-to-launch-100mbps-fibre-broadband-to-500k-homes

04.05.2010
UPC has unveiled its Fibre Power 100Mbps broadband service, which will be available to consumers from late summer and will offer HD TV and phone services and is based on the latest Docsis 3.0 infrastructure

But not all their BB enabled homes are getting 100mbits. 500k homes will allegedly be passed by the service.

Liberty Global-owned UPC’s broadband services are capable of serving 600,000 homes in Ireland that are connected to cable. In its first quarter results. the company revealed that 110,000 of these homes are subscribing to broadband from UPC.

I think this is a jolly good response to the next generation 8mbit flummery that eircom have subjected us to in recent months all the same

gurramok

I moved from one end of Ringsend, Dublin where I had UPC broadband to the other side of Ringsend where it is not available.

The installer of the digital TV said my street was the only street not enabled yet.
I was told by UPC over the phone that it would be later this year when the road is enabled. With that, I had to sign up for DSL(24mb) as I cannot wait on a promise.

Stevek101

Sponge Bob wrote: »

No , they are not going to catch up with Dungarvan in 2010

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/16086/comms/upc-to-launch-100mbps-fibre-broadband-to-500k-homes

Taken from same artical.

It is the culmination of a €330m investment in UPC’s next-generation network in Ireland and is a step closer to the 120Mbps speeds the company envisages by the end of this year.

Sponge Bob

Stevek101 wrote: »

Taken from same artical.

I assume that Dungarvan will have moved forward by then .....just like they always do.

If UPC really want to be ambitious they should for once roll out somthing faster than Casey in Dungarvan....not something faster than eircom.

watty

bk wrote: »

Yes, analogue TV service is still available outside Cork, handy for kitchen TV's, etc.

Analogue on cable is doomed. I said so years ago. Always been poor quality anyway.

One analogue channel is 20 Broadband users or about 5 HD TV channels.

watty

Well, I'd be happy if they pegged at 120Mbps, VOD, 200+ SD channels, 20 HD channels and started flinging fibre and coax along poles into the countryside.

It's all very well for the big cities and Dungarvin. What about the rest of us?

What they are wasting on Anglo Irish would give us all fibre.

KeRbDoG

Dudes on Matt Coopers 'The Last Word' on TodayFM now talking about it

jesus_thats_gre

Sponge Bob wrote: »

If UPC really want to be ambitious they should for once roll out somthing faster than Casey in Dungarvan....not something faster than eircom.

Why?

Sponge Bob

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Why?

So we don't have to call them a pack of liars. EG this lie

http://www.upc.ie/pdf/UPC%20unveils%20Fibre%20Power%20internet%20with%20up%20to%20100Mb.pdf

The fastest home Broadband speeds in Ireland, up to an incredible 100Mb

when they already have 120mbits in Dungarvan which is 20mbits faster that the UPC offering ...which is not available until

late summer

anyway and this is different to what they said in December 2009 when they told siliconrepublic that

speeds as high as 120Mbps will be available as early as August next year.

( when they really should have added ,"but only in Dungarvan because we won't be offering them" )

Even that is materially different to what they told , you guessed it JTG , siliconrepublic again this time in May 2009 when the 120mbit pimp started.....without the phrase 'up to' back then. Another gem

we look forward to the introduction of our high-definition (HD) TV service over the coming months

Any other questions there JTG????

KeRbDoG

I take it you work for Casey there Sponge Bob?

Whats the population of Dungarvan? 17k? 46k? While 120mb is great and I wouldn't snub it (would sure like to have it) Are they rolling it out to 100,000+ customers?
I'm no fan of UPC/NTL and I take your point about 120mb is the fastest at the mo in the Rep. for home broadband.

Sponge Bob

kerbdog wrote: »

I take it you work for Casey there Sponge Bob?

No connection, never even met them. Casey are but the one true legend of the BB forum.

For the 1/3 of households nationwide that will be able to get such a service from UPC by the year end this is is generally good news .....even when it is shorn of the bull**** and spin.

But they are not the fastest service in Ireland today and will not be this time next year and they probably never will be seeing as they are a copper based service

watty

I'd be fairly sure Sponge Bob doesn't work for Casey. Just a fan Probabily can't even get their service where he lives.

dub45

I am curious as to what people make of this? from that press release.

Due to our 1/3rd of a billion investment in our Fibre Power network we are in a unique position to
consistently deliver unrivalled un-congested speeds and meet that demand.

My emphasis.