Hugh Taylor November Tips

mike65

New month, hopfully new form. The second selection is a speculative one, do not lump on!

12.20 LINGFIELD
1pt win HARTY BOY (15-2 Sportingbet, 7-1 Stan James, Victor Chandler) unplaced

3.40 LINGFIELD
1pt each way FOREST DANE (25-1 Stan James, 20-1 General) placed

Mr E

Oops, posted to the older thread. I'll report my own post and ask mod to lock thread.

mike65

3.30 PLUMPTON
2pts win HIGH OSCAR (15-2 Skybet, VC Bet) unplaced

4.20 WOLVERHAMPTON
3 pts win YOUCANALWAYSDREAM (9-1 Skybet) unplaced

qc3

Prices gone already.11/2 and 6/1
.

Nulty

Hugh always finds a decent price but I gotta oppose High Oscar.

He won this last year but hasn't won since. I think hes worse off in the weights with 3rd and fifth from that win.

I'm with Sebastiano

Kod-box

high oscar was cruising had he not fallen at the 2nd last he woulda won it imo.

magherakid

yeah he wouldnt been 2 far away now

mike65

3.00 EXETER
1pt win ASHLEY BROOK (16-1 William Hill) (opposing Tom Segal) unplaced terrible selection!

3.10 CATTERICK
1pt win BORASCO (8-1 general) SP 12/1 :eek: unplaced

4.10 CATTERICK
1 pt win SOUNDBYTE (15-2 Paddy Power) placed

TheMilkyPirate

magherakid wrote: »

yeah he wouldnt been 2 far away now

He would have won easy, Thought falling was the last thing he was going to do his jumping was excellent throughout.

POINTBREAK

Pricewise thread locked............ thats a pity.

mike65

12.10 NOTTINGHAM
2pts win DESERT PRIDE (14-1 general) 11/

12.40 NOTTINGHAM
2pts win CANE CAT (15-2 Totesport) 7/1

6.50 KEMPTON
2pts win CATCHANOVA (8-1 bet365, Paddy Power) 8/1

mike65

2.20 LINGFIELD
1pt win HIGHTIME HEROINE (4-1 general) placed

4.00 LINGFIELD
1pt each-way DUBAI DIVA (12-1 general) win

Good man Hugh, more of this please!

magherakid

mike65 wrote: »

4.00 LINGFIELD
1pt each-way DUBAI DIVA (12-1 general)

Kod-box

was worried with the drift but even better, backed at 7's drifted to 10's and won, finally back on track hughie :D

qc3

Hugh is -3.25 Pts @ SP
-1.5 Pts @ Advised

mike65

2.30 SOUTHWELL
1pt win LESLEY’S CHOICE (6-1 Paddy Power) Win

DONCASTER NOVEMBER HANDICAP (SATURDAY)
3 pts win, 1 pt place HILLVIEW BOY (16-1 general)

Dun laoire

Just noticed Hugh Taylor is +415 since March. Now that is some going but i can't help but think it is not really accurate. As soon as he knocks up his price it's dropped almost immediately. I would love to know how much profit you'd be up if you took sp on all his picks. Anybody have the time to go thorugh it :pac:

BTW I'm in no way Knocking Hugh Taylor here and i do follow him a good bit.

All Hail Hugh!!

qc3

October 2009 record
September 2009 record
August 2009 record
July 2009 record
June 2009 record
May 2009 record
April 2009 record
March 2009 record
In Oct he was down 20.25 Pts

Dun laoire

qc3 wrote: »

October 2009 record
September 2009 record
August 2009 record
July 2009 record
June 2009 record
May 2009 record
April 2009 record
March 2009 record
In Oct he was down 20.25 Pts @ sp

Well i'll be damned! Down 20.25 for October on sp, fukin hell. He was up to i think 345 after september so on advised prices he gained an extra 70 for october. Tha facts are people, it's highly unlikely we'll ever get the price that Hugh Taylor advises so it does paint a different picture. LOL @ -20.25 points though! Wouldn't have taught it be that bad. Thanks by the way

mike65

qc3 wrote: »

In Oct he was down 20.25 Pts @ sp

tbf Dun laoire no-one backs a tip at SP unless they are fools, you have to be quick. Thats a given. It was still a poor month though at any price, only a handful of winners.

Dun laoire

mike65 wrote: »

tbf Dun laoire no-one backs a tip at SP unless they are fools, you have to be quick. Thats a given. It was still a poor month though at any price, only a handful of winners.

I agree nobody will back at sp and only a fool would do so because nearly all firms pay gp. However i've never once gotten his advised price. The bookmaker immiedatley slashes the odds. Would it be a fair assumption to make that the bookmaker will cut the odds before a penny even comes for it? All i'm saying is Hugh Taylor is +415 to date but i don't think anyone else is that would strictly follow his selections. Either way i'm sure you'd be up so why complain? :pac:

qc3

Dun laoire wrote: »

Well i'll be damned! Down 20.25 for October on sp, fukin hell. He was up to i think 345 after september so on advised prices he gained an extra 70 for october. Tha facts are people, it's highly unlikely we'll ever get the price that Hugh Taylor advises so it does paint a different picture. LOL @ -20.25 points though! Wouldn't have taught it be that bad. Thanks by the way

That is only Oct i gave, he was up 20.89 Pts @ advised odds in the same month.
You need lightening fingers to get anywhere near his guide when he posts

j@utis

Dun laoire wrote: »

....I would love to know how much profit you'd be up if you took sp on all his picks. Anybody have the time to go thorugh it :pac:
....

well, I have s**t loads of time on my hands and started looking into this (curiosity (killed the cat)).
According the Racing Post some prices never were that high as those in the logs on ATR website. RP gives SP, OP and says touched bla bla something. I'm in doubt... were they pulled super longs odds from?

p.s. I have to check about 130 races results + some horses' names are incorrect, so it's a bit of investigation csi style, you know tracing the ip's and such...

qc3

We all know it is hard to get advised prices on his tips,
but you need to get close if you want to make a profit.


Here are a few examples
Advised SP
4/10/09 1Pt win Alandi @ 10/1 wins @ 5/1 - 5 Pts
6/10/09 2 Pts win speed guru @ 14/1 wins @ 10/1 - 8 Pts
7/10/09 1Pt win annes rocket @ 12/1 wins @ 7.5/1 - 4.5 pts
21/10/09 2 W 1 P Ultimate @ 16 Wins @ 13/2 -9.5 pts
As you can see there is a difference of 27 Pts from advised to SP

POINTBREAK

Dun laoire wrote: »

Just noticed Hugh Taylor is +415 since March. Now that is some going but i can't help but think it is not really accurate. As soon as he knocks up his price it's dropped almost immediately. I would love to know how much profit you'd be up if you took sp on all his picks. Anybody have the time to go thorugh it :pac:

BTW I'm in no way Knocking Hugh Taylor here and i do follow him a good bit.

All Hail Hugh!!

You need to be very careful with Hugh. In October he gave 30 consecutive losing tips and in every month since he started he has had a long losing run of between 15 and 23 losers.

Dun laoire

POINTBREAK wrote: »

You need to be very careful with Hugh. In October he gave 30 consecutive losing tips and in every month since he started he has had a long losing run of between 15 and 23 losers.

Well when i say i follow him a good bit it's generally to make up a lucky 15, 31 etc.. There's no way i could afford to follow his points system if lets say i used 10 euro as a 1 point stake (That would be the norm for the majority of people i reckon). I like Hugh Taylor, he does put up some bold bets and I can appreciate that unlike tipsters who throw up really short price favs as their tips all the time.I just don't think it shows a true reflection of his profits to even the quickest of punter who would back him as per his points system.

POINTBREAK

Dun laoire wrote: »

Well when i say i follow him a good bit it's generally to make up a lucky 15, 31 etc.. There's no way i could afford to follow his points system if lets say i used 10 euro as a 1 point stake (That would be the norm for the majority of people i reckon). I like Hugh Taylor, he does put up some bold bets and I can appreciate that unlike tipsters who throw up really short price favs as their tips all the time.I just don't think it shows a true reflection of his profits to even the quickest of punter who would back him as per his points system.

I agree. I couldnt find any record for him at SP and when I checked his strike rate I reckoned I didnt have a big enough bank to sustain his losing runs. I stick to Pricewise, but dont back Mel Collier who tips on weds/thurs, and I keep a record of the results the last few months.
I think Hugh Taylor would actually be losing at SP.
Tom Segal is due a few winners, so keep an eye on his tips this weekend the Pricewise Thread.
Good luck.

Dun laoire

qc3 wrote: »

That is only Oct i gave, he was up 20.89 Pts @ advised odds in the same month.
You need lightening fingers to get anywhere near his guide when he posts

Over 40 points in the difference all the same. Interesting alright.

mike65

2.05 DONCASTER
4pt win, 2pt place PLAISTERER (10-1 Bet365 (1/4 odds), William Hill)

3.45 DONCASTER
2pts win FELDAY (14-1 William Hill)

8.49 SANTA ANITA (Race 4)
2pts win ALFRED NOBEL (US PARI-MUTUEL)

Already Recommended (scale 1-5 points):
NOVEMBER HANDICAP
3pts win, 1pt place HILLVIEW BOY (16-1)

j@utis

POINTBREAK wrote: »

You need to be very careful with Hugh. In October he gave 30 consecutive losing tips and in every month since he started he has had a long losing run of between 15 and 23 losers.

just compiled his records from march09 to 20Oct09 with SPs and:
- SP is shorter than advised price by 36% on average for winning selections
- if you backed @SP you'd ended up with -183.24pts loss
- strike rate 20%
- 22 consecutive losers

POINTBREAK

j@utis wrote: »

just compiled his records from march09 to 20Oct09 with SPs and:
- SP is shorter than advised price by 36% on average for winning selections
- if you backed @SP you'd ended up with -183.24pts loss
- strike rate 20%
- 22 consecutive losers

I suspected as much. The thing that annoys me about him is the constant hype. He gave 30 consecutive losers and then tipped a winner. Jason Weaver then said on ATR Another winner for Hugh Taylor keeping up his great run............ I nearly fell of my chair!

blindpilot

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I suspected as much. The thing that annoys me about him is the constant hype. He gave 30 consecutive losers and then tipped a winner. Jason Weaver then said on ATR Another winner for Hugh Taylor keeping up his great run............ I nearly fell of my chair!

I remember that. I had followed Hugh through most his bad patch there and was shocked when he said that. 30 losers is not a good run Jason.

Dun laoire

j@utis wrote: »

just compiled his records from march09 to 20Oct09 with SPs and:
- SP is shorter than advised price by 36% on average for winning selections
- if you backed @SP you'd ended up with -183.24pts loss
- strike rate 20%
- 22 consecutive losers

What a difference! Fair play for taking the time to work it out j@utis. The bookie must love Hugh

mike65

2.35 HEREFORD
1pt each way MARKED MAN (10-1 general) 9/1

3.15 FFOS LAS
1pt win MISTER QUASIMODO (7-1 Paddy Power, 6-1 general) 13/2

j@utis

both unplaced

j@utis

a little update here:
you'd actually come out with a profit if you didn't back anything above odds 8 and bet single stake to win only. profit +51pts over the period mentioned before. ah I love playing with numbers...

edit: I used SP in these calculations and actually profit is +42.71pts because you need some in your bank to start with, about 10pts.

candlegrease

j@utis wrote: »

a little update here:
you'd actually come out with a profit if you didn't back anything above odds 8 and bet single stake to win only. profit +51pts over the period mentioned before. ah I love playing with numbers...

Not sure what you mean about odds 8

Going by HT's bets since september 1 I have the following stats

241 bets
Points staked: 444
Return: 451.23
Profit/Loss: +6.83pts

using HTs recommended stakes at SP

harryR

honestly lads id rather study form and scan at the races website than follow taylor.. just prefer gut feeling tbh

j@utis

I don't follow HT. I'm more interested in statistic And I never put a bet down without looking at the card.

qc3

2.25 CARLISLE

2pts win OF COURSE (16/1 general

j@utis

qc3 wrote: »

2.25 CARLISLE

2pts win OF COURSE (16/1 general

2nd by 3&3/4 lengths @15/2

qc3

2.10 EXETER

1pt win HIGH CAROL(6/1 General)
2.20 SEDGEFIELD

1pt win CAST IRON CASEY(9/2 General)

j@utis

Cast Iron Casey 7/2 now and market is a mess

High Carol was meant to be a favorite according to betting forecasts (9/2 RP)

qc3

I'm going to take him on with
2.20 Sedgefield Divers @ 11/2
2.10 Exeter Clyffe Hanger @ 5/1
Just seen the betting site and these two are tipped with Huguenot @ 9/2 3.00 Lingfield.
Going with a Patent with all three.
I have Hugh @ -8.25 Pts so far this month @ advised prices.

magherakid

qc3 wrote: »

2.10 EXETER

1pt win HIGH CAROL(6/1 General)


Alot of money for Prince Geeno in this race

blindpilot

HIGH CAROL unplaced.

j@utis

qc3 wrote: »

2.10 EXETER

1pt win HIGH CAROL(6/1 General)
2.20 SEDGEFIELD

1pt win CAST IRON CASEY(9/2 General)

both unplaced

mike65

Fupping sh1te. Time to find some new tipsters methinks.

NoelJ

Yeah i aint been betting on Hughs or Racingpost recently either Miker. Neither are on a good run.

Mr E

mike65 wrote: »

Fupping sh1te. Time to find some new tipsters methinks.

Go with qc3 ... 2 places today from:

2.20 Sedgefield Divers @ 11/2
2.10 Exeter Clyffe Hanger @ 5/1

(See #44 in this thread)

Had a double on it, and more than doubled on my stake, so thanks for that.

mike65

qc3, our new guru?