Shell to Sea disrupt Community Protest

schween

Has anyone noticed this in the letters page of the Galway Advertiser?

Last week Margaretta D'Arcy from Shell to Sea wrote a letter to the Advertiser (Page 64, Oct. 22nd) complaining that the Gardaí tried to stop them having a peaceful protest. She asked whether the reason the young Garda was on the lookout for a threat was because the people might notice a connection between the gas field and the cuts and that's why the young Garda wanted Shell to Sea out of the protest. As usual, they paint a picture of oppression by the Gardaí.

Then this week (Page 50, Oct.29th), Tommy Flaherty from the Ballybane Community Forum, one of the organisers of the event, paints an entirely different picture. He describes how it was a quite peaceful protest against Govt cutbacks which was hijacked by Shell to Sea with loud blaring music and intimidation towards Gardaí and protesters from the Community group. He says they asked that Shell to Sea be removed from the protest as they weren't a part of the group but the Gardaí were abused as were they themselves.

What do ye think about all this? Was anyone here at the protest?

EDIT: Here are links Margaretta D'Arcys letter http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/18245
Tommy Flahertys letter http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/18513

Robbo

Gas that has yet to be landed and won't be landed for some time is the solution to the current budget deficit? They have to wonder why people won't take them seriously. It's that kind of semi-autistic reasoning that ruins any point Shell to Sea have and makes them a totem of idiotic misplaced rage around which sane people gather and laugh.

inisboffin

To be honest, I have heard conflicting reports from *people I know* who were at that demonstration. I wasn't there, so now I am taking both letters with a grain of salt.

WOODMOUNT

My wife witnessed this incident herself and the second letter is accurate,
and she praised the garda present for his self control.

big b

Many people gave support to the Shell to Sea campaign, when they thought that's what it was - a campaign to have an offshore platform for processing, rather than onshore.
Now it's quite clearly, imho, simply another anti Shell, anti globalisation and anti-government hatefest.

I've posted on enough previous threads about STS already, suffice to say I don't have a great deal of respect for them.

?Cee?view

I read both letters.

I don't know Tommy Flaherty or his track record on issues and protesting.

I do know of Margaretta Darcy (Radio Pirate Woman) and her long well self-publicised record of protesting on many different issues.

I believe Tommy Flaherty's version and I commend all at the protest who didn't rise to the taunts of Shell to Sea and their associated rabble rousers.

baaaa

People protesting gov't cutbacks in today's climate is about as thick as it gets.It's this me fein mentality that has us where we are,and it will bankrupt us if we keep indulging it.

No matter what people think of shell to sea at least their hearts are in the right place,these ejits protesting are just doing it coz they're selfish and not very good at simple economics.

?Cee?view

baaaa wrote: »

No matter what people think of shell to sea at least their hearts are in the right place,

I agree with the rest of your post, but I'd question the above.

baaaa

churchview wrote: »

I agree with the rest of your post, but I'd question the above.

Why so?
What do you see their intentions as?

?Cee?view

Frankly, I'd say many of them are unclear as to their intentions.

It seems that many have wider political agendas and radical political backing. Some of the prominent protestors have well documented connections. Many of the locals who are in support of the development have been subject to intimidation and harassment. Upwards of 1000 people now work on the site.

I think that the tactics used (violence, intimidation) have long since usurped any positive environmental concerns.

Sorry OP and Mods - Didn't want to go Off Topic, but just responding to the question.

baaaa

churchview wrote: »

Frankly, I'd say many of them are unclear as to their intentions.

It seems that many have wider political agendas and radical political backing. Some of the prominent protestors have well documented connections. Many of the locals who are in support of the development have been subject to intimidation and harassment. Upwards of 1000 people now work on the site.

I think that the tactics used (violence, intimidation) have long since usurped any positive environmental concerns.

Sorry OP and Mods - Didn't want to go Off Topic, but just responding to the question.

Some may have broader agendas alright,but I'm not sure that I'd say their hearts are in the wrong place.

Obviously there has been violence and imtimidation on both sides but surely that's part and parcel.

?Cee?view

baaaa wrote: »

but surely that's part and parcel.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Fuinseog

schween wrote: »

Has anyone noticed this in the letters page of the Galway Advertiser?

Last week Margaretta D'Arcy from Shell to Sea wrote a letter to the Advertiser (Page 64, Oct. 22nd) complaining that the Gardaí tried to stop them having a peaceful protest. She asked whether the reason the young Garda was on the lookout for a threat was because the people might notice a connection between the gas field and the cuts and that's why the young Garda wanted Shell to Sea out of the protest. As usual, they paint a picture of oppression by the Gardaí.

Then this week (Page 50, Oct.29th), Tommy Flaherty from the Ballybane Community Forum, one of the organisers of the event, paints an entirely different picture. He describes how it was a quite peaceful protest against Govt cutbacks which was hijacked by Shell to Sea with loud blaring music and intimidation towards Gardaí and protesters from the Community group. He says they asked that Shell to Sea be removed from the protest as they weren't a part of the group but the Gardaí were abused as were they themselves.

What do ye think about all this? Was anyone here at the protest?

EDIT: Here are links Margaretta D'Arcys letter http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/18245
Tommy Flahertys letter http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/18513

you cannot reason with shell to sea. these militant hippies should batoned out of existence. they are against teh government and state, zet are not above taking welfare cheques. do any of them actually work?

Fuinseog

baaaa wrote: »

Some may have broader agendas alright,but I'm not sure that I'd say their hearts are in the wrong place.

Obviously there has been violence and imtimidation on both sides but surely that's part and parcel.

they are against the people of Mayo having jobs.

By the way, i bet you the socialist workers Party were at the community protest as well. they never miss out on a protest, no matter how small.

WOODMOUNT

Fuinseog wrote: »

you cannot reason with shell to sea. these militant hippies should batoned out of existence. they are against teh government and state, zet are not above taking welfare cheques. do any of them actually work?

+1

WOODMOUNT

Fuinseog wrote: »

they are against the people of Mayo having jobs.

By the way, i bet you the socialist workers Party were at the community protest as well. they never miss out on a protest, no matter how small.

+1

inisboffin

Yet again, the sweeping generalisations of (insert collective noun - protesters, minorities etc) really engenders my sympathy to a particular viewpoint.

Not.:rolleyes:

galwayrush

Thankfully the media in general are not interested much anymore in the Shell to Sea/protest against anything twats .

JIZZLORD

speaking of radical protest groups, how are gaaw getting on?

baaaa

Fuinseog wrote: »

you cannot reason with shell to sea. these militant hippies should batoned out of existence. they are against teh government and state, zet are not above taking welfare cheques. do any of them actually work?

I believe they are against the government ripping off the state,not both.
It's a disgrace they don't have jobs what with the booming labour market.

baaaa

Fuinseog wrote: »

they are against the people of Mayo having jobs.

Yes,this is true.The prospect of shell providing 50/60 jobs drives these lazy hippes mad with jealousy.

Robbo

JIZZLORD wrote: »

speaking of radical protest groups, how are gaaw getting on?

Marvellously. World peace was declared and the airshow will now be entirely made up of box kites.

Steyr

JIZZLORD wrote: »

speaking of radical protest groups, how are gaaw getting on?

:pac::pac::pac:
http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/17902

Farrell gets a visit from the Fuzz
Galway Advertiser, October 15, 2009.
GAAW accuses Gardaí of ‘harassment’
By Kernan Andrews

Niall Farrell, the spokesperson for the Galway Alliance Against War group has accused the Garda of “harassment” following two plain clothed detectives calling to his home last weekend.

Last Saturday at approximately 5pm two plain clothed garda detectives called at the home of Mr Farrell. He was not at home at the time. It appears the gardaí wanted to speak with him about a phone conversation he had with a member of the Aviation Authority four months ago at the time of the appearance of the RAF’s Red Arrows in Galway.

Responding to the Garda visit to his home Niall Farrell stated: “The irony is stunning: In the same week President Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize, even though in his first seven days in office he sanctioned two air strikes in Pakistan that killed 22 people including women and children, and I get a visit to my home by two detectives because of my activities as an anti-war activist.”

Mr Farrell alleged that the “unannounced visit” to his home by the gardaí was “nothing other than harassment”.

Less than two weeks ago Mr Farrell was told by a uniformed garda sergeant investigating the death threats made against him that the investigation was at an end.

“The gardaí are in possession of the number that made the three threatening calls, the phone is registered to a bogus name and address,” he said. “The gardaí could not establish where the calls were made from or where the phone, that is still in use, was to be located because the telephone company Vodafone have failed to reply to the sergeant’s requests!”

Mr Farrell has now contacted the Garda Ombudsman regarding the Garda call to his home.

:pac::pac::pac:
Last time i checked AGS dont really need to tell you they are coming Niall...What a tool.

Fuinseog

baaaa wrote: »

Yes,this is true.The prospect of shell providing 50/60 jobs drives these lazy hippes mad with jealousy.

i think shell provides more than 60 jobs. more like a thousand plus. not to be scoffed at in an area where there was never anz employment.

most of these hippies never worked a day in their lives. most of the protesters in mayo are not even from the province.
a certain school teacher up there , one of the ringleaders, did not endear herelf to the local community when she went on extended sick leave, leaving her young charges in the lurch.

true, you have the odd farmer protesting, just like the odd farmer protested against the introduction of electricity to the area.

Fuinseog

I take it gaaw is galway against war, chaired by the brother of Mairead Farrell (an innocent Irish woman on a peace mission to Gibraltar, heinously murdered by the crown forces).

what I love about GAAW is the way that they condemn Israel, but support Palestine, the latter being a peace loving people

Fuinseog

Steyr wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:
http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/17902

Farrell gets a visit from the Fuzz
Galway Advertiser, October 15, 2009.
GAAW accuses Gardaí of ‘harassment’
By Kernan Andrews

Niall Farrell, the spokesperson for the Galway Alliance Against War group has accused the Garda of “harassment” following two plain clothed detectives calling to his home last weekend.

Last Saturday at approximately 5pm two plain clothed garda detectives called at the home of Mr Farrell. He was not at home at the time. It appears the gardaí wanted to speak with him about a phone conversation he had with a member of the Aviation Authority four months ago at the time of the appearance of the RAF’s Red Arrows in Galway.

Responding to the Garda visit to his home Niall Farrell stated: “The irony is stunning: In the same week President Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize, even though in his first seven days in office he sanctioned two air strikes in Pakistan that killed 22 people including women and children, and I get a visit to my home by two detectives because of my activities as an anti-war activist.”

Mr Farrell alleged that the “unannounced visit” to his home by the gardaí was “nothing other than harassment”.

Less than two weeks ago Mr Farrell was told by a uniformed garda sergeant investigating the death threats made against him that the investigation was at an end.

“The gardaí are in possession of the number that made the three threatening calls, the phone is registered to a bogus name and address,” he said. “The gardaí could not establish where the calls were made from or where the phone, that is still in use, was to be located because the telephone company Vodafone have failed to reply to the sergeant’s requests!”

Mr Farrell has now contacted the Garda Ombudsman regarding the Garda call to his home.

:pac::pac::pac:
Last time i checked AGS dont really need to tell you they are coming Niall...What a tool.

bloody Free Staters!

?Cee?view

Fuinseog wrote: »

I take it gaaw is galway against war, chaired by the brother of Mairead Farrell (an innocent Irish woman on a peace mission to Gibraltar, heinously murdered by the crown forces).

what I love about GAAW is the way that they condemn Israel, but support Palestine, the latter being a peace loving people

I didn't know that Farrell connection...very interesting

Steyr

Fuinseog wrote: »

I take it gaaw is galway against war, chaired by the brother of Mairead Farrell (an innocent Irish woman on a peace mission to Gibraltar, heinously murdered by the crown forces).

Yup totally Innocent..........:pac:

galwayrush

Fuinseog wrote: »

I take it gaaw is galway against war, chaired by the brother of Mairead Farrell (an innocent Irish woman on a peace mission to Gibraltar, heinously murdered by the crown forces).

what I love about GAAW is the way that they condemn Israel, but support Palestine, the latter being a peace loving people

Ironic to the extreme.

Yeah, who did they think they were shooting someone before she and her friends would have planted a bomb to kill them:rolleyes:

big b

i was actually in Gibraltar when that incident happened.

From the airport here, to the uk airport, to Spanish immigration, to "random" ID & baggage checks on the day-tour bus from Costa Del Sol to Gibraltar, my partner & I have never, before or since, been subjected to such scrutiny.

They must have been really worried about that innocent peace mission.:rolleyes:

PomBear

Fuinseog wrote: »

you cannot reason with shell to sea. these militant hippies should batoned out of existence. they are against teh government and state, zet are not above taking welfare cheques. do any of them actually work?

Attack the cause not the people

PomBear

Steyr wrote: »

Yup totally Innocent..........:pac:

The European Court of Human Rights would beg to differ from your sarcasm

schween

Steyr wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:
http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/17902

Farrell gets a visit from the Fuzz
Galway Advertiser, October 15, 2009.
GAAW accuses Gardaí of ‘harassment’
By Kernan Andrews

Niall Farrell, the spokesperson for the Galway Alliance Against War group has accused the Garda of “harassment” following two plain clothed detectives calling to his home last weekend.

Last Saturday at approximately 5pm two plain clothed garda detectives called at the home of Mr Farrell. He was not at home at the time. It appears the gardaí wanted to speak with him about a phone conversation he had with a member of the Aviation Authority four months ago at the time of the appearance of the RAF’s Red Arrows in Galway.

Responding to the Garda visit to his home Niall Farrell stated: “The irony is stunning: In the same week President Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize, even though in his first seven days in office he sanctioned two air strikes in Pakistan that killed 22 people including women and children, and I get a visit to my home by two detectives because of my activities as an anti-war activist.”

Mr Farrell alleged that the “unannounced visit” to his home by the gardaí was “nothing other than harassment”.

Less than two weeks ago Mr Farrell was told by a uniformed garda sergeant investigating the death threats made against him that the investigation was at an end.

“The gardaí are in possession of the number that made the three threatening calls, the phone is registered to a bogus name and address,” he said. “The gardaí could not establish where the calls were made from or where the phone, that is still in use, was to be located because the telephone company Vodafone have failed to reply to the sergeant’s requests!”

Mr Farrell has now contacted the Garda Ombudsman regarding the Garda call to his home.

:pac::pac::pac:
Last time i checked AGS dont really need to tell you they are coming Niall...What a tool.

Niall Farrell is a media whore.

Also why does the Advertiser devote so much space to GAAW, Shell to Sea, Margaretta D'Arcy and the likes? Is it because they are sympathetic to their causes or just that they're a crap paper with nothing much else to do? The City Tribune doesn't give them near as much attention.

Robbo

schween wrote: »

Niall Farrell is a media whore.

Also why does the Advertiser devote so much space to GAAW, Shell to Sea, Margaretta D'Arcy and the likes? Is it because they are sympathetic to their causes or just that they're a crap paper with nothing much else to do? The City Tribune doesn't give them near as much attention.

It's easier than being proper journalists. Just reprint press releases verbatim, sometimes even with the original spelling and grammar mistakes intact.

asahi

Bord Pleanala rejected Shell's scheme today and told them to go back to the drawing board.

asahi

Fuinseog wrote: »

you cannot reason with shell to sea. these militant hippies should batoned out of existence. they are against teh government and state, zet are not above taking welfare cheques. do any of them actually work?

And yet today the Shell to Sea protesters were proved to be right, and you are just a sad little man fulminating on the internet. Sad.

Sponge Bob

Apart from the fact that Shell to sea are indisputably a bunch of sociopathic nutters they always had justifiable concerns about the onshore pipeline through Rossport .

Most trunk gas pipelines are pressurised at 50-80 bar of pressure , the Rossport pipeline was supposed to be 340bar and in a concession shell have reduced this to 140bar .

Here is a report on pipeline explosions in the US in the range 50-70 bars

http://www.epa.ie/downloads/shell/thirdpartysubmissions/oral%20hearing%20subm.%20no.%2028d%28ii%29%20ed%20collins%20wikipedia%20entry%20ed.pdf

This was a particular comment made at the ABP hearing by a retired irish Army Bomb Disposal expert , Commandant Boyle.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0528/1224247592713.html

Comdt Boyle said that many recent pipeline accidents had occurred with pressure loads of 70 bar – half that proposed for the Corrib gas onshore pipeline.

He cited as an example the July 2004 explosion in Ghislenghien, Belgium, in which 24 people died and more than 120 people were injured. Most of those killed were police and firefighters responding to reports of a gas leak, operated by Fkuxys, a pipeline operator owned by Royal Dutch Shell.

Explosions caused by released fuel mixed with air had a multiple factor, Comdt Boyle said. The Ghislenghien explosion was equivalent to 41 tonnes of TNT and similar to the impact of smaller tactical nuclear weapons.

He said that a separation distance of at least 500 metres from dwellings would be more appropriate than that currently proposed. The new pipeline route has a 140-metre separation distance from dwellings – twice that proposed for the original pipeline route.

Here is a similar explosion aftermath in the USA from last year, the Appomattox blast

http://www.appomattoxnews.com/2008/photos-from-appomattox-gas-line-explosion.html

a selection here too ,including aerial photos.

http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/news/appomattox-pipeline-explosion/

and a report from Homeland Security explaining how the blasted scorched area has a diameter of 1100 Feet ( 400m) or a radius of 200m .

then there was one in Germany pressurised at 100 bar , have a look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW_bWtNBmoU

Frankly they will have to split one offshore pipe into 4 different onshore pipes and maintain 100m of separation from houses, minimum as well as 30m separation from each other, underground .

However I still can't stand listening them and their general screechy ****e

big b

asahi wrote: »

Bord Pleanala rejected Shell's scheme today and told them to go back to the drawing board.

asahi wrote: »

And yet today the Shell to Sea protesters were proved to be right, and you are just a sad little man fulminating on the internet. Sad.

hmmm RTE reports this on their website:

Decision on Corrib pipeline deferred
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 15:15
An Bord Pleanála has deferred making a final decision on the controversial Corrib gas pipeline in Co Mayo - and has asked Shell Ireland to address concerns it has about its safety.

The 9km onshore pipeline is designed to link the offshore gas field with the multi-million euro refinery which is being built at Bellanaboy.

An Bord Pleanála says the documentation provided by Shell does not present a complete, transparent and adequate demonstration that the pipeline does not pose an unacceptable risk to the public.

AdvertisementIt says part of the route - approximately 5.6km - is considered unacceptable because of its proximity to dwelling houses located within its hazard range should a pipeline failure occur.

The board has now written to Shell asking it to consider a series of modification which it considers necessary.

It says that, in principle, having regard to the strategic importance of the Corrib gas field, it was provisionally the view of the board that it would be appropriate to approve the onshore pipeline should the alterations it suggests be made.

It has now invited Shell to submit new proposals on the route of the pipeline; to provide further clarification on the technical design of the pipe and it is also seeking a new statement on Shell's risk assessment analysis on the pipeline.

Reacting to the decision, John Monaghan, Spokesperson for Pobal Chill Chomáin, said they were not surprised by the decision and were disappointed that An Bord Pleanála did not turn down the application altogether.

Shell to Sea campaigner Maura Harrington said: 'If over half the pipeline is unacceptable from a Health and Safety perspective it means that the project it has failed under the criteria for sustainable development and good planning.

'It proves it would be a pipeline to profits for Shell and poverty for the country. So it's time to renegotiate everything,' she added

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Decision deferred
make modifications & we'll pass it


not exactly "rejected"
and since ABP have not told Shell to build an offshore platform...not exactly "the protestors were proved right" either.

You don't think such obvious misquoting & misinterpretation does your cause more harm than good?

Prolonged planning permissions aren't exactly unusual in the oil business, and they're certainly not exclusive to Shell.
I would expect Shell will play the game by re-siting some of the pipeline, quelling the fears of the people who actually live there.
But keep hating multi-nationals from under the misleading "Shell to Sea" banner. The rest of us can see right through it.

PopeBuckfastXVI

asahi wrote: »

And yet today the Shell to Sea protesters were proved to be right, and you are just a sad little man fulminating on the internet. Sad.

Hi asahi, as you're a new user I'll just give you a friendly heads up that insulting other members of the forum isn't really acceptable. Please play nicely

/moderation

PomBear

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Hi asahi, as you're a new user I'll just give you a friendly heads up that insulting other members of the forum isn't really acceptable. Please play nicely

/moderation

Fuinseog came in with just as nasty a comment imo

PopeBuckfastXVI

PomBear wrote: »

Fuinseog came in with just as nasty a comment imo

Please use the 'Report Post' button located to the left of a problematic post to bring it to the attention of moderators.

/moderation

lmtduffy

big b wrote: »

hmmm RTE reports this on their website:

Decision on Corrib pipeline deferred
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 15:15
An Bord Pleanála has deferred making a final decision on the controversial Corrib gas pipeline in Co Mayo - and has asked Shell Ireland to address concerns it has about its safety.

The 9km onshore pipeline is designed to link the offshore gas field with the multi-million euro refinery which is being built at Bellanaboy.

An Bord Pleanála says the documentation provided by Shell does not present a complete, transparent and adequate demonstration that the pipeline does not pose an unacceptable risk to the public.

AdvertisementIt says part of the route - approximately 5.6km - is considered unacceptable because of its proximity to dwelling houses located within its hazard range should a pipeline failure occur.

The board has now written to Shell asking it to consider a series of modification which it considers necessary.

It says that, in principle, having regard to the strategic importance of the Corrib gas field, it was provisionally the view of the board that it would be appropriate to approve the onshore pipeline should the alterations it suggests be made.

It has now invited Shell to submit new proposals on the route of the pipeline; to provide further clarification on the technical design of the pipe and it is also seeking a new statement on Shell's risk assessment analysis on the pipeline.

Reacting to the decision, John Monaghan, Spokesperson for Pobal Chill Chomáin, said they were not surprised by the decision and were disappointed that An Bord Pleanála did not turn down the application altogether.

Shell to Sea campaigner Maura Harrington said: 'If over half the pipeline is unacceptable from a Health and Safety perspective it means that the project it has failed under the criteria for sustainable development and good planning.

'It proves it would be a pipeline to profits for Shell and poverty for the country. So it's time to renegotiate everything,' she added

---

Decision deferred
make modifications & we'll pass it


not exactly "rejected"
and since ABP have not told Shell to build an offshore platform...not exactly "the protestors were proved right" either.

You don't think such obvious misquoting & misinterpretation does your cause more harm than good?

Prolonged planning permissions aren't exactly unusual in the oil business, and they're certainly not exclusive to Shell.
I would expect Shell will play the game by re-siting some of the pipeline, quelling the fears of the people who actually live there.
But keep hating multi-nationals from under the misleading "Shell to Sea" banner. The rest of us can see right through it.

I think shell not having a problem with building an unusually high pressured gas line, closer than best practice would allow says a lot.

Their original plan was designed with profit not safety in mind.

I disagree with the methods of the shell to sea group, but this proves there general point that shell are more concerned with profit and not the people living beside the pipeline.

Now Id hope that all this would have come to light with out all the drama the shell to sea group has caused.

But what is more worrying is that people have brushed the valid concerns of shell to sea under the rug due to their own prejudice.

MPB

Shell to Sea and the Rossport 5 are about one thing. MONEY! and not getting enough of it. The Rossport area is a community divided and not unlike NI during the troubles. Using that as an example only to capture the split in the community and the hatred and fear that is now in the area amongst neighbours and one time friends. The people in this area who support the project are now in receipt of vigilante type attacks, threatening phone calls and all sorts. RTE did a documentary on it during the year and of course when put to Shell to Sea about these type of incidents they denied everything. Did anyone really expect them to admit to it???

Where this all went wrong was at the very start when Shell first approached people affected by the pipeline and from what I understand didnt approach the people in this area in the correct way so there was hostility there from the start which has been fueled and fueled by the many others that jumped on the bandwagon over time.

High pressure gas pipe lines are not a new invention. They are to be found throughout the world and have been tried and tested for many many years now.

This project should go ahead. Mayo is not a county that boasts many industries and this is the first major investment on any grand scale ever seen in the county. This has great potential for employment and the country needs this project. Not alone for the gas but for a revenue generating industry which might (if Europe don't take over) help get this economy back on track.

PomBear

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

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I apologise, it was more of comment than looking to punish the guy

lmtduffy

MPB wrote: »

Shell to Sea and the Rossport 5 are about one thing. MONEY! and not getting enough of it. The Rossport area is a community divided and not unlike NI during the troubles. Using that as an example only to capture the split in the community and the hatred and fear that is now in the area amongst neighbours and one time friends. The people in this area who support the project are now in receipt of vigilante type attacks, threatening phone calls and all sorts. RTE did a documentary on it during the year and of course when put to Shell to Sea about these type of incidents they denied everything. Did anyone really expect them to admit to it???

So how do you see rossport 5 or shell to sea making money from this?

Where this all went wrong was at the very start when Shell first approached people affected by the pipeline and from what I understand didnt approach the people in this area in the correct way so there was hostility there from the start which has been fueled and fueled by the many others that jumped on the bandwagon over time.

They wanted to build a pipeline that board pleanala has decided is unsafe, its a bit more than bad first impressions.

High pressure gas pipe lines are not a new invention. They are to be found throughout the world and have been tried and tested for many many years now.

This one is not like the many others, and is considered unsafe, which is why shell has been denied permission to build it.

This project should go ahead. Mayo is not a county that boasts many industries and this is the first major investment on any grand scale ever seen in the county. This has great potential for employment and the country needs this project. Not alone for the gas but for a revenue generating industry which might (if Europe don't take over) help get this economy back on track.

It should go ahead safely.
We dont get much of the gas.

And who is Europe and when are they planning on taking over?

Carraig

Apropos the OP - I was there and the Tommy Flaherty version is completely accurate. The Shell to Sea crowd really did attempt to hijack the Communities Against Cuts protest and to provoke the Guards.
Attractive people - the Shell to Sea crowd: militant crusties and semi-retired Shinners looking for a revolution/cause/something to object to/someone to get thick with.
SWP were there too but relatively quiet. Didn't spot Niall Farrell of GAAW but he may have been there or may have been off stopping war in Darfur... or not.

Sponge Bob

MPB wrote: »

High pressure gas pipe lines are not a new invention. They are to be found throughout the world and have been tried and tested for many many years now.

Christ on a bike

The original proposal was for a 340 or 350 bar pipeline through Rossport which is about 4 times higher than most major pipelines that travel across western europe .

This was an ULTRA high pressure pipeline not a high pressure pipeline which typically carries 50-80 bar of pressure .

Shell were forced to drop it to 140 bar which was what the Bomb Squard officer was describing in his evidence . Now ABP have told them to think again . The pipeline from Mayo south to Galway will be 85 bar rated not 145 bar rated and the gas will not be completely odourless as it will be between the processing terminal and the sea.

Shell claim they will only run 100 bar max thru the 140 bar rated pipe

This is what a sub 10 bar explosion looks like ( source)




At the bottom of this page you see what an 80 bar explosion looks like , this is one of those photos and this is the slightly below the scale of explosion described to An Bord Pleanála as shell intend to have a bit more pressure than this pipeline carried , maybe 25% more.





There are two solutions for 140 bar or 100 bar ..whatever .

1. Move it much further away form humans than planned by shell
2. Split it into 4 x 25 bar pipes which can go near enough peoples homes or 3 x 40 which would be the safest solution but that would involve a greater land take as each pipe must also be separated from the other .

This is a simple engineering solution , one that should have been offered years ago by shell .

youtheman

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Christ on a bike

There are two solutions for 140 bar or 100 bar ..whatever .

1. Move it much further away form humans than planned by shell
2. Split it into 4 x 25 bar pipes which can go near enough peoples homes or 3 x 40 which would be the safest solution but that would involve a greater land take as each pipe must also be separated from the other .

This is a simple engineering solution , one that should have been offered years ago by shell .

Holy 5hit, I nearly choked on my Wheatbix when I read this. You can split a 100 bar pipeline into 4 x 25 bars ?. I'm afraid you've a lot to learn before you can spout on about pipelines.

Sponge Bob

Either tell us what you are on about or do carry on with your weetabix

the_syco

PomBear wrote: »

Attack the cause not the people

Then why are those f**king hippies attacking those who are working at Shell? Why are those f**king scumbags who are not from the area nearby the Shell plant attacking the locals who work at Shell?

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I have no problems with someone launching either a legal arguement against the company, or a legal arguement against the safty issue.

S2S did neither. They attacked the people working at the plant. They also caused people to lose any interest in the safety issue, as S2S just jumped around in front of the camera, and attacked the people working at the plant.

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How does splitting the pipes up cause less pressure? Instead of one big pipe with 100 bar, surely splitting them up will mean you now have several pipes with 100 bar?

lmtduffy wrote: »

We dont get much of the gas.

At the moment, all the gas is pumped from Scotland. The pipes under the sea must be maintained. If the gas came from Mayo, I'd say it would be a lot cheaper.

youtheman

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Either tell us what you are on about or do carry on with your weetabix

I don't have to tell you what I'm on about. But you clearly don't have a clue what you're on about. Your assertion that you can split a 100 bar pipeline into 4 x 25 bar pipelines goes against simple simple laws of physics (not my laws, by the way).