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Forza 3 review and comments?
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24-10-2009 5:10am#1Join Date:Posts: 29920
I got Forza 3 because I played the hell out of 2. I own just about every racing car game out there and have finished half of them. Forza 2 was excellent.
Forza 3 is also excellent.... thats part of the problem I see with it. I cant shake the feeling its just FM2 with a paintjob. There are a bunch of new cars (ok, I never really DID care that they had old crappy versions of old crappy cars, I'm sure someone does, but it aint me). And a bunch of new tracks... which is good but I hadnt really worn out the old ones.
The paint system is point for point IDENTICAL to the old one, I mean, there isnt a single difference about it. I was sold on their promise of "massive support for painters"... which was either a lie or its going to be DLC (which is ghey).
The driving itself is excellent, like Forza2 is in fact. I dont see a great difference apart from being able to flip cars (which is fun
). I havent played it long enough to really give a solid review of it yet but like, its a driving game, how far can they go with it? It was excellent before... its still excellent!
The graphics are better, no doubt. Not a huge issue for me, tbh. The interface is worse... its less immediately understandable whereas FM2 had a clear tree structure of races and requirements, this one is less clear imho. The searching and garage changes are welcome additions as will be the "auto upgrade" for when you have oodles of money and just want to quickly pimp out a car.
So, my verdict is: if you liked FM2 you'll like this, its pretty much the same game. Oh, the interface is slightly worse and the graphics are better.
If you have FM2 and you are stuck for cash and torn between this game and another... I dont know that I would be rushing to buy this, simply because its not a huge step forwards.
Great great driving game, but I'm still hacked off that there is not a single change to the painting system, not even a new set of decals. Nothing.
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But does any franchise take a big step forward each year? FIFA, Madden, COD, PES, NHL, NBA et al seem to take aminor step forward each year??? Sure, Forza isnt a yearly franchise like the aforementioned but its still another franchise.
I was never a big fan of racing games but decided to get this earlier thanks to Tescos decent price and after a few hours career play I found myself surprisingly enjoying it. God help me when I go online though. Lol.
I will admit I have no idea about custom paint jobs but thankfully a few lads on the friend list are quite the pros with it so look forward to them doing up a few jobs for me.
After a few hours play Im liking it but full judgement will be reserved for a few weeks. 0 -
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The people on forza forums moaning expecting a vast improvement over forza 2 in terms of physics are playing the game with a pad.
Theres only so much a great physics engine can translate to the user via a pad.
tbh I don't see very many complain about the physics (bar the lack of grip on the drag strip or cars sliding down slopes even though the brakes are fully pressed)
Here is a list of the complaints compiled yesterday and to be fair it doesn't really matter if you play with a controller or wheel as a lot are not even related to the driving experienceDrag Racing Related Issues
1. Lowering Tire Pressure below 35 psi increases times substantially, this is not true to real life.
-Suggestion, add a few sets of tires like ET Streets, Mickey's etc. (I'm aware that Dan has suggested that they did not want to put any drag specific mechanics into the game, but in order to be modeled correctly this is the only fix I can think of.
2. 3,2,1 Countdown at the beginning of Drag Races, and the "dead" tree.
-Suggestion, this is an easy fix. Even if turn 10 ditched the staging mini game that was initially in the game, the tree still has it's place. Winning drag racesshould be about reaction time and being able to control the outcome with the "driver mod". Activate the tree, after the 3,2,1 countdown NHRA style simple enough.
3. No 60ft, reaction time, 1/8th mile time, or trap speeds in drag racing mode.
-Suggestion, another simple fix. Implement these. These make a great tuning tool for drag racing, it shows you exactly where you're losing time.
4. Free run drag racing starts the timer instantly, no time to rev the car.
-Suggestion, really similar to the one above with the tree. Give the player a 3-4 second timer to rev and then start the tree.
5. Grip on the Drag track is non-existant.
-Suggestion, adjust the track's coding so that it adds a multiplier to grip. I do agree with everyone that every track across the entire country has a different way of preparing the track, but the track in forza feels like running on ice unless you're in an AWD car.
6. Drag lanes are too wide.
-Suggestion, cut the size of the lanes in about half with protective barriers so that the anatomy of the rest of the (road) track doesn't have to be modified.Road Racing issues.
1. Staging "rev-scene".
-Suggestion, nearly everyone wants this gone. It was cool during the first race when you got to see the R8 revving, but after that it's just annoying.
2. Brake Squeel during inital scene.
-Suggestion, this may be something that not many people bring up but for those of us that do it's extremely annoying. I am one of those people that are supersensitive to high pitched squeeling like this, from a technical stand pointI can think of maybe 4-5 cars off the top of my head that actually squeel like thiswhen coming to a stop. One of them is my IRL car, a 2004 WRX Sti, and the only
reason it does that is because I've purchased ceramic brake pads for the car.A mini cooper is not going to squeel like a ceramic pig, please just get rid of it.
3. Downshift Audio Error. (Occurs whenever braking lightly and downshifting, engine tone will continue through the previously selected gear, you do not hear the gear change until 3-4 seconds after it's selected) Experienced both in the 08 sti, andthe Legacy B4.
-Bug
4. Audi S4/S5 imbalance (My personal opinion)
-Suggestion, I don't really have one at this point. I do not personally own an S4 but I have been on the real race track with several of them and to say the least I was quite underwhelmed. It's entirely possible that it could have been the driver of the car, but regardless it's pretty disheartening to see my favorite 2 classes (C &
being dominated entirely by Audis.
5. Missle Cars
-Suggestion, there is a LOT of controvery behind this and everyone was under the
impression that these were eliminated, but they have returned for FM3. Without
delving too far into my official opinion on the subject the only thing I can suggest
is to add a speed rating to tires. Once said tire exceeds it's rating it would
start to degrade at a pre-set rate.
6. Over-Sensitivty of the hot-lap certifier.
-Suggestion, I have always been told by race instructors that the rumble stripis part of the track, that being said a lot of people misconstrue that. When you are apexing, your inside tires should be allowed to touch the curbing and when tracking out your outside tires should be allowed to touch the curbing. It's completely ridiculous to have a time not be certified for using the entire track.I can't tell how many countless times that my instructor would hold the steering wheel while I was driving so that I wouldn't turn in or track out too early. My suggestion (sorry for the backstory) would be to remove the penalty for using rumble strips and bottoming out, everything else including bump drafting, regular drafting and other I completely agree with.
7. Lack of local leaderboards.
-Suggestion, add them back in. Even in this day and age not everyone who plays forza has an internet connection. Some people just enjoy playing offline and like to race against themselves and others in there homes.
8. Rabbit Cars.
-Suggestion, adjust the other cars with difficulty as well. Example... On easy mode, make most of the field as is, but as you progress through the other difficulties make the entire pack respond to difficulty changes, not just 1-2.
9. Tire/Fuel bug. (Tire wear not taking place in races)
-Suggestion, I have not personally experienced this but it's worth being looked into.
"Bug"
10. Exhaust note doesn't change with exhaust/cam mods.
-Suggestion, this is another one of those "fixit" things that might not ever happen. In my opinion the cars in stock form are WAY too loud, there's no way my sti was ever that loud in stock form. One other huge annoyance of mine is that the Subaru EZ30 swap sounds like a RB26, not the case.
11. Some cars in the R-class have non -working dashes.
-Suggestion, implement it.Multiplayer
1. Cannot tune cars in lobbies.
Suggestion, allow tuning of cars in private lobbies and not just to select different setups, not sure if it's possible in hopper lobbies but if not put the option in those as well. Anymore I can think off or come across I will add
2. Matchmaking is not working for A class.
With an open NAT (npnp activated), and all microsoft connection tests passed, users recieve the error message "You open a new empty lobby inaccesible."Auction House1. Cars are not named consistently across the AH/Dealerships/Storefronts.
- Suggestion, create more consistent names for cars especially with cars that have performance packages ie. Z28, S204, SS etc.Paint Shop/Livery Editor
1. Excessive glare is distracting when applying decals to the roof of the car.
-Suggestion, possibly have different sets of light conditions or possibly have the ability to turn off the dynamic lighting within the livery editor.Car/Part Specific Bugs1.Tinting windows of the Land Rover doesnt work
2. Can't paint the right JUN side skirt for the R-34. It mirrors what is on the left side skirt.General/Non-specific bugs.
1. Button for time trials in the main menu is missing. You need to access it versa leaderboards.
2. Compare cars option in the garage is missing
3. Errormessage when not connected to XBXOX LIVE is wrong (Leaderboards)
'the servers are not ready in the moment' There is no hint, that you are simply
not connected to XBXOX LIVE
4. The race overview shows green even if you need to up or downgrade your car
5. The race overview does not show where you already raced some races but not finish
the event (not finished all races of the event)
6. HP are shown on the Grafics of the races even if you choose metric (300HP shootout etc.)
7. Sky graphical glitch/problem on Road America
-There is a graphical error on the Road America track, just after the last bend, that makes the leaf textures on the trees disappear from certain angles, and also appears to make the photomode camera get stuck if moved into a certain position.0 -
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brian plank wrote: »one other blatantly obvious thing is the whole VW/audi dominance. the golf gti still dominates the small classes while the S4, S5 and R8 dominate C-A class. then during the loading screen theres a message along the lines of "VW set the standards for quality.....etc.".
Yeah, it was to be expected though, in the interviews that followed up to the release they emphasized that the R8 was going to be the star of the game,
and that they worked very closely with Audi. These things need funding.
I havent really played with too many F class cars myself so maybe thats where the difference in opinion is coming,
the other classes are the ones worth focusing on more imo.
But yeah, theres defintiely room for improvement next time round.0 -
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I Just got my first XBOX ever with this game in the bundle pack,Sony die hard here (not a fanboy) and GT fanatic.
Never thought i'd get an xbox but after gettin the taste of online racing with GT5p i couldn't wait till next year for GT5.
So i got this to keep me ticking over.
On a side note whoever said the Xbox was cheaper than the PS3 was havin a laugh.
Wireless adapter 80euro,Controller battery pack 30euro,optical connection 30euro
and a set of hearing aids in a few years 1000euro(dam its noisy :P
Anyway....
Didn't know what to expect of the game,Thought the only game Like this was GT.
But its a good game Looks amazing,
Forza has better looking enviroments, GT5p has better car modelling
Forza sounds alot better Than GT5p's hair dryer engines.
I think the handling of the cars in Forza have a bit of arcade feel to em,GT5p's handling's not as forgiving and is more sim orientated i think
Also the feeling of different cars in forza is a bit generic sum cars fell the same,, maybe that will change as i play it more.
The cars feel better under braking in GT5P, Trail braking in GT5p is alot better.
The Livery editor and tuning options are brilliant.
The Automatching online is Stupid, why couldn't they put lobbies??
But yea its a brilliant game well worth the money.
But not a Gran tourismo beater. 0 -
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No-one should ever play online with a wireless connection anyway.
You paid 30 quid? I was going to say something about magic beans but I don't want an infraction. :pac:
I didn't get an optical connection with either of my PS3s.
Install the games to the harddrive to cut the noise.
if you got a good wireless connection doesn't really matter.
Yea the optical connection is 24.99 in game with a hdmi cable as well tho.
Anyway im not here to bash the xbox
quite like it actually.
I just lol'ed when i got 2 duracells with my controller.
Didn't check any of that before i bought it.
I disagree with forza's physics are better than GT5 comment. They Aren't
Forza isn't as sim heavy as GT.
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monty_mole wrote: »I disagree with forza's physics are better than GT5 comment. They Aren't
Forza isn't as sim heavy as GT.
Still good tho.
Wheel or controller? Because proper PC Sim players have been lauding FM3 massively.
Also there's just one thing that sums up my feelings on GT5P's physics, I can set a faster time with Traction Control off than on. I'm not a professional racing driver, in fact I don't even have a driving licence, so make of that what you will.0 -
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