SGU 1x05 "Light" **SPOILERS**

Overheal

Poor Eli

But Fair Play to yer man. God what a hottie.

Overheal

I honestly did not see that coming. And I totally shat a brick. That was amazingly cool.

Stabshauptmann

How do you get it so quickly?

Poor eli indeed, I did not expect that. Classic ladder theory.

But why could Rush not just accept the thanks and be in a good mood.
If Young was correct, and Rush did know the ship would make it, then Rush's reason for staying quiet was to get rid of 15 ppl. Why then save them when he didnt need to, nobody could blame him if he couldnt think of a solution.

Anyway, another good ep, the recharge thing was very predicable, but nice twist with Chloe and good development of Greer.

- Actually there is a plausable logic behing Rush knowing. He wanted Young to pick Greer, perhaps *if* he did know the ship would save itself he was hoping to get rid of Greer, and maybe other people in his way. Though if they wanted us to think that there should have been more scenes of him suggesting who should be on the list.

Kirby

Well there are only really two explanations.

He didn't know the ship would survive. He assumed they would all die. And he would rather let everyone else think he knew all along....as opposed to not being able to figure it out. Because he's like that. Rather be thought of as a cold hearted bastard than stupid or powerless There is evidence in his character so far to support this.

Theory number two, Rush did know that the ship would survive....he hadn't quite figured out how yet but he knew. He let the shuttle leave knowing that it would get rid of 15 people. Or perhaps he fixed the list himself, as he alluded to with his talk with Young.

There are two problems with this theory though. Firstly, he hates Greer and he wasn't chosen. Would be a great time to get rid of him. Secondly, why rescure the shuttle? "Sorry Captain, but the pozitronic communications array will not align due to our close proximity to the sun!" Something along those lines is all he would have to say and then the shuttle would be left standed. But he helped rescure them. So I'm not sure I believe this theory.

Overall, best episode yet to be honest. I've been a little underwhelmed so far with the show, but this episode really tickled me. Was great stuff.

I also really like the music. Its very Blade Runner meets Mass Effect. I hope they stick with this style for the duration of the show.

Nick_oliveri

I think the need for spoiler tags is muted by the thread description.

Awesome episode. Ya kinda knew Eli, Rush and them would make it. There was little doubt. 7/10, points deducted for it being a little slow.

Sherifu

Another great episode. They've really nailed down the style & mood of the show already. If they can stay true to that it'll be brilliant. The effects once again are top notch and flying through the sun was super cool. We got to find out why Greer was locked up. Decking Telford.

I think the answer to when Rush knew is a mix of the two theories above. He seems to realise something when he sees the Destiny from the kino as the shuttle is leaving. Even if he didn't know he is the type of person to pretend he knew anyway.

Now i'm ready for some aliens, hopefully next week.

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

How do you get it so quickly?

Black magic. :pac:

ei.sdraob

Sherifu wrote: »

Another great episode. They've really nailed down the style & mood of the show already. If they can stay true to that it'll be brilliant. The effects once again are top notch and flying through the sun was super cool. We got to find out why Greer was locked up. Decking Telford.

yeh im glad they made a 2 parter, this allowed to get to know the characters better, i also like how secondary characters get more of an airtime

anyone else notice that Destinie's:

starboard wing is all damaged? there were bulkheads sticking out along the front edge of the wing

Sherifu wrote: »

Now i'm ready for some aliens, hopefully next week.

please no Goauld or Ori

or some other ridiculously retarded alien species

that are just not evil enough


actually id be happy if they explore the ship more and explore the characters


Once again Rush did a great job at casting, actually they all did

loving this so far

Sherifu

ei.sdraob wrote: »

anyone else notice that Destinie's:

starboard wing is all damaged? there were bulkheads sticking out along the front edge of the wing

She has taken a beating alright. Very rough looking in places.

ei.sdraob wrote: »

please no Goauld or Ori

or some other ridiculously retarded alien species

that are just not evil enough

I often found the aliens we only saw once or rarely in SG1 to be the most interesting. The Reetou, The Gamekeeper, The Virus Orb & The Nox to name a few.

ei.sdraob wrote: »

actually id be happy if they explore the ship more and explore the characters


Once again Rush did a great job at casting, actually they all did

loving this so far

Finding some ancient tech on the ship would satisfy me too. Just don't want too many slow eps in a row.

hightower1

ei.sdraob wrote: »

anyone else notice that Destinie's:

starboard wing is all damaged? there were bulkheads sticking out along the front edge of the wing

I dont think thats damage, if you watch the access all areas special there is a short snip of an upcoming episode where they access the weapons systems...their cannons. The bristle from both port and starboard "wings" along the curvature of them. Also in last weeks episode there is an exterior fly by shot where you see the rows of cannons, they dont look all neatly arranged so it does look a bit like damage.

Richard Dower

Best episode yet!....love the mood, pacing and character development. It's different to other Stargate...which i like. Cinematography reminds me alot of BSG. I like they are in trouble and have to figure how to survive. The ship recharging was ace, but we kinda figured that out last week.

Lt. Boobs....not much footage this week :-(
Eli....twat, in what universe does he think he could get a hottie like that?, he's a fat b*stbard that needs fired out the airlock. it has been rather slow the previous 3 weeks, and i wasn't sure about the show....but that was great!

I want this quality ep. to continue.

sutty

Great ep over all. I liked getting to know more about Greer. Such as his Kino bit. Its a good plot device. I also liked that they only got to see the Destiny from the out-side now...

Have to agree on the thoughts about Rush. That he didn't know, but rather people think he did and think of him as the bad guy rather than someone out of the loop.

Cant wait to see next weeks ep and watch this one on HD on Tuesday.

I also like that the shuttles are slow moving and seem quite basic. Always hated that the puddle jumpers where so advanced.

I was happy I was right about the Destiny being solar powered. Makes a lot of sense it being a ultra deep space explorer. Now I got to wonder, is the ship at full power? Will this open up new things? Like the shelds running at full power and allowing people into area's they couldn't enter before... like the second shuttle or the large dome area.

I'm thinking it wont be at full power, as then they might be able to dial earth. Which would end the series pretty quickly

hightower1

sutty wrote: »

Now I got to wonder, is the ship at full power? Will this open up new things? Like the shelds running at full power and allowing people into area's they couldn't enter before... like the second shuttle or the large dome area.

We saw in ep01 when they opened the door Eli was reluctant to as they explored the large domed area has a huge hole in it? The sheilds are holding but maybe with more power they could access that, Could be any number of reasons for it, at first i thought it looked like some kind of meeting hall... would be interesting to see.

The second shuttle is the one they used in this ep, the first shuttle has a large section missing and shooter McGavin.... I mean the senator dead in the pilots seat.

ei.sdraob

hightower1 wrote: »

I dont think thats damage, if you watch the access all areas special there is a short snip of an upcoming episode where they access the weapons systems...their cannons. The bristle from both port and starboard "wings" along the curvature of them. Also in last weeks episode there is an exterior fly by shot where you see the rows of cannons, they dont look all neatly arranged so it does look a bit like damage.

hmm good explanation

looked like damage to me but the shot is rather orangy and blurred

Overheal

He didnt know. He maybe thought there was a 0.0001% chance that it would happen. But he didnt know. He's far too excited and relieved when it does happen. And he does go on to explain Destiny as his Life's work. He wasnt honestly in a hurry to save his own skin or live out on some rock. He took his chance at dying with the ship without any real hope that Destiny would charge itself. You can go ahead and look at the scene again.

As for the mess hall I'd say he was more annoyed by the fact that Young was giving away rations they didnt have to spare at his whim. And the fact that Young still didnt trust him (he asked him to when he needed to get the communications back). And Im sure his initial grumpiness was him busy, needing to grab chow and run off to do sciency stuff again before the next big total disaster.

I see no reason why he would let the shuttle fly off with 15 randomly chosen people, an assload of essential supplies plus one of Destiny's only Pilots and her only Medic. To spite Greer? Come off it. He didnt know Greer was going to be on the shuttle. And you saw the raffle. It was shuffled. I also dont think he would have left a shuttle docking to that much chance.

No, Young just doesnt trust Rush and Rush is getting a little grump about being portrayed as a villain when really he is the one working the hardest to save everyone's asses.


And I get it first because Im cool like that.

The Domed area I would have thought was for Hydroponics.

Sherifu

ei.sdraob wrote: »

hmm good explanation

looked like damage to me but the shot is rather orangy and blurred

Very disorganised cannons if that's what they are. Ancients must have been drunk when they were designing her in autocad.

Overheal

And if you're trying to get away with stuff, you're usually much rosier than Rush:

Evolution Pt 2 wrote:

Guide: Go on. Save your friends. I will be fine here. Go.




O'Neill:......
Burke:......



Guide: ...They owe me lots of money.



O'Neill and Burke: Ahhhh...

sioda

Great Ep good development raelly loving this show.

But the soundtrack up there with BSG IMHO stunning

PirateShampoo

Loved this episode, another 5/5 from me.

Not really much to add that hasnt been said, pretty much knew thats how Destiny was gonna refuel my only suprise was it actually entered the sun.

Cant wait for next week.

somuj

A very short lifes work

Overheal

somuj wrote: »

A very short lifes work

more on that mid season.

hightower1

Sherifu wrote: »

Very disorganised cannons if that's what they are. Ancients must have been drunk when they were designing her in autocad.

lol defo but the whole design of the ship is a bit haphazard what with the whole exterior with a scrapheap style design, no clean starfleet style lines or designs there! I am really looking forward to the ep where they use them, you should def track down the access all areas special. If you pay attention there was a LOT of give aways in it.

Quick shots of the cannons in use, mention that here are no aliens in "as we know them" in season one apparently they are all green screen types, shots of the ancient spacesuits that look very very similar to the ones the supposed rouge asgard used in atlantis to kidnap McKay and Jackson. On gateworld they even site that they look very similar and that there is a reason behind it that we find out later on... dam teases.

Purple Gorilla

Best episode so far definitely...so good I'm watching it twice

Snowie

every epesode so far is doom in gloom..

i do like it but..... i guess there taking time to show the people in it i dunno.

but its getting there..

hightower1

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

every epesode so far is doom in gloom..

i do like it but..... i guess there taking time to show the people in it i dunno.

but its getting there..

I suppose a lot of that though is they want to outline how hard it is just to survive here. I mean a victory near the end of sg1 was to get a spankin' new space ship in sgu it seems a victory was just to get the life support working to breathe! I'd imagine as the seasons go on they will get out of the struggle but I cant see that happening anytime before season 2 or 3.

If you look at what people didnt like about the last few seasons of sg1 was it became over loaded with sci - fi elements. For me the main draw f sg1 was it was very grounded, it felt like a military operation visiting sci elements, as the seasons went on the military real world element got less pronounced and the sci fi more so. With Atlantis it took it to new levels and really had lost the military theme for the most part. I dunno what it is but the writers, set designers or concept artists on the team just dont seem to do large swaths of sci fi that well? When they keep it real with authentic military style themes it works great though.

Trying to keep sgu grounded was a nice way to go and I think we wont ever see it get to the stage where sg1 got to with those levels of sci fi. I think they will always keep it grounded in one level or another.

herya

Overheal wrote: »

I see no reason why he would let the shuttle fly off with 15 randomly chosen people, an assload of essential supplies plus one of Destiny's only Pilots and her only Medic.

I was actually wondering about this. Wouldn't it make sense to give the shuttle ALL their supplies and weapons (apart from some minimal amount to last them for the remaining day)? What's the point in letting them burn with the ship, if they all prepare to die?

ei.sdraob

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

every epesode so far is doom in gloom..

its the recession

Overheal

hightower1 wrote: »

lol defo but the whole design of the ship is a bit haphazard what with the whole exterior with a scrapheap style design, no clean starfleet style lines or designs there! I am really looking forward to the ep where they use them, you should def track down the access all areas special. If you pay attention there was a LOT of give aways in it.

Quick shots of the cannons in use, mention that here are no aliens in "as we know them" in season one apparently they are all green screen types, shots of the ancient spacesuits that look very very similar to the ones the supposed rouge asgard used in atlantis to kidnap McKay and Jackson. On gateworld they even site that they look very similar and that there is a reason behind it that we find out later on... dam teases.

Expect suits in the next episode, which deals with an ice planet, which totally fits with the existing clip of the Asgard suits.

alastair_doom

hightower1 wrote: »

I suppose a lot of that though is they want to outline how hard it is just to survive here. I mean a victory near the end of sg1 was to get a spankin' new space ship in sgu it seems a victory was just to get the life support working to breathe! I'd imagine as the seasons go on they will get out of the struggle but I cant see that happening anytime before season 2 or 3.

If you look at what people didnt like about the last few seasons of sg1 was it became over loaded with sci - fi elements. For me the main draw f sg1 was it was very grounded, it felt like a military operation visiting sci elements, as the seasons went on the military real world element got less pronounced and the sci fi more so. With Atlantis it took it to new levels and really had lost the military theme for the most part. I dunno what it is but the writers, set designers or concept artists on the team just dont seem to do large swaths of sci fi that well? When they keep it real with authentic military style themes it works great though.

Trying to keep sgu grounded was a nice way to go and I think we wont ever see it get to the stage where sg1 got to with those levels of sci fi. I think they will always keep it grounded in one level or another.

I agree totally, but i think they've just gone to far with that ethos. I'm enjoying this show, but I'm finding it hard to like the show. Its stargate but they've taken out all the fun and action. I enjoyed it while watching it, but thinking back, again,you could sum up everything that happened in about two sentences.

Too much character and drama, not enough fun and action. Still finding it hard to say its a bad show, but unless the pace pics up, I cant see myself sticking with it for the rest of the season.

Mantel

hightower1 wrote: »

On gateworld they even site that they look very similar and that there is a reason behind it that we find out later on... dam teases.

Destiny looks like Thor's hammer when seen from above. It at least has the same shape so I'll go with the Asgard had a hand in building the ship with the Ancients or even the other way around.

Overheal

alastair_doom wrote: »

Too much character and drama, not enough fun and action. Still finding it hard to say its a bad show, but unless the pace pics up, I cant see myself sticking with it for the rest of the season.

If you want you can look at the episode listing on wikipedia and keep up with gateworld. From what I've gathered,

Theres a big 2 parter finale entitled "Incursion" which you can predict a ton of action for. Which is written by Brad Wright, who also writes a mid season ep entitled something something. So by mid season (at the latest) we should hear something about the Hitchhikers and we should see an all out conflict at some point as well.

Just give it a chance to build up. Id rather it not do what Galactica did which felt like premature ejaculation as far as Action went: Seasons 4 and 5 felt like dried dramatic piss compared to Seasons 1 (Hand of God! Come on!) and 2, and a fair portion of 3.

Nukem

Would have given this Ep full marks bar all the bloody moaning to that Kino - it completely detracts from the main story and seems like filler rubbish IMO. One of the snippets lasted 2.5 minutes and probably will have no relevance on the future or current story lines.

I know some people like the insights, but never really needed it in SG1 or SGA,so I think its better to leave these things unravel in the story line, rather than the side road.

User45701

Mantel wrote: »

Destiny looks like Thor's hammer when seen from above. It at least has the same shape so I'll go with the Asgard had a hand in building the ship with the Ancients or even the other way around.

the destiny is shapped like a few other ships

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/animaniac/xindi-aquatic-cruiser-4views.jpg

ei.sdraob

Nukem wrote: »

I know some people like the insights, but never really needed it in SG1 or SGA,so I think its better to leave these things unravel in the story line, rather than the side road.

it was never needed because the characters for the most part were shallow and some were even arrogant

the best episodes of SG1 were when we learned more about Teal'c and other characters

alastair_doom wrote: »

Too much character and drama, not enough fun and action. Still finding it hard to say its a bad show, but unless the pace pics up, I cant see myself sticking with it for the rest of the season.

unfortunately Stargate descended into retarded fun and the action compromised flying around in unbeatable space ships, thats when they lost viewers en masses and ratings sank

this is alot more believable and interesting. here we have people behaving in tough situation as they should do, not the mckay saves the day moments which were ridiculous at times

/

TheIrishGrover

Oh c'mon, ya really didn't expect the nerd to get the hottie over the jock. Haven't ye EVER seen a movie?

My theory about the whole Rush knowing/not knowing thing was that he didn't know initially but did suspect once he saw Eli's kino flyby. (He did seem to react to something) however there was no point in saying anything until he was sure. Again, I don't think he's the big bad, just a pr!ck.

As for the regular baddies yet to come: I would imagine that they are going to be quite interesting (that is if they are planning on having a regular multi-season baddie) given the more serious nature of the series. I don't think we'll see anything like the guauld or ori (Thank God). I would imagine that the new bad guys are not so much going to be bad as have an opposing agenda to the crew. I think they'll be quite sympathetic on lots of fronts (Again in keeping with the BSG reboot influence)

Of course, that's just my thoughts as I've kept meself intentionally in the dark about this series.

TheIrishGrover

SG1= ST:TNG
SGA= ST:Voyager
SGU=ST: DS9?

Overheal

Yeah, Nobody has made that joke yet.

You might be right, he might have imagined he saw the shields or something/

Gareth-W-A

I personally don't think Rush knew the ship would survive, but just wanted to put a thought i had regarding the possibility he did want to get rid of those 15 people on the shuttle.
Rush was not the person who saved the shuttle. It was Eli's mathboy skills that saved the shuttle. Rush was either unable to do the calculations...or he was intentionally stalling so the shuttle wouldn't make it back.

Thoughts on this?
(feel free to be brutally honest)

PirateShampoo

I don't think Rush couldn't do the calculations, just Eli did them faster.

I think Rush didn't know about the recharge, but i think he has a belief in Destiny. He some how had faith that he was gonna survive which would be a bit a alien emotion for a man of science like himself.

I think he let his guard down when he thought he might die, and he was happy that he was going to. Once the situation was over he realized people where warming to him his guard went back up and he became his arse hole self again.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Thought this was a great episode, but would like to see them start using the Stargate a bit more.

Gareth-W-A

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I don't think Rush couldn't do the calculations, just Eli did them faster.

I think Rush didn't know about the recharge, but i think he has a belief in Destiny. He some how had faith that he was gonna survive which would be a bit a alien emotion for a man of science like himself.

I think he let his guard down when he thought he might die, and he was happy that he was going to. Once the situation was over he realized people where warming to him his guard went back up and he became his arse hole self again.

I completely agree with Rush having absolute faith in Destiny, but you must admit, he hates that he has to share Destiny with some of those people. ESPECIALLY the military. He may think that they have no right to be on the ship because it is his life work. This may be why he(in speculation) wanted rid of those people.

Overheal

Gareth-W-A wrote: »

I personally don't think Rush knew the ship would survive, but just wanted to put a thought i had regarding the possibility he did want to get rid of those 15 people on the shuttle.
Rush was not the person who saved the shuttle. It was Eli's mathboy skills that saved the shuttle. Rush was either unable to do the calculations...or he was intentionally stalling so the shuttle wouldn't make it back.

Thoughts on this?
(feel free to be brutally honest)

You must think Rush is Lord Zedd or something.



I really dont see how anyone could draw the conclusion that Rush is some kind of Sociopath or Megalomaniac.

He was going to do the math himself before Eli insisted he had the math right and they were only going to waste time by re-checking it.

SLIM19198

Rush is a scientist! Not a plotting megalomaniac!

He might have guessed that the ship MAY recharge, but just in case, split the crew anyway!

Why risk everyones life on a theory?

Gareth-W-A

Overheal wrote: »

You must think Rush is Lord Zedd or something.



I really dont see how anyone could draw the conclusion that Rush is some kind of Sociopath or Megalomaniac.

He was going to do the math himself before Eli insisted he had the math right and they were only going to waste time by re-checking it.

But can you honestly say that you think Rush is 'all there' mentally?

His obsession(the Destiny) is affecting his behaviour, and you can't say that his willingness to die onboard the ship by taking his name outta the lottery is healthy.

PirateShampoo

Gareth-W-A wrote: »

But can you honestly say that you think Rush is 'all there' mentally?

His obsession(the Destiny) is affecting his behaviour, and you can't say that his willingness to die onboard the ship by taking his name outta the lottery is healthy.

His willingness to die will be explained in his yet untold back story. If Destiny was distroyed then he had nothing else to live for.

hightower1

i personaly dont belive Rush is that bad, for the most part it just seems like there could have been good or bad reasons for him doing something but he chooses to not explain himself when they suggest it was a bad thing he was up to. When they suggested to him in he canteen at the end of the episode that he knew destiny would be ok but wanted rid of the 15 it just seems more in line with his character that he wouldnt care what they thought or would be bothered to explain himself.

Overheal

Gareth-W-A wrote: »

But can you honestly say that you think Rush is 'all there' mentally?

His obsession(the Destiny) is affecting his behaviour, and you can't say that his willingness to die onboard the ship by taking his name outta the lottery is healthy.

The only time he jeopardized anyone in relation to Destiny was when he abandoned the Dial to Earth to begin dialing Destiny. And even then that was a Grey decision.

• The planet's Plutonium rich core was going critical. They could have very well invited disaster feeding back to the SGC. (SG1 4x15 "Chain Reaction") (Yes I've been rewatching everything recently)
• They could have saved everyone who could reach the Gate on Icarus base
• They would have also lost the only chance they would ever get at Dialing the 9th chevron

So 2 for 3 fair reasons, Dialing the 9th Chevron was the right decision to make, however controversial.

Volvagia

I thought it was ok. Not as good as I was hoping to be honest.

Not once in the episode did I really think that anyone of them wouldn't survive. From the start I felt that destiny would survive, and was a little bit hopefully that those 17 in the shuttle would be gone for, or at least temporarily of the ship.

So far I'm really enjoying the show, but I feel a bit like it's talking up a big dark and gritty show, but at the end of the day its still Stargate, and all the main characters will survive at the end of the day.

Maybe I was just expecting a bit too much from this one, but never once did I think "Oh now, they're all going to die" and that took something away from the ep for me.

There were definitely some positives, Greer was very good, especially when he decked the bald soldier.

Silly Eli fooling himself into thinking he stands a chance. I just hope it doesn't get too love triangle-y.

I know its still early days, and I definitely haven't lost hope, was just expecting a little more this time around.

oh and more Lt. Boobs!

Gareth-W-A

Volvagia wrote: »

So far I'm really enjoying the show, but I feel a bit like it's talking up a big dark and gritty show, but at the end of the day its still Stargate, and all the main characters will survive at the end of the day.

I have to agree with you there!
The only time i ever felt as though things were gonna change in SG was when Daniel died...and they did!...then it went back to normal!
(I don't count Weir leaving SGA because her character was stale and had shown NO development throughout the show.)

Overheal

That kinda thinking will ruin virtually any show for you. Suspending disbelief helps a little.

Gareth-W-A

Overheal wrote: »

That kinda thinking will ruin virtually any show for you. Suspending disbelief helps a little.

You're right there i suppose!

DeVore

I wasnt blown away by this episode, I thought Air was stronger. I predicted the Destiny would collect energy from the sun pretty much immediately (hey, they are completely out of energy and guess what, they are flying towards a big ball of energy!). I must admit its a trick I learnt playing Elite.

As for Rush knowing or not knowing... whats he going to say to the people desperate to get on that shuttle?? "Hey, I know I'm the guy who you all think got you into this mess, and who none of you like or trust, but wait, I have this mad idea, based on nothing, that we're all going to be ok. No need to board the perfectly good escape shuttle and head off to what might be Eden. Nope, trust me and stay here, we'll all be fine. Sure havent I seen you guys right so far?? ehhhh?"

He also suggested the slingshot and orders the pilot to turn immediately and head to the planet. Mathboy doesnt come into it until they need the course calcs worked out. So Rush definitely saved them.

DeV.