Whingeing Racists...

Elliemental · 23-10-2009 6:10pm #1

First of all, Nick Griffin gets totally humiliated on BBC`s Question Time, now he`s lodged a complaint against the BBC about it, an action that can only add to the humiliation.
I`ve just watched the debate on BBC I-Player, and honestly, the man was utterly inept! He sweated and squirmed under public scrutiny, was unable to deflect criticism (like professional Politicians can), and his arguments just didn`t hold water.
And now, the sad bastard`s moaning about it!!

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phasers · 23-10-2009 6:12pm

Stupid white people

mike65 · 23-10-2009 6:13pm

Have to laugh, he wanted to be on, was on and got what he deserved (a little less if anything).

Poor Uncle Tom · 23-10-2009 6:14pm

Nick Griffin = proof that political censorship does not exist.

Elliemental · 23-10-2009 6:15pm

The American lady was very good, (i`ve forgotten her name though). Seemed much more aware of British history, and the origins of the British people than Griffin did!

Gordon · 23-10-2009 6:15pm

"I want to do it again, I don't think I did the first one very well."

Kiera · 23-10-2009 6:16pm

Aw god love the poor sausage :rolleyes:

Latchy · 23-10-2009 6:19pm

Guy reminds me a bit of a sunday leauge football manager that's never won anything and who's then put in charge of a 4th division football side .....totally out of his depth .:pac:

dsmythy · 23-10-2009 6:27pm

How many BNP threads do we need? We're not even British for fricks sake.

fryup · 23-10-2009 6:28pm

i don't like him but, but this could work in his favour with public sympathy and all that, he was afterall set up for a fall esp seeing that 99% of those in the studio were against him.

Bandit12 · 23-10-2009 6:29pm

The BBC set him up big time. Low brow TV for the masses

WindSock · 23-10-2009 6:30pm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Nick Griffin = proof that political censorship does not exist.

Nick Griffin = Proof of the perils of voter apathy.

Latchy · 23-10-2009 6:37pm

WindSock wrote: »

Nick Griffin = Proof of the perils of voter apathy.

Indeed , disgruntled fromer Labour voters

Elliemental · 23-10-2009 6:38pm

Bandit12 wrote: »

The BBC set him up big time. Low brow TV for the masses

He wasn`t set up, he just couldn`t handle the situation. He showed himself for what he really is, and now he knows the country, on the whole,despise him.
The grilling that Griffin got was no worse than when the likes of Blair, Brown and Cameron go on there. The difference was in how they handle it.

My name is URL · 23-10-2009 6:41pm

Bandit12 wrote: »

The BBC set him up big time. Low brow TV for the masses

I'd agree that it was all very childish and not a typical show, but it's not as if he didn't know what to expect, and if he really didn't expect it then he's an even bigger idiot than he appears to be

Riddle101 · 23-10-2009 6:48pm

The show was a load of crap. Instead of talking about about politics, it seemed like an all out attack on Nick Griffin. Now i'm not defending a scumbag like him, but the politicians on the panel should be ashamed of themselves for not trying to discuss BNP's policies more. But it looked like the politicans were just riding the coattails of the audience.

Still though it was good to see Nick "Publicity" Griffin sweaten in his skin. He really had no comeback to the guy that that said "would you kick me out of Britain"

Bandit12 · 23-10-2009 6:52pm

My name is URL wrote: »

I'd agree that it was all very childish and not a typical show, but it's not as if he didn't know what to expect, and if he really didn't expect it then he's an even bigger idiot than he appears to be

The man's a huge idiot no doubt but the way the BBC set up the whole show to be "anti BNP" (for lack of a better phrase) was typical of how far the standards of that particular channel have fallen.

Nebit · 23-10-2009 8:16pm

your forgetting that this is a big cock up on Labours part (and conservatives tbh) the fact that a fascist group is getting support is outrageous! to put it lightly. They are simply trying to make them look worse and alliterate their stupidity and childish veiws to the public so that when the election takes place they won't get a seat.
if they do they could be concequences diplomatic mainly

orourkeda · 23-10-2009 8:18pm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Nick Griffin = proof that political censorship does not exist.

You wanna bet?

orourkeda · 23-10-2009 8:19pm

Nebit wrote: »

your forgetting that this is a big cock up on Labours part (and conservatives tbh) the fact that a fascist group is getting support is outrageous! to put it lightly. They are simply trying to make them look worse and alliterate their stupidity and childish veiws to the public so that when the election takes place they won't get a seat.
if they do they could be concequences diplomatic mainly

Outrageous? Do explain.

Next you'll be trying to argue that nobody is racist. They're entitled to their views whether you like them or not

sherdydan · 23-10-2009 8:25pm

why dont we have an INP?

orourkeda · 23-10-2009 8:28pm

sherdydan wrote: »

why dont we have an INP?

It's only a matter of time.

sherdydan · 23-10-2009 8:32pm

i thaught as much!

gotta say, while the BNP are much to extreme, i feel we in this country need to do more to protect our national identity and such. I think we should allow the free movement of europeans, but we should start cutting down on our refugee intake and such, as i know many people will take this as a racist comment, but im sorry but most refugees arent really. theyre just looking for an easy ride.im not saying we shouldnt let in people from outside the EU, just that we should only alllow those who apply to come in by proper means.

Nebit · 23-10-2009 8:41pm

orourkeda wrote: »

Outrageous? Do explain.

Next you'll be trying to argue that nobody is racist. They're entitled to their views whether you like them or not

its outrageous in the sense that his views are based on cero logic, he is led by the view that we are the 'indigenous people of britain', 'that ethnic cleansing is occurring' people in britain are mixing with people who dont have a purley british background, sound familiar?? its the same thing that happened in germany to a much lesser extent mind you.

country goes bankrupt - people become annoyed with those who keep jobs (jews) - country becomes racist - country votes in a facist.

ok yes that is extreame but you can see why its a problem, considering britain 'treats ppl as equals'

i am in no way saying that nobody is racist! but i do think people need a bit of cop on
its easy to accuse a minority and thats what they're doing.

MikeC101 · 23-10-2009 8:43pm

sherdydan wrote: »

why dont we have an INP?

We have had variations on them, all the way back to the 30s.

More recent versions include Justin Barrett and the Immigration Control Platform, maybe the National Party back in the 90s, and though not strictly parties, Cóir/Youth Defense might yet make a go of getting someone elected to a council in some backwater in the wesht.

They don't seem to do very well here. I'd like to think it's because we're very open minded and tolerant, I'd imagine it's more due to the fact that we haven't really experienced much in the way of immigration until relatively recently, and economically we've been doing well for most of that time.

Edit: In retrospect, it might be a bit unfair to include the National Party.

An Fear Aniar · 23-10-2009 9:12pm

sherdydan wrote: »

i thaught as much!

gotta say, while the BNP are much to extreme, i feel we in this country need to do more to protect our national identity and such. I think we should allow the free movement of europeans, but we should start cutting down on our refugee intake and such, as i know many people will take this as a racist comment, but im sorry but most refugees arent really. theyre just looking for an easy ride.im not saying we shouldnt let in people from outside the EU, just that we should only alllow those who apply to come in by proper means.

That's exactly what you would be called by the media establishment in the UK, which is why none of the major parties there will address the immigration issue and so, people turn to the BNP instead:

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Nebit · 23-10-2009 9:24pm

Britain have the obligation to allow asylum seekers into the country especially those from Iraq and Afghanistan since they are over seeing their country.
not only that but due to its colonial past it has a responsibility to allow people from these countries into Britain for example Pakistanis because the majority have connections etc.

An Fear Aniar · 23-10-2009 9:59pm

Nebit wrote: »

Britain have the obligation to allow asylum seekers into the country especially those from Iraq and Afghanistan since they are over seeing their country.
not only that but due to its colonial past it has a responsibility to allow people from these countries into Britain for example Pakistanis because the majority have connections etc.

Not many voted in that these day, especially in Yorkshire!

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ascanbe · 23-10-2009 10:07pm

orourkeda wrote: »

It's only a matter of time.

Oooh, portentous.
I fear you may be right, though I doubt you share my fears; you seem to relish the thought.
We are a nation who have known the neccesity of migration; hopefully we survive the grave economic peril we have placed ourselves in and keep that in mind when dealing with those migrants in our own country.

KaiserMc · 23-10-2009 10:08pm

Elliemental wrote: »

The American lady was very good, (i`ve forgotten her name though). Seemed much more aware of British history, and the origins of the British people than Griffin did!

I felt the American woman came across as condescending,as for her being aware of the origins of the British people , mentioning the ice age and Neanderthals hardly makes her an expert on the subject.Nick Griffin did not get a chance to reply as the 'host' interrupted 'saying 'if we go back to the ice age , we'll be here all night'.
The other woman stated that her father and thousands of his countrymen and thousands of Africans fought during WW2 against fascism ,this is a lie, the Africans were drafted into a war that had nothing to do with them and most hadn't a clue what they were fighting for and nor did they care.

Iwasfrozen · 23-10-2009 10:14pm

phasers wrote: »

Stupid white people

Replace the word white with black and above user would be banned by now.

Nebit · 23-10-2009 10:16pm

KaiserMc wrote: »

I felt the American woman came across as condescending,as for her being aware of the origins of the British people , mentioning the ice age and Neanderthals hardly makes her an expert on the subject.Nick Griffin did not get a chance to reply as the 'host' interrupted 'saying 'if we go back to the ice age , we'll be here all night'.
The other woman stated that her father and thousands of his countrymen and thousands of Africans fought during WW2 against fascism ,this is a lie, the Africans were drafted into a war that had nothing to do with them and most hadn't a clue what they were fighting for and nor did they care.

Bonnie Greer was her name and she does know a little something of the ice age etc whens shes a curator of the british museum.
never the less not all Africans were drafted, some volunteered (like the irish) out of hopes that their country would be given independence.

genericguy · 23-10-2009 10:18pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Replace the word white with black and above user would be banned by now.

you can be as racist as you like as long as the target is a white male.

Iwasfrozen · 23-10-2009 10:19pm

genericguy wrote: »

you can be as racist as you like as long as the target is a white male.

Exactly, even better if said white male is ginger...
Anyway post reported for racism and I hope the mods get to it soon.

Orizio · 23-10-2009 10:22pm

And there was me thinking this thread was about Kilkenny hurling fans...

Nebit · 23-10-2009 10:29pm

genericguy wrote: »

you can be as racist as you like as long as the target is a white male.

we're the majority, therefore more likely to be white, so everyone takes it with a pinch of salt. if someone who said they were black said you white whatevers THEN that would be racist. Don't be dramatic and silly.

nitrogen · 23-10-2009 10:42pm

sherdydan wrote: »

i thaught as much!

gotta say, while the BNP are much to extreme, i feel we in this country need to do more to protect our national identity and such. I think we should allow the free movement of europeans, but we should start cutting down on our refugee intake and such, as i know many people will take this as a racist comment, but im sorry but most refugees arent really. theyre just looking for an easy ride.im not saying we shouldnt let in people from outside the EU, just that we should only alllow those who apply to come in by proper means.

You clearly need to travel more, educate yourself more and read; everything from history of human migration, space exploration to science fiction. Science fiction, that's it, if more people read that, they wouldn't be so narrow minded and nationalistic.

nitrogen · 23-10-2009 10:45pm

Elliemental wrote: »

He wasn`t set up, he just couldn`t handle the situation. He showed himself for what he really is, and now he knows the country, on the whole,despise him.

I hope you're right, but after reading the most recommended comments on the bbc message boards, I feel a lot people there need a slap and a lesson on the rise of the Nazi party during the 30s.

ascanbe · 23-10-2009 10:47pm

KaiserMc wrote: »

I felt the American woman came across as condescending,as for her being aware of the origins of the British people , mentioning the ice age and Neanderthals hardly makes her an expert on the subject.Nick Griffin did not get a chance to reply as the 'host' interrupted 'saying 'if we go back to the ice age , we'll be here all night'.
The other woman stated that her father and thousands of his countrymen and thousands of Africans fought during WW2 against fascism ,this is a lie, the Africans were drafted into a war that had nothing to do with them and most hadn't a clue what they were fighting for and nor did they care.

It's a lie?
Why, even if i knew nothing about it, I could tell from your post that many africans and african-americans did fight in WW2.
Presumably you have interviewed all those still alive who fought and the relatives of all those killed in order to know that none of them knew or cared what they were fighting for.
And you then contrasted this with all the brave Irish and British boys who sallied forth into the breach, having first completed phd's on the perils of fascism, choosing to foresake lucrative careers in other areas.
Yeah, those africans who died in the WW2; how dare they presume they had some stake in the whole affair.

Namlub · 23-10-2009 10:49pm

KaiserMc wrote: »

I felt the American woman came across as condescending,as for her being aware of the origins of the British people , mentioning the ice age and Neanderthals hardly makes her an expert on the subject.Nick Griffin did not get a chance to reply as the 'host' interrupted 'saying 'if we go back to the ice age , we'll be here all night'.
The other woman stated that her father and thousands of his countrymen and thousands of Africans fought during WW2 against fascism ,this is a lie, the Africans were drafted into a war that had nothing to do with them and most hadn't a clue what they were fighting for and nor did they care.

How was it a lie? Are you trying to say that therer WERE thousands of Africans fighting in WW2, they just didn't believe or know about the cause?
*Edit* ascanbe beat me to it

ascanbe · 23-10-2009 10:57pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Replace the word white with black and above user would be banned by now.

Well, that person would be be banned were it not for the fact that the moderators realise that he/she was being sarcastic.

Iwasfrozen · 23-10-2009 10:59pm

ascanbe wrote: »

Well, that person would be be banned were it not for the fact that the moderators realise that he/she were being sarcastic.

Was (s)he ? You seem very sure of that.

Nebit · 23-10-2009 11:02pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Was (s)he ? You seem very sure of that.

as i said to a previous person

we're the majority, therefore more likely to be white, so everyone takes it with a pinch of salt. IF they were black THEN it could be perceived racist.
Also its obviously sarcastic. don't be a drama queen.

Iwasfrozen · 23-10-2009 11:04pm

Nebit wrote: »

as i said to a previous person

we're the majority, therefore more likely to be white, so everyone takes it with a pinch of salt. IF they were black THEN it could be perceived racist.
Also its obviously sarcastic. don't be a drama queen.

So if I were to go to an african country and mock them then it would not be racist as I am a minority ?
Do not be silly, racism is racism no matter who spouts it.

ascanbe · 23-10-2009 11:05pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Was (s)he ? You seem very sure of that.

I'm pretty sure. Been here before and have seen that phasers is quite the jokester.
If i'm wrong I will gladly eat whatever humble pie is sent my way.

Nebit · 23-10-2009 11:09pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

So if I were to go to an african country and mock them then it would not be racist as I am a minority ?
Do not be silly, racism is racism no matter who spouts it.

your twisting my words, i was saying there is noway to tell if the person is black and this is a predominant white country therefore the poster was likely to be white.
thus sarcastic.

ascanbe · 23-10-2009 11:11pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

So if I were to go to an african country and mock them then it would not be racist as I am a minority ?
Do not be silly, racism is racism no matter who spouts it.

What I'm getting from what Nebit wrote was that s/he presumed that phasers was white and took it with a pinch of salt/realised that it was sarcastic.
Of course racism is racism no matter who spouts it.
If you went to an african country and mocked them you may or may not be racist; you'd certainly be an idiot.
Same applies for anyone who came here from an African country and did same.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 23-10-2009 11:13pm

phasers wrote: »

Stupid white people

Stop being such a racist.

There we go everyone. Now drop it.

ascanbe · 23-10-2009 11:20pm

Just a simple missunderstanding, frozen.
We all live to fight another day

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4zn76tysfajdxp · 23-10-2009 11:21pm

Off-topic posts deleted. Get back on topic please.

beans · 24-10-2009 12:32am

Have people mentioned the fact that every mention of Nick Griffin in the media will ultimately help his cause? That even though he's being shown up as a stammering half-wit, when some BNP lackey comes to the door and mentions him to Mr and Mrs Caucasian living in Bromley, that they'll immediately say "oooh I've heard of him love, what have you got to say? Really? Oh I wouldn't want that, maybe I will vote for them so"?

No such thing as bad publicity for politicians in this farcical democracy of ours. Or something, I can't concentrate with that damn whitey bitch screaming out for her cat!

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